What Went Wrong? - Interstellar Marines
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What went wrong with Interstellar Marines? This game went through two global disaster in the space of 18 years and had a lot of potential.
Interstellar Marines links.
Game: store.steampowered.com/app/23...
Channel: / zeropointsoftware
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Interstellar Marines is an indie sci-fi tactical first person shooter. It aims to be a totally immersive experience with it's own unique helmet mechanics. Sound is your greatest tool against the unknown. It's an ambitious project that has been in 18 years of development, through two global disasters and a kickstarter fail. 
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Wow, so this is a game that actually failed legitimately. Like, it wasn't mismanagement or some sort of scam, it just ran out of resources. That's more sad than usual for some reason.
Yeah, it's sad since it seems they actually delivered their promises when they still have the funds, if they have enough funds it seems to be a very fun game.
Yeah it is. I bought the spearhead release in 2013 and ran Neurogen and Starcrown Aerospace so many times. I really believe the team deserved success from the quality they started with.
For real.
Also, the Spearhead edition is imo another example of mismanagement. They sold you 3 games for $30 so even now if they ever finish the first full release they are in a big hole. This all happened before Kickstarter was a thing. Since then it has been a process of selling a trilogy to as many people as possible to fund a single episode but only ever producing a tech demo.
@@stysner4580 Sometimes it takes redesigns to find the fun part of a game or overcome technical issues, that doesn't necessarily mean it's mismanaged.
I walked into this video thinking id hate the devs and hear about a scam. but this time around i just feel bad, and if development is still going on for this game, im rooting for them. i hope they can accomplish their dream and their hard work pays off
Same boat. Ended up being a bit of a tragic tale.
Don't release a game into early access if you aren't going to release it full in a healthy time, the audience will consume and move on, gamers are locusts, very few stick around for long. Very few games hold on to a large audience for longer than a few years.
The devs (if they are still working on it) need to focus on coop/single-player content to interest players. People were interested in that, not the pvp content.
@@elias_xp95 Some developers can’t help it.
Like say, Project Zomboid? Why the current gen can occasionally feel less than an old version?
It’s because the developers were literally assaulted and robbed of the laptop they had containing the core code.
It’s been in development this whole time because they have been recreating the code from scratch.
And they do eventually have gotten back to near full product. They’re about to release a testing branch of NPCs and Animals. They have been doing great.
It’s all just a matter of if they’re dedicated enough to finish when shit goes wrong.
@@Norinia god damn i love project zomboid but its fucking dead (not the game, the enviroment) just zombies vs you, hope they add npcs and animals so it wont as empty and hope it wont add many bugs
Back in grade school, I actually did a short one-week internship at Zero point. And I actually remember them saying "even if everyone else stopped working tomorrow, Kim would still work on the game". Quite heartwarming and sad that he is too stubborn to give in. Wish you the best Kim, I am sorry I couldn't appreciate you back then.
What do you have a different definition of grade school than I do? Like kindergarten to like 6th grade? So you were like between 5 and 11 years old and did a one week internship? I find that hard to believe? Or I’m misunderstanding something
@@octopodd ahahhaha
@@octopodd
Could be a typo for "grad school" perhaps?
So many mechanics and cool concepts, but it's like building a giant speed boat then putting it in a swimming pool.
bro thats a good analogy
@@BallsNow no its more like building a giant speedboat with 20 friends, than everybody leaves halfway there and you are on your own and the screws and bolts and other mechanics still need to be bought, altough you have ran out of money, you still want to finish the boat. Its just gonna taken a long long long time. But hey, if you have the right mentality that boat will come one day. With a landshark inside it.
@Oren Black why?
@Oren Black just like the guy above me did???
Except the boat isnt in a pool where its to big for it. See the game isnt to big for the comunity, or to big for them to handle. They can handle it just fine, they just need more people and more mechanics. Thats why i said its not like a boat in a pool at all. More like building a boat with 20 friends (building a game with 20 people.) Then everybody leaves halfway. (Everybody needed to get fired because lack of money.) Then your on your own and the bolts and screws need to be bought. (The game is not finished yet and only the owner stays but because lack of funding cant give him the game mechanics and time and work to finish the game.) But the guy is a fighter and with that mentality he will get his boat 1 day. (His game.) The landshark part at the end was just a joke. Man i realy didnt feel i had to explain this to some retard over the Internet. Bye now...
@@BallsNow Not really, it's the opposite. They started to build a swimming pool, then they were only able to get 2cm of water and a few floating buoy.
The pool is there and need to be overhauled and filled. But there certainly isn't any boat yet.
It was always a fun game to hop into and play, but it was clearly just the start but it never made it past that.
It was actually quite fun playing through it. Sad to see that the game never got to where they wanted. Perhaps with a smaller brief they could come back with something fully fleshed out
If they managed to take that level and make a game that feels like that, I would give them $80
the aesthetics, the tension, the atmosphere just the gameplay itself, tweak some of it, add some stuff but keep that heart it would be amazing, I genuinely hope this makes it.
I got this game once yeeaaars ago, played it and my library just kept getting bigger and I lost it, but I always wanted to find it again and a few months back I finally did and it made me so happy, few games can do that to me, and I really really hope they pull through somehow
@@WickedWiz maybe contact them encourage come back finish the game! I Believe they can do it! Heck do another kick starter
@@WickedWiz They sould Open Source it. I would be actually interested in working on this.
@@WickedWiz
Not to dispute your experience, but Interstellar Marines was never a "good" game. Even back at the time when they were on an upstream, it was barely any more than "somewhat decent". Primarily, it suffered from being generic in all of its mechanics and looks. One could have achieved the same gameplay experience with a much cheaper (at the time) and less versatile engine. They really just tried to recreate stuff that was already widely available in many forms.
To make a worthwhile product, they would have needed people with a much stronger vision and sense of artistic expression (visually and regarding gameplay).
Man, I played so much of this game with my buddies all those years ago. We were so excited to fight the sharks! Too bad development flatlined.
Same dude, i was so looking forward for those sharks and that gameplay with unreal engine showed in the gdc was so sick. There are a lot of good indie game publishers this days like Coffee Stain so anything can happen.
It didn't flatline.
@@CryosisOfficial You sure? Last update was Dec 22 2019...seems pretty dead to me.
@@CryosisOfficial do you have the link?
I will never uninstall this due to my love for this game
This one is legitimately sad to hear about. The other games you've covered failed because of poor management or because they were never meant to succeed (scams). In the case of this one, however, it sounds like the devs really were passionate about making a great, unique game, but fate just didn't want it to happen.
Here's hoping that someday they're able to start working on this again and get the funding they need to make it a reality.
One that makes me so sad is The Dead Linger, I bought these two games back to back, I really did buy with my heart back then lol, my favourite game like it's too 10 is the PS3 version of alone in the dark (inferno) the mechanics alone make it cool to me.
I had no idea early access games although could have passionate teams, could just simply slowly lose momentum and thus run out of money.
I feel like if anyone is working on this game, they could do some sort of fundraiser or, "DLC pack" like a "back from the dead" pack, make it dirt cheap and make it include a weapon or something. Use it to finish this game off, like I'm working on a music album ATM, what I need to do is just stop adding things and finish it. I don't know, I know nothing of game development. I hope they can finish it.
@@brianeno608
> "Had no idea early access games althogh could have passionate teams"
it can the problem the game released during the Survival games copy paste era.
i hope this video brings attention so the devs can make the dream game for the players.
I remember asking in the mp lobby chat(?) how to play with my friend (we couldn't for some reason, maybe a region thing?), and the Dev popped up in chat and started us a server to play on, the game was already pretty dead at this point. That was nice of them and we had a good time playing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Damn
You rarely see that happening in games
@@CornPopGuy they really did care about the game, sadly they couldn't do anything about it
I preordered this game back in 2010. Such a shame to see scams get tons of cash but this game couldn't get funding
Imagine supporting Earth-2 but not this game. I feel you, looks like it could be so good
It's a real shame. It had great atmosphere, quite spooky.
And oh god, just the idea of those land sharks
@@TheScrootch and what the wizard say about the footsteps being important too,with the robots running around but you cant see them.it would spook you a lot
Funny how you mentioned the landsharks being the main selling point, because that was the selling point for me and a friend of mine as well. I remember playing through the first mission with him and truly enjoying the experience, as it not only was spooky and atmospheric (which was a relatively new feel for games at the time), but the gameplay itself had a really solid foundation. The PVP was also really neat and the atmosphere from PVE definitely carried over, which (to me) is still extremely rare to see in modern games.
For a few years, that friend and I had an inside joke about the game, which was that we would suddenly remember the game, and then ask each other "are there landsharks, yet?"
I realized the game was truly dead (or so I thought) when the lead dev disclosed that he was the only one left on the team, and although development was still happening, he was taking care of his dying mother, and so he wasn't as available to work on the game as he would have liked.
That’s so sad
god thats gut wrenching. I really hope he ends up fulfilling his dream
Seeing anything about Interstellar marines breaks my heart.
I visited the devs at their office (in around 2014-2015 or something)
They are absolutely passionate and dedicated devs, who as Wiz states in the video, are concerned about making a great game, not making money. Money was always the issue though.
Me and another guy who visited them, were presented with the old Unreal build they had lying around but could not publish for anything due to the licensing issue, and they let us play it. In my deepest and most honest opinion, it was absolutely an "Alien Isolation" level of horror experience. The atmosphere was absolutely stellar, and listening to the land sharks (Yes, they were in that build) running around stalking you, was absolutely terrifying!
Imo, they should have gone all in on the "FPS Horror" aspect of the game, because that is where it was at its absolute best.
Horror and "MilSim/First Person Simulator/Realistic Shooters" however, are not the most popular genres out, and that might have been some of the reason for the difficulty with the funding.
And with the cumminty now shattered, and the negative reviews about abandonware etc. I think that they will have a hard time comming back ever.
I do sincerely hope they do.. There was some real talent behind the game, and some real passion and dedication.. sadly just not money..
Kim is a great dude. He and his team did a ton of work to make a custom level with music and voice over from Terri Brosius for me to propose to my (now) wife in, simply because I asked.
They tried so, so hard to deliver on their vision. I believe that they have, despite it not being finished. It is still one of my favorite games to play.
I still believe.
For The Love Of The Game.
That's so incredibly sweet omg
@@maplep1464 Yeah, I am beyond fortunate. I can't say we wouldn't be together without what they did for us, but it was an amazing time having our first LAN Party be our proposal, after playing the game together for a year or so and helping her build her first PC up to play together. Beyond that, it is a wonderful memory that we were given by the love and care of folks we never met. I just can't appreciate them all enough.
This is absolutely amazing, I truly wish them the best
@@ahmedabdel-hamid4995 Yeah, we are very fortunate to have come by Zero Point Software 😎
Thanks for making this video. I was one of the three people who left at the start of 2016, and I'm really glad you did your research for this video as it covers a lot of things accurately. Kim is by far the most insanely passionate and driven creative director I've worked with, to the point of sleeping in the office for two weeks prior to NGI being released (yes, I had the pleasure of walking into the office one morning and seeing Kim wandering around in his underpants :)). Kim and this game gave me my start in the game industry, and I truly hope that one day Kim gets to see his dream come true and this game is released.
Holy cow this game actually looks BEAUTIFUL.
The lighting system specifically makes me smile. The gunflashes and flashlights in the characters eyes.
The scary AF Fast robots, this game looks great!
The ingame sounds were awesome too. It really showed it was made with love and passion.
Depending wheater or not you wore a helmet, your gun, enemy gun, footsteps, bullets hitting, missing, sounds of objects, explosions etc was different and as far as I remember they differentiated on your surroundings. Which means they had to do all the sounds at least 2 times.
Does anyone know what version of Unity Engine this game runs on?
@@LongNguyen-qg8yj it uses Unity 5.1.3p1
The best thing it was already reasonably optimised so it ran smoothly on my old potato.
I have fond memories of the pvp multiplayer before hell week. I really preferred those small team fights over that. Sound and lighting were immersive and crucial to a degree I've not encountered in any other FPS since. And the helmet mechanics were really interesting. I remember that your helmet could get temporarily disabled (EMP? can't quite remember) and in team fights that made it hard to distinguish friend from foe. Add to that the dark and rain, and you really felt vulnerable. Taking cover, listening for footsteps etc.
Even with only having one mission this sounds like a super fun game I would love to play. I don't care if it's fully abandoned I'm highly considering buying this game.
that one mission is fucking amazing
like genuinely took me a while because of how immersive it all was
It doesn't have one mission, it has multiple missions. And it isn't abandoned either.
@@CryosisOfficial I figured it wasn't abandoned but that's good to hear that it has more than one mission.
If you buy it, I will straight up play those missions with you. I tried them years ago on a shitty laptop. Now I have a solid computer and would be interested in trying it out again
@@chrismiranda9232 omg yes if yall are near Australia I am down
I hope they keep working on this. it looks like a project they really, really want to get done but done right
They need to focus on the coop content, not the pvp content. That’s the problem.
@@Dr.Oofers that isn't the problem, they didn't have the money
I remember playing a shooting range game that was basically a showcase of this on Kongregate called Bullseye or something back in high school. I was hooked up and years later I totally forgot about it, since there was no news about the game. Damn shame.
Kongregate is gone now too
@@oz_jones died with flash. good thing we have flashpoint!
bullseye was amazing, gun flet better than what we got now even
@@oz_jones still have phone games, like papa, they live on through phones
With so many games just being cheap cash grabs its genuinely depressing hearing about a real attempt to make something great that just didn't get the boost it needed. If these guys are truly still working on this game I hope they get that big break
Ready or not made the same mistake by focusing on multiplayer at the beginning but eventually gave us a rather fleshed out coop and single player swat game. its now one of the biggest swat games at the moment. Imagine if interstellar marines actually decided to focus a bit of its time and give us a taste of that land shark instead of just constantly focusing on multiplayer pvp. Both these games followed the same trajectory at the beginning but one released something while the other just kept talking about releasing something.
Ready or not got publisher, which gived a big startup for them. Try do something without money, dumbbell
That's what I hated about Ready or Not. "Let's just advertise Ready or Not as basically SWAT 5, then make it a multiplayer focused game where you need a group to efficiently play."
@@simon123222 mfs with no friends be like:
"But every first person shooter needs pvp" some executive after Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, not realizing not every FPS is COD.
I remember the moment I realized things were really going off their stated path was when they (the devs) said that the reason they weren't adding night vision or anything to the game was because it was unbalanced for multiplayer.
Cannot stress enough that this game 100% deserves love and support from people. I've played this game a little bit before it officially came out, and being a fan of immersive FPS games, this immediately got my attention and support. What it offered at the time, even in it's infancy, was mind-blowing and I couldn't wait for more things to do, since it lacked in that department. Now imagine fostering a love for something like this to see it die before it even grew up and see that people are review bombing it into oblivion.
I truly miss this game.
Tl;dr Good game, doesn't deserve the bad reviews.
Uh.. Nah. A game that takes two decades to be released definitely does deserve bad reviews.
@@perochialjoe well, their entire team are gone as of 2021. Kim is the only one that are still around. And he had to take care of his mother.
Really not understanding gaming culture sometimes. Too much crybabies. And yet they mock Karen.
@@dadqqader thing is, people don't care that much about the process, only the results. And that's true in any industry. And here, the result is clearly an almost abandoned game, hence the negative reviews
@@perochialjoe The time it takes a game to release is not an indication of it's quality. Losing all your funding and going from a dev team of 20 to 1 means it will take 20 times as long to release ya know.
I discovered this project waaay back in 2010-11. And the thing that blew my mind other than the cool setting, is that the game initially ran on their own website, you could play this game in a browser. Unity was just trying to open their wings at the time, but I grew up playing flash games, and knowing you can open up firefox or chrome etc. playing such a high quality game compared to the usual side scroller bike games, this was very surprising for me.
Late to the party, but whoa, they're still at it? Tip of a hat to that, I was under an impression this was cancelled ages ago. I actually didn't know this started out on Unreal prior to it going free - that was so long ago that typing that made me feel old.
I hope that some big publisher can get their team back together to finish the game. Its kinda sad because the devs really wanted to get their game out.
Ah, this game was a real shame. I got it quite cheap, so getting 35 hours out of it was worthwhile. I never cared for the pvp aspect, but the pve missions currently in the game are genuinely brilliant.
Ill never forget this game, could have been a sci fi version of ready or not if they played their cards a bit better...
I remember playing the multiplayer when it was alive
And it was a laugh when the most common form of communication is "oops" cause we'd keep killing each other.
Interstellar Marines is one of gamings biggest tragedies if you ask me. The foundations of the game are amazing and the devs are passionate but unfortunately they were unable to get the support they needed.
Such a shame. I always wanted this game to succeed. It definitely exhumes the Raven Shield vibe which was my first multiplayer experience. That MP experience is something I will continue searching for and probably won't find.
You're right, this one is kind of depressing. This guy/team wanted to actually make something they really liked, and just got shafted every bit of the way. I hope someone like THQn picks them up so they get funding.
This video highlights how the importance of good sound design is severely over-looked in 99% of the gaming industry. People always think "We have 5 major senses, and we use two to perceive games.....WE NEED TO FOCUS ON FRAMERATES!!!"
Remember how those games you love from the past were able to fully immerse you, without 4K and 120fps? That's because sound is more important than visuals when trying to convey a 3d space in a 2d medium. As graphics improve, your eyes will still confirm to you that yes, you're looking at a 2d display simulating a 3d space.
But the ears....well the ears are more gullible, and if you hit them with just the right frequencies at the right equalizations, they'll convey a 3d space to your brain far better than your eyes.
Sound engineer says.... yep. The same problem happens in the indie filmmaking process. People think so much about the camera shots and lighting they forget to make sure the actors can be heard. It becomes a rude awakening.
Great sound design works great on PC. Not so much on console when the majority of people use terrible built in TV speakers.
@@SkarthManadragon yeah but that's not a PC/console issue - monitors have poor speakers as well - it's a listening device issue. Hesdset or 5.1 at least is the way to go
True for movies too. Dune and Bladerunner 2049 won me over on the sound. Saw each in imax several times just for the sound system
@@HydratedBeans You have good timing, while I saw it a year ago for the first time I've been obsessing over the 2021 Dune film lately. I just made a group of friends and family all watch it two days ago hahaha.
And I personally listen to film scores as my personal music listening choice, and Hans Zimmer is far and away my favorite.
Best composer of our time in my opinion.
Man of Steel and Dune being my favorites. What's crazy is if you listen to the recurring themes in Dark Knight, then Man of Steel, then Dune, he uses the same 3-note motif in all of them, just with vastly different executions.
With FPS PvP its difficult to maintain public, there is a ton of this type of game. They should just focus on the singleplayer and coop, horror FPS is rare, tactical PvE. The game was just another FPS, what it had different from other multiplayer FPS?
multiplayer/competitive games are significantly much easier to make than a singleplayer/cooperative game. it's why a majority of HL2/source mods from back in the day like neotokyo or hidden were exclusively multiplayer focused.
you don't have to worry about designing enemies, coding AI, designing levels around them or even writing a story.
@@xsoultillerx I didnt say it ts difficult to make, I said it is difficult do maintain public
A friend gifted this to me years ago, has no clue what it was and thought it was another indie cash grab. Seeing this actually puts it all in a new light. Its actually sad seeing people funding obvious scams while we let games like this die off.
“I was wrong about you, your not greedy…”
“Your backstory is just really depressing”
-Raiden probably
How are you able write YOUR twice in the same sentence, and think it doesn't mean the same thing ?
*YOU"RE not greedy. YOUR is synonymum for something like HIS, HER, OUR, etc.
@@TomLehockySVK 🤓
You know, the game concept was amazing, but what went wrong wasn't just *one* thing but *a lot of things* at the same time, cascading on itself.
This game's sound design is absolutely amazing. It's incredibly immersive. Shame they made so many mistakes and didn't focus on the coop, which should have been its main point. It's a tragedy what happened to it, I'd have loved to play the Unreal versions of it.
Of all your What Went Wrong videos, this is probably the most unfortunate of all of them, because what they're going for with the emphasis on immersion, the helmet and the hud, all of it still makes for a unique experience having played it myself, even with what little there is currently. I'm hoping Interstellar Marines can see completion someday, but even if it doesn't, I enjoy it for what it is.
Man, two decades of struggling to keep your head above water simply due to loving your idea too much to let it go down without swinging. How many devs can you think of who still think like that, these days?
Dang if only they retried with something like Patreon I feel like it could work well with it it seems like a really cool idea and a really well developed game. I hope one day it's able to be restarted the game looks really good especially for an indie title it looks better than triple A nowadays. Definitely has that GTFO vibe which has been going strong so there's definitely an audience.
man, I remember tuning into flash game websites to play their shooting range demo and being so hyped for this game
I played the hell week gamemode a ton back when it came out in 2015 and still have a bunch of fond memories of it, even winning a few games back before BR games were big. All the great realistic multiplayer TDM matches reminded me of airsoft or paintball tournaments and the immersive coop experience formed my tastes in games like Escape From Tarkov or Ready or Not and the like.This game was hugely ahead of its time and it was such a heartbreak to see this game slowly die out the way it did.
Reminded me a lot of Daymare 1998, the confined and dark environments, other than that, very different games
Just had a look at that game and year it's got a similar vibe about it
@@WickedWiz Just be aware if you wish to play with a m+k Daymare has forced mouse acceleration that cannot be disabled and no fov options. Damn shame as it otherwise looks like a solid resident evil style game. :(
It's really sad to see this game fall
they weren't a company like code }{atch making shitty games and scamming people
it seems like they really tried and its an amazing concept
And I believe it might have really helped if they added the ability to make costume mission by the community
And it might have helped a lot specially during the times they're low on funding and keep people to stay interested
Man I remember this game. I was one of the first forum admins / alpha tester (not just in early access) / "fan who the devs knew and acknowledged" when it was at its peak of popularity (I'm still friends with/connected with their main PR guy Bozar) and when they finally developed and released some singleplayer content. I helped stream the first MP tournament they ever did. Shout out to Katrina, you know who you are, and you are a _god_ at this game. Always loved being on your team
SCP: Pandemic, very similar concepts. Saw a video of it and instantly reminded me of this.
Just looked it up, will keep an eye on it and see how it turns out
It’s a shame it’s basically just a zombie shooter at the moment.
i will always remember this game as it was one of the first games my grandfather had on steam back in 2008 so it's a shame it got abandoned
Just coming to this video and it hits me with a huge wave of feelings and nostalgia. Seeing some of the old footage I recorded for the game in this video really throws me back and feels bittersweet that the team had the financial struggles it did. Interacting with the community was such a great experience and I still have a lot of love playing with people in this game. I still want to see the game live up to the potential it had and seeing Kim's passion for the game was very inspiring, man is definitely one of the most driven people I got to know.
Its so defeating to know that this game was unsuccessful not from mismanagement or being revealed as a scam, but from factors almost entirely out of the team's control.
This game is very nostalgic for me, I got it during its heyday and played it CONSTANTLY with friends of mine. Its genuinely a decently solid game but it just never went anywhere which sucks.
That is so funny you mention this game cause i remember it being covered in one of the Game Magazines back in the day where they review certain upcoming titles... and i just went " Man what ever happened to that obscure doom looking game " back then all i knew was its name was "Project IM" if i remember correctly.
Wishing them luck, what a crazy bumpy ride.
Having recently played GTFO, Interstellar marines have obviously a lot of similarities with GTFO! I'm so happy that the spirit of this game kinda lives on.
Graphics isn't everything, even if this game was to be completed few years later it'll still have a really solid playerbase due to just how unique and cool this concept is
When this game was first announced I was so hyped. The developers did a great job of communicating with their Fanbase and updates were pretty frequent. I was totally heartbroken when disaster struck their studio and they announced more or less that they would stop development. I had some genuinely great times in those multiplayer matches early on in the game. ZPS, thanks for all the fun times, and I hope you’re all doing well
I remember buying the 4-pack I think for me and my friends and we played during the winter update 2013 or 2014 I can't remember. It was a good game. I hope that the team gets to release it eventually and that their dream comes true. I believe in you devs!
Actually one of my first games i ever bought when i first got steam. Its wild to see such a tale. I wish i played it more and cherished it
Wicked, wiz
Hello
Hey thank you for the new video!🤩
I was honestly hyped for this many years back when it first hit steam. It was damn awesome looking and all the stuff they wanted to do with it.
Im still happy that i got it. I hope that they do finish it.
I still love it. I still play it, and very often too. A true tactical FPS experience. Wargames mode is my second home. I met dozens and dozens of friends on this game's maps. The community has always been great. The development and funding history is tragic, but the dev's resolve and determination is humbling. This game so deserves to come to proper fulfillment. See you on the battlefield, marines! Let's kick some bot backside!
Great, honest review.
I love this game, I joined the community in a really low point in my life and the awesome forums, awesome devs, and awesome members really helped me. It's a shame the game is currently dead but who knows, miracles can happen.
For the love of the game
When this came out, i was immediatly on board. I love immersive sims and scifi and was really looking forward towards the coop campaign. Its just sad that it died
Your videos are amazing, thanks for providing such indepth looks into these games.
this game still looks pretty good even now. Like its so close to being good. I could totally see my friends playing this
Saddest story. Man, this game could have been amazing. After playing that scary mission in SWAT4 I always dreamed why no one ever took this approach. I mean SWAT4 is a scary game in itself, just opening a door and expecting things go south was a nerve-wrenching experience. Now imaging combining hardcore tactical game like SWAT mixed with a proper horror game. IM even managed to make superbland robots to be the scariest monster ever, imagine what the game could be if they finished it. Focusing on sci-fi horror is a way to go for IM, there aren't many games like that out there.
I interviewed one of the devs of this in college for an assignment, was really hoping it would turn out.
Man I remember seeing this game getting torn to bits by total biscuit of all people, had forgotten about it till now
I was so hype for this game from like 2013-2017, completely forgot about it until now. Tragic.
Well first time hearing about all this stuff, but I hope everyone involved is doing okay. Sounds really stressful and kinda disheartening, so I just wish them the best and hope they can craft their dream the way they truly want and can.
Somehow sad to have it confirmed that zero point was really as well meaning as they seemed to be. I remember playing it throughout its development and thinking that it seemed like they have a good base and that soon they would hopefully be able to expand features and make it more enjoyable to play. Makes me wonder if maybe their code is spaghetti or maybe its just the 90-90 rule.
Anyways, there's still room in my heart for land sharks. I'll even re-buy the game if I can blast some land sharks. Or maybe some more satisfying feeling multiplayer game mode with like rounds and stuff (maybe they added that already and I just missed it). Or maybe it's time for the core team to put their expertise into a new way less ambitious project using some of the tools they've already built
your vids are always so good put together and i can tell you do your research, keep it up man!!
CONGRATS ON 100k 🎉🎉🎉
This actually makes me really sad, I remember playing the early demos of this game, and having my socks knocked off because of how good it was. I remember maybe 5 years ago I tried to play multiplayer, and it ended up being just me in a dead server. I really do hope that eventually this game gets the funding it deserves, because it is such a phenomenal masterstroke, it doesn't deserve to go out like this.
Man this seems like a lifetime ago... my first early access game I ever bought at 13 years old
Truly enjoyable analysis of the topic, completely hooked on your what went wrong series, mate! Keep it up!
Thanking you for bringing awareness to this game, it definitely deserves it
Ngl I can be okay with the game being un-finished, I just wish that the community came back to life and gave a breath of fresh air to the game via workshop or mods
community is still there.
Hope dies last, right?
@@_oro a true chad mode of thinking
I really don't understand Kickstart funders.
Random group of 15 year olds: "Give me like 500k and I'll make a physically impossible gadget with no practical use whatsoever. Idk, like a air powered umbrella or smthn."
This group: "If we can get just 500k, we'll make a video game that is unlike any seen before, but in a way that is possible to achieve while still pushing the boundaries! In fact, here's something you can play to test it out!"
Damn, I did not think this would be enjoyable, but I love binge-watching all your videos about games I never even heard of!
Keep up the new what went wrong series bro getting really good.
Played this game quite a lot back in the day, was even a part of the competitive scene that it had for a short time. Saw some good names in the player list on this video, and hoping that the devs are able to sort stuff out and rejuvenate the game if they do still plan on finishing it.
Was lucky enough to play it in 2011 forward, (the TR system was implemented in 2013 as a part of their early access release update iirc, or the one just after that. It's been a while) and had a bunch of friends playing it as well. We all kinda trickled out due to newer games releasing and the lack of significant changes to the way IM played. We all still like it, but things like lack of teased enemies, even in the showroom area, were what drove us out. I appreciate their attempt at minor mechanic changes, and understand a lot of things changed with the move to Unity. Their priorities features-wise really started to break down as time and problems piled up, though. (If I remember right, many of their members were affected by the previous Ukraine conflicts several years ago, though they may be affected by the current ones as well. I'll not speak for them there, though.)
If they do come out of the woodwork swinging, though, I'm definitely jumping back on board.
Many dislike this game, but IMHO it's great, with big potential. I wouldn't mind if they try to reboot the development - via KS or publisher.
It was a tonne of fun, great community. Multi was irritating sometimes, but hell how much addictive it was as well.
And if they could smash System Shock, HL and Rainbow 6 together - that would be an absolute hit.
If this game ends up still existing when I go looking for it, I’d support it. This video alone has shown how dedicated the devs are, how passionate it is. And the game still looks good. Visually, it seems to hold up. It has some charm.
I wish I’d known about this back in its heyday, I’d play it even now.
I've been on a binge of these What Went Wrong? videos, and my immediate thought was damn, this actually looks pretty good, especially for the time. It seems this one is a bit less of a failure than the others.
I don’t know if you’ve ever played it, but Ghost Recon Phantoms by was an amazing game that I played back in middle school that eventually got shut down. I don’t remember why, but it could be a story to be considered for a “what went wrong” video
The big problem with that game was that it was pay to win as hell so most people just quit after a few hours.
If you ever see a crowdfunding project for a AA to AAA quality game with a target as low as $100k or lower, run. Don't walk, run. Game development is an incredibly expensive endeavor and 100k is at best like 1 years salary for maybe 4 or 5 people, without accounting for taxes to be paid.
These guys asked for 447k pounds which was $715,000 (1.6x exchange rate to usd in 2012) or $800k in today money (12% accumulative inflation since then).
They only got *backed* enough to 117k (pounds!), which is still over $200k today, but I dont think they got any of it because it didnt reach their goal which was not 100k
@@hashbrown777 their goal method is all or nothing unfortunately. So basically they got nothing.
This is even more tragic than those abandonedware. He really need to make another Kickstarter. Or atleast allow donation through skin dlc or whatever. An honest dev like this should be supported not stomped on.
@@hashbrown777 My point wasn't only about them, you watch this channel there's an obvious reoccurring theme.
In fact my point was in support of the developer here trying to go for a bigger more realistic number that they needed.
bro 100k is one year salary for one eprson not 4 or 5.
@@prydzen Depends where in the world we are talking about.
But also, if it's a passion project of a closely knit group of indies they might be willing to do the work for minimum wage and further compensation via royalties later, or even each working in their respective areas part-time perhaps.
Man. I remember this game from the time it first appeared. I had completely forgotten about it.
I just realised after watching your what went wrong series, that I fell and bought into 3 of the 5 games you have made videos about, god damn.
From what the devs said they _wanted_ to be their game, especially their ambition to create an immersive shooter, I couldn't help but think _"This sounds _*_a lot_*_ like E.Y.E: Divine Cybermancy"_
I recall there being an issue with them mistakenly selling a ton of "Spearhead/founder" keys on Humble Bundle for a couple bucks each or something, costing them a lot of potential revenue.
Been following this one since it was just a Unity PvP arena browser game and have about 180 hrs on Steam. Really unfortunate the game never came together. I still play a round of Wargames every now and then, even if the last couple updates seem to have made it kinda janky with rubber banding and other stuff like the suppressor animation breaking.
This definitely isn't a "StarForge" kind of early access game. It's just really sad to see it flounder with such a passionate developer. I hope some day it gets revived, however unlikely that may be at this point.
I don't think it was that big an issue since that implies a lot of those people would have bought the game full price outside the bundle anyway, it was more a controversy because a lot of the playerbase who payed more for the game and supported it felt it was not fair to them giving the game away so cheaply. There was another time they gave away500 keys for free though because Kim got a bit crazy in a stream and went "How about next time EVERYONE gets a key?", to the dismay of bozar that had to mail out each of them manually...
Woah, I never heard of that. 500 keys? wtf lmao
I remember being really stoked for this back in the day.
Interesting to hear what happened to it :)
I bought this game in 2014, it's wild to see someone covering the tragedy of this project. I never enjoyed the multiplayer like most of the community but I loved the suspense of the solo missions. I still have yet to find a game with this flavor of sheer panic when things go poorly in a matter of seconds and the AI attempt to hunt you down. I hope that this game comes back some day because I think it has a unique corner of the immersive simulator market if it focuses on the spooks and quick encounters amidst exploring the levels for objectives.
The and the agriculture floorboard army oil change backpack spinach tablecloth bacteria the the bacteria drywall plywood storm drain 💪😎
(English not language the first)
Wut
The bacteria the on the floor
Don't really remember pvp being accepted all that fondly. I mean the whole original hook for it was pve coop and all that and instead of that we got yet another pvp... my personal interest dropped because of that.
Now that's an early access title sitting in my Steam library that I don't even feel angry rather just sad. I remember this game having such good mechanics for an early access game, great atmosphere and the few level the devs really know how to create the tension and replace it with adrenaline in the climax.
Now that me and the boys have moved on to titles like GTFO or Tarkov, it really feels like that's what this game could've become. The similarity and feelings are all there. Imagine this game could've had the players fighting rogue machine legion, infiltrating enemy base or straight up Starship trooper on some bug planet, it would've filled the holes of the market at that time. However, now It is against many other successful titles in the genre. It is too late now, although I am still hoping that one day... ...
Thx for the vid. I am so gonna get this in the next sale.
lol this was on the psn store for vita never came out though
The vita got so let down by Sony it’s such a shame.
Man just imagine what could have been if these devs got the kickstarter funds and stretched into Millions. Today im used to seeing scams with multimil raised, but this is actual game that would boom if development wasnt constricted by budget.
This was one of the first and last games I bought on early access and it still plays better than many "AAA" games out there.
It's atmospheric, the gameplay and gunplay are amazing even for it's time and it still holds up today.
Too bad it never went forward.
This honestly still looks great, definitely deserves another kickstarter attempt.
I worked on this game for many years as the only animator, and I animated everything from marines to land sharks to robots. It was an absolute blast to work on this game, and the game director Kim, is without a doubt the most passionate and real person I have ever known, and his ideas and vision for this game, is beyond anything we have seen to this date still..
But it was like the universe did everything to stop the game from being developed, it was so hard back then to get attention and publishing deals. And we had to switch engine in the middle of it all, from Unreal to Unity, which was a huge set back. But we SHOULD have stayed with Unreal because it went free shortly after we switched, like I said, everything was against us apparently.
We created a pretty damn cool Demo/vertical slice in Unreal (which you didn't mention, although this was a really good video from you, and very well researched 🙂). The demo had the land sharks, and they where roaming the space station randomly like the robots, and created some really intense scary moments, all dynamic.. The level had Huge water tanks with sharks swimming around too.. I mean, that was a really cool demo. But because of Epic and Unreal at that time, we couldn't show or promote the demo anywhere, unless we payed Epic a big amount of money, that we didn't have, because all the money went straight to the production... I mean, it's easy to blame the universe and everything else for our struggles.. but it honestly felt like it.
Anyways. Thank you for making this video, and being very professional about it. It's very easy to bash games for their flaws, but you didn't.. Again.. Thanks for the video ❤
I loved playing this game's multiplayer back in 2013 and 14, thank you so much for putting your time and effort into it! I LOVED the sound and light, the atmosphere was incredible and your work really added to it!!
Never heard of this game, But I applaud you for your work and love for crafting games and their animations. Please keep working on things and stay in the industry, there are many dev groups that need good animators. Also mod groups as well, I hope life has been treating you well and thanks for the inside information!
We could try to convince big RUclipsrs to play the game together to increase exposure and interest
PLS POST MORE !!! I ALREADY WATCHED ALL YOUR VIDEOS 😭
The idea is freaking awesome, I remember seeing this as a kid and wanting it so bad. didn't have a computer at the time though so I forgot about it.