THE RISE & FALL OF NO DOUBT (was it Gwen's fault?)
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What's behind the rise & fall of No Doubt? Was it Gwen's fault? I look at: No Doubt's early years as a ska band, Gwen Stefani and Tony Kanal dating, their breakthrough with "Tragic Kingdom," followup with "Rise Of Saturn," Gwen Stefani's solo career ("Hollaback Girl", "Let Me Blow Ya Mind"), their "Rock Steady" album, hiatus and Gwen Stefani on "The Voice." The rise and fall of No Doubt!
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0:00 Intro
2:37 The early years of No Doubt
8:52 Breakthrough with "Just A Girl" & "Don't Speak"
12:48 "Rock Steady" & Gwen Stefani's solo album
18:17 No Doubt's influence & impact 
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I would like to see something on Hale Storm. Good band great music. Definitely worth a look at! Thanks
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you should do a video on the rapper sematary.
if you do not know who that is i suggest you look in to him.
hes music is very strange and fresh i think a video on him would be great.
keep up the good work!
I can not believe how much plastic surgery Gwen has gotten very sad
K-Rock; do you mean KROQ?
I saw them play in a bar in Baltimore in 1992. I was too young to go in so I was just sitting on the curb outside when they rolled up in their van. I was like "holy crap, you're No Doubt!" The tour was such a bust that they were psyched that ONE person was there to see them. They took me in the back entrance with them and I hung out in the dressing room. Then we went downstairs and they did their set pretty much just for me. Afterwards we went back to the dressing room and hung out some more. I left with armloads of stickers and t shirts and they even sent a couple of postcards from the road during that tour.
When Tragic Kingdom blew up I posted that anecdote on an AOL chat with the band and asked if they remembered that night. They said that they still talked about it all the time. I would imagine doing a gig for an audience of ONE would be pretty memorable! Anyway, this video is right: They are really cool, nice people.
Amazing experience! Thank you for sharing
cool story
I know that Gwen was the face and voice of the band. But not including the whole band in photo shoots and interviews is never gonna end well.
Marilyn Manson?
They actually did, but somewhat she's all you see: ruclips.net/video/S1_UhpSLrxo/видео.html
Shouldn’t the band members have realised that!? Let’s be real. They were ‘photogenic’ nor did they sing. Plus, she’s the only girl in the group. It was inevitable.
Shame. I am not nor was I ever a fan of No Doubt, but the actual musicians of the band were top notch. Tony Kenal is a superb bass player. Not my thing, but I praise their skill.
Free speech: I’ve always hated pop, ska, dance, rap etc but have adjusted to it! (I didn’t have a choice after the last 40 years of it (especially the last 25!
"don't speak" gives me goosebumps still after all this years... love it ever since I first heard it back in the late 90th!
Brilliant track, should be top of any breakup playlist
Like a '90s "Dream On"
It’s the best pop song ever.
Soundtrack for my divorce. Still makes me cry.
That song aged really well yeah. It's one my work playlist and it doesn't get me hyped it's just super memorable and I can't not hear it on the regular
The problem I always had with No Doubt is they never recognized their horn section as part of the band.
Honestly it's why I never thought of them as a ska band I just thought of them as a band that played ska music
They really weren't part of the band though. Just like the strings often used by System of a Down weren't a part of SOAD.
@@seannanana84 Most people have no clue what Ska is, much less Rocksteady.
@@THE-X-Force If you're a ska band and you have the same horn section record and tour with you for the majority of your career, that horn section should be recognized as part of your band. If you're a heavy metal band that occasionally uses random string session musicians and doesn't bring them on tour then it's fine to treat them like session players. Big difference. Horns are essential to ska, they used the same people, and they toured with them so there is no legitimate reason why they shouldn't have been recognized as part of the band.
@@benjaminhoyt1421 I agree 100%
I saw them in 2003. It was one of the best shows I've experienced. They were touring with Garbage and the Distillers, which was an added bonus. Gwen had enormous amounts of energy and the band was super tight!
Me too I saw them coheadline with U2. Such a good show!
Killer lineup!
Saw her about 2005 with Rihanna (before she was such a big star). Enjoyed the show!
@@Canteen926 yeah, three great bands!
Me too! That was my first concert I ever went too when I was 12. Such an amazing show!
My wife and I are elder millennials and she always says ND is one of those bands that EVERYONE from our generation liked. She's not wrong.
Yep. I was a metalhead and I liked them. Helps that Gwen was and still is smoking hot, but the music was also catchy.
Good point! There was something about them that didn’t bother anybody haha. Gwen was super likeable and genuine, their music was very authentic and not chasing trends, and the songs were just pretty damn good overall
As a baby gen x (?) I concur. We just didn't have badass female vocalists that were around our age. Gwen kicked the doors down while singing and doing pushups on stage. Respect.
Everyone was neutral with no doubt, but that doesn’t mean you bought their stuff. I was primarily heavily into Nirvana, Alice in Chains, KMFDM, NIN, Marilyn Manson, Some Pearl Jam, Blind Melon, Beck, Etc.. And I like them but not something I would purchase though. There are 4 1/2 things I religiously bought NIN (Full discography including Singles), KMFDM (some their stuff was always $40+CND so I would have more than I have now if they would have been cheaper, so I have Nihil, KMFDM Sucks Single,Symbols, MDFMK, I supplemented my collection with the stuff my Friend has. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, And here is where you see my other likes Too Short I have a good chunk of his discography, Ice Cube, Easy E, Body Count, but now that I look at every Artist And what I have Purchased Hard Copy NIN and Eminem are the only Completes everything else I don’t own everything, You could also put Metallica on that up until Jason quit then I was kind of done. AC/DC I also own all the older stuff up to Razors Edge. I could go on an on with the Digital things I own but do you truly own a Digital Product? I’ve heard People getting things taken away, and that is BS a Company should have to provide you with a Physical Copy of the Retail Product if they are going to take something from you. 😡🤬😡🤯😡
I appreciate that ALOT of people liked them, but not me. Not hating at all. Respect their grind, just wasn't for me.
"Return of Saturn" has been in my top 10 albums since I was in college, and I'm turning 40 next month. It's always been a perfect go-to.
it has a special place in my heart, too. I love it so much
saturn is satan aka lucifer
Me too. I think it was their best album! I still listen to no doubt - everything in time (the b sides) fairly often, as well.!!
happy birthday for next month! 😃
@billy nomates Thank you so much! 😀
I was so unbelievably infatuated with Gwen Stefani when I was a teenager and thought she was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Even now some 30 years later she is still breath taking! I don’t blame her at all for blowing up like she did; I mean, just look at her!
She is amazing! I love her!
Not hot. Man shoulders
Yes
Gwen will always be the master of stage presence for me, Live in the Tragic Kingdom was the first time I ever noticed how important that skill is
She doesn't get enough credit for her stage presence and raw skill as a frontwoman and for inspiring many of the people who get praised for it instead. She was an absolute beast on stage.
@@ellaskrap Yup, like Hayley Williams lol
Word. I forgot, but watched some of their live shit from the 90's and was really blown away at how pro they really were, especially Gwen. I have not had the pleasure of seeing them live since 99 or so but the performance sticks with me as one of my faves.
Agreed. I watch a lot of their live shows they did in the 90s here on RUclips and I'm always blown away at how awesome she was to watch on stage. Lots of energy Her whole vibe just worked for the sound they were doing.
Boy, are you mentally ill 🙄
Gwen’s abs alone were legendary. Gwen x Tony also ridiculously good looking couple. Some of the best break up music for alt kids. RIP John. Glad they didn’t quit back then. Great examples of taking your personal pain, putting it into your art and creating magic right here.
Ummm, she was way too hot for him!
But was it even for "alt kids", though? I was far from alternative and I loved them. Everyone did. They were very much pop, imo.
@@sabrinashelton1997 I'd call them mainstream before calling them Pop. They weren't Backstreet boys, or Jessica Simpson, Brittany Spears..... more rock Alt Rock sound.
@@sabrinashelton1997 I'm an old hippy & "Don't Speak" came out the year of my divorce. It still makes me cry to hear it.
Lol! Huh? Tony is and always was fugly. No idea why she liked him.
The best you can do is to even have a rise. I saw them perform at Cal State Northridge. I was sitting on a lawn with probably a dozen people (at first) in the student union. It was 1990 I think. As a side note, I MISSED Rage Against The Machine's debut performance something like the following week. Alas, Gwen was incredible performing for such a small crowd. I went up and chatted with her after the show. Hell, we were both 20 years old and she was a sweetheart -- gorgeous dressed in overalls and a bra. She asked, "Will you help me distribute my flyers around the school?" And I said, "Of course!" I thought we would do that together, but she quickly split up to cover more ground! AAAggggh. She was an incredible performer and did seem destined to be a star.
CSUN has changed so much since then, they use to do shows all the time and had a Arcade in the student center, I was way to young to know who rage was but they do have a video on youtube of just the band ... so amazing! your lucky but also not lucky for missing rage
Haha...as I'm reading this, I am currently sitting at Cal State Northridge.
Their first two albums are so underrated. That self-titled album is an incredibly fun time.
Agreed though it took me 1.5 decades to realize just how good they were. I actually listened to them in full for the first time this year and was blown away but what I missed out on haha Tragic Kingdom was great but the first two albums were very nice as well, they totally nailed the ska sound.
“What you waiting for” is easily one of my most favorite pop songs. Gwen did the “weird girl” aesthetic way before Lady Gaga ever made it popular
That's also my favorite Gwen track...it kinda blew me away with how aggressive it was when I first heard it. Whenever she did pop music, if you really listen to it, she always did it with originality, putting hew own Gwen Stefani take on it. No one sounds like her.
The difference is Gwen made being the “weird girl” a trend that people adopted. Lady Gaga didn’t really bring a style people adopted, Gaga went more of the “shock rock” kind of aesthetic.
There were plenty of people doing all that decades before Gwen too
@@chrisnorman1902 it was always a thing where a singer would do something “shocking” look at Elvis. It was controversial when he shook his hips. It’s still in the be shocking vibe. They do it to stand out, get attention, sell their music, are young and going through a rebellious phase erc
Wow. Gwen has NEVER been “beneath Britney Spears”. 😑
I’d actually forgot how good ND were, so thanks Finn for talking about a band that deserves more recognition and praise in the ‘ska’ punk world.
they was never ska punk or ska or punk
@@jessiemartinez3056 cry more
@@Welcome2TheInternet lol naw you emo fool..screw sno doubt ! Haha...got em ! 😄
@@jessiemartinez3056 what would you call them then?
@@dariuscoates894 pop band with horn section
About a month or two ago my family and I were at the Mall (In Los Angeles county - Woodland Hills). We went into Sephora. My GF was looking around at make up and I went to grab a body wash. I came back to find her and she was like OMG that's Gwen Stefani. I turned, and sure enough, it was her! My GF got a photo with her. She was nice and was taking photos in front of her make up line. She even retweeted my GF! I put Tragic Kingdom up there with some of the best albums of the 90's (10/10)
Did you ask her about new ND music?
I love it, I'm in RI, but in the 80's, was a bouncer at The Hollywood Palace on Vine, personal trainer at Gold's gym in Venice Beach, and bartender at Starkey's Deli in the Beverly Center....I have so many famous celebrity stories, these are the coolest people I met: Cheryl Ladd, Charlie Sheen, Todd Bridges, Hulk Hogan, Teena Marie, James Woods, Kim Dawson, Patti LaBelle, and one client, Billy Paxton, THE coolest dude in Hollywood. P.S., can't believe I forgot this: spent one whole Saturday protecting David Lee Roth, larger than life, had about 1000 women all in black leather, fish nets, pumps, lined up Vine all the way to freeway, auditioning for Crazy From The Heat, which never materialized, super generous $ and lots of stamina if you catch my drift.
Never was a big No Doubt fan but I saw them perform live at Bamboozle in 2009 and they put on a helluva show. High energy, tons of enthusiasm. Gwen climbed up to where the stage lights were and was getting yelled at by her manager to get down the whole time LOL. Had a great time.
The band did an album in 2017 without Gwen. The project was called Dreamcar and Davey Havok was on vocals. I kinda loved it.
Great album!
It was seriously so good. Been waiting for a new one from them.
Dreamcar kicked ass
thank you for that info, i really like that album
Seriously a really great album
When I was a just a boy in the 90s, at summer camp, a counselor told me that he was dating Gwen Stefani and I thought it was so cool.
Then 20 years later I was like WAIT, THAT DUDE LIED TO ME!
That might have been me
@@Cyanoblades how.....dare you
That is messed up AND hilarious, and I too am guilty of telling a boldface lie to a kid to make myself feel better. Shame
@@samwest1097 🤣🤣🤣
Obviously 🤣
I've worked with an ex girlfriend before and we managed to keep things professional, but we weren't like... trapped in a bus with together for a month straight at a time. Kudos to Gwen and Tony, that's not an easy thing to do.
Tragic Kingdom is one of my all-time favorite albums. Not a bad song on there.
I like the album too, but some of the songs are pretty cringy lol
@@stevebanning902 we call that 90s chic
@@itmeurdad The 90s were an..interesting eclectic period when it came to what was one mainstream radio. I mean a Christian band "Jars of Clay" had a hit single that my local alternate/rock station was playing (who also plays NIN's Closer, talk about opposites).
@@theblocksays Flood?
@@TimmyTickle Yes, I believe that was the single.
I met Gwen and did not knew who she was till tragic kingdom. I was on leave in 93. Went to LA to visit some friends. Was at a Starbucks at 5am. Some lady was waiting in line behind me. I turned around and asked her if she wanted to share a French press. She said ok. Sat down and Gwen told me she was doing a gig and could not sleep. She told me she was in a band. I told her about my visit and how I was my first year of the Army. She was nice and pretty cool. In 95. I was at a Barracks party and saw a No Doubt poster. I was in shock. Saw No Doubt eventually with the Rock Steady album.
Yeah I remember hearing about it on the News.....it wasn't a crime initially tho right haha
I can't express how much I respect these people for staying together, keeping things professional and pushing forward for the greater good of each other through all these game ending tragedies and hurdles. They really got hit with every silver bullet and just kept walking.
The Beacon Street Collection has some of their best work. It’s a really good mix of their quirky first album and more catchy pop stuff from Tragic Kingdom. These guys were huge when I was a kid, as a 1994 baby by 2002 their songs flooded the radio, older stuff and the newer stuff. They were so dope and Gwen was always the coolest chick you wanted to be friends with and also wanted to take on a date at the same time.
I was just listening to Beacon Street today and man it's a killer album. Open The Gate, Total Hate, Greener Pastures... Good freakin stuff. Totally underrated release, some of the best ska/alternative there is. The musicianship is on a crazy level.
@@laurisaarinen1126 It honestly might even be my favorite release of theirs, even above Tragic Kingdom and Rock Steady. the album has a raw energy with some great ska and punk elements combined with the pop sensibility that would come to shape their later releases. underrated for sure!
Same. I actually listened to Beacon Street Collection album in full earlier this year after I got curious in hearing more Ska Punk music and was watching a Ska Punk compilation mix that featured "Total Hate" in it. I was like "Wait, that voice... Gwen? No way!"
I mean I actually had heard "Trapped in a Box" way back when I was a teenager but at the time, I thought it was an annoying song (My 14 year old self...) and I wasn't used to the Ska sound at all. But I eventually came around to really liking the song 5 years later when I was 18 but I never got around to actually giving the Beacon Street Collection album an actual listen until this year of 2022 and I'm so ashamed it took me so long to get to it because I agree with you completely, it's definitely one of their best albums.
I still really love Tragic Kingdom but Beacon Street is a force to reckoned with.
"Total Hate" from Beacon Street Collection is a nice little ditty. Features Bradley Nowell on guest vocals.
Sublime Saw Red with Gwen Stefani
one of their best songs! with that real ska punk sound and the sublime feature can’t beat it. real So-Cal shit
As their trumpet player, Stephen Bradley, once said, 'Gwen has the charisma of 10 000 people!'
I think she's annoying as F. It's all about me attitude...
Growing up in city housing as a young teen everyone was hard but I promise you everyone knew the words to most if not all of No Doubts songs, they hit that deep on a personal level. Loved that era of music.
Aw tragic kingdom was one of my first cds. Such an amazing piece of work. I got tragic kingdom, sublime's self titled, and dookie.. those albums were everything to me as a preteen and I still listen to them to this day 🖤
I've been a No Doubter since I saw them play at Dancing Waters in San Pedro in 1992. Then I saw them play at different colleges. Adrian has been a huge influence in my drumming carrier.
I knew John Spence, I worked at a punk rock clothing store in the OC. He and some of the other band members came in from time to time. He was really cool and we had some great chats about Reggae. It was very sad when he passed. The band had came and and we sold some demo cassette tapes for them. I don't know what happened to mine. There was actually as song called " No Doubt " on it. Horns and everything. Their live shows were great. I always followed them
Yes the song No Doubt is in the first few mins of this video, great song
I was in elementary school when tragic kingdom came out but I didn’t get into it until middle school and it was a defining moment in my life. It was one of my first CDs and I was literally obsessed with Gwen. I copied her style when I could. I took on a tough girl persona that I didn’t have before. I started playing instruments because of No Doubt. I remember that time fondly.
Spiderwebs was the first song I heard after 9 weeks of basic training in 1996 and it still brings back such good memories. Saw them in 1995 instead of going to a sadie hawkins/turnabout dance in high school too which was just such a great show. Such a great band, thanks for this vid Finn.
I was in basic on Dec 24 95 and saw No Doubt at rockfest in Dallas that summer while in tech school lol, great show.
@@michaelh370 Tragic Kingdom side A was in my walkman in my foot locker at the end of basic. The drills had given us a little break while we packed to go on to AIT so I put my headphones on and hit play. I still bump the hell outta that tune every time I hear it.
Spiderwebs is my favorite ND song. Gives me chills every time. The chorus is perfect and the reggae intro/outro is really cool and ties the song together.
Met Gwen on leave in LA in 93. Finally got to see her during the Rock steady tour. Nice story.
So you saw them live in 1995 but heard their first song in 96. Hmm..
I'm a brazilian girl born in 2000's. My firts contact with No Doubt was when I watched ''Simple Kind of Life'' music video on youtube and I fell in love with Gwen and her pink hair.
I'm a huge fan of the band and Gwen is my godess. But even with fans of alternative music they are not much popular, it's a shame but I listening to them almost every day since then.
It’s almost near impossible to explain how many times I heard Hollerback Girl in bars. That song was on a loop everywhere for solid two years. Couldn’t get away from it.
It wasn't any better for us who were kids-teens when the song came out. I was in eighth grade when the it came out and that song was played EVERY. SINGLE. MORNING on our school radio. You're right, you couldn't escape it lol
I wish I could have been a bar star like you.
I've been obsessed with Gwen Stefani since I was a kid and No Doubt by extension the past several years. Can't believe I'm finally getting a video recommended to me acknowledging them
Barf.
I remember No Doubt playing in Hawaii a long while ago, and it was during the time when Underneath It All was big. The song had a real island vibe so it caught on with a lot of locals, so it was hilarious seeing them playing this song and then playing their more ska-sounding or Tragic Kingdom sounds and see much of the crowd scratch their heads in confusion and bewilderment (except for Don't Speak). I had a great time lol
Just saw Gwen at Wonderfront in San Diego last Sunday, she still looks good and rocks, her encore was ‘holla back girl’ and she screams ‘THIS IS MY S***!’ obviously having a blast. Had a major crush on her in high school. I was really glad she covered all eras during the concert, I don’t think the other members were there with her 🤔 BUT if No Doubt tours again I will do my best to attend!
She has a really good plastic surgeon
@@merricat3025 She does. She’s had a ton of surgery and it looked natural but she was on a talk show recently and she did not look good at all. She was looking kind of like the cat woman of NYC or on her way to there. Gwen is obsessed with her looks.
You forget how many hits this band has had. It's crazy if you stop and think about it.
Exactly!
its not crazy
@@lordhallibel3604 definitely nothing "crazy" about it... there are countless bands with the same amount or more hits than no doubt
Someone posted No Doubt doing a lunchtime concert at CSU Fullerton just before Tragic Kingdom dropped. It's kinda surreal watching them, knowing that in short order they would be one of the biggest bands in the world.And my god, Gwen is radiant.
They didn't sell out. Everybody just suddenly realized how damn good they really ARE. I have all their music and It was SO cool to see them blow up and become huge. Idiots, jealous of their hard earned success hating on them for being successful. Damn but this band always rocks. Their music is so pretty it hurts!
Yeah, when I was a kid in the 90s, the term "selling out" got thrown around so much. Looking back now, there's a big difference between selling out and getting better/more successful as musicians after years of hard work and grinding on the road and growing up a little.
Beacon St. was my introduction to the band, but Tragic Kingdom was the album that took hold. And I *loved* Gwen’s first solo record, but the follow-up and that “Wind it Up” song just killed it for me.
Still, Tragic Kingdom got me through 1996-97, a REALLY tough time for me. I’ll always be grateful for that.
Still, Tragic Kingdom got me through 1996-97, a REALLY tough time for me. I’ll always be grateful for that.
Same.
Tragic kingdom was my era and I loved that record. Totally interesting history there Finn. Thanks for putting out consistently neat content!
My cousin worked with her brother Todd (I think that was his name) at the Wherehouse in Anaheim and he tried to really get their first album noticed. My cousin gave me a CD to check out and I was hooked. I used to go to all the small local gigs and see them play for $10. Good times.
Those are the best kind of shows. Upclose and personal.
Me too lol
Beacon Street is a great album. still holds up.
Saw them at a free show in like 92 at Cal State Fullerton. There's a video somewhere here on YT
I remember seeing them open for 311 right before they took off. Just a Girl was on the local college rock station but nowhere else. Never thought the band would be as big as they became.
Wish I saw No Doubt but saw 311 a few times
You had me at 311!
Yup, That's the first time i saw them was with 311 sometime in '96 i think. I was never a huge fan of their music but i was in love with any chic in the rock scene.
Shootyz Groove 3rd on the bill
Love how you said the media focused on Gwen more than the rest of the band ( which is true). Then made your thumbnail a picture of just Gwen. You are media. You made it.
Nice retrospective, Finn! I don't always agree with everything you say about bands, but I like that you always give them their fair shake and their dues for how they helped shape certain aspects of the music scene that they're involved in.
No Doubt are one of my all-time favorite bands, and it was because of seeing them on MTV Beach something-or-other performing Spiderwebs that cause me to want to give them a listen. There was a short period of time where I forgot what their name was, and thought they were called Arachnid because of the Spiderwebs song, and then when Just a Girl and then Don't Speak both came out, my brother and I ended up getting Tragic Kingdom a short time afterwards.
And it's actually hilarious that you referenced Super Mario 64 in this video, because I also associate Tragic Kingdom with that game! That Christmas, in 1996, my brother and I got our Nintendo 64. I would have been 13 at the time, and I remember getting Tragic Kingdom shortly afterwards.
My dad, who was living in Nevada at the time working in a mine, came up for our Christmas vacation that year, and we all played Super Mario 64 together, and my brother and I would listen to Tragic Kingdom. I remember all of the benchmarks along the way, and the ups and downs that I sometimes felt when Gwen Stefani started getting a lot more attention when the Southside and Let Me Blow Ya Mind videos came out.
I didn't really like Rock Steady when it came out, because I was still riding the high off of Return of Saturn, which is still one of my all-time favorite albums, and it was such a drastic departure, and I couldn't stand Hey Baby. In retrospective I really enjoy the album, and Underneath It All was my favorite song on that album, and I even like Waiting Room featuring Prince. I just picked up Push and Shove a few months ago, and I listened to it once and thought it was pretty decent, and made a playlist mix with the song Gravity on it. It wasn't the greatest album, but it wasn't bad either. No Doubt are seriously one of the tightest bands, and I have them to thank for getting me into ska and reggae a little bit more, along with 311.
You just nailed it. This wasn’t a video that I was waiting for although I must admit I think about the same as you do about this great band from Anaheim. I put Rock Steady album above Tragic Kingdom just like you did because of the people that were involved in it. I’m a reggae fan and for me to listen Bounty Killa and Lady Saw in an American band and knowing the fact they recorded this album in Jamaica with the reggae producer legends Sly and Robbie (those that were musicians for Peter Tosh, another reggae legend) it was amazing for me to watch this video.
It would have been hard to top a song like Don’t speak, the composition of that song is a genius the way it switches between key signatures.
No Doubt is amazing but I had no idea of how they got started. Thank you for the history lesson on them. Definitely one of my favorite bands and the reason I switch my fashion style up from wearing oversized baggy clothes of the grunge style and I worn more of a look like Gwen. It made my dad less nervous lol
I love Rock Steady too, I still listen to it today. Musicians just evolve, and they were epic for Gen X, fun, loud, different and a huge part of the time.
I don't care what ANYONE SAYS, imo Tom Dumont is a VERY underrated guitarist.
I'm 28 and when I tell you that i fell in love with this group since 2 years I am NOT lying.
I've NEVER been into this type of bands but I stombed across an old live of No Doubt at UCLA and just like that, I was blasting No doubt at my house. There's this sunny and joyful feeling when I listen to them... They just put me in the best mood. My all time fave are Total Hate 95' (thanks to this song I've discovered Sublime), Oi to the World, Sixteen, Open The Gate and many more.... Damn I love this band lol
The early recordings sound really good, they were all very talented from the beginning.
Yeah it was surprising to hear that their first album flopped hard because it sounded good and Beacon Street Collection was great. I guess it's because the public just wasn't used to Ska and the record labels were open enough to push it out for fear that the masses wouldn't have liked it.
Thank you for reminding me of them. I just recently got into vinyl collecting, so now I'm going to have to get the ND discography as well as Gwen's. I'm a 90s kid and I've always loved their music.
They will always be my favorite band. I saw them on the Rock Steady tour. I'm sad that they aren't together anymore (I don't think they'll ever tour again, it pains me to say, but I'm so thankful they are the music of my youth and I got to experience the magic.
I genuinely appreciate how impartial you are in regards to genre/scene/style. Just hearing you mention the contemporaries of th ebands I DO know about is sending me down all sorts of rabbit holes. Thanks for a great channel!
I remember that time vividly. I just moved from my home in North Carolina to the beach. So I was a little homesick and I immersed myself in that album. I still don't like to hear "don't speak" because like Tony and Gwen I went through a breakup with a girlfriend at the time that song was at the peak of its popularity I kid you not. A few years later I met my wife and she's a huge no doubt fan loves going to pieces. So for me it's hard to believe I was 25 when I first heard that band and now at 53. Those albums are classic even the second album I loved I know a lot of people didn't. Still one of my favorite bands
Like Haley and Gwen, Debbie Harry of Blondie had a similar pressure to go solo back in the late 70s and the media refused to pay attention to her band mates. Seems like the formula of talent, star power, and looks will always be alive in the industry. Makes sense, really, but I can see why it'd be annoying.
I read Pat Benatar biography, she was heavily pressured by the suits to dump Spyder...proving even "experts" can be clueless about evaluating talent
When I heard Tragic Kingdom back in the 90s, I thought it was incredible. Very different from anything else I'd heard at that point. I loved it.
Tragic Kingdom is such an amazing album. Definitely one of the best of the 90s.
Another great video Finn. No Doubt makes music where someone from any genre can find themselves jamming out and singing along to at least one or two of their songs. great band
Also, digging that hat, it's pretty fly
Thanks for the ND love, I feel like they get overlooked a lot. Return of Saturn is more of a concept album in my opinion, the band was getting older and Gwen and Gavin had temporarily broken up so it’s not as poppy as Tragic Kingdom. Loved Rock Steady but I think Push and Shove was more for the fans.
Push and Shove, their best album, hands down
I think Return of Saturn was highly underrated. It tends to be most fans' favorite. It is my all-time favorite album.
Return To Saturn was my entry to them because my first song I ever heard by them was "Ex-Girlfriend" haha I do prefer Tragic Kingdom but Return of Saturn was a fun album and pretty good.
The day I found out Gwen Steffani had her roots in Ska music, it blew my mind and changed my whole perspective on her, in a good way.
The Tragic Kingdom album is by far the best album ND ever made. Every song is awesome. I saw them in concert back when the album came out and it was incredible. I think I listened to that album everyday for a year and knew all the words. I love ND!!
I remember when No Doubt blew up. I was into that song about the SpiderWebs so much when the music video would be played after school on local tv stations. I still got that Saturn CD too. No Doubt will always be up there with the other pivotal bands of the 90s in the rock and skah and punk scene. LONG LIVE THE 1990s! As close to the best decade in history humanity ever got ( every era has its problems, but the 90s were overall so unique its nuts :P).
The editing and script writing on this video is fire man. Honestly your main channel stuff has gotten so damn good!
Thank you!
I love all of their albums but to me, Return of Saturn is their masterpiece. It has their deepest, most personal cuts, an overarching theme and a badass duet with Prince, as well as my favorite ND song, Suspension without Suspense. I was surprised to hear you say that it really wasn't your cup of tea, as everything else you said was spot on. Thanks for the great video.
And he thinks Rock Steady is their masterpiece lol
@@alexisragaliauskas Rocksteady is great and definitely underrated but no, I'd put it in maybe 3rd (actually 4th after their amazing B-Side album "Everything in Time".
@@vietbond my order is Return of Saturn, Tragic Kingdom, Everything in Time, Beacon Street, Rock Steady, Push and Shove, and their self-titled. The first 4 are close in how much I love them
I still like Tragic Kingdom a bit more than Return of Saturn but ROS was a freaking good album as well. "Comforting Lie" gets me every time. Also "Simple kind of life" and just pfft, so many good songs to be heard haha. No Doubt's first 4 albums are just all good in their own ways.
@@justine4652 Also I would rank the albums like this...
1. Tragic Kingdom
2. Beacon Street Collection
3. Return of Saturn
4. RockSteady
5. No Doubt
6. Push And Shove (honestly I wasn't feeling it... Sucks to admit but can't lie)
Tragic Kingdom will forever be one of my top albums that shaped the music taste of my life. Introduced me into ska and punk.
I didn't scroll through all the comments to see if anyone mentioned this, but an interesting side note about No Doubt is the band (minus Gwen) cut an interesting album under the name Dreamcar with Davey Havok on vocals, which leans on their shared love of new wave.
I did read another comment about it and remember the project because I am also into AFI and New Wave.
Had no idea the AFI front emo did an album with them. Now I gotta see this. Thanks fren.
Yep. Someone beat you to it bud.
THANK YOU for acknowledging how great Rock Steady is!!! It was maybe one of the first 5 albums I really liked as a kid, was absolutely formative for me in my really early preteen and teenage years, and now that I'm older and in my 30s now I actually relate to the songs in it - it's like a fine wine, only getting better with time.
Gwen also did a solo collaboration with Sublime in 1994 seven years before she did the song with Eve. “Saw Red”.
No Doubt isn't mentioned like other bands because its fronted by a female. I'm a huge fan of weird electronic music and when people talk about the all time greats and classics from the 1990s I've seen people completely omit Bjork when she was doing electronic stuff very early on.
Truth
Kinda wanna out there but have you seen the live performance of bjork performing army of me with skunk anansi? It’s a metal version and bjorks vocals in the silent part and then loud chorus are fucking insane.
@@actuallymario7676 check out Bean Bag's industrial cover of Army of Me. It's maybe the best cover of any song I've ever heard.
On the contrary...I say they got big BECAUSE they were fronted by a female. Other than maybe a couple catchy songs...No Doubt wasn't good. Gwen Stefani made the band. She's why they got big. She's like Amy Lee. She was unique enough to make a mediocre band look great.
@@Dan-cj9yg Selling records and being respected are two different things. Like Kanye West has 80+ people work on each record he makes but we call it his record. With female musicians the producers get credit and respect.
I saw No Doubt in concert twice; the last time being in 2009 when they randomly went on tour. By then, you could tell something was "off," but they were still amazing.
Return of Saturn is my favourite album of theirs, I still play it
"Don't Speak" is one of the absolute best songs of all time! I fell in love with the song and the band the moment I heard it. And bear in mind, I was a huge metalhead, so this was a drastic change for me. (The most "metal" sounding No Doubt song is a rare live track called "My Room Is Still Clean". Ironically, it wasn't written by the band's metal guy, Tom Dumont, but by Prince fan Tony Kanal).
Fun fact: Gwen wrote Hollaback girl about Courtney Love.
Courtney Love must have inspired so many songs it's impossible to count.
@@Spiritofdarkandlonelywater Foo Fighter's Ill stick around is another
@@johnd3124 My favourite is 'Bruise Violet' by Babes in Toyland. "I've got this thing, it follows me around". Haha
@@johnd3124 I thought Stacked Actors was about Courtney.. i think I'll Stick Around was about Dave still doing music since Kurt died
@@ColorsBright nope i'll stick around is about courtney, dave confirmed it in an interview
I was in college when “I’m just a Girl” came out. It was refreshing. I was never into grunge but was bombarded with the Seattle Sound. Loved The OffSpring, Green Day (especially their debut album), No Doubt, Garbage, Bush, etc
no doubt is not grunge tho?
@@poindextertunes no
@@poindextertunes “grunge” was originally called the “Seattle Sound”..most not all came down From Seattle in the beginning. No Doubt was a Ska Punk band in the beginning but incorporated more rock elements by the time Tragic Kingdom was released, which is the album that launched them. They had their own sound and it wasn’t grunge
@@candirenee74 I'd say No Doubt was part of the SoCal movement post Seattle if anything. SoCal being Offspring but then bands like Screeching Weasel and such. Non big names that led it to the more pop scene bands like Offspring and NoDoubt, Nofx etc
FINN! Thank you for doing this episode. No Doubt was a huge part of my teenage years, and I had the pleasure of seeing them on their Tragic Kingdom Tour. Still have the shirt, and I'm not selling it!
Gwen Stefani is a really versatile vocalist so there's really no doubt she became a rockstar and a popstar because she can literally do both.
I bought Beacon Street strictly for Total Hate ‘95 featuring the GOAT himself Bradley Nowell of Sublime. Awe surprised you wouldn’t mention that in the video Finn 😉. That whole song is rad. Hardcore Ska with a reggae break down and a sic horn section. This whole record is actually pretty dope. 🤘🎸🤘
I'm 22 and I've been obsessed with ND for over a year now. Can't believe how underrated band it is. Like they career is simply reduced to Don't Speak and It's my life, when in fact it's just much bigger than that. They're all great musician and the live performances are mind-blowing. They deserve more credit for that.
Rocksteady is their best album I agree.
Great video! Hope there's a No Doubt revival after this hahaha
It's so nice to read about young people listening to No doubt 💜💜 they definitely deserve more recognition
They were a massive band
I mean hell, "It's My Life" isn't even their own song! They'd hate if that's what they were remembered for, they did it as a tribute to Talk Talk (the band that originally did it - fricking amazing, BTW, has one of the most legendary basslines in pop history). So many songs of their own that were awesome, and people remember them for a cover? That's just rude to the band!
@@snorpenbass4196 Where I come from, they’re remembered for Don’t Speak, Just A Girl and Hella Good
They weren't underrated
I saw No Doubt on the Rock Steady tour and got to meet them backstage. The guys were super friendly and wanted to chat it up, Gwen was different and pretty aloof unfortunately. But they put on an amazing show and I am so glad to have had the chance to see them live! And I fully agree that Rock Steady is a masterpiece and their best album!
Man. The timing on this video is something. I’ve been hearing Don’t Speak on the radio a lot lately and after hearing it a few times for the first time in a while, I was struck by what an incredible song it is. It’s clear why it blew them up.
I’ve been a casual fan of theirs since seeing their Just A Girl video way back.
I’ve literally been meaning to look up if it was Gwen’s fault (for lack of a better word) for their lack of output/breakup.
What a shame. Her solo stuff isn’t bad or anything, but I really miss that band. They had something special and unique. Her pop stuff, is well, kind of generic (please correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve only really heard various singles).
Maybe one day, but it seems unlikely at this point.
EDIT: I didn’t know about Dreamcar. So yeah, it’s obvious Gwen isn’t into it anymore. Damn.
Great information. Being from Orange County and having grown up with these guys and going to the same high school, and being alongside them for most of the early career, your information and delivery was nothing more than correct. Many of my friends served as horn players for them during the early first decade and a half or so so I know much about them. This was a great insight into no doubt from beginning to finish.
I've always loved this band and Gwen. One of the first albums I ever fell in love with and bought on cd was "Tragic Kingdom". I truly appreciate how diverse each album was and even every song. Here's to hoping they reunite soon and tour!
1. I Love No Doubt! They were the right band for me at the right time.
2. DREAMCAR the project that’s No Doubt minus Gwen plus Davey Havok is one of my favorite albums from the last 5 or 6 years.
The song they did for the movie soundtrack Go was a banger
No Doubt was fun to see live back in the late 90s
its hard for Gwen not to pop, she's got the look, the voice, and the music.
Yeah I saw it coming too.
Also she seems to be genuinely a nice person.
I absolutely love No doubt! I own every album and I always hated how they blamed Gwen for everything! She was the reason they made it and really they all need to accept it. I still listen to them and I will always be a fan. ❤❤❤
Interesting video! I adored tragic kingdom as a teen but had kind of fortgotten about it, thanks for reminding me of that gem. Sidenote: Gwen is an exceptional singer and her ska stuff kind of showcased that more. I feel it is easy to underestimate her talent only judging from her later pop stuff.
I have great memories of listening to Tragic Kingdom on my Walkman while walking to and from middle school. Great video as always!
They took the ska thing as far as they could. The output they eventually put out eclipsed anything they could have achieved had they stayed a 'ska band'.
I worked for a big alternative radio station during the heydays of ND's and the grunge scene. I did a lot of concerts and I got to meet Gwen on their Return of Saturn tour. She was rocking the pink hair and she was so sweet and genuine, even gave me a hug! Been a big fan of hers and the band's ever after.
Still to this day remember watching MTV at my grandmas house as we didnt have it at home as a 9 year old kid and "Just a Girl" came on and I was in love!
Can't remember if it was the same day or the day after but I went out and bought my first "real" cd for my own money, The Tragic Kingdom of course.
Still sad I havnt been able to catch them live, last time they were in sweden was in 1997 so as an 11 year old I kinda couldnt go haha.
Still havnt given up on the idea they would visit europe again but it also seems to far off these days. They have had a HUGE impact on my life of music.
I thought the Beacon St. songs were compiled material from 93-94, not outtakes from Tragic Kingdom sessions.
I could be wrong tho. Anyway, i love both albums.
Their sales initially suffered from the grunge era, but that was actually a pretty short period of time, mainly 91 to 94 after which it was the time of punk and ska/reggae flavored stuff. As bands like Sublime and 311 were getting big, No Doubt fit right in and ended up rising above their peers in popularity. They were my first exposure to that style. When i think of watching MTV in mid 90s, the first things coming to mind are Smashing Pumpkins and No Doubt. Huge part of my childhood.
Beacon St. Collection came out the same year as Tragic Kingdom, it's a fantastic album in its own right but is basically a load of songs that didn't end up on TK
@@alexisragaliauskas But it did come out several months, over half a year before TK... I'm not saying you're wrong but i find that so strange.
Return of Saturn and Rock Steady are one of the greatest albums of all time
I'm really enjoying your channel after recently discovering it. It's really great to do a deep dive on these bands. Especially now that there 20 years on history. specially having lived through it it's a fun trip back in time. Especially something like no doubt to where I have fond memories of as my younger sisters were listening to them and girlfriends as well.
Thank you!
Great video as usual