I know federer is the genius, the artist, but reducing rafa to "lots of effort" I think is damaging, because we can forget he's a magician a virtuoso in his own right
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor, of course, there must be an effort but in terms of skill, no one compares to how talented Roger is. Rafa has a talent of course but his game is much more based on physical strength than Federer's.
@@wellyngtonamaral4097 I respect your opinion but completely disagree with it. Roger's game is 50% SERVE, 25%chasing balls like crazy, 25% going for the kill WHILE Nadal is 5% serving, 35% chasing balls like crazy, 60% making the opponent unconformable with angles, spins and strategy. They both hit amazing forehands, amazing backhands, and amazing volleys, so serve aside I don't see too much technical advantage on Federer's part. Mind you NADAL was a pro much younger and have had success much earlier in his career. They are both great. To assume what you assume is trying to diminish the extreme quality, talent, intelligence, strategy, spirit, mental power and maturity NADAL has. Pretty much what FEDERER have but not in the exact quantities. After all, lets face it 26 out of 40 times NADAL was better than Roger. I've seen all those matches and I recall a ton of amazing shots, drop shots, ingenious plays and strategies being deployed by NADAL, not only effort as you put it. And I have see also a ton of effort and physicality from Federer in those matches too.
Velha Guarda Tricolor about the numbers you showed... 1 serve is one of the most important skill to have in modern tennis, 2 “chasing the ball like crazy?” I’ve never seen him running like crazy, even though his footwork is one of the best of the tour (if not the best). Also you can’t even compare their volleys (is more like a weakness on Rafa’s game, Roger use volleys as a powerful weapon), same goes for the drop shots. Rafa has strong baseline balls, his strategy is basically pushing the opponents backwards until he finds a place to hit his winners, I’m not saying that is easy to do. Actually no one does this better than him. You can’t say that a player is better than the other by looking only for their matches one against other, sometimes one player is good against an specific style of playing there are tons of examples of this on tour (Taitsipas is better ranked and always looses matches against Auger)
@@wellyngtonamaral4097 At the end of their careers you can probably make a case for each of the "Big 3". Depending on your favorite you will be biased. Rafa is the greatest fighter ever. Roger plays the most beautiful tennis ever. Djoker is an absolute machine when he's on. Rafa is my favorite so I prefer him...and he's beaten Fed on every surface in a Major 😉
I can’t imagine tennis without these two, never have 2 rivals had so much charisma, class and appeal to the masses...i don’t know if i’ll watch tennis after these 2 leave the scene
Maybe there will be new guys and girls coming through. Look at the 2000-10s, we had so many great players. But in the end, only 3 made it big. Like in football, we can see some potential new faces for the 2020s but in tennis, it's complicated. In the past there were many rivalries with Sampras, Agassi, Bjorg, McEnroe, the Williams, Evert, Navratilova, etc. And we reached the top with Roger and Rafa. Now, let's see what the new kids will bring. But I have to say I'm a big worried, especially for the WTA. I used to want to be a tennis player like them as a kid, they looked so cool, the matches were always entertaining. This match was the most incredible I had ever seen. I was so happy for Rafa. Now, I don't see much creativity and contrast. But let's see in the future.
I love what nadal says in this documentary When their in thir in the fifth set... Tony didn't know what to say to motivate Rafa.. And he himself thought this is finish Federer has a better chance... And then Rafa surprises everyone by saying... "I whont lose this! Federer can win the match, but I whont lose" So fkn powerful.
History was made this day. Watched it all day from start to finish A very long time! The most viewed tennis match in history on nbc. 50 million people watched. So cool when rafa won the trophy. Back then they took the winner and trophy to the balcony where the people on the lawn outside the stadium could see rafa and the trophy. It was packed!! Greatest story of all time!
@@lemae4578 it wasn't shown on abc anymore. I just listened on tune in. A few years ago it was on abc but as soon as the championship was over they cut and put some bs show or advertising on. I only remember Rafa's win on CBS. Plus i remember when they took Djokovic over there too.
hate it how that muppet was talking like nadals just effort and emotion. such a disservice to a guy with as much talent as anybody in history u think he hits them outrageous forehands down the line out of nothing?
Bit harsh to nadal, yes his energy and testosterome was an advantage and he may have not been the artist of federer but he played like a tactician. You dont win wimbledon by just being like a bodybuilder and triathlon athlete.
To me, the most remarcable quality about rafa is not his stamina, but his mind. He’s phisically strong, but he’s strenght of will that makes him a beast.
The guy that said that seemed like a retard, he sees things in black and white, Nadal is one of the most skillful players of all time, his net game is second to none in his generation, funny how they try to downgrade the guys skill and talent .
Of course not. But those are the obvious qualities that he embodies. Especially when you look at his first 7-10 years on tour. He was the strongest, the fastest, the most endurant guy who could generate offense from the most desperate defensive positions. He evolved with time though, seeing him doing serve and volleys now is impressive, his evolution as a player forces a huge respect.
@@medvedevserguei8691 he was only able to run fast because he practiced sprinting, he does run every now and then but his endurance is just from pushing himself.
Impressive, as was the 2012 Australian Open final. The longest Grand Slam final match in history 7 minutes shy of 6 hours. An epic match between Rafa and Nole and I was so fortunate to be there with one of my sons till after 2 am. In the final, Novak Djokovic defeated Rafael Nadal 5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5 to win the tournament. It was the longest Grand Slam final match (by duration) in history, lasting 5 hours 53 minutes, overtaking the record previously set by the 1988 US Open Final between Mats Wilander and Ivan Lend
Only people who dont understand Tennis dare to classify Nadal as just effort, muscle, etc... he has way more vareity of shots than any player in history and he execute more different shots better. He is way more technical than anyone. Im not sure if its ignorance or arrogance. And of course he is the goat and by quite a distance. To me he is the top 1 and then there is a top 2 player behind.
Federer can not beat Nadal at French Open, however Nadal can beat Federer on grass at Wimbledon in the greatest match ever, This gives Nadal the edge as the GOAT
Idk man as the biggest Nadal fan, i think he kinda sucks on hardcourt. But whatever I think Federer and Nadal are the two greatest players of all time.
@Jeremy Mathis Peaks don’t mean shit If Federer was not playing good enough that’s his problem Federer got better as he got older Stats don’t lie Hard to argue Federer is better I hope your okay, please don’t cry when your read these stats Grandslams Nadal - 22 Federer - 20 H2H Nadal - 24 Federer - 16 Olympics Nadal - 1 Federer - 0 Roger Slams Nadal - 2 Federer - 1 H2h (majors) Nadal - 11 Federer - 4 Choking in majors Nadal - 0 Federer - 3 H2H In Federer’ prime Nadal - 8 Federer 4 Wins on different surfaces in majors Hard court Nadal 3/1 Clay Nadal 6/0 Grass Federer 3/1
@@fedtartexterminator2431shut up dumbass Fed hater. Federer has 6 WTF Nadal has zero. Federer is a all court player and Nadal is a clay bully. Nadal vulturd slams so as djokovic post 2018
"In tennis, you have to put the opponent away. You have to always win the last point to get over the finish line." Oh Roger, if only you could predict what would happen to you at Wimbledon 11 years later. 8-7 40-15 never forget.
So true! To this day, it's almost too painful for me to think about. Remember when John McEnroe said, right after Roger broke Novak's serve, the next game on Roger's serve "could be the most important important game of Federer's life"? We were all getting ready for a coronation. Perhaps Roger, too, and he forgot his own best advice.
There's an interview with Gilles Simon (peaked during prime Fedal era) think he explained it best- Federer didn't do anything wrong coming in on that match point- works 98% of the time (exact same play won him Wimbledon 2012 vs Murray) but Djokovic is just that good. He is other-worldly when it comes to intense points under pressure, almost makes him play better most of the time. Not saying he's the absolute Goat, all 3 have a case based on criteria... but for sure the sport will be set back when these 3 are done
I was there on Henman's Hill and I loved ever single point of that long rain delayed match, but The AO 2012 Final was the GOAT hands down. I have a hard time believing it will ever be surpassed in quality, competitiveness, beauty, drama, tension and passion. My man NADAL lost that match but it doesn't matter. It was pure perfection.
What hurt the AO final for me was that the styles were too similar. Two baseline defending machines....amazing court coverage sure & definitely the GOAT for physical prowess shown but there was no contrast, which made it a bit boring for me.
@@sasook I understand and respect what you saying, but I honestly think of that game as the all time pinnacle of the sport, therefore if there was another player on court that day other than Rafa and Nole it would have been 3-0 easy. NADAL and DJOKOVIC were just perfect. Prime Federer himself would have had ZERO change against either that day (Roger lost to Nadal in the Semis btw). Rafa was still a machine and Nole was in GOD mode. That match couldn't have been played any different. But hey. We can agree to disagree. Cheers!
Velha Guarda Tricolor You’re making some really strong claims there. They were perfect *against each other* because they know each other so well. You don’t know how they would have responded to someone else that they’ve played not as often. Stanimal for example, or a fit Delpo. Prime Fed was better than you’re giving him credit for - 30-year old Fed was giving Nole more trouble in 2011-2012 than Nadal was, as a reminder. Prime Fed, logically, is obviously better than 30-year old Fed. Would Prime Fed have won? No prolly not, not with how slow the court was playing that year (the reason the match was so long in the first place). But 3-0 easy? Highly unlikely. I know you love this match but let’s stay within the realm of reality here. Here are a few examples of matches I personally think are better than the AO ‘12 final: Rafa-Thiem USO ‘18 Djokovic-Stan AO ‘13 Rafa-Verdasco AO ‘09 Fed-Djokovic W ‘19
@@sasook i disagree with w 2019. the match wasnt that high quality. sure it was long and dramatic, but the only high quality thing about that match was feds serve
I've been following tennis since 2005 and i will tell you guys. At least in my eyes there will never be no one as good as Rafa and Roger in tennis. Even Nole would go break all the records he will never be as respected as this two because what kind of tennis this two produced was second to none.
Still we could have more Fed vs Nad grand slam's finals...and that would be the world sport event of the day at least.....the bosses in action🤗🤗🤗😚😚😚😚😚👌👍💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
There was no roof or lights either. The tiebreak they played in the final set on centre court in 2008 i remember the sunlight was setting into the dark almost 😂
he doesn't tho. he doesnt hit the shots aggressively like he used to in his early twenties. polar opposite compared to nadal. nadal fights for every point like it's his last
@@rupaksavan8452 Both have adapted their game to their age IMHO, and as much as it is obvious NADAL scores a full 10 when it comes to fighting for every point. Hearing you one might think Roger doesn't care if he wins or lose a point. It is almost as if he was actually losing a match and would go on and say: "Oh well, I guess that is not my day, who cares anyway... I would fight for this match, but I am no MENTAL Nadal, I am only Mr.Couldn't Care Less Roger" I think you are mistaken. Federer alongside all the top 20 players in the World fight like crazy for every point. Federer goes after impossible to reach balls as much as Nole, Nadal, Stan, Andy, etc...
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor there were many instances where fed could have ended ralleys if he hit harder. Well ofcourse he adapted to his age, thats wt i meant. he won 20 but how many has he won past few years? he'll be beaten by nadal and prolly djokovic as well. fed lost so many matches due to age inconvenience coz he can't give his best
ATP ranking 2007: 1 Federer 2 Nadal 3 Djokovic. 2019: 1 Djokovic 2 Nadal 3 Federer Hello? Where is the new generation ... of new players? Promises that were not and the years go by: Kyrgios, Tsitsipas, Zverev, Monfils, Dimitrov, Thiem, Goffin, Nishikori (these in the current top 20). Other players missing from the map of the last 13 years of big three domain: Tsonga, Simon, Berdych, Gulbis, Gasquet, Dolgopolov.
12:50 horrible translation there "To annoy my opponent" = incorrect "Molestar" is used much more in the sense of "make him uncomfortable" , "take him out of his comfort zone". In English people would use the word "HURTING", never "ANNOYING"
Whoever disliked this video, shame on you. This is not only the greatest rivalry in tennis history but the greatest tennis match that will ever take place.
"... if you add everything together, there's no question in my mind overall; The 2008 match between Rafa and Roger is the greatest tennis match ever." LEGENDARY!
Wimbledon 2019 is so much worse for Federer career than this one, here Nadal and Federer were equally good and anyone could've won, it was 50-50 and only one can win. Wimbledon 2019 is different, he was the best players by a mile, but still lost
Perfeitos tudo que Prosperidade $ Esse esporte 🎾 Não por que preconceito com eles elas deve Graças à Deus é bom não ter Brasileiros brasileiras se Educação nenhuma sem classe pra esse esporte pessoas vive estressado até morre no pecado da Ira da aula também parece que virou Futebol ⚽️ UFc Pão 🍞é Circo 🎪 Hora separa Homens dos meninos 👦 👦 Mulheres da meninas claro
[HELP] This is just a stunning film !!! I am translating this film to my mother tongue and would like to share it to as many people as I can. But there's some places I couldn't here clearly. If you pass by and have some time, please could you help me to check if I was wrong. I would be grateful for your help. Thank you so much in advance! *Note: I will UPPERCASE and mark '???' specific points where I have trouble listening. 1. 0:36 that you just feel very honoured and privileged to be playing on such a PERFECTLY LAID grass court. 2. 2:39 Federer’s simply in a different WORLD at the moment ???????????????????????????????????????????? (whole sentence) 3. 2:57 He's been in the zone for the last five years ???????????????????????????????? (whole sentence) 4. 3:19 ????????????????????????? Rafael Nadal in superb form. 5. 3:52 ??? strong ????????????????????????????? 6. 4:00 No doubt ??? THAT there's been some surprises, you know, especially Andy and Novak losing and when you see this DRAWER sort of being narrowed down and you see that Rafa is the BIG FAVOURITE in the other section. I'm the big favourite in my section. Obviously you start thinking more about, you know, the possible final. 7. 7:16 Wimbledon's at distant magical place that IS across the ocean that had THIS AURA ?????? beauty. 8. 8:25 THERE'S WASN'T ever such tension in the men’s final. A tiebreak in the fourth set. 9. 8:44 I had this TELLING me like super START? 10. 10:35 you know, he's more emotional and he wears his emotions more in sleeves. You CAN/CAN'T sort of see what he's feeling more. 11. 10:47 So Federer, 26 YEAR old, MY STROKE from Switzerland (why not YEARS OLD? what does that mean by MY STROKE?) 12. 12:16 both players ?????? time in the ball well 13. 13:02 ???????????????????????????????? First ??? to the Spaniard in his ATTEMPT to win Wimbledon for the first time 14. 13:21 On the surface, if you're just watching as a spectator, you might just look ??? ??? so good. 15. 14:00 Most fundamentally, Federer is a sporting ????????? 16. 14:21 Nadal stands for effort and its associated qualities: ENDURANCE, muscle power, fortitude, stamina
If you take the ten best men’s players of all time and they are all in their prime does Rog-Fed end up beating them all? I don’t think he’s the most athletic player but I think he’s the smartest player and was mentally the toughest. He never seemed to fold under pressure.
Truly don't know, I'm trying to find the remaining part but not successful so far, sorry. It was all due to some copyright claim, RUclips took down the videos so I deleted it from my laptop... Wish I could go back in time and post part 3 for you guys.
@@danielsg1271 Here's a link to the full video ;) I'm pretty sure it's the version that was ripped from the BBC iplayer "Strokes of Genius: Federer v Nadal" my.mail.ru/mail/cashtan.70/video/_myvideo/2636.html
I don’t understand the whole GOAT debate.. it’s not like Roger or Rafa win a GOAT trophy and 100 million dollars once the public finally can come to an agreement over whose the goat.
Yeah it's only a very subjective opinion. Over the years, the only somewhat consistent baseline/ agreement between people I've noticed is slam count, But there's loads of factors that doesn't even consider (time ranked #1, h2h's, peak play vs longetivity, most bagels dealt (just joking on that, had to break up the monotony). The Goat conversation does nothing but keep people glued to the tv when there (historically past decade and a half) was only 3 of the same guys winning the big ones over and over and over, at least way more than not Edit: and of course there's loads of recency biases. Heck even a few years back, I remember reading even Agassi and Graf couldn't agree who the "goat" is lol. Everyone emotionally invested probably has a fav. in their heart (highly influencing who they consider the goat) & just use the evidence they can scrap up to put one of them on a pedestal. But objectively, collectively the Big 3 are the Goat/ closest thing to it at this time
well .. Roger lost the match before the start . the 2008 French open final got into his head . pre 2017 Australian Open final Nadal was inside Rogers head . A lot has changed now .
"A lot has changed now" lol, Federer is 38 you're talking like he had Nadal all figured out, he won in 5 sets at the 2017 AO and was a break down in the fifth set.
Yes, it is the greatest Tennis match ever ! Nadal had to beat 5 times back to back champion in his straight 3rd year attempt ! to hold the trophy Nadal had to beat Murray, Djokovic and Federer !
Why does nadal like to play defensively? And he dont play near the net anymore. Roger barely has to move during rallys.idk why nadal always hits the ball straight to his opponents,rather than hit to the opposite side. Or sometimes when he does get to the net,he never just drops the ball barely making it over the net. Instead he still hits it hard straight to the opponents. What is the reason to play defensively. ?He clearly loves to run around. Idk makes no sense to me
He believes he can maintain quality play longer than anybody else and he is often right. Now that he is older I feel like he tries not to just outlast opponents.
@@stevenkunzer9027 well i know that, but i was saying sometimes. (i said sometimes) when the ball goes wide or if an opponent lobs the ball, he barely tries to get it. Im actually watching him right now. My biggest pet peeve is that he never puts it away and hit winners. He Never hits the ball cross court. . He wants to keep the ball alive. Like right now, when the ball goes way up high, he had about 4 chances so far to hit it cross court. Hes he is one the most athletic player in the world, and hes my fav player, but for reasons why i stated above, are costing him, hes hanging by a thread.ITS SUPER IRRITATING. he went to the net a lot back in the days, but not anymore. Sometimes, hes so stubborn. i dont know how he manages to win. I guess his strategy is to wear out the opponent, hoping they will make an error. But hes always the one running around. I cant even watch anymore... Btw sorry about my adhd
og jenny huh? He served and volleyed 20 times in USO 2019 final, and hit more than 60 winners, not to mention the countless forced errors he got from Medvedev. U seem to be 4 years behind in time.
Rafa and Novak are better than Roger. Roger is the best ambassador and most known player. These are just facts. That 5 year dominance of Roger came in era of weak tennis players(Safin,Roddick,Layton...)
Not even in the same league as this match... there where many great matches in the past, gerulaitis v Borg was outstanding... but this match wasn't just the best tennis match ever, it was the best sporting contest in history... it was pure drama!!!!
This match had everything you need in a GOAT match 1. Narrative, Federer was going for his 6th wimbledon title and hadn't lost a match on grass since 2003, Nadal was good on other surfaces but he was mainly a clay court specialist, this match changed Nadal career forever. 2. Drama, it was pretty dramatic especially in the 4th tiebreak where Nadal and Federer made two of the best passing shots ever. 3. Quality of Tennis, the match was amazing by itself with some amazing rallies. 4. Players, Nadal and Federer rivalry is the most iconic rivalry in tennis history, Nadal and Federer couldn't be more opposites. Roger is talent, magic,style. Rafa is fighting spirit, speed, stamina. Nadal is pure defense and Roger is pure attack. Wimbledon 2008 is just unmatched.
Boring, 11 minutes of crap from a retired mcnore who keeps changing his opinions based on who paid him more, McEnroe is just using his way of narration to tryna stay relevant and build a future in RUclips lol, all these retired players I tell you
That's business. I understand what you are saying, but that's what you have to do to enjoy life then you do it. IT is the fans that keep him relevant, not them themselves.
Im a rafa fan....but While fed and rafa dream and talk about the past... MY MAN NOVAK HAS RUINED THEIR LEGACY BY BEATING THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN nadal still wins om clay Buchholz everywhere else both are nowhere close to NOVAK
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
I know federer is the genius, the artist, but reducing rafa to "lots of effort" I think is damaging, because we can forget he's a magician a virtuoso in his own right
Well said! not to mention the fact Roger puts in a ton of effort of his own too.
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor, of course, there must be an effort but in terms of skill, no one compares to how talented Roger is. Rafa has a talent of course but his game is much more based on physical strength than Federer's.
@@wellyngtonamaral4097 I respect your opinion but completely disagree with it. Roger's game is 50% SERVE, 25%chasing balls like crazy, 25% going for the kill WHILE Nadal is 5% serving, 35% chasing balls like crazy, 60% making the opponent unconformable with angles, spins and strategy. They both hit amazing forehands, amazing backhands, and amazing volleys, so serve aside I don't see too much technical advantage on Federer's part. Mind you NADAL was a pro much younger and have had success much earlier in his career. They are both great. To assume what you assume is trying to diminish the extreme quality, talent, intelligence, strategy, spirit, mental power and maturity NADAL has. Pretty much what FEDERER have but not in the exact quantities. After all, lets face it 26 out of 40 times NADAL was better than Roger. I've seen all those matches and I recall a ton of amazing shots, drop shots, ingenious plays and strategies being deployed by NADAL, not only effort as you put it. And I have see also a ton of effort and physicality from Federer in those matches too.
Velha Guarda Tricolor about the numbers you showed... 1 serve is one of the most important skill to have in modern tennis, 2 “chasing the ball like crazy?” I’ve never seen him running like crazy, even though his footwork is one of the best of the tour (if not the best). Also you can’t even compare their volleys (is more like a weakness on Rafa’s game, Roger use volleys as a powerful weapon), same goes for the drop shots. Rafa has strong baseline balls, his strategy is basically pushing the opponents backwards until he finds a place to hit his winners, I’m not saying that is easy to do. Actually no one does this better than him. You can’t say that a player is better than the other by looking only for their matches one against other, sometimes one player is good against an specific style of playing there are tons of examples of this on tour (Taitsipas is better ranked and always looses matches against Auger)
@@wellyngtonamaral4097 At the end of their careers you can probably make a case for each of the "Big 3". Depending on your favorite you will be biased. Rafa is the greatest fighter ever. Roger plays the most beautiful tennis ever. Djoker is an absolute machine when he's on. Rafa is my favorite so I prefer him...and he's beaten Fed on every surface in a Major 😉
I can’t imagine tennis without these two, never have 2 rivals had so much charisma, class and appeal to the masses...i don’t know if i’ll watch tennis after these 2 leave the scene
Many say this. I say it all the time
Maybe there will be new guys and girls coming through. Look at the 2000-10s, we had so many great players. But in the end, only 3 made it big. Like in football, we can see some potential new faces for the 2020s but in tennis, it's complicated. In the past there were many rivalries with Sampras, Agassi, Bjorg, McEnroe, the Williams, Evert, Navratilova, etc. And we reached the top with Roger and Rafa. Now, let's see what the new kids will bring. But I have to say I'm a big worried, especially for the WTA. I used to want to be a tennis player like them as a kid, they looked so cool, the matches were always entertaining. This match was the most incredible I had ever seen. I was so happy for Rafa. Now, I don't see much creativity and contrast. But let's see in the future.
I remember, I watched it from the middle. I shall not forget this match. Rafael Nadal was just awesome.
So lucky u were !!
I love what nadal says in this documentary
When their in thir in the fifth set... Tony didn't know what to say to motivate Rafa.. And he himself thought this is finish Federer has a better chance... And then Rafa surprises everyone by saying... "I whont lose this! Federer can win the match, but I whont lose"
So fkn powerful.
History was made this day. Watched it all day from start to finish
A very long time! The most viewed tennis match in history on nbc. 50 million people watched. So cool when rafa won the trophy. Back then they took the winner and trophy to the balcony where the people on the lawn outside the stadium could see rafa and the trophy. It was packed!! Greatest story of all time!
Lilbird They still do that! It just takes a while to work their way out there...
@@lemae4578 it wasn't shown on abc anymore. I just listened on tune in. A few years ago it was on abc but as soon as the championship was over they cut and put some bs show or advertising on. I only remember Rafa's win on CBS. Plus i remember when they took Djokovic over there too.
Lilbird : Here’s Roger in 2017 from the balcony - ruclips.net/video/_-8JlzWEaxA/видео.html
I like it that Nadal's entourage and Federer's have to sit very close together.
2 men, Roger and Rafa, so much talent, skill and class
hate it how that muppet was talking like nadals just effort and emotion. such a disservice to a guy with as much talent as anybody in history u think he hits them outrageous forehands down the line out of nothing?
I agree but IMO effort is a better quality than talent
Bit harsh to nadal, yes his energy and testosterome was an advantage and he may have not been the artist of federer but he played like a tactician. You dont win wimbledon by just being like a bodybuilder and triathlon athlete.
I watched it - it lasted the all afternoon! Greatest match I have ever seen
Yea, it started at 11:00am and was still on at 7:00pm with all the ceremony and everything! Was a day of celebration!! New king crowned!
This is, without a doubt, the greatest sports doc I've ever seen. An absolute privilege to be alive to watch these two
True
To me, the most remarcable quality about rafa is not his stamina, but his mind. He’s phisically strong, but he’s strenght of will that makes him a beast.
and he is sooooo intenseeee!!!! even when he is talking and you are supposed to be relaxed he gives this intense aura that is amazing!!!
Nadal is not only effort & stamina! Come on
The guy that said that seemed like a retard, he sees things in black and white, Nadal is one of the most skillful players of all time, his net game is second to none in his generation, funny how they try to downgrade the guys skill and talent .
@@gherbihicham8506 without talent you cannot win 13 FO
Did you know Nadal doesn’t even really practice running, his stamina and speed is from his strength, he started working his strength at 14.
Of course not. But those are the obvious qualities that he embodies. Especially when you look at his first 7-10 years on tour. He was the strongest, the fastest, the most endurant guy who could generate offense from the most desperate defensive positions. He evolved with time though, seeing him doing serve and volleys now is impressive, his evolution as a player forces a huge respect.
@@medvedevserguei8691 he was only able to run fast because he practiced sprinting, he does run every now and then but his endurance is just from pushing himself.
This is the greatest tennis final, and rivalry Ever.
That look in Nadal's eyes! The eyes of the tiger, that was a different mentality, few have that look on this planet. Will miss you Rafa!
Impressive, as was the 2012 Australian Open final. The longest Grand Slam final match in history 7 minutes shy of 6 hours. An epic match between Rafa and Nole and I was so fortunate to be there with one of my sons till after 2 am. In the final, Novak Djokovic defeated Rafael Nadal 5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5 to win the tournament. It was the longest Grand Slam final match (by duration) in history, lasting 5 hours 53 minutes, overtaking the record previously set by the 1988 US Open Final between Mats Wilander and Ivan Lend
Agree. And who is present in both games? GoAT
So true!!?
@@jesuslopez4238yeah hes the X Factor
2008,2009 was very important years in men's tennis history
It is a priviledged to watch this match live ..even when i watch the highlights i usually could not shift my attention till date,..
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much for posting this AMAZING DOC!
Watched this match live. So epic! It was the best match ever
AO 2012 exceeded it. Novak cemented his world number one status in that epic final.
Only people who dont understand Tennis dare to classify Nadal as just effort, muscle, etc... he has way more vareity of shots than any player in history and he execute more different shots better. He is way more technical than anyone. Im not sure if its ignorance or arrogance. And of course he is the goat and by quite a distance. To me he is the top 1 and then there is a top 2 player behind.
Federer can not beat Nadal at French Open, however Nadal can beat Federer on grass at Wimbledon in the greatest match ever, This gives Nadal the edge as the GOAT
Idk man as the biggest Nadal fan, i think he kinda sucks on hardcourt. But whatever I think Federer and Nadal are the two greatest players of all time.
@Jeremy Mathis Nadal beat Federer in his peak though
2004 Nadal was only 17 years old
No excuses
@Jeremy Mathis
Peaks don’t mean shit
If Federer was not playing good enough that’s his problem
Federer got better as he got older
Stats don’t lie
Hard to argue Federer is better
I hope your okay, please don’t cry when your read these stats
Grandslams
Nadal - 22
Federer - 20
H2H
Nadal - 24
Federer - 16
Olympics
Nadal - 1
Federer - 0
Roger Slams
Nadal - 2
Federer - 1
H2h (majors)
Nadal - 11
Federer - 4
Choking in majors
Nadal - 0
Federer - 3
H2H In Federer’ prime
Nadal - 8
Federer 4
Wins on different surfaces in majors
Hard court
Nadal 3/1
Clay
Nadal 6/0
Grass
Federer 3/1
@@L0uisRp no Nadal fan would say he “sucks” on hard court
@@fedtartexterminator2431shut up dumbass Fed hater.
Federer has 6 WTF
Nadal has zero.
Federer is a all court player and Nadal is a clay bully.
Nadal vulturd slams so as djokovic post 2018
"In tennis, you have to put the opponent away. You have to always win the last point to get over the finish line." Oh Roger, if only you could predict what would happen to you at Wimbledon 11 years later. 8-7 40-15 never forget.
So true! To this day, it's almost too painful for me to think about. Remember when John McEnroe said, right after Roger broke Novak's serve, the next game on Roger's serve "could be the most important important game of Federer's life"? We were all getting ready for a coronation. Perhaps Roger, too, and he forgot his own best advice.
There's an interview with Gilles Simon (peaked during prime Fedal era) think he explained it best- Federer didn't do anything wrong coming in on that match point- works 98% of the time (exact same play won him Wimbledon 2012 vs Murray) but Djokovic is just that good. He is other-worldly when it comes to intense points under pressure, almost makes him play better most of the time. Not saying he's the absolute Goat, all 3 have a case based on criteria... but for sure the sport will be set back when these 3 are done
I was there on Henman's Hill and I loved ever single point of that long rain delayed match, but The AO 2012 Final was the GOAT hands down. I have a hard time believing it will ever be surpassed in quality, competitiveness, beauty, drama, tension and passion. My man NADAL lost that match but it doesn't matter. It was pure perfection.
What hurt the AO final for me was that the styles were too similar. Two baseline defending machines....amazing court coverage sure & definitely the GOAT for physical prowess shown but there was no contrast, which made it a bit boring for me.
@@sasook I understand and respect what you saying, but I honestly think of that game as the all time pinnacle of the sport, therefore if there was another player on court that day other than Rafa and Nole it would have been 3-0 easy. NADAL and DJOKOVIC were just perfect. Prime Federer himself would have had ZERO change against either that day (Roger lost to Nadal in the Semis btw). Rafa was still a machine and Nole was in GOD mode. That match couldn't have been played any different. But hey. We can agree to disagree. Cheers!
Velha Guarda Tricolor You’re making some really strong claims there. They were perfect *against each other* because they know each other so well. You don’t know how they would have responded to someone else that they’ve played not as often. Stanimal for example, or a fit Delpo. Prime Fed was better than you’re giving him credit for - 30-year old Fed was giving Nole more trouble in 2011-2012 than Nadal was, as a reminder. Prime Fed, logically, is obviously better than 30-year old Fed. Would Prime Fed have won? No prolly not, not with how slow the court was playing that year (the reason the match was so long in the first place). But 3-0 easy? Highly unlikely. I know you love this match but let’s stay within the realm of reality here.
Here are a few examples of matches I personally think are better than the AO ‘12 final:
Rafa-Thiem USO ‘18
Djokovic-Stan AO ‘13
Rafa-Verdasco AO ‘09
Fed-Djokovic W ‘19
@@sasook i disagree with w 2019. the match wasnt that high quality. sure it was long and dramatic, but the only high quality thing about that match was feds serve
Wheres the views? Thnks for this video.its so nostalgic to me
The highlights of the actual match start at 11:45.
11:06 “u only get one opportunity to win 6 in a row. Ur never going to get that chance again, never” nadal would at rg 😂
federer is going to be an amazing coach, I really hope we get to see that, of him coaching, wow
Maro Maro Did you see Laver Cup today? He was coaching up a few of his teammates... and you could hear it! Really good stuff - let me find you a link.
Maro Maro Found it - here it is... Roger & Rafa coaching Fabio at Laver Cup. ruclips.net/video/UizpbBcDjn0/видео.html
Lisa Smith yesssss that’s why I love the laver cup, it’s the only place you’ll find this leyends interacting like this in a competition
Without rafa and Roger the Wimbledon final will not look beautiful
Sethu Pathy nor will tennis, i’m 26 now, i can’t imagine tennis without these two.
3:46 While Djokovic may have the best BH down the line passing shot, Nadal has the best cross court
Love it!!!!
I've been following tennis since 2005 and i will tell you guys. At least in my eyes there will never be no one as good as Rafa and Roger in tennis. Even Nole would go break all the records he will never be as respected as this two because what kind of tennis this two produced was second to none.
biased right here injecting morality
I started watching tennis coz of roger but fell in love with rafa🐐
Still we could have more Fed vs Nad grand slam's finals...and that would be the world sport event of the day at least.....the bosses in action🤗🤗🤗😚😚😚😚😚👌👍💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Without a doubt the greatest final ever between the two greatest players ever
There was no roof or lights either. The tiebreak they played in the final set on centre court in 2008 i remember the sunlight was setting into the dark almost 😂
@@caseyfalconer7347 that final was out of this world,so privileged to have watched it
@@thecrow4122 Was special. Only 2019 with Federer and Djokovic can match it. Great era
14:05 Federer would disagree with the concept he does not put a ton of effort.
he doesn't tho. he doesnt hit the shots aggressively like he used to in his early twenties. polar opposite compared to nadal. nadal fights for every point like it's his last
@@rupaksavan8452 Both have adapted their game to their age IMHO, and as much as it is obvious NADAL scores a full 10 when it comes to fighting for every point. Hearing you one might think Roger doesn't care if he wins or lose a point.
It is almost as if he was actually losing a match and would go on and say: "Oh well, I guess that is not my day, who cares anyway... I would fight for this match, but I am no MENTAL Nadal, I am only Mr.Couldn't Care Less Roger"
I think you are mistaken. Federer alongside all the top 20 players in the World fight like crazy for every point. Federer goes after impossible to reach balls as much as Nole, Nadal, Stan, Andy, etc...
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor there were many instances where fed could have ended ralleys if he hit harder. Well ofcourse he adapted to his age, thats wt i meant. he won 20 but how many has he won past few years? he'll be beaten by nadal and prolly djokovic as well. fed lost so many matches due to age inconvenience coz he can't give his best
@@rupaksavan8452 you just don’t get it…
It just looks so easy for him. He doesn't get the credit for his hard work
Rocky Federer against the Taurian Matador...beautiful
ATP ranking 2007: 1 Federer 2 Nadal 3 Djokovic. 2019: 1 Djokovic 2 Nadal 3 Federer Hello? Where is the new generation ... of new players? Promises that were not and the years go by: Kyrgios, Tsitsipas, Zverev, Monfils, Dimitrov, Thiem, Goffin, Nishikori (these in the current top 20). Other players missing from the map of the last 13 years of big three domain: Tsonga, Simon, Berdych, Gulbis, Gasquet, Dolgopolov.
Nadal speeds up the world, Federer slows the world down - classic
12:50 horrible translation there "To annoy my opponent" = incorrect
"Molestar" is used much more in the sense of "make him uncomfortable" , "take him out of his comfort zone".
In English people would use the word "HURTING", never "ANNOYING"
I apologise, I deserve the death penalty for that mistake!!!!
@@danielsg1271 LOL
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor 😂😂👍👍
Good old days man
The Greatest match ever played in tennis..... Not even in arguable
Love some of the slightly whimsical music when Nadal is shown, not sure why!
Wimbledon 2019!!!
Whoever disliked this video, shame on you. This is not only the greatest rivalry in tennis history but the greatest tennis match that will ever take place.
"... if you add everything together, there's no question in my mind overall; The 2008 match between Rafa and Roger is the greatest tennis match ever." LEGENDARY!
Wimbledon 2019 is so much worse for Federer career than this one, here Nadal and Federer were equally good and anyone could've won, it was 50-50 and only one can win. Wimbledon 2019 is different, he was the best players by a mile, but still lost
amazing edits man
can u link me where you got this documentary pls
Rafa will be the GOAT
Is the Goat
Perfeitos tudo que Prosperidade $ Esse esporte 🎾 Não por que preconceito com eles elas deve Graças à Deus é bom não ter Brasileiros brasileiras se Educação nenhuma sem classe pra esse esporte pessoas vive estressado até morre no pecado da Ira da aula também parece que virou Futebol ⚽️ UFc Pão 🍞é Circo 🎪 Hora separa Homens dos meninos 👦 👦 Mulheres da meninas claro
That moment you freak out because you think someone hacked your Mac at 7:39
LOL yeh, sorry about that.
Technical issues 😂
Thot the semis between Rafa vs Roger , final between Rog and Novak and finally Rafa vs Danill at he US Open was pretty fucking dope.
2:30 i like how ppl just folowing the ball left and right looks like a joke haha
[HELP] This is just a stunning film !!! I am translating this film to my mother tongue and would like to share it to as many people as I can.
But there's some places I couldn't here clearly. If you pass by and have some time, please could you help me to check if I was wrong.
I would be grateful for your help. Thank you so much in advance!
*Note: I will UPPERCASE and mark '???' specific points where I have trouble listening.
1. 0:36 that you just feel very honoured and privileged to be playing on such a PERFECTLY LAID grass court.
2. 2:39 Federer’s simply in a different WORLD at the moment ???????????????????????????????????????????? (whole sentence)
3. 2:57 He's been in the zone for the last five years ???????????????????????????????? (whole sentence)
4. 3:19 ????????????????????????? Rafael Nadal in superb form.
5. 3:52 ??? strong ?????????????????????????????
6. 4:00 No doubt ??? THAT there's been some surprises, you know, especially Andy and Novak losing and when you see this DRAWER sort of being narrowed down and you see that Rafa is the BIG FAVOURITE in the other section. I'm the big favourite in my section. Obviously you start thinking more about, you know, the possible final.
7. 7:16 Wimbledon's at distant magical place that IS across the ocean that had THIS AURA ?????? beauty.
8. 8:25 THERE'S WASN'T ever such tension in the men’s final. A tiebreak in the fourth set.
9. 8:44 I had this TELLING me like super START?
10. 10:35 you know, he's more emotional and he wears his emotions more in sleeves. You CAN/CAN'T sort of see what he's feeling more.
11. 10:47 So Federer, 26 YEAR old, MY STROKE from Switzerland (why not YEARS OLD? what does that mean by MY STROKE?)
12. 12:16 both players ?????? time in the ball well
13. 13:02 ???????????????????????????????? First ??? to the Spaniard in his ATTEMPT to win Wimbledon for the first time
14. 13:21 On the surface, if you're just watching as a spectator, you might just look ??? ??? so good.
15. 14:00 Most fundamentally, Federer is a sporting ?????????
16. 14:21 Nadal stands for effort and its associated qualities: ENDURANCE, muscle power, fortitude, stamina
Pascal Maria had the best seat, for the Greatest match ever played in tennis history 🥤
If you take the ten best men’s players of all time and they are all in their prime does
Rog-Fed end up beating them all? I don’t think he’s the most athletic player but I think he’s the smartest player and was mentally the toughest. He never seemed to fold under pressure.
"Nadal is a freewheeling abstract expressionist"... Daym... That's that's poetry
Why does it end so abruptly?
That's only Part 1
Nadal , nadal , nadal
Where do I get full video of this??
Truly don't know, I'm trying to find the remaining part but not successful so far, sorry.
It was all due to some copyright claim, RUclips took down the videos so I deleted it from my laptop... Wish I could go back in time and post part 3 for you guys.
@@danielsg1271 This is from the documentary Strokes of Genius (2018). You can find it on the iTunes store, and probably some other places.
@@tim72184 Thanks so much! Will look into it
@@danielsg1271 Here's a link to the full video ;) I'm pretty sure it's the version that was ripped from the BBC iplayer "Strokes of Genius: Federer v Nadal" my.mail.ru/mail/cashtan.70/video/_myvideo/2636.html
Where's part 2?
I was there...
what's the french empire mean when he say "I don't want to have big head" ? I don't understand
French expression to say that he doesn't want to be pretentious saying that he did a good job.
I don’t understand the whole GOAT debate.. it’s not like Roger or Rafa win a GOAT trophy and 100 million dollars once the public finally can come to an agreement over whose the goat.
Yeah it's only a very subjective opinion. Over the years, the only somewhat consistent baseline/ agreement between people I've noticed is slam count, But there's loads of factors that doesn't even consider (time ranked #1, h2h's, peak play vs longetivity, most bagels dealt (just joking on that, had to break up the monotony). The Goat conversation does nothing but keep people glued to the tv when there (historically past decade and a half) was only 3 of the same guys winning the big ones over and over and over, at least way more than not
Edit: and of course there's loads of recency biases. Heck even a few years back, I remember reading even Agassi and Graf couldn't agree who the "goat" is lol. Everyone emotionally invested probably has a fav. in their heart (highly influencing who they consider the goat) & just use the evidence they can scrap up to put one of them on a pedestal. But objectively, collectively the Big 3 are the Goat/ closest thing to it at this time
well .. Roger lost the match before the start . the 2008 French open final got into his head . pre 2017 Australian Open final Nadal was inside Rogers head . A lot has changed now .
Federer have never won Rafa in clay. Rafa defeated the Number One in his favourite surface at his peak. GOAT
"A lot has changed now" lol, Federer is 38 you're talking like he had Nadal all figured out, he won in 5 sets at the 2017 AO and was a break down in the fifth set.
When Rafa is playing tennis he is working hard but when he is working hard he makes it look super easy.
Nadal is in a close battle with Djokovic for goat. Federer still top 5 all.time.
Yes, it is the greatest Tennis match ever ! Nadal had to beat 5 times back to back champion in his straight 3rd year attempt ! to hold the trophy Nadal had to beat Murray, Djokovic and Federer !
I am watching this and I am horrified and nauseated by the sheer volume of coded language is used to describe and contrast these players.
I tell ya as amazing as Roger and Rafa are nothing about them or this match will be remembered a 100 years from now only in slight mention
Novak Djokovic - best player in the history of tennis!
Why does nadal like to play defensively? And he dont play near the net anymore. Roger barely has to move during rallys.idk why nadal always hits the ball straight to his opponents,rather than hit to the opposite side. Or sometimes when he does get to the net,he never just drops the ball barely making it over the net. Instead he still hits it hard straight to the opponents.
What is the reason to play defensively. ?He clearly loves to run around. Idk makes no sense to me
He believes he can maintain quality play longer than anybody else and he is often right. Now that he is older I feel like he tries not to just outlast opponents.
@@stevenkunzer9027 well i know that, but i was saying sometimes. (i said sometimes) when the ball goes wide or if an opponent lobs the ball, he barely tries to get it. Im actually watching him right now. My biggest pet peeve is that he never puts it away and hit winners. He
Never hits the ball cross court. . He wants to keep the ball alive. Like right now, when the ball goes way up high, he had about 4 chances so far to hit it cross court. Hes he is one the most athletic player in the world, and hes my fav player, but for reasons why i stated above, are costing him, hes hanging by a thread.ITS SUPER IRRITATING. he went to the net a lot back in the days, but not anymore. Sometimes, hes so stubborn. i dont know how he manages to win.
I guess his strategy is to wear out the opponent, hoping they will make an error. But hes always the one running around. I cant even watch anymore... Btw sorry about my adhd
Nadal está constantemente mutando.
og jenny huh? He served and volleyed 20 times in USO 2019 final, and hit more than 60 winners, not to mention the countless forced errors he got from Medvedev. U seem to be 4 years behind in time.
Always hit the ball straight to his opponents? clearly you did not pay enough attention.
FEDERER WAS MUCH UNLUCKY IN THIS MATCH , PROBABILLY HE MERITED TO WINNER , BUT THIS IS THE LIFE.
Rafa and Novak are better than Roger. Roger is the best ambassador and most known player.
These are just facts. That 5 year dominance of Roger came in era of weak tennis players(Safin,Roddick,Layton...)
Last 13 finals of novaknr against who?
nope. 1980 Wimbledon Borg vs McEnroe was the best ever.
Not even in the same league as this match... there where many great matches in the past, gerulaitis v Borg was outstanding... but this match wasn't just the best tennis match ever, it was the best sporting contest in history... it was pure drama!!!!
@@marksudlow5083 and Borg McEnroe Wimbledon 1980 final wasn't?
This match had everything you need in a GOAT match
1. Narrative, Federer was going for his 6th wimbledon title and hadn't lost a match on grass since 2003, Nadal was good on other surfaces but he was mainly a clay court specialist, this match changed Nadal career forever.
2. Drama, it was pretty dramatic especially in the 4th tiebreak where Nadal and Federer made two of the best passing shots ever.
3. Quality of Tennis, the match was amazing by itself with some amazing rallies.
4. Players, Nadal and Federer rivalry is the most iconic rivalry in tennis history, Nadal and Federer couldn't be more opposites. Roger is talent, magic,style. Rafa is fighting spirit, speed, stamina. Nadal is pure defense and Roger is pure attack.
Wimbledon 2008 is just unmatched.
@@juanestebankruhsanmguel1960 nope. Wimdbledon final 1980 was the best ever.
Who dislikes this?
Plateau J. Me
Boring, 11 minutes of crap from a retired mcnore who keeps changing his opinions based on who paid him more, McEnroe is just using his way of narration to tryna stay relevant and build a future in RUclips lol, all these retired players I tell you
That's business. I understand what you are saying, but that's what you have to do to enjoy life then you do it. IT is the fans that keep him relevant, not them themselves.
IF ONLY FEDERER HAD WON....
Im a rafa fan....but
While fed and rafa dream and talk about the past... MY MAN NOVAK HAS RUINED THEIR LEGACY BY BEATING THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN
nadal still wins om clay Buchholz everywhere else both are nowhere close to NOVAK
lmao how can someone be this pathetic easily doing an absolute fool of himself xDDD
Come again?
Yet Nadal leads him on H2H On slams and finals