The engine does not have to be dropped out of the bike to change the bolt in question. If the bolt fails then yes because of damage the engine does have to be dropped. Does not matter if it's DCT or MT. It's not a bad procedure to replace the UBS/Finale Drive Bolt or ISG bolt. And the bolt has nothing to do with the transmission,,,, Nothing! Disconnect the battery. Drain the oil. Pull the Integrated Starter Generator (ISG). Pull the radiator overflow tank and evaporation canister. Disconnect five electrical plugs and remove the bracket they are mounted to. Remove the clutch cover housing. Pack the engine with clean rags and remove the bolt and washer. The bolt goes into the end of the crankshaft. The starter drive gear, finale drive gear, finale drive spider gear and timing reluctor are all mounted to the end of the crankshaft. Change the bolt out, tq it down to spec and put it back together with a new clutch cover gasket. Replace the oil filter and fill it with oil. It's a basic/elementary repair. While in there check the ISG Bolt if not replace it. Honda also knows about ISG Bolt issues. They have been know to backout and eat up the ISG coupler. Also of note Honda changed the part number for the crank the same time they changed to UBS/Finale Drive Bolt part number. My gut is telling me Honda has a harmonic issue. Why would they change the part number of the crankshaft the same time they changed the bolt part number? Unaccounted for harmonics can destroy bolts, hardware, rotating elements and parts connected to the harmonic producing part. So we will see if Honda is trying to sweep a harmonic issue under the rug. After all they have known of these bolt failures since 2018, changed part numbers updated parts for MY2022 bikes. And late 2024 there dragging feet for a recall. Cruisman I would hope you have a service manual. You can see what needs to be done and where the bolt is in the service manual. It's not rocket science.... Good Luck everybody!!!!
Post Covid supply chain product metallurgical anomalies. Was at DFW Honda Powersports in Grapevine, Texas today. Thank you Jacob! DFW Honda Powersports rocks! Mark the Master Service Technician is the very best.
Thank you, Chris. Nice additional information and evolution of the understanding of what has happened and the fix going forward. I'm helping my friends here in WI with this by sharing your info and discussing with them too.
I spoke with my dealer's service manager earlier in the week. We discussed both methods of replacing the bolt. He said that they don't have the service bulletin yet and don't know what Honda would recommend. He said it could be three weeks or more before they know.
I called my dealership in spearfish, South Dakota to schedule an appointment for the fuel pump recall and ask about the engine bolt service bulletin. They searched my VIN and did see there were two recalls listed for it. One for the fuel pump and one for the engine bolt and they did have the service bulletin for the engine bolt. However, they told me at this time they could only do the fuel pump recall because they were not authorized by Honda to do the engine bolt recalled yet. They said they wouldn't be able to do anything on the engine bolt until I have a letter from Honda.
If my bike were subject to the recall, I would not attempt to change the bolt on my own, for the same reason I did not change my recalled fuel pump. If the dealer does the work, Honda would know about it and if anything went wrong, they would likely warranty it. If you did the work and something happened, Honda may not warranty it. Why take the chance?
So, my riding friend's 2018 GW now shows the safety recall on the online "my garage" Honda site for his VIN. In it says for certain 2018-2024 GL1800 Goldwing Motorcycles in the body of the message, where as the title is 18-21 GL 1800 Primary Bolt. So it sounds like some 2024's could be recalled. Questions are: 1) Is it a bad batch of bolts? 2) Bad initial bolt material spec? 3) Bad bolt sizing? The permutations and subsequent impacts are numerous. You would also expect the manual transmission versions to be more prone in that higher torque loads on the bolt could occur from less than optimum rider controlled down or upshifts. Dealers here in Houston have not yet been officially informed regarding the repair. This seems very un-Honda like for something like the ultra reliable Goldwing. P.S. I ride a 21 Harley RG Ltd. Surprisingly, it's been very reliable unlike previous Harley's--they finally got the M-8 right after 3 years. P.S.S. You should give extra points on your comparison for floorboards (real ones) on your bike comparisons. They help alot after a few hours on the road and still work when wearing heavy riding boots.
Be careful, this bolt is loosened in reverse, it has a left-hand thread, and torque of 83NM. you have to remove the fuel tank, alternator, clutch cover and on the top you have access to the bolt, important, I repeat, it has a left-hand thread.. I know what I'm talking about, I've disassembled this engine twice.
I am NOT going to worry about it. 2020 DCT here. I have 22K, so far and she runs soooo sweet and I am a rough on her and use Sport Mode heavily. By the time, I will get a letter from Honda, it will take my dealer almost a year to touch the surface of the amount of GW in Central NJ. Forget it. I actually forgot about it, till you made this video...LOL.
Thanks for the update. My worries are I don’t have any trusted Goldwing mechanics in my area. I’m not really concerned about the bolt failing in my 2021 but I am concerned about the resale value if I ignore the recall. I may be over reacting but I’m actually thinking about trading mine in for a 2024. I do have almost 60K on it and Southern Honda just dropped their Goldwing pricing to below 2021 pricing. Super tempting! I wonder if that means the 2025s are coming out soon?
I don't think the 2025s will be out until after the first of the year, and I suspect Honda is delaying the release to allow dealers to clean out their 2024 inventory. That said, I highly recommend Southern Honda for a great deal. Although, they may try to sell you on an extended warranty that I am not sure you need on a brand new Goldwing. You can always add it later.
Remember '76 was the first year of GW so maybe it stands to reason 2026 for the 50yr anniversary might be the next whopping big change, '25 wouldn't make sense😉
@ I thought it was 1975. I do remember seeing it when I was 20ish but certainly don’t remember the exact year. I did look it up and most accounts say 1975 though some sites are saying 1972 so I’m a bit confused.
@@unicornhairhead I believe they did a precursor model in '72 as a prototype but the first production assembly line model was the 1975 GL1000 come to find out.. So now I think the great big redesign should be '25 for the anniversary that may still be a secret, I'll be interested to see what that looks like if they do anything significant... It was already mentioned maybe they're keeping it under wraps so peopble will buy out all the 24s because if they introduced the '25 too soon the 24s won't sell
Please explain why people make so much about these recalls on motorcycles but not Automobiles. It’s a recall. Things break, parts break. I for one am sick of this end of world if it breaks. It is replaceable. Life goes on with or without material things. It should be noted that I have had 5 recalls on my Ford Maverick and still drive it. I have had one recall on my Goldwing that I have 2024 but I still ride it. Will I buy another ford or Honda, yes. Get over it people. We never had all this crap before the internet. If it broke we fixed it and went own our way. Why it broke who cares, everything is replaceable. Rant over.
Another good one! Wish I had a new Goldwing, closest one I had to a Goldwing was a 2001 Valkyrie 1500, Interstate, 6 CYLINDER, 6 CARBS. Anyway, my question is: do you still rock your Sena helmet? I love mine, best speakers I have ever had, had many over the years but these Harman Kardon's are awesome! Sena helmet less than half the cost of a Shoei Neotec 3 with the same Sena com system($1400-1500).
Hey cruiseman ,i watched max's video as well and he said the same as you you will just coast to the side of the road ,but im pretty sure the goldwing docs video said it will lock the back wheel up . if honda have a stop sell order out why would it take so long to notify customers if they know what vin # range it runs through in fact they should be working on this 24/7 not relying on dealers and you tubers to get the word out about this fault . I believe max said he would not accept an engine back if this had happened to it as it would never be the same as when it was built and i have to agree with him ,i wonder who supplies the boltsbig compensation problem there if it is a metallurgcal fault , i wouldnt want to be trying to sell a goldwing in the 2018 -2021 range at the moment i dont think you would get may calls in fact i have noticed a few 2018 on the market just recently . Unfortunately being an engine there is always the chance something can or could go wrong it will be a blow to honda but lats hope they get it sorted quickly .
I have seen the Goldwing Docs video but I have not been able to verify his claim of locking up the rear wheel. I think if that was possible, Honda would immediately tell customers to stop riding their bikes until the repair had been made.
I was blocked from one several years ago and I can’t remember which one now. Basically, they don’t like the truth. If you challenge something factually that one of the site moderator … er, worshipers says, which is incorrect, they get mad and ban you. You have to worship at their altar without question or challenge.
@@LTVoyager True indeed. I had several run ins with them and argued but they did keep me in the GL1800 riders forum. I disagreed with their nicknames of Bullit and Glock as I live in a country famous for not having gun worshipping. All I want is an OPEN forum. If they think they are superior, they will fail as many before them have failed.
The engine does not have to be dropped out of the bike to change the bolt in question. If the bolt fails then yes because of damage the engine does have to be dropped. Does not matter if it's DCT or MT. It's not a bad procedure to replace the UBS/Finale Drive Bolt or ISG bolt. And the bolt has nothing to do with the transmission,,,, Nothing! Disconnect the battery. Drain the oil. Pull the Integrated Starter Generator (ISG). Pull the radiator overflow tank and evaporation canister. Disconnect five electrical plugs and remove the bracket they are mounted to. Remove the clutch cover housing. Pack the engine with clean rags and remove the bolt and washer. The bolt goes into the end of the crankshaft. The starter drive gear, finale drive gear, finale drive spider gear and timing reluctor are all mounted to the end of the crankshaft. Change the bolt out, tq it down to spec and put it back together with a new clutch cover gasket. Replace the oil filter and fill it with oil. It's a basic/elementary repair. While in there check the ISG Bolt if not replace it. Honda also knows about ISG Bolt issues. They have been know to backout and eat up the ISG coupler. Also of note Honda changed the part number for the crank the same time they changed to UBS/Finale Drive Bolt part number. My gut is telling me Honda has a harmonic issue. Why would they change the part number of the crankshaft the same time they changed the bolt part number? Unaccounted for harmonics can destroy bolts, hardware, rotating elements and parts connected to the harmonic producing part. So we will see if Honda is trying to sweep a harmonic issue under the rug. After all they have known of these bolt failures since 2018, changed part numbers updated parts for MY2022 bikes. And late 2024 there dragging feet for a recall. Cruisman I would hope you have a service manual. You can see what needs to be done and where the bolt is in the service manual. It's not rocket science.... Good Luck everybody!!!!
Post Covid supply chain product metallurgical anomalies. Was at DFW Honda Powersports in Grapevine, Texas today. Thank you Jacob! DFW Honda Powersports rocks! Mark the Master Service Technician is the very best.
Was DFW honda able to check and see if a bike is on the recall list?
@@DonKruse.Wing-Rider
Great question Don! I was there to pick up something. My bike being a 22, I didn’t even think to ask.
FIY Canadian owners: Transport Canada is aware and working with the NTSA and Honda Company in issuing a recall for Canadian bikes affected.
Thank you for the info Cruiseman!
Thank you, Chris. Nice additional information and evolution of the understanding of what has happened and the fix going forward. I'm helping my friends here in WI with this by sharing your info and discussing with them too.
Great update - lookin' forward to seein' yer step by step bolt replacement video
Thanks Cruiseman
I spoke with my dealer's service manager earlier in the week. We discussed both methods of replacing the bolt. He said that they don't have the service bulletin yet and don't know what Honda would recommend. He said it could be three weeks or more before they know.
I called my dealership in spearfish, South Dakota to schedule an appointment for the fuel pump recall and ask about the engine bolt service bulletin. They searched my VIN and did see there were two recalls listed for it. One for the fuel pump and one for the engine bolt and they did have the service bulletin for the engine bolt. However, they told me at this time they could only do the fuel pump recall because they were not authorized by Honda to do the engine bolt recalled yet. They said they wouldn't be able to do anything on the engine bolt until I have a letter from Honda.
Thanks Chris ,great info for our Goldwing community,will try get for breakfast one these days Chris Hurst TX 🇬🇧
FYI, Starting in November, we are going to start going to a once-a-month breakfast on the first Sunday of every month.
Thanks for the update Cruiseman. 👍
If my bike were subject to the recall, I would not attempt to change the bolt on my own, for the same reason I did not change my recalled fuel pump. If the dealer does the work, Honda would know about it and if anything went wrong, they would likely warranty it. If you did the work and something happened, Honda may not warranty it. Why take the chance?
So, my riding friend's 2018 GW now shows the safety recall on the online "my garage" Honda site for his VIN. In it says for certain 2018-2024 GL1800 Goldwing Motorcycles in the body of the message, where as the title is 18-21 GL 1800 Primary Bolt. So it sounds like some 2024's could be recalled. Questions are: 1) Is it a bad batch of bolts? 2) Bad initial bolt material spec? 3) Bad bolt sizing? The permutations and subsequent impacts are numerous. You would also expect the manual transmission versions to be more prone in that higher torque loads on the bolt could occur from less than optimum rider controlled down or upshifts. Dealers here in Houston have not yet been officially informed regarding the repair. This seems very un-Honda like for something like the ultra reliable Goldwing. P.S. I ride a 21 Harley RG Ltd. Surprisingly, it's been very reliable unlike previous Harley's--they finally got the M-8 right after 3 years. P.S.S. You should give extra points on your comparison for floorboards (real ones) on your bike comparisons. They help alot after a few hours on the road and still work when wearing heavy riding boots.
Be careful, this bolt is loosened in reverse, it has a left-hand thread, and torque of 83NM.
you have to remove the fuel tank, alternator, clutch cover and on the top you have access to the bolt, important, I repeat, it has a left-hand thread.. I know what I'm talking about, I've disassembled this engine twice.
I am left handed. Should I turn it then the other way? Asking for a friend.
I am NOT going to worry about it. 2020 DCT here. I have 22K, so far and she runs soooo sweet and I am a rough on her and use Sport Mode heavily. By the time, I will get a letter from Honda, it will take my dealer almost a year to touch the surface of the amount of GW in Central NJ. Forget it. I actually forgot about it, till you made this video...LOL.
Thanks for the update. My worries are I don’t have any trusted Goldwing mechanics in my area. I’m not really concerned about the bolt failing in my 2021 but I am concerned about the resale value if I ignore the recall. I may be over reacting but I’m actually thinking about trading mine in for a 2024. I do have almost 60K on it and Southern Honda just dropped their Goldwing pricing to below 2021 pricing. Super tempting! I wonder if that means the 2025s are coming out soon?
I don't think the 2025s will be out until after the first of the year, and I suspect Honda is delaying the release to allow dealers to clean out their 2024 inventory. That said, I highly recommend Southern Honda for a great deal. Although, they may try to sell you on an extended warranty that I am not sure you need on a brand new Goldwing. You can always add it later.
Remember '76 was the first year of GW so maybe it stands to reason 2026 for the 50yr anniversary might be the next whopping big change, '25 wouldn't make sense😉
@ I thought it was 1975. I do remember seeing it when I was 20ish but certainly don’t remember the exact year. I did look it up and most accounts say 1975 though some sites are saying 1972 so I’m a bit confused.
@@unicornhairhead I believe they did a precursor model in '72 as a prototype but the first production assembly line model was the 1975 GL1000 come to find out.. So now I think the great big redesign should be '25 for the anniversary that may still be a secret, I'll be interested to see what that looks like if they do anything significant... It was already mentioned maybe they're keeping it under wraps so peopble will buy out all the 24s because if they introduced the '25 too soon the 24s won't sell
@@seatime674 1975 was the first year...hence 2015 had a 40th anniversary model...
I’m guessing if the bolt fails not only will the engine stop running but there will be a serious amount of noise.
@@billparker7728 you would think
I don’t see the link that you were talking about!
Please explain why people make so much about these recalls on motorcycles but not Automobiles. It’s a recall. Things break, parts break. I for one am sick of this end of world if it breaks. It is replaceable. Life goes on with or without material things. It should be noted that I have had 5 recalls on my Ford Maverick and still drive it. I have had one recall on my Goldwing that I have 2024 but I still ride it. Will I buy another ford or Honda, yes. Get over it people. We never had all this crap before the internet. If it broke we fixed it and went own our way. Why it broke who cares, everything is replaceable. Rant over.
@@duggsdoggs3696 I agree! ☝️
well said!
Another good one! Wish I had a new Goldwing, closest one I had to a Goldwing was a 2001 Valkyrie 1500, Interstate, 6 CYLINDER, 6 CARBS. Anyway, my question is: do you still rock your Sena helmet? I love mine, best speakers I have ever had, had many over the years but these Harman Kardon's are awesome! Sena helmet less than half the cost of a Shoei Neotec 3 with the same Sena com system($1400-1500).
Hey cruiseman ,i watched max's video as well and he said the same as you you will just coast to the side of the road ,but im pretty sure the goldwing docs video said it will lock the back wheel up . if honda have a stop sell order out why would it take so long to notify customers if they know what vin # range it runs through in fact they should be working on this 24/7 not relying on dealers and you tubers to get the word out about this fault . I believe max said he would not accept an engine back if this had happened to it as it would never be the same as when it was built and i have to agree with him ,i wonder who supplies the boltsbig compensation problem there if it is a metallurgcal fault , i wouldnt want to be trying to sell a goldwing in the 2018 -2021 range at the moment i dont think you would get may calls in fact i have noticed a few 2018 on the market just recently . Unfortunately being an engine there is always the chance something can or could go wrong it will be a blow to honda but lats hope they get it sorted quickly .
I have seen the Goldwing Docs video but I have not been able to verify his claim of locking up the rear wheel. I think if that was possible, Honda would immediately tell customers to stop riding their bikes until the repair had been made.
Mr. Cruiseman, why are you banned from “several Goldwing forum websites” ?
they got sick of his superior tude and haughty behavior
I was blocked from one several years ago and I can’t remember which one now. Basically, they don’t like the truth. If you challenge something factually that one of the site moderator … er, worshipers says, which is incorrect, they get mad and ban you. You have to worship at their altar without question or challenge.
@@LTVoyager True indeed. I had several run ins with them and argued but they did keep me in the GL1800 riders forum. I disagreed with their nicknames of Bullit and Glock as I live in a country famous for not having gun worshipping. All I want is an OPEN forum. If they think they are superior, they will fail as many before them have failed.
@ I am sorry you live in such a country, but it is good to have choices.
VIN - "Vehicle Identification Number". Stop saying VIN number! Because you are stating "Vehicle Identification Number number. 🤦♂
literally EVERYONE says vin number
@@SP-xd8gs Like ATM machine.
@@SP-xd8gs And they are WRONG. I be you also have a "hot water heater" in your house.......
@FrankDank-ik7ic get a life. You probably reside in the Midwest I'm guessing
@@SP-xd8gs Well asshat, you be wrong again. Oh, and I have a great life. And pissing stupid people (like yourself) off, is just a part of it. LOL!!