If Lilith is alive then that’s good since I got sad at rolands death since he was the character I chose in Borderlands 1 and they better not kill Mordecai or Brick because Mordecai is cool af and Brick is also cool af and funny
I’m so intrigued with the whole Siren philosophy. So if there’s anyway you can just dedicate a whole video to everything Siren that would be appreciated.
Originally the comics and the games were separate entities with different lore, but Borderlands 3 connected both continuities and gave it's own spin on a lot of things.
We need The History of Elpis. Every game it appears in it looks different. In BL1 it’s just a normal moon, in BL2 it has cracks and has Helios orbiting it, in BL: TPS you’re on it, and in BL3 it almost hits Pandora. Presumably if he have a BL4 it will have the firehawk symbol on it for most of the game too
hello! i'm a brazilian fan of your channel and i'm loving know more about the history of borderlands and the characters of the game. the bad point (also is a good point) is my english isn't very good, but with the automatic subtitles i understand your videos and it's some train for my language thank you for being dedicated in bring the history for us btw i'm waiting more videos about borderlands 3, i can't play it on my pc so i'm just watch other people playing, but it's funny anyway thank you again and keep up the good work
"Our story begins with Hyperion engineer [Insert name here from the Pre-Sequel] who created the ultimate sin man has ever wrought unto the universe: by inventing the CL4P-TP steward bot. ... then in the Pre-Sequel, the player inadvertently causes the Claptrap's worst trait to manifest by destroying his internal music collection leaving only the desolate rhythmic wasteland, technically-a-noise-I-guess music that is Dubstep. You just had to do all the side quests, didn't you?"
It is most likely due to the fact that Angel chose Tannis,the same way Maya chose everybody's favourite character to inherit her powers after her death.
@@thememeilator2633 I agree, tannis is a hugely important character, arguably the main protagonist of the original storyline. She deserved it more than the trashcan kid
She is a symbol of the NWO, the phoenix rising from the ashes. All these games have the same damn symbolism, more often than not. I still love these games though.
So, wait, Lilith got her powers after being born and by the looks of it being around 12 and then Tannis get's her powers sometime after Angel dies. So why the hell did they make Lilith go "WHAAAT?" after Maya told Lilith that Ava was going to be a Siren one day... GODS we need the original Borderlands 2 writers to comeback and redo the main story of the base game and fix shit like that.
How long does it take to make a video like this? Researching, editing, n capturing all the footage? It'll help me doing something similar with the type of video I wanna make
Just imagine that if not for Liliths betrayal on jack (which I thought was a bitch move) we could have never got the masterpiece that is borderlands 2, but the events of bl2 were kind of her fault and Jack was actually a good guy before liliths fuckery at the end of the pre sequel
From Reddit : These days I find it’s become very popular to make out Lilith to be some kind of dreadful person, and I always thought the amount of heat she gets to be absurd. So allow me to boldly go against the circlejerk. Facts about Lilith that need to be known: -Lilith does not take credit for the events of BL2. She has literally 0 dialogue where she claims to have done something she didn’t. She is credited by Ava for killing Jack, which is an option you can actually take in BL2. Just killing him. No credit was ever taken for single handedly stopping him or The Warrior. Merely ending his life. There is no glory stealing here, Gearbox merely chose to make letting Lilith kill Jack be canon. -Lilith was not useless in BL2. She waged a war single handedly on the bandit clans for Roland’s benefit and was the reason Sanctuary did not just get overrun by them. She saved Sanctuary from Jack after Angel betrayed you and therefore the reason the Raiders weren’t just wiped out right then. Her interference on the attack on Angel’s AI Core is what enabled you to be able to shut her down. Lilith getting getting captured is not what led to The Warrior awakening, Jack would have just continued to use Angel to charge the key and awaken The Warrior under much more favourable circumstances. And when she had the collar around her neck and ordered to kill you, she mustered the strength to teleport you to safety instead. -Lilith did not single-handedly create Handsome Jack. It is made clear that Jack was already a morally flawed person even before TPS, having burned down orphanages, shot people for looking at Moxxi, blackmailed his way to his position and most of all having enslaved his own daughter for his own gain. The crossing of him in that game was not Lilith’s plan, it was Moxxi’s. Lilith was no more guilty in that plot than Roland was, who somehow always gets a free pass in the blame for this situation. And ultimately, it was not unreasonable that Moxxi, Roland and Lilith would not want this megalomaniac pointing a discount Death Star laser at their home. -Lilith trying to have Athena killed does not make her a villain or a terrible person. It was a moment of anger that she would apologise for. She acknowledged her mistake. People make mistakes. And since then, she has carried a much more tame and level-headed personality. This one moment of weakness as a leader should not be what defines her morality, especially when we know Lilith never wanted to be Commander in the first place. -Lilith standing her ground against The Calypsos was reasonable. Lilith is the Commander of the Crimson Raiders and has a reputation as The Firehawk. She was not going to leave her people and their ship at the mercy of the COV by fleeing to preserve herself. -Lilith HAS saved Pandora. She, along with the others, stopped The Destroyer in BL1. She helped stop Zarpedon in TPS who was going to destroy both Elpis and most of Pandora. She stopped The Destroyer from emerging in BL3 and gave her life to keep it sealed. It is dishonest to say that she has never done such heroics. Is Lilith a bit of a dumbass? Yes. Is she a great leader? No. No one else would take Roland’s place, and Lilith herself didn’t want to be Commander either. Lilith only took it because no one else would, and her inexperience as being a Commander is as a result of her having to step up when no one else would despite her lack of experience. People need to stop pretending that Lilith is a terrible person. She isn’t. Lilith is a decent person, who means well. She came to Pandora as a loner, and found friends and love on Pandora. Her putting faith in Moxxi over Jack in TPS was understandable. Her reasons to have strong feelings for the likes of Roland to drive her to ignore his wishes when it came to Angel was not due to being an asshole, but because she didn’t want to trust his life on the words of Angel who had lied and betrayed them before. Her moment of anger to kill Athena was due to the pain of lost friends and using her as a scapegoat. Again, something she apologised for once she cooled down. She is flawed, and that is completely fine. She admits that she can be a bitch. If she wasn’t flawed, someone as significant as her would no doubt be getting hate for being a Mary Sue as I’d come to expect of reception to female characters nowadays. Lilith is a fine character. And the circlejerk hate for her is getting batshit insane.
l love lilith and maya! They're both great but l hate how other hate lilith due to her act in the stories. Don't blame the character...gotaa blame the poor ass story telling.
It’s funny how Lilith is “so against killing people who surrender” and “is so against jack’s willingness to kill people who may betray him” in the pre sequel, yet she proceeds to try to do the exact same thing to athena. It’s almost like Lilith is just as power hungry as Jack
Since I started playing BL3 I have really got hooked even more on Borderlands and mainly the storylines of the epic characters within the Borderverse. I played 2 a fair bit, and also the Pre Sequel. I had the handsome collection if I remember in a sale on steam and I loved them both. I also played the telltale one Tales from the Borderlands, but 3 has really gripped me. I seem to really enjoy the lore and backstories behind everything. I really want to go back to where it all started and play the first one, just for the story line stuff I haven't seen yet. I'd love to do a lockdown-weekend-marathon-stream where I go through all of them. Is the first one available on Xbox One these days? Anyway thanks for these storylines they are amazing and I crave more. - rip scooter. see you in the big ol' catch-a-ride in the sky some day x
I feel like their will be a good chance for a bl4 Because The watcher said a war was coming, and Tyreen and Troy were nothing So I feel bl4 should be that "war" the Watcher was talking about
Mistake that Lilith made? Jack had an evil plan all along. Since Lilith's a protagonist, of course she won't side with an egomaniac, a barbarian that is Jack. The scariest thing about him was that he believed in his own vision. It's not a bad thing for them not to help him to become a vindictive ruler. Lilith has saved more people than she has killed. Same couldn't be said about Jack. Having to consider all of this, it won't make her a hero, but instead an anti-hero.
she might as well have been the ONLY siren seen in the series seeing how literally no character mentions or even pays notice to the fact that maya and mara exist.. Even when you choose to play as them,and they're standing right in front of all the other characters flipping their shit about Lilith being a siren...
Well duh.. Lilith is the main protagonist in the Borderlands series. I do agree though that Maya should've been focused on a lot more frequently. The devs said that from the beginning they knew that Maya will die. If she had to, it could've been done differently. When it comes to Amara, not a lot is known about her. In my opinion, she didn't get big enough introduction. 🤔
You should update the ending not long ago twitter/X Randy Pitchford confirmed that Lilith was alive and had phasewalked the moon elsewhere so Elpis is no longer orbiting Pandora marked with firehawk symbol which is what I thought happened its just gone to where ever Lilith teleported it to
I believe Jack was just sent into madness because the people of pandora (or at least it’s moon) had gotten to him and that’s why in the second game all he wants is revenge for his sanity.
You kind of left out the part where Lillith was raised by monks; they probably took her after her dad's death, but they did raise her and teach her how to use her powers.
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Everyone's like "Lilith is the most powerful siren!" forgetting about the actually strongest and prettiest siren of all.
*Brick*
The best siren
Buetiful
brick isn't a siren
he's the prettiest, most beautiful siren.
Someone who exists someone hasn’t played BnB. He is the prettiest siren.
linkofdoom24 what fuk is BNB
The only thing I know about Lilith is that the lava is rising and I have to get the high ground!
*PTSD triggers*
☠️
I didn't worry about that I cheesed the boss
Final boss was a piece of cake lol
And you have to talk to her
Lilith was the first character I completed the game as.
Godspeed Firehawk. Wherever you are...
Same
I beat it as Roland. R.i.p Roland.
I beat it as Mordecai. R.I.P bloodwing
I beat it as Brick R.I.P. his dog.
I know somone already said this but mine to
“I SUFFERED for my geekiness, you don’t get to invade my culture just because it’s “cool” right now!”
I both lol at that yet understand completely
Can you please make, "The History of 'Reporting to Lilith on the bridge'" 😂😂
Longest video in youtube history.
Little did Lilith know that punch on jack screwed everyone she knew
I honestly would like to see a history of Scooter, if that's okay.
We all would
That is good idea yes
Catch a ride!
Moxxi got foxxi then we get the scoot scoot.
He’s apart of moxxi story.
History of brick. I wanna know what the story behind all his dogs are
Yes birck the prettiest siren
Jack's cowboy girlfriend killed Bricks dog
DungaIpod he’s had 3 dogs. Ik hyperion killed another. Still want the history of brick though
7:30 I never realized Hyperion still thought Lilith was dead, and discovered her alive while phasing Sanctuary
Last time I was this early, the Jedi order was still a thing
If Lilith is alive then that’s good since I got sad at rolands death since he was the character I chose in Borderlands 1 and they better not kill Mordecai or Brick because Mordecai is cool af and Brick is also cool af and funny
Brick will become the prettiest Siren
I hope we don't lose Brick and Mordecai. They're Tina's parents now and we stan them
History of Zane and the Flynts
I’m so intrigued with the whole Siren philosophy. So if there’s anyway you can just dedicate a whole video to everything Siren that would be appreciated.
Please do Angel! She’s one of my favorites!
I tried speed runing borderlands 2 and when I reached the warrior I was super under leveled being a level 27 axton fighting a level 36 warrior
1:47 THE WARRIOR WHOAAAAAAW SOOOOOO COOL I NEVER KNEW IT WAS ABOUT THE WARRIOR!!11
Yes! Love this series! Absolutely cried at your video on Maya. The feels!! Keep it up!
I'd like to see a history of Tanis
Thank you for continuing this series
Originally the comics and the games were separate entities with different lore, but Borderlands 3 connected both continuities and gave it's own spin on a lot of things.
"So I kinda started a cult..."
-Lilith- -The Firehawk
Want to know the history of Lilith?
Talk to Lilith
Talk to Lilith
Talk to Lilith
Talk to Lilith
Talk to Lilith
We need The History of Elpis. Every game it appears in it looks different. In BL1 it’s just a normal moon, in BL2 it has cracks and has Helios orbiting it, in BL: TPS you’re on it, and in BL3 it almost hits Pandora. Presumably if he have a BL4 it will have the firehawk symbol on it for most of the game too
Some were wondering how is Lilith so powerful at the end of 3 and I was thinking its the power of the destroyer and Tyreen charge up Lilith's powers
hello! i'm a brazilian fan of your channel and i'm loving know more about the history of borderlands and the characters of the game. the bad point (also is a good point) is my english isn't very good, but with the automatic subtitles i understand your videos and it's some train for my language
thank you for being dedicated in bring the history for us
btw i'm waiting more videos about borderlands 3, i can't play it on my pc so i'm just watch other people playing, but it's funny anyway
thank you again and keep up the good work
I’d love to see the history of Athena
Now that I think of it, is it possible that all sirens are evil in some way? You know, Steele, the twins, even Lilith had her moments
History of clap trap 😂
Wow so many likes and comments
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Our favorite CL4P-TP unit
"Our story begins with Hyperion engineer [Insert name here from the Pre-Sequel] who created the ultimate sin man has ever wrought unto the universe: by inventing the CL4P-TP steward bot. ... then in the Pre-Sequel, the player inadvertently causes the Claptrap's worst trait to manifest by destroying his internal music collection leaving only the desolate rhythmic wasteland, technically-a-noise-I-guess music that is Dubstep. You just had to do all the side quests, didn't you?"
Shut up gacha
@@Hringhorni1 bit harsh dont u think :(
Plz do a history of claptrap bots, mostly the one that’s with the vault hunters
Tannis becomes a siren after Angel's death. How convinient
Yeah. Borderlands 3's story and Siren lore has become so FUBARed. I hold no hope that BL4 will be any good.
It is most likely due to the fact that Angel chose Tannis,the same way Maya chose everybody's favourite character to inherit her powers after her death.
What do you mean? They didn't mess up siren lore. And i actually liked the story honestly
@@thememeilator2633 I agree, tannis is a hugely important character, arguably the main protagonist of the original storyline. She deserved it more than the trashcan kid
@@pityko9662 I know right? Ava THE strongest Siren Ever!
I love your Borderlands videos
History of the one, the only ... Crazy Earl.
Love these.
The history of Handsome Jack would be amazing!!!
I love you man you do great videos keep it up
dude, what about a history of Jack? if that's cool?
Hey nice vid- OH CRAP THE LAVA IS RISING, GOTTA GET TO *HIGH GROUND*
Is it weird that every time I hear Lilith I keep expecting to hear her say “I’m gonna be king of the Pirates”
*Talk to EruptionFang about lilith
[ ] Talk to lilith
Admit it... We all simp for Lilith!
nah i simp for maya
i honestly think that old coot that lilith met might be nyriad
Or something idk probably another siren finding lilith and gave her power before dying
Thumbnail: *Clearly says History of Lilith*
My Brain: HISTORY OF UUTH
Great Content keep it up!
I would love for a history of Mordecai
This series is cool !
TALK TO LILITH
TALK TO LILITH
TALK TO LILITH
TALK TO LILITH
TALK TO LILITH
She is a symbol of the NWO, the phoenix rising from the ashes. All these games have the same damn symbolism, more often than not. I still love these games though.
Nice stuff, man!
Going through the whole list piecemeal 👌
However, I don't see a video for Claptrap's history; will there be one?
Jack and angel dont know about the warrior yet because they learn about it in the pre sequel which takes place after borderlands 1
Unpopular thought, I believe Lilith is INSIDE Elpis.
Very cool. Thank you.
history of Krieg would be awesome
Crazy how Bl3 lilith was still basically the fight for sanctuary lilith still
Cate Blanchet is going to play her
The history of Athena
1:27 all I know is that’s the micheal bay bomb proof bus
I stand in the 'missing' camp...
So, wait, Lilith got her powers after being born and by the looks of it being around 12 and then Tannis get's her powers sometime after Angel dies. So why the hell did they make Lilith go "WHAAAT?" after Maya told Lilith that Ava was going to be a Siren one day... GODS we need the original Borderlands 2 writers to comeback and redo the main story of the base game and fix shit like that.
Hey calm down
I think her "whaaaat" was about Maya knowing beforehand that Ava would become a Siren
@@shanedixon5845 But since Angel has chosen Tannis as her successor why would Lilith be shocked when Maya has chosen Ava as her successor?
Honestly interesting content
The lore is rising
She even knows the "beach episode" from animes
do the history of steve (heyo!)
Let's start a HEYOOOOOO chain
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I don’t get Jack’s motivation to manipulate the Vault Hunters with Angel before the Pre-Sequel. Maybe I’m missing something
Can u do a history of Janey Springs Or Athena?
Talk to Lilith
time to talk to lilith
Aboard sanctuary 3 on the opposite end of the ship
Hey killer
How long does it take to make a video like this? Researching, editing, n capturing all the footage? It'll help me doing something similar with the type of video I wanna make
It’s simple she’s out exploring the stars
Just imagine that if not for Liliths betrayal on jack (which I thought was a bitch move) we could have never got the masterpiece that is borderlands 2, but the events of bl2 were kind of her fault and Jack was actually a good guy before liliths fuckery at the end of the pre sequel
I just realised how long lilith's neck is
i wonder what happen with the people in elpis when lilith phasewalk into them
She saved both Elpis and Pandora from colliding onto each other. I guess we'll have to wait until Borderlands 4 comes to learn more about this.
The history of *DRUM ROLL*
CLAPTRAP!
History of handsome jack and zane please 🥺🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
We just gonna glaze over the comments from the Son Of Crawmarex DLC where she straight up makes a reference to anime beach episodes?
May she rise Again like the mighty Phoenix or Firehawk if you prefer
Lillith didn't kill Jack in my game. Maya did. Lol. I didn't wait for the option to let lillith do it
I have a feeling that there will be a Borderlands 4(since the story doesn't seem complete) but who knows when that comes out
[ ] Talk To Lilith, RUclips edition
Lilith like many other vault hunters out there her status is currently M.I.A
I hope Pandora DOES eventually get destroyed. That place sucks.
From Reddit :
These days I find it’s become very popular to make out Lilith to be some kind of dreadful person, and I always thought the amount of heat she gets to be absurd. So allow me to boldly go against the circlejerk. Facts about Lilith that need to be known:
-Lilith does not take credit for the events of BL2. She has literally 0 dialogue where she claims to have done something she didn’t. She is credited by Ava for killing Jack, which is an option you can actually take in BL2. Just killing him. No credit was ever taken for single handedly stopping him or The Warrior. Merely ending his life. There is no glory stealing here, Gearbox merely chose to make letting Lilith kill Jack be canon.
-Lilith was not useless in BL2. She waged a war single handedly on the bandit clans for Roland’s benefit and was the reason Sanctuary did not just get overrun by them. She saved Sanctuary from Jack after Angel betrayed you and therefore the reason the Raiders weren’t just wiped out right then. Her interference on the attack on Angel’s AI Core is what enabled you to be able to shut her down. Lilith getting getting captured is not what led to The Warrior awakening, Jack would have just continued to use Angel to charge the key and awaken The Warrior under much more favourable circumstances. And when she had the collar around her neck and ordered to kill you, she mustered the strength to teleport you to safety instead.
-Lilith did not single-handedly create Handsome Jack. It is made clear that Jack was already a morally flawed person even before TPS, having burned down orphanages, shot people for looking at Moxxi, blackmailed his way to his position and most of all having enslaved his own daughter for his own gain. The crossing of him in that game was not Lilith’s plan, it was Moxxi’s. Lilith was no more guilty in that plot than Roland was, who somehow always gets a free pass in the blame for this situation. And ultimately, it was not unreasonable that Moxxi, Roland and Lilith would not want this megalomaniac pointing a discount Death Star laser at their home.
-Lilith trying to have Athena killed does not make her a villain or a terrible person. It was a moment of anger that she would apologise for. She acknowledged her mistake. People make mistakes. And since then, she has carried a much more tame and level-headed personality. This one moment of weakness as a leader should not be what defines her morality, especially when we know Lilith never wanted to be Commander in the first place.
-Lilith standing her ground against The Calypsos was reasonable. Lilith is the Commander of the Crimson Raiders and has a reputation as The Firehawk. She was not going to leave her people and their ship at the mercy of the COV by fleeing to preserve herself.
-Lilith HAS saved Pandora. She, along with the others, stopped The Destroyer in BL1. She helped stop Zarpedon in TPS who was going to destroy both Elpis and most of Pandora. She stopped The Destroyer from emerging in BL3 and gave her life to keep it sealed. It is dishonest to say that she has never done such heroics.
Is Lilith a bit of a dumbass? Yes. Is she a great leader? No. No one else would take Roland’s place, and Lilith herself didn’t want to be Commander either. Lilith only took it because no one else would, and her inexperience as being a Commander is as a result of her having to step up when no one else would despite her lack of experience.
People need to stop pretending that Lilith is a terrible person. She isn’t. Lilith is a decent person, who means well. She came to Pandora as a loner, and found friends and love on Pandora. Her putting faith in Moxxi over Jack in TPS was understandable. Her reasons to have strong feelings for the likes of Roland to drive her to ignore his wishes when it came to Angel was not due to being an asshole, but because she didn’t want to trust his life on the words of Angel who had lied and betrayed them before. Her moment of anger to kill Athena was due to the pain of lost friends and using her as a scapegoat. Again, something she apologised for once she cooled down.
She is flawed, and that is completely fine. She admits that she can be a bitch. If she wasn’t flawed, someone as significant as her would no doubt be getting hate for being a Mary Sue as I’d come to expect of reception to female characters nowadays.
Lilith is a fine character. And the circlejerk hate for her is getting batshit insane.
l love lilith and maya! They're both great but l hate how other hate lilith due to her act in the stories. Don't blame the character...gotaa blame the poor ass story telling.
histroy of roland
Do the history of Krieg, STRIP THE FLESH! SALT THE WOUND!
Yes
I AM THE CONDUCTER OF THE POOP TRAAAIN
TALK TO LILITH
It’s funny how Lilith is “so against killing people who surrender” and “is so against jack’s willingness to kill people who may betray him” in the pre sequel, yet she proceeds to try to do the exact same thing to athena. It’s almost like Lilith is just as power hungry as Jack
Borderlands 4: Ellie is Siren
Since I started playing BL3 I have really got hooked even more on Borderlands and mainly the storylines of the epic characters within the Borderverse. I played 2 a fair bit, and also the Pre Sequel. I had the handsome collection if I remember in a sale on steam and I loved them both. I also played the telltale one Tales from the Borderlands, but 3 has really gripped me. I seem to really enjoy the lore and backstories behind everything. I really want to go back to where it all started and play the first one, just for the story line stuff I haven't seen yet. I'd love to do a lockdown-weekend-marathon-stream where I go through all of them. Is the first one available on Xbox One these days? Anyway thanks for these storylines they are amazing and I crave more.
- rip scooter. see you in the big ol' catch-a-ride in the sky some day x
Nice to see someone not hating Borderlands 3 for once, respect
@@thememeilator2633 bl3 by no means is a bad game, it just isn’t what people wanted
@@beneath8651 very true, I can understand why people dislike it but I think people go a bit too hard on the game
@@NitraZone yeah, I still think it'll be good just because I don't let hype get to me as much as some people do.
@@thememeilator2633 it was just the trash character development for me, gameplay and loot, builds, customization, movement, 3 destroyed 2 on.
I feel like their will be a good chance for a bl4 Because
The watcher said a war was coming, and Tyreen and Troy were nothing
So I feel bl4 should be that "war" the Watcher was talking about
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I love you and hope your channel grows bigger until you are bigger than pewdiepie
Playing BL:TPS made we realize something we are literally fixing the mistake Lillith makes and thats BL2’s story
Mistake that Lilith made? Jack had an evil plan all along. Since Lilith's a protagonist, of course she won't side with an egomaniac, a barbarian that is Jack. The scariest thing about him was that he believed in his own vision. It's not a bad thing for them not to help him to become a vindictive ruler.
Lilith has saved more people than she has killed. Same couldn't be said about Jack. Having to consider all of this, it won't make her a hero, but instead an anti-hero.
next please do HAMMERLOCKS lore
When's the ruby review coming 👀
You should make one for axton
Firehawk on the moon, athena helps her, new threat blah blah blah Borderland 4
she might as well have been the ONLY siren seen in the series seeing how literally no character mentions or even pays notice to the fact that maya and mara exist.. Even when you choose to play as them,and they're standing right in front of all the other characters flipping their shit about Lilith being a siren...
Well duh.. Lilith is the main protagonist in the Borderlands series. I do agree though that Maya should've been focused on a lot more frequently. The devs said that from the beginning they knew that Maya will die. If she had to, it could've been done differently. When it comes to Amara, not a lot is known about her. In my opinion, she didn't get big enough introduction. 🤔
You should update the ending not long ago twitter/X Randy Pitchford confirmed that Lilith was alive and had phasewalked the moon elsewhere so Elpis is no longer orbiting Pandora marked with firehawk symbol which is what I thought happened its just gone to where ever Lilith teleported it to
Handsome jack could have been redeemed if I'm being honest
I believe Jack was just sent into madness because the people of pandora (or at least it’s moon) had gotten to him and that’s why in the second game all he wants is revenge for his sanity.
@@cindyskullz and the bandit terrorising his family causing his daughter to kill his mother
I’m sorry maybe I missed it somehow but have you done a „history of Hyperion“ yet?
You kind of left out the part where Lillith was raised by monks; they probably took her after her dad's death, but they did raise her and teach her how to use her powers.
Ah you're thinking of Maya not Lilith.