THIS IS WHY EVERYONE HATES IMAGINE DRAGONS...
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This is why everyone hates Imagine Dragons! Is it their music? Imagine Dragons songs like "Radioactive" and "Thunder" are a bit overplayed. Or is it Dan Reynolds, and all the work he does with LGBTQ charities? Or does the hate for Imagine Dragons go deeper, explaining why people also hate Nickelback? Find out the reason everyone hates Imagine Dragons!
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0:00 Intro
3:00 The history of Imagine Dragons
6:32 Does their music suck?
8:40 Are the guys in band terrible people?
9:48 Group identity & belonging
12:51 "Real music" & authenticity 
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Get that bag, Finn.
When are you releasing your 420k sub special? Lol.
I appreciate the positive messages you try to convey - I try not to hate on bands, imagine dragons doesnt resonate with me, as I'm more of a sad loner guy - good for them that can be the way they are.
Thanks for the lecture you had some really good points💯
Finn, sorry to say, but you are not very credible advertising this game, considering how many times you underlined fack that you are not a nerd, made fun of power metal etc. :)
I'm not buying it. BTW Great video, my thoughts exactly.
I knew a guy who’d go to punk shows in the 90’s in a full suit or tuxedo. Everyone would approach him and ask “are you lost? What are you wearing?” He would reply “well, punk is about rebelling, individuality and not conforming… and quite frankly, all of you look the exact fucking same”. They generally had no response.
This is fucking amazing
I was at a metal concert recently and had a similar thought. My hair was in a high ponytail, and I was wearing a tshirt and shorts. Almost everyone else was dressed emo with spikes and makeup. No problem with that at all, but I felt like the most metal person in the room because I stuck out like a sore thumb haha.
And then everyone clapped
@@livierae95 I was at metal show last week and felt the same way. So many people staring at me, so annoying. I dress kinda preppy and listen to different kinds of metal. I get it's odd to see, but let me enjoy Gojira and Mudvayne while I wear my Jcrew jeans.
that's awesome. i respect that, but on the other hand I get why people would want to dress the same: to fit in. it's like a brotherhood or group that you can feel you fit in. and there's nothing wrong with (wanting) that IMO.
(...ORrrr could just be you wear the band shirts that you bought to support said bands; you don't have much choice since you didn't design the shirts, lol)
I always thought the hate for both Nickelback and Imagine Dragons was weird. Not a fan of either band but they're more in the category of "stuff I rarely think about because I don't care" then the category of "stuff I aggressively hate".
I hate Nickelback because they’re associated with my shitty province.
We have way better musicians than Nickelback.
Nickelback copped it due to chad's real prick like behaviour. For imagine dragons you can at least respect them even though you don't necessarily like em. For imagine dragons i don't really get all the hate they've copped.
I've only listened to a few Nickelback songs, but they don't seem that bad. Not my style, but not bad.
at least you aren't hating them just for the sake of hating them--
i myself like imagine dragons a decent amount, mostly their old stuff. as for nickelback, never had a problem with them but they are more a secondary band to me
I think Nickelback are at least a pretty shit band with cringe lyrics so I get people clowning on them, but with Imagined Dragons they actually have a good vocalist and really iconic sound that was nothing like other alternative bands at least at the point where they had their Radioactive style. It really feels to me like every five years is it's own musical generation, and every musical generation has that one band that becomes a meme due to being the pinnacle of inoffensive mainstream pop rock. I'd compare them more to groups like Sugar Ray and Smash Mouth.
You hit the nail on the head with how people view positive emotions as unauthentic and invalid. Also, I believe they are hated online and no one defends them because just like Nickelback their fans aren't online defending their taste in music and are using their time in a better way lol.
I used to like Nickleback a long ass time ago, but as I grew up, their music became unlistenable. And my over all opinion of their music(Minus a couple songs) can be summed up as Strip Club music. Imagine Dragons, while not having a strip club vibe. Has such a forgettable and low effort sound to it. However, I do like one song of theirs.. So they can make decent music, but everything else theyve put out has been so bland.
@Underoath-Define The Great Line Fan Account [2-4] Lol, how did you get that impression? Because while it might have had a slight counrty sound(as did some Nirvana songs), theres a clear difference. I originally grew up on early 90s and older country music before I got into rock and post hardcore stuff around 10-11.
Also, I dont get the hate for country music minus everything after the late 90s( Thats actually understandable. Hell I hate it too). I've always loved classic country music, even once I'd decided that stuff like Underoath, Blessthefall, Taking back Sunday and all those bands was what appealed to me more. And the funny part is, some old country songs lyrical content really is not that far off from bands like Taking back Sunday and others. The only difference is the over all sound and sometimes a cultural difference since its country.
Nickleback and Imagine Dragons are both better than almost any mainstream rock band that's come out in at least 15 years and I'm not a huge fan of either.
I saw them play after foxy Shazam. Foxy killed it and when imagine dragons came up(after the owners for the venue came out and applauded foxy) they just played their music. Didn't put on a show. Everyone left the front
You’re exactly right there. I’ve been an Imagine Dragons fan for years and all of us online are so unbothered by the things people will say to get a few likes. We just have fun with what makes us happy, and we don’t really care about what people say about them because at this point you can just say anything slightly negative about Imagine Dragons on twitter and you’re guaranteed to get a truckload of likes so normally anything people say is totally meaningless.
As a songwriter myself I’ve noticed that the songs I wrote about addiction, loss, and depression/mental health. Are always the ones I get complaints on about how real and genuine they are but when I write a song about how much I love my boyfriend or something that makes me happy it’s seen as less genuine somehow and people don’t like those songs as much even though they’re just as personal to me as talking about my struggles with heroin and fentanyl addiction. I totally get what you mean. It’s pretty sad to me that people walk around with that much hate for something. But I think I understand that too I used to be similar because when I felt like shit it made me feel better to project that on something else and when you find a group of others that do the same thing it’s validating ya know idk it’s sad but I also understand it
I have a distaste for songs about romantic relationship falling apart but i wouldnt call it hate. Its prob because its like 90% of the music ill randomly hear someone else listen to and im done with listening to what feels like the same song lol.
A lot of the hate for Imangine dragons is from them winning rock award or being nominated constantly when they’re pop
Yeah, I think rap and pop should not be in the rock and roll hof
I hate gatekeepers more than I hate pop or rap being in the R&RHOF.
I can barely consider rap and pop anything, but random annoying noise someone came up with while being extremely bored and drunk off their ass, played it for family and friends and they kept their opinions to themselves and let them go on to somehow make a career out of it....lmfao
yeah but Imagine dragons themselves donot consider them to be rock band. They say they are genreless
rock is just pop now. and real rock is now named metal, metal was always bloody rusty and now i can understand every word like its rock
Once a co-worker told me Imagine Dragons was her favorite band; I thought it was kinda funny, but I kept it to myself and validated her answer by mentioning a couple songs I had heard.
That’s what we should do with the music we don’t like. Just keep it to yourself, why go out of your way to say something negative about other people’s taste?
I don’t consume their music, but I knew Finn was gonna make some really good points.
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Well said. This world needs more positivity anyway.
I’m sick of people shooting down anything I’m interested in, it’s such a “I’m a miserable cunt so everyone else has to be too” mentality. I don’t think everyone does it on purpose, they don’t even realise they’re doing it. I used to be like this but now I take a whole different approach. If someone tells me they like something I don’t, I don’t shoot them down I listen to and acknowledge their opinion. If I’m asked whether or not I like the thing they like, then I’ll give my opinion, but I won’t force it on anyone or bring them down. You feel so much happier tbh
When everyone in your hometown listens to country you kind of have to make do or else you'd be shooting down everyone. Plus I'd like to make it more of a stereotype that metalheads are the open minded ones. Except for black metal fans, they will legitimately never change
@@gagalover2k10 totally agreed, it's actually pretty easy telling someone you don't like something without being rude "you know it's not really my thing but I respect it, what do you like about it?" is my go to
I really loved Imagine Dragon's first album. There was a great variety in their songs. I thought their second album was decent if not as strong. My only complaint is that they seemed to have relied on a similar style of writing for their last couple of efforts. It's obviously different songs but they feel the same in terms of structure and delivery.
Hmm almost like slipknot? 😆
@@dukestain6211 Ouch
Their songs Birds, Dream, Sharks are great.
@@dukestain6211 Slipknot had at least 3 or 4 good albums before they got bogged down by the hum drum. Slipknot is a legacy band now and still find success in the occassional single that they can add to the classic set list. Imagine Dragons doesn't have the back catalog required for them to be a legacy group. They jumped the gun and everyone noticed.
I wasn't being serious I was just taking a jab because Corey is so opinionated lol. I agree with you I do feel like their first three albums. Self titled, Iowa and Vol 3 are their best work but you're right every album has at least one banger on it they're hard rock royalty so what they do now doesn't matter since they've already solidified themselves lol I was just being cheeky lol
Honestly a really good video.
The only thing I would disagree with is when you said that they don't have any dark music.
The majority of their music is definitely more on the bright side, but they have some dark stuff as well. Smoke + Mirrors and their recent Mercury album, for example. It just so happens to not be mainstream.
haha yeah because cutthroat is so bright and cheery and nothing aggressive at all ever happened in dull knives or giants...
Did you know you can close your eyes and Imagine Dragons whenever you want, and the government cant do anything about it!
Awesome! I'll do that right now.
You can also dream theater
Unfortunately they just started taxing that, and it seems you're in violation of back taxes for imagining dragons & due the the ammount owed the feds are actually at your door, please open it & cooperate with the capital punishment finding for imagining dragons without government oversight.
That will be all, thank you for your cooperation & see you in heck.
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I don’t get why all music has to be deep and thought provoking to be good. ID isn’t amazing but there is a lot worse “real rock” out there that people ignore to hate on ID. They’re also really good for working out and cleaning to
I would agree music doesn't have to be meaningful or thought provoking to be good. I never understood EDM until I accepted that it's simply a good DJ beat with some catchy pop vocal hooks. That whole genre is just meant to chill or dance too. There are plenty of badly written or boring songs with deep meaning or well thought out content.
I literally just came here to say, your your name made me chuckle, and I definitely needed that, so thank you.
Imagine dragons do write very thought provoking songs
funny thing is that majority of their songs ARE deep and thought-provoking but only singles like Thunder get fame. Birds is a beautiful song but has nowhere the amount of streams Thunder has (as a hardcore fan, that song really sucks).
@@srishtysharma I found myself loving "All For You" more than Thunder, Radioactive and Believer the more I grew up.
I kinda wish they did refined that song more, I like how it went.. Better amongst their flagship songs
As someone who loved the first album to the last, don't hate ID. I love their energy and from what I can see, they perform well live so they at the top of my list to see live along with a very few others. Music has to make me want to dance and their music does..... Formulaic to one person is style to another.
Absolutely agreed. I I love Imagine Dragons their music great, relatable, and fun to dance to.
I feel that our music taste influences our personality
Which is why I've never been into imagine dragons, as it just felt.. surface level
I couldn't dance to something that felt fake to me
Like unflavored oatmeal…lol
I like their first two albuns quite a bit, but everything from Evolve and onward feels artificial and bland to me.
@@MarceloZ2 to be honest i prefer imagine dragons' older songs as well. believer isn't even my top favorites, but "shots" and "the fall" are some of my favorites, they just give some kinda feeling of wonderment i can't explain
I've learned that nothing is underrated or overrated, people just like what they like.
tbh their music is bad if they classify themselves as a rock band
@@BreakfastChickenGuy It's probably not the band who first classified themselves as a rock band, but the marketers behind them. I don't know much about the music industry, but I know a lot about the writing industry, and there are great parallels between them. Creatives often have little to no saying how they are presented to the public if they sign with big names. Heck, sometimes they even have little control over how their work is edited. It's either that or spending the first two decades of your career reaching just a handful of people, if you're lucky.
Of course, that is a choice they made, so a lot of the fault is on them. But I think it's more important to them that they reach as much people as possible and spread their message (both with songs and charity works) than having marketing accuracy.
What people need to learn is that "Underrated" and "Overrated" are neither negative or positive.
Something can be good and still be overrated. And something can be bad and still be underrated.
The terms are not suppose to be used to state quality. Just how much credit something is getting.
@@BreakfastChickenGuy Yeah but they're the closest thing to rock we have in our generation
K but that's really boring.
I think "losers hate winners" is the reason. I wonder why so many people waste their time and tell everyone who is not interested at all of which bands suck. I"m so happy that I've got better things to do. I never cared what other people think of the bands I like.
I am a musician who writes extremely dark music. But I still can appreciate both Imagine Dragons and Nickelback as very clever bands that know how to write a song with a killer hook. Granted it is pop rock but I don't understand why they should be hated. Is it not possible to appreciate another musicians sucess in a different genre as your own? I will always take note of good music even if it is not in my style!
In my opinion I think the reason people feel that "darkness" in art is authentic, is because people use the art as a means of connecting through that art to help them channel that darkness in a healthier direction. The artist can express those dark emotions in ways that the fans feel have a understanding of how they're feeling. Happy or positive music on the other hand doesn't feel genuine because you really don't need to relieve and unload feelings of happiness and joy. Happiness already does that. It's the proverbial "misery loves company" statement.
my life is pretty miserable but i prefer to listen to happy and joyful music to uplift my mood, because listening to gloomy music worsens my depression
althought it's nice to sometimes be able to know that i'm not alone in my struggles
"Good Day Sunshine", "Here Comes the Sun", "59th Street Bridge Song"...
As a dad, my kids love this band. It’s actually something we can play on Spotify and not worry about questionable content.
They can write a hook too, so ID is a band everyone in the car likes.
Yep same here. My 7 year old constantly saying "Hey Google, play Thunder by Imagine Dragons." And a lot of Sam Mendes. It's not my cup of tea but I'm happy she is discovering music and isn't embarrassed by wanting to play it. When I was a kid I had some really complex emotions about music I liked and even now some friends make me feel awkward about what music I like. Gatekeepers I guess you'd call them. It's so unnecessary. Whereas another friend said "there are no guilty pleasures." What a refreshing way to live.
Its like the Pixar of music
@@paulg6274 - all I'm saying is when we're old, THIS is what we and our kids will remember.
Pixar movies and Imagine Dragons.
They will be our next nostalgia trips.
@@m.malina6797 haha more like vomit inducing for me. Overproduced, gimmicky trash
nailed it right here
Usually their “hit” songs are my least favorite on any given album. Idk why people say their lyrics are shallow; some are pretty simple, but they all usually have some kind of takeaway (which is more than can be said for a lot of alt pop music). Imagine Dragons is a band I can listen to when I just wanna chill for a bit. They cover a lot of different emotions and most of their songs are positive (which I like because I slip into depressive spirals too easily). I don’t see some people feel the need to actively hate a band they barely listen to.
The hate was much stronger for boy bands and girl groups back in the days where that was all that was on the radio. It was much harder to escape to alternative music.
In this day and age anybody can listen to any song at any time that has ever been recorded on demand (Spotify, itunes RUclips, etc). No reason to hate popular music when it's more avoidable than ever before!
Maybe thats why Billie Eilish, Twenty-one Pilots, hyperpop, and other rock artists don't mind crossing over into pop music nowadays
Money.
Money is why they don’t mind.
@@oldvlognewtricks Maybe pop isn't inherently a bad thing? Also, I think there used to be a lot more pigeon holing of bands into a single style/scene/sound and fans would act betrayed if the band ever strays, at least in the Anglosphere. I'm really glad bands and solo artists alike are able to cross genres more again without being turned against by fans.
@@ANPC-pi9vu Of course it’s not inherently bad, but commerciality often impacts a band’s output - and frequently for the worse.
i think it's mainly people losing their minds from constantly hearing this garbage in stores
In 2011, I sat next to Dan’s father on a flight from Vegas to San Diego. His dad told me about his son had a band and they moved to LA, etc. When we landed I asked him the name of his son’s band and he said “Imagine Dragons.” This was before they hit it big and I thought “oh that’s so cute… his son has a ‘dungeons and dragons’ band.” Because that band name made me think of Dungeons and Dragons and some kids with their garage band. A few months later, I was surprised 😂😂😂 Also, as a former Mormon myself, a lot of us leave bc of how LGBTQ individuals are treated in the church and become outspoken to try and change things. It has nothing to do with “guilt” for being a part of something you grew up in but wanting to speak up to bring attention to a problem after you see it for the first time and you realized it’s really f-ed up.
Lol. As an member, I actually think that if he were never LDS, they would be followed even less. I know several members of the church that still like Imagine Dragons because they still feel like they have something in common, even tho he speaks out against the church, and of course the ex LDS people love them too, because they have something in common. I find myself trying to like them, and have tried several times, but frankly I think their music kinda sucks. It isn’t hard enough (Metallica, tool), it isn’t edgy at all (white stripes), and the pure talent (Killers) and authenticity doesn’t sell either (AIC, Nirvana). Something for me is just missing and I can’t put my finger on it. I guess in that sense, they are like Nickleback. Got really popular and I try and listen and can’t figure out why.
You left mormonism because of their stance on LGBT people? Is it becuase you are LGBT or are you being offended on behalf of someone else? I would argue that saying black people are black becuase they didn't pick a side in heaven is more offensive.
That's so crazy! I sat next to Michael Jackson's dad at an Applebee's once and he punched me in my F*CKIN face when I questioned him about abuse allegations from the 5! Lol, jk. I hate when I see comments like yours then you oen the replies and it's just all people crying b*llshit. Which I'm sure sometimes it is but this sounds legit to me.
@@arronthomas68 Wow… is that what they believe? I’ll look that up. But I think she brought up LGBTQ to explain why ID became advocates. I’m sure there are many reasons people leave the church and whether they are apart of the LBGTQ community or not shouldn’t matter. Wrong is wrong. There’s nothing wrong with speaking out against racism, homophobia, sexism, etc even if it doesn’t affect you.
That went from pretty cool to political real quick
My best friend and I have laughed, cried, and sung together because of Imagine Dragons! They’ve been my fave band for years, and their music has gotten me through some dark times. Wrecked, birds, start over, cha-Ching, and so much more have kept me going through the past few years. People hate them, but I’ll always love them ❤❤ Screw the haters!
I totally agree with you!
ID is one of my favorite bands to!
I they have also helped me through a lot of dark times🩷
@@pacoloco9008 I have no idea what they are releasing now, because I just don’t listen to them. But a person who gives so much of a fuck about what others listen to only evokes pity in me. If you have so much free time, why don't you do something useful? There is no bad or good taste, there are only stuffy people
@@pacoloco9008and saying someone has "bad taste" because they like a band you don't is just as stupid, if not more.
Grow up.@@pacoloco9008
I always assumed ID's songs are for people who don't base their lives on music. Just a different audience. On a side note, I don't understand how people have energy to hate on other bands at this point 🤷🏽♂️
Normie music is a thing. Imagine Dragons is grade A+ normie music. It has just enough aggression to feel a little edgy but is polished and overproduced enough to sound pristine and perfect.
As weird as it might sound, but Imagine Dragons was my gateway band to rock/metal. Smoke+Mirrors is still an amazing album to this day.
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today i’m listening to darko n shit, but all that started because of Friction and I’m So Sorry, S+M is the shit^
@@nikodemvankenobi Went down the rabbit hole like this:
Imagine Dragons > Rammstein > System Of A Down > Architects > Gojira > …
@@wastwhite2565 For me it was like Imagien Dragons>Avenged Sevenfold>Slipknot>SOAD>Architects anddd was exploring the -core genres from that point lmao, Imagine Dragons was my first concert, but Architects was totally my first metalcore concert, will forever hold ID dear for that entrance lmao
@@nikodemvankenobi Imagine Dragons was also one of my first concerts. :) Seen them this year in Mönchengladbach again. Also went to shows from Rammstein, Ice Nine Kills, Spiritbox and Parkway Drive this year. In December I‘ve got tickets for a Bleed From Within show.
true. twenty one pilots and imagine dragons was my gateway to alt generes. Now i'm out here listening to deathcore and metalcore
This is exactly why ive grown to see that fact that I'm always behind on pop culture and being "late to the party" when it comes to just about anything be it games, music, shows etc. Isn't a bad thing cause I normally don't find out about stuff or check it out untill the hype train leaves and not always on purpose either but it affords me the chance to check things out with a fresh, unbiased, and most importantly GENUINE reaction I love imagine dragons and was surprised to hear how often they get hated on cause to me they had like three good songs back in 2013 and then I never really heard from them again till their single "wrecked" came out and it made me check out more of their music and I'm a huge fan now regardless of what anyone else thinks and that's a true opinion not affected by mob mentality. Thanks for this video it was really well done and glad to see you give them respect they deserve while being as unbiased as possible great work
I'm genuinely shocked to find out people hate them. I get not liking their music, but this is beyond that, like they're the punchline in a lot of memes? I love quite a few of their songs, and the songs I love from them are their darker sounding ones like Believer and Enemy. So I might be proving the point about "positivity" feeling inauthentic in alternative/rock music. But as a Gen Z person who lives on the internet it's actually news to me that people hate them this much 😅
@@LilyAlyss ikr it's the Nickelback situation all over again people always gotta be hating on something I guess
@@LilyAlyss same, i was totally unaware how much people hate them
their lyrics are meaningful, liking or disliking the sound is subjective but that doesn't warrant any type of hate
I didn't know they were hated! I really like their music, specially the percussion. I also like how they sound live.
Same thing here. I think I stopped following the "rebelious youth" internet places and went either to more "normies" internet and real life where I mostly meet people who listen to mainstream pop or don't even care about music much.
Probably because it’s so overplayed and annoying
That thesis about the emphasis of darkness made me think of how twenty one pilots were at their peak when their music was at its darkest. but once they started releasing "lighter" pop songs, a lot of fans were disappointed and disinterested.
This honestly still applies to this day. Clancy is absolutely better received, but there's still a ton of fans who don't like it because it's not as dark as Trench for the most part. Tbf it was marketed as Trench 2 and ended up being different, but still, many people don't like the album and especially hate the lighter/more playful songs like Lavish
Imagine Dragons has been my favourite band for around 5 years now. I just want to say a few things:
Firstly, Dan Reynolds recently said in an interview that the band doesn't conform to any genre - they are their own genre. It isn't the band's fault if their non-rock songs are on the rock charts.
Secondly, for some odd reason all their most successful songs have been their worst songs. The band has a discography of over 150 songs, and most "haters" have only heard maybe 10 or so of these.
Thirdly, I wouldn't call Imagine Dragons dark or edgy, but their latest album is incredibly emotional and explores darker themes, such as addiction and death.
For these three reasons, I disagree with your reasons for people hating the band. I think it is much simpler. People only hear the band's worst music, and dislike hearing it all the time. This is totally valid, and it's the reason why I stay off TikTok and Instagram, so I completely understand it.
I'm not an avid fan of the band, but I agree with your comment. The same applies to a lot of other artists, their most successful works tends to be their worst.
I’m a big fan and totally agree with you! This guy has some good points but also all the fans are too busy enjoying themselves to care about the hate. It’s giving the band more attention regardless
101% agree with your comment. I didn’t even know ID were “hated” and it’s kinda unfair to say they aren’t edgy or has darker themes when their song Wrecked is about the death of someone important. Why create an 18 vid without any mention on that? They are successful for a reason.
@@j.m.3632 everyone is praising this channel for going into depth and exploring multiple reasons why they may be “hated”. But he hasn’t done the most important thing, which is to actually listen to their music. Still a good video though.
Oh my god I love you thx so much for standing up for them
once i started getting into kpop i had to constantly deal with people being rude. why cant i listen to what makes my brain happy? and why does that affect you so much?
I stopped listening to kpop big time ever since making a drastic change to rock, but damn I'm stil grateful for all the times and days I spent rewinding BTS (the one kpop band you'd expect people to frown at you for).
And speaking of making a brain happy? Yeah I get that feeling with Wonder Girls - Nobody, are the lyrics deep? no. is the song INSANELY catchy? heck yeah!
@@Vhie05 I find myself picking kpop when it's warm out and indie and rock when its not lol
The positive/inauthentic negative/authentic axis is such an astute observation! Nailed it.
The Smashing Pumpkins are a wonderful example of a band that effectively balance light and dark. Their sound is grand, symphonic, ambitious, dreamy but it's grounded in amazing, sometimes dark, intricate, rock-based musicality.
It can be done.
This band just doesn't do it.
Not a Smashing Pumpkins fan but I do agree they were a rock-based musicality. Listening to Imagine Dragons is painful.
I saw them live this year. They were really good in my opinion and i love them! They are feel good and so much of their latest music is darker, shows the deeper darker things. They are fun and I think they’re trying to be good people
Rather listen to korn
Id take you to a concert too... You're pretty hot 🔥🔥🔥
Their EP’s along with Night Visions were absolutely peak, I have no clue what happened afterwards. I truly do miss their indie roots
Yup you nailed it , it all boils down to people being posers and playing the role of "the one with good taste" . Sure there is plenty to argue about over their exposure , or the quality of their music , and its tones .... but the amount of energy spent claiming it's the absolute worst or even awful , never made sense aside from the need to perform online , or in front of people . Everyone got songs or artists they absolutely can't stand , but the sane and normal reaction to it , would be to avoid it whenever possible , and not to waste hours trashing it online
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Maybe I've been living under a rock, but I had no idea people were hating on imagine dragons. I get that the music is simple, but personally I don't mind simplicity. (I appreciate complex and different ideas but I don't punish simple things too harshly). They can write catchy as hell songs, but I guess the bigger you are, the more people will hate you. Great video!
"The bigger you are, the more people will hate you." I don't think I've ever heard a statement so accurate.
They are a lot of bands that are waaaay worse than ID, but they're mostly in obscurity, so people don't hate on them as much.
The teenagers at my work unironically listen to Nickelback. What a time to live in lol
Nickelback isn't bad. Their lyrics are, but compared to other pop/light rock music, they're par for the course. They're just okay.
Its funny hey, i liked them when i was younger and never got the hate for them. But i did love the memes haha
@@ItsJustMe0585 A few songs arent, but its definitely strip club music. Which I find gross since I find strip clubs gross and a waste of time/money.
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I too once listened to Nickelback and Imagine Dragons around a decade ago when I was around 13. My taste for music gradually shifted to heavier genres as years went
I like imagine dragons. Not like a hardcore fan but I listen to them
I'm a huge fan of ID. Always have been, probably always will.
I think you hit the nail right on the head. I've been bullied and called names simply cause I like them. And those people were basing their opinion on 1 maybe 4 songs, and the opinions of those around them.
Often, when people ask, I recommend songs that are less mainstream, and they really like them. I really think people just like hating cause everyone else does.
And for the last bit, if "authenticity"= depression and emotion, they should listen to Mercury Act1&2.
What a great video, thank you for searching deeper.
I like how you brought up the darkness = authenticity aspect of art. For a long time I have felt I enjoyed music from artists when they were creating during a time of darkness in their lives. Whether it's depression, heartbreak, whatever, I felt an artist's best work of expression came from their suffering.
And I guess that's what makes it so relatable, right? The mass population knows what it's like to suffer and they want to hear other people going through similar experiences. They rarely experience happiness, so hearing happy, upbeat songs might be too unrelatable (but there was that period in time where people loved to listen to people rap about making money and fuckin hos, but maybe that was less about positivity and more about giving guys a fantasy to chase).
My personal example would be with the band Against Me! I absolutely love their music before Laura Jane Grace came out as trans. It has nothing to do with her being trans, but it has to do with what she endured keeping that secret in her life coupled with her younger, anarchistic, and anti-religious perspective. What you got was raw energy with screaming agony in their songs.
After coming out their music obviously changed. Age, influence, perspective, relief, it was a combination of things which made their sound go in a different direction.
I am glad she came out though, because she appears to be genuinely happy with where she's at in life now.
a good example of that is Metallica. After they became mainstream, rich and created stable healthy families, their music doesn't sound as raw anymore. Not much agony to write about
when the point about authenticity was brought up I feel that there is a small but important point that was missed here: their sound, from the songwriting itself to the production, is incredibly artificial. and I know that they are not the first nor will they be the last band to have a production and songwriting team behind them, but in their case (and in my opinion) it has gotten to a point where listening to them feels like listening to plastic. like the songs aren't written, but carefully designed in a lab. personally I don't hate them but I don't consider them a band either- to me, at this point they are a product.
Never thought id see somebody put it so well before..
I agree, ever since evolved came in and they taste bland
Agree. Almost like a DJ/production.
This. I couldn’t have put it better myself. After their first album, and after they got more pop, this is how I feel when I listen to their newer stuff. It’s generic.
Clear as day on that, and can look at other artists also.
I actually like Imagine Dragons. They are a bit too formulaic, so I never seek them out, but their formula sounds fine. They're musically competent.
Admittedly, I DO get aggravated that they get called Rock. But I don't hate them for that, I hate the music industry/critics for that. I've never once heard them on any rock music station. XD
Honestly, I think things are far simpler than your analysis. *It is not about being dark. People love to hate them because they are pegged as "sell-outs" of a promise they never made.*
They were considered "alternative rock" early on and "Radioactive" hinted at them being able to make interesting creative music in the future. So their bland formulaic output is considered a betrayal. Adding salt to injury, they retain their energy and their technical proficiency (they are all good musicians), despite their music never evolving.
In short: it is about what people wanted them to be or thought they would be VS what they are.
I don't think that's true. Imagine Dragons never had any sort of indie cred or higher musical principles to sell out. It is not like if an anarchist band ends up in a RNC superpac ad. They never seemed to me I think they suck because of a lack of any kind of edge and their doo-goodiness. People listen to rock music to rebel and this sounds like the sort of things some super Christian grandmother listens to on the way to youth group with her grandchildren.
@@mattadams2886 they actually did start out in the indie scene, from what I’ve heard… someone I went to college with saw them live when they were still in that scene… and some of their music is darker or edgier than what gets the most radio play. They’re definitely not what I listen to the most nowadays, but I used to a lot and can still appreciate them for what they are. I saw them live back in like 2018 and they really did put on a great show. Definitely prefer their first two albums over the newer stuff, and they played a lot of that, including my favorite song from their first album, which wasn’t even a single. They have talent, they’re just more pop-rock than heavy but that doesn’t mean they have NO edge. Just not as much as other artists that aren’t walking that line between genres. So the issue isn’t so much whether they are good or not, cuz they’re great for pop-rock. They’re doing what that genre is meant to do. They issue is just whether or not people even like pop-rock to begin with. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea and that’s okay. But that definitely doesn’t make them inherently a bad band just bc they don’t fit some people’s preference genre-wise when they’re doing everything right for people who ARE fans of that genre.
@@allyabrams1193saw them live in Seattle in a small venue maybe 6 months to a year before they released their debut album and blew up. Still one of the best shows I’ve ever been to and I can’t stand Imagine Dragons at this point. Heart felt, authentic and powerful was their show. Stylistically and aesthetically they’re much different from what they were. It seems to me they sold out, however I won’t judge their motivations. They do seem to be good people that want to do good in the world.
I agree! I think that’s why people (including myself) struggled with Nickleback, because they made these awesome ballads in the early 2000s that felt like they had depth, and then “Rockstar” changed their whole direction into more scummy songs.
@@gabbydevvvv A "scummy song" meaning.....?
If they're really the most hated then no one would listen to them and they wouldn't be considered one of the most successful bands currently, the hate seems to come from a vocal minority.
You said it all at the end, people simply hate anything popular or mainstream, but all that hate is still considered a just vocal minority from music nerds seeing that Imagine dragons still got the largest following "band" +54 million monthly listeners on Spotify which is the biggest streaming site. And they're clearly successful on charts, so how come they make so much money when they're the most hated?
Remember even Nirvana got a lot of hate back then Music nerds said "Nirvana killed Rock music", now they're legends. Linkin Park, Coldplay also got the hate, but because Imagine dragons are more mainstream they get more hate.
The hate will fade and the current generation who grew up with the band will consider them classic or legends in 15 years. It's the same repeated situation with any mainstream artist/band.
Imagine Dragons is really popular because their music is made for regular everyday non-musically-inclined people. The net they cast for their fans is really big and that net also catches the music fans that are looking for a more complex and interesting sound/writing. And they’re not getting that with Imagine Dragons, hence the negative reception.
Can we say Imagine Dragons is the RAID:shadow legends of rock music?
We sure can!
Really well known, but never met someone who actually liked it? That about sums em' up for me
@@TheMrTwizter also it tries to represent a genre (rpg) but lacks all of the depth and nuances that makes the genre great
I love imagine dragons, but I also seen them when I loved them about 5 years ago or so i think it was right when thunder came out. It was one of the best shows I’ve actually been to and I’ve been to a lot but I agree. After thunder I quit listening to them basically completely because I would hear them 10 different times a day on just about everything. Good music just overplayed
Listening to Imagine Dragons takes me back to my childhood, when my flip phone would be full of their songs recorded from TV via microphone, plus Linking Park. Laugh all you want, their music has actually helped me to better understand myself back then, when I felt like my lost 10 year old self couldn't confide in anyone. Now i find myself in my 20's and still going back to these songs. Is it cringe? Of course, but it was my gateway to the music I love today: Pink Floyd, Talking Heads, The Clash or Grateful Dead. I will always defend Imagine Dragons ❤️
Good points you brought up. I think sometimes the amount you hear songs too might play a part. I remember at some point i didnt care to hear rhcp because i heard them on the radio so much but after a while having not heard them they really grew on me almost like rediscovering their music
Your comments on authenticity and positive versus negative emotions got my thinking on that topic, because I genuinely do find it interesting.
My guess is that positive and happy emotions, or positive concepts like being a parent or having fun at a party, are just "easy". No one needs to write a song or listen to a song to help them understand those feelings. But to understand the depression, anxiety, hopelessness, or other darkness that you're feeling, framing it in a metaphorical song or poem may be the easiest way to express how you're feeling. Expressing negative emotions is frowned upon in our society (although it is getting better) and music is one of the only mediums where no one frowns upon you for expressing the darkness that you feel. You can just say "I love my family" at any time and everyone will be like "yeah dude that's awesome" but if you say "I have no hope and I want to die" people are going to give you weird looks. So why do you need to write a song about loving your family when you can just SAY that whenever you want and no one will judge you?
So therefore, "positive" music basically encroaches upon the territory of "negative" music, when it's one of the few safe havens for that negativity and darkness. And as an extension, positivity is frowned upon in music/art but negativity is frowned upon in real normal conversation. The everyday conversation has a "toxic positivity" problem.
That's my theory and for now I'm sticking to it! I'm curious if other people agree or disagree.
Thats a very interesting theory I’d agree with. But by that same logic do you think it’s possible that the most popular, time less, and universal liked songs are often centered around LOVE because love can reflect both positive and negative emotions?!
Primary surrounding attraction between woman and men. There is certainly no shortage of overly positive songs that become popular about how much we want the opposite sex on supperfical level but there just as many songs about the same feelings that draws us towards the negative feelings of longing for someone and or something and not receiving it. They all center around the same emotion of desire that everyone understands but we are not always good at putting into words in common every speech so music is also written about it!
@@CitizenKen1 I think that's a great expansion on what I said, and I made me think it's less about positive vs negative, but really (like you said) about emotions that are difficult to put into words during normal conversation. Talking to your friends about how much you want someone can be a little weird. But put it into a song and everyone is fine. So yeah, music is a way to express difficult emotions, so easy-to-understand emotions put into songs are often scoffed at because they just feel simple. Not that they're not valid, but just that music is too deep of a medium to share such a simple concept.
Nobody hates Imagine Dragons. If they do they prolly have a bad taste in music.
I remember listening to their first album quite a lot, but it was one of those; “I don’t know whether I like this or not” things. Like there’s just some things you’re not quite sure of and you don’t know if you like it or not, you can’t put your finger on it. Then I realised one day I just don’t like them, at all. I don’t hate them or wear it as a badge of honour, I simply do not care about them, and never will.
I loved "It's time to begin", it felt fresh and genuine, and lets not get started on how amazing "Demons" was. That first album showed a lot of great potential. Then that potential seemed to go out the window for a more corporate friendly sound. It seems so fake, probably cause you hear their new stuff on commercials and the super market and box stores. It's like another lifeless item on sale at the massively rich superstore.
I didn't know I was supposed to dislike these guys, but I keep getting their stuff in my feed every time they put something new out. I can't name anything they've done, but that's not a knock on them as songwriters. I liked their first hit, the Thunder song, and at least one of the songs off their newest album is getting repeats in my daily playlist, but I wouldn't have been able to tell you it was them if I hadn't looked to see who it was. This is the first time since their first album that I listened to a song they wrote more than once on purpose.
Also, as an Albertan, Chad Kroeger writing douchie lyrics is spot on. If you grew up in a small town in the prairies you'd get it. He could have written country songs. Luckily (?) we got a guy that thought going to the rippers was the high point of Canadian society. Fuckin eh.
Imagine Dragons used to be my favorite band and were the first band I got big into. They even headlined the first concert I went to. I don’t listen to them much now, but I own the fact that at one point I was a big fan. I didn’t really listen to much else at the time so there wasn’t really any competition though. I started moving away from them when they released Origins. I loved the first 3 albums but I really did not like Origins. It was then when I started looking for other bands and gained more of a taste in music
I use to feel the same way about Origins took me 4 years to like it. My issue was I was so attached and nostalgic to Night Visions and Smoke and Mirrors that I couldn’t accept anything different from those two albums. They helped me through a bad depression.
I got to see them live last month and heard Birds live I dunno it just changed something in me and I listened to other songs on that album and loved it. They are still there but just ventured into other things too
"and gained more of a taste in music" you're the people the video you're commenting under is talking about :D
@@FruityHachi I didn’t say that to take a shot at Imagine Dragons. It’s just that I wasn’t listening to much else at the time. As a matter of fact, Imagine Dragons were the only artists that I was listening to full albums of. If you only consistently listen to one artist or band, then I wouldn’t say that you have much of a taste in music, since you haven’t explored enough music to see what you really like and dislike. When I began looking for other bands, my personal music tasted started to grow and evolve.
@@thundercloud280_ i disagree, you can have a taste in music even when you listen to just one artist
why? because taste in music is subjective, and when you listen to one artist or band regularly that means that you do know what you like otherwise you wouldn't be listening to them
and i'm pretty sure that you'd not think someone doesn't have a taste in music if all they've listened to is Queen
@@FruityHachiNah it doesn't. It just means you lack the want to look outside what you currently know.
Another fantastic video!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I’d love to know your take on static x
Over saturation is a rly big part of it I believe. Radioactive/believer was used as these like place holder theme songs for like at least 4 cw shows like back to back. I remember specifically Riverdale & the 100 using them and I want to say the Katie Keene failure but that doesn't feel right.. Anywho I think also when you just like a song it can get played out to you cuz all you got out of the song was it was catchy and fun. Now when it's a song by a band you already like and/or you have some kinda deeper connection to the lyrics or it's linked to some kinda memory that really impacted you. The memory one is a very strong connection good or bad. There's many times I've seen songs be huuuuge triggers to SA victims where hearing it brings them right there instantly.
I've seen it do the same for positive super impactful 1's as well.
Anyways it's crazy cuz I think if maybe the songs didn't feel so 'empty' so too speak. When you hear the same song on 2 shows and 3 commercials in the same 90 minute block of time; it's pretty difficult for the song to feel impactful or meaningful in any way.
And when it feels like meaningless 'party-ish' music then it can get played out quickly.
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When something feels disposable or replaceable it's treated as such.
Just my $0.02 🤷🏼♀️
6:20 "With even the most die-hard contrarians unwilling to stand up for Imagine Dragons" might be the sickest burn I've ever heard 😂🙏
As a "lazy centrist" myself, you, Finn, being the voice of ~ reasonable human beings ~ is what I subscribe for
Never thought about that "darkness = authentic" point, this is a profound episode in many ways
More psychological analysis of things please, it's great!
Love you brother, thank you for the thoughtful content
Thank you for watching!
Imagine Dragons is music for kids whose parents didn't let them watch R-rated movies until they were 17
Finn should pin this comment
I guess the pushback I would offer to people who say “their music sucks” is could you at least just say that you just don’t enjoy it? But I feel like it’s the most arbitrary thing in the world to say “this sucks” without saying what you don’t like about it. He carries way more power to potentially frustrate or even influence someone instead of just saying “you know I don’t like some of the lyrics or the production, it’s just not my taste.” I feel like if anything, we can use a few more words with our conversation on the Internet.
I used to be the "I hate _____ because they are too mainstream" kid back then, but I have thankfully grown out of that and its the most freeing thing to just admit "its not my style or my cup of tea, but they got people out there who love them so who am I to say anything if its not my jam?" its ok to not have any valid or popular (or any at all period) opinions on something and just admit that things exist that ain't for you and move on. creating a whole identity to hate something that ain't your flavor is not only strange in hindsight, but also just exhausting to keep up and maintain.
if a person hates hotsauce, they just dont put it on their food and eat food they like without adding hotsauce, and usually, there is zero mention at every meal/snack they eat at how much they hate hotsauce cause that would be weird.
Any artist that gets overplayed on Spotify playlists gets my ire purely because the nature of my job makes it impossible for me to not hear them for 9hrs/day for 5-6 days a week. It's why I hate Christmas music so much. I don't think all Christmas music is fundamentally bad, I just hate how I can't escape it once the season starts.
I saw AWOLNATION live about 10 years ago and Imagine Dragons were the opening band. I remember a third of the audience left before the main band and I was really baffled at that. Looking back, it's kinda crazy how much ID has shadowed AWOLNATION, yet is much less beloved.
Finn! Love the videos. I'd love to use them as a discussion starter for my middle school general music class, but the language man. Nothing against it personally, just thought I'd put it out there.
Awesome video! Biggest reason I listen to the music i do, of all genres, is because of its aura. A philosopher I forgot the name of wrote that you could take a symphony written in the time of war, and practice until you master it. But because of the context of the creation and it’s reason for creation will change its overall aura. I feel this is what is lost in a lot of this brand of music.
I like how you used the hate for Imagine Dragons as the basis to talk about the idea that dark, edgy, sadness, anger, depression are the only emotions/moods that make a song “authentic”. It’s something I myself bought into as a teen getting into metal/metalcore/post-hardcore, and I definitely agree with your take on that topic.
As far as Imagine Dragons themselves go, I really liked their first album Night Visions. I wouldn’t put it in my personal best albums of all time list, but it’s on my list of no-skip albums (tentatively, I need to go back and listen to it again to confirm). Everything after that was just kind of disappointing and I personally just lost interest in them. Although “Enemy” was pretty decent for an Imagine Dragons song.
Awesome video! Hope to see more stuff like this in future videos. On a side note: Boy Band tier list on your second channel when?
boy band tier list for the drip factor!!!!!!
As a rock music fan, that was exactly my issue with Imagine Dragons: they are categorized as a rock band when they are not and it takes away from other authentic rock bands out there who do not get recognized. Other than that, I have no hate or ill feelings towards them. To each their own.
Exactly how are they not rock tho? People go on about how they are not "real" rock, yet never actually explain why they is the case.
Great video and analysis! I love how you blow up false dichotomies like how you can dislike a band’s music while also not being hateful.
I used to love their first album, I remember listening to their singles one after the other and thinking ‘why I never heard of them before?’
I didn’t mind them at first and even worked out to that ‘breathe in the chemicals’ song a few times before it got unbearable. At that time I would agree that the hate wasn’t very valid but…. Then I heard that damn Thunder song, and experienced the black magic for myself of the song getting stuck in a loop in my mind for days. Now I hate them
Those songs are both so saturated and gimmicky.
@@paulg6274 yea that’s what i’m saying they suck
I like Imagine Dragons in someways but where I have a problem is they are still labeled Rock or alternative In some circles especially in award shows
Currently I would say they fit more in pop category.
I mean, there are some alternative rock radio stations that play their current hit Enemy.
i don't get why some people say ID's music is not dark, when one of their singles is Demons
and Wrecked is probably their most depressive mainstream song
Not a fan, but I like their second album for the most part. A couple songs have some pretty enjoyable guitar solos. And they're actually pretty good with lyrics.
Nickelback, Creed, and Imagine Dragons should steer into the skid and go on a co-headlining tour.
not a good idea, you'd have a lot of 40-50 year old creepy fans of creed/nickleback, preying on the 15-20 year old fans of Imagine Dragons
@Crustaceus Lobsterborn one republic and maroon 5 were both good till 2014
Won’t happen with Creed. 3 of the 4 members of Creed moved on with their band they formed in the early 2000’s - Alter Bridge.
@@heybrowhatup but if they did pull it back together…it would be the Butt Rock concert of a lifetime!!!
@@dirtybird311 add five finger death punch
I’ve never known a single person who is in to indie rock who considered this band to be indie rock.
That was more of a media label and even that's about ten years out of date.
It's a label that's outdated. Their "It's Time" EP is what I might consider to be Indie Rock, but that EP was released more than 10 years ago.
This video is really helpful. Your rather indifferent tone is very helpful too. Makes me think you're not taking sides. Great stuff.
This rock-adjacent dance-pop sound was probably the predominant sound of rock music through most of the 2010’s. Imagine Dragons were at the forefront of that, but it also meant soundalikes such as AJR and Walk the Moon were everywhere too & that was a sonic shift that was simply unwelcome to a large faction of fans of alternative music. I think it’s all part of the sinking realization of the fact of life that things that catered to you when you’re 20 years old are still going to cater to 20 year olds when you’re 40.
To me, most Imagine Dragons songs are okay. Very few are better than okay, and just a couple are terrible (I really can’t stand “Demons” or “Thunder”). But those two tracks aside, it is highly amusing to watch people get so worked up over something so mediocre and inoffensive.
My theory is that these rock-adjacent dance-pop bands you're talking about were signed and pushed by the major labels because it was the perfect music to license to commercials so they could make money off of it since they werent making much money from album sales anymore. They didnt care about finding the next Nirvana or Green Day, they went the safe and easy money making route pushing the stuff that would appeal to the most people possible. No more taking chances. When all the 90s alt rock bands were signed by major labels they were signed because the label hoped they would sell records. Selling their music to get played in commercials wasnt even thought of back then and in the last decade it was the priority.
Labels like Run for Cover records were putting out the "real" alternative rock music in the past decade but the major labels didnt sign them like they would have in past eras and passed on them for all the dance pop/indie pop bands with the hipster aesthetic.
I think another big reason for the hate is that Imagine Dragons ended up in an unfortunate position where their success meant that every other record label wanted bands that sounded just like them. Not only did we all get oversaturated by the band themselves, but there was so much other mainstream rock at the time that just sounded exactly like them and was just as bland, and I think most people are able to make that association back to the original and blame them for it. A shitty price to pay for coming up with a sound that people like, but that seems to be how it works.
I dig Imagine Dragons, I don't love every single song but enemy is my current fave. I do agree they get a bit overplayed but I avoid radio stations like the plague because it makes me hate every song that gets played due to it being on a loop. As I get older I get bored listening to only one genre, so I don't stay in one lane long enough to really get bored of any one particular song. Some music is timeless for me and doesn't ever get old but that's a pretty small pool. Another interesting discussion though, keep it up man!
I actually didnt knew about that because i liked the enemy song,thunder,warriors,believer etc but i didnt knew ppl really hated them
Thanks for talking about this topic. I am listening ID for a long time now and have been their fan. I got into music thanks to them, started to play guitar, started to make my own stuff and becoming more obsessed with music in general. I got into really interensting music thanks to them. I love their first two records. I think they are really good alr rock/synth rock in modern age. But I have to admit I really dont like their really popular stuff...its not interesting that much and really commercial. Today I am part of larger community of musicians and am really fan of many different genres, heavy music, soft music, proggy music...but I´ll always come back to ID. Some of their stuff is really interesting and playfull. Have nice melodies, nice vibe. It´s not about sounding complex and shit but making music they feel like. I really like their last record, it´s turnaround towards their older stuff. Dan Reynolds is a guy that is very openminded and talks a lot about depression and lqbt stuff and tries to educate a world about them. I must say...in some of their songs are really heavy and dark themes, such as depression, lonelinnes, death of a loved one etc. but it´s not as much popular. I am just sad people don´t even give artist a chance and are mad about it immediatelly...it just makes me sad. Same goes for many more bands, but it´s a long story
I totally understand that they don´t have to be loved by everyone and it´s okay. But why hate all the time? I just recommend you all to give them a chance and try to make some research. Maybe you´ll find something interesting :)). And if you don´t like them? That´s okay, everyone has a different musical taste!
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Bonding over shared dislikes/enemies is one of the fundamental human conditions. You can't change biology. And ID got massively popular on music that enough people consider pretty bland and milquetoast. Plus, it's more of a meme to make fun of ID than an indicator of how strongly a person feels about the band.
Thank you so much Finn, you never dissappoint. You made me realize a lot of things about myself with this one.
I've always been the first one to hop on hating the new popular band/artist, thinking that only songs about dark stuff were the only real thing and that everything else was just fabricated garbage.
Now that I'm about to turn 30 I've grown tired of so much darkness and deppression in my life. I still listen to the bands I grew up listening to and thanks to you I've found new ones that pick up where those bands left off like Vein.FM, Knocked Loose and Turnstile.
But I am open to giving new things a chance, music genres I always wrote off as corny, cheesy, etc and more times than not I end up enjoying them.
And this video sums up perfectly why I used to be like that. I've always seen myself as an insecure loser (I have an Alkaline Trio tattoo so that should be clear enough lol) but the older I grow, the less I care about what the rest may think. I live my life, do my thing and open myself to new, more exciting experiences.
Thank you again Finn, you always hit the nail dead on. Keep on punk rockin'!
I have 4 Alk3 tattoos, so I feel you! ahah
I was definately a Bieber hater. it's easy to join the badwagon
I don't think people are shitting on popular bands just because they're popular and because that's the cool thing to do. It's one thing to be able to hear a song and say "yeah that's not for me" but when these bands and songs get popular they become inescapable. If you are already luke warm on a song and then you hear it every time you turn on the radio or enter a grocery store you're going to just flat out hate it eventually and the more you hear a song you hate the more you will vocalize it. If the hate for a popular band dies down with their popularity, it isn't because their music is no longer tasteless or bland, it's because the people listening to it at that point will be the ones who actually enjoyed that band and who go out of their way to listen to it.
If everyone is forced to eat bologna sandwiches or not at all and then you ask them all what they thought of bologna you'll generally get a very negative sentiment.
If people are given the option to eat whatever kind of sandwich they want, and then you ask what the people who got bologna sandwiches what they think of bologna, you're going to get a much more positive reaction. Hopefully that made sense.
Bingo!! 💯. People don’t “hate” them as people, they just get tired of hearing the same song all the time, if it is overplayed and does NOTHING for them.
Love your intake on bands like this. I’m actually a Mormon and am here to say that we don’t “hate gay people or look down upon them”. That’s the media for you I guess. I’ve been around them for my whole life and never once known a Mormon to have those feelings. I’m regard to imagine dragons, I can’t say I love them or listen to them ever, but I also think what they do outside of their music is genuine. Which is impressive compared to many others in their position!
Happen to be Mormon too, and frankly they are too “Mormon like”. lol. Not enough edge, not hard enough, not enough identity, or not enough soul. Idk, it’s weird. I know a lot of Mormons absolutely love them, of course these are Mormons that are more conservative in their music genre taste. Just seems like a band or DJ that would perform at a school dance or a church activity (maybe “Christian Rock” might be how to describe them, actually not “Rock” maybe “Christian 2000s New Wave”?). But WTF do I know, I find myself reaching back to Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Tool, and then to more 80s and 90s metal and 70s and 80s punk, since we seem to be lacking much rock or harder alternative these days (Jack White might be one of the only things of any interest that is somewhat “current”, probably because his talent is just so hard to deny….oh, the Foo Fighters, Hawkins tribute at Wembley was pretty decent as well)
It was the official position of your church that black people were lesser in the eyes of God until 1978, and it is still the church's official position that same sex marriage should not be allowed and that same sex attraction is sinful. You can claim to not be a bigot, but you still openly endorse and support a deeply bigoted institution, which does more to show your true colors than your words ever will.
I like Imagine Dragons. They made a few dope songs that I find fitting in my dramatic music playlist. I like how malleable they are. They have at least one song for each of my longer playlists. They made a couple themes for League of Legends, which I used to play. Arcane got their song Enemy. I like them.
The scene at the end of SLC Punk where Brandy explains to Steve-O that not conforming is just conforming in a different way reminds me so much of what you said. It is a brilliant scene and made my young, rebellious mind question everything when I first saw it as a teenager.
Personally, their songs feel like they're creating really good and creative stock sounds for background listening. The kind that doesn't distract you in the supermarket but makes you really good about being there. And there's nothing wrong with that, I love it when I recognise them in movies. Would not listen to the album, but love hearing them on the radio.
You nailed all the reasons genuine people don’t like them. I think overexposure is number 1 for me. Sick of hearing them everywhere.
That, and their music is bland.
so you don't like them because they are successful? lmao
@@famebrightstudio451 If you're forced to eat rice every single day and you come to hate it that doesn't mean you hate it for being one of the most successful crops
@@twoheadedkitten13 they make really good songs but like linkin park their songs are too similar. They make great catchy stadium anthems but they lack depth/are too swallow/ similar and formulaic in lyrical content, melody and song structure.
I thing they trump the police (band) for repetitive hooks. How many times does he say radioactive in that song?
You nailed this one. If you don't like something, leave it alone and move on with your life. I especially resonate with what you said about "good music" HAVING to come from a dark place. That mindset is way too narrow and limiting. Art is about expression, and it's very beneficial as an artist to have some modicum of balance in the things you are expressing. Great example used too, because as someone who loves brutal, dark shit; I can still respect the hell out of a song that's speaking on being a better human and parent to your child. I don't have kids, but I've had experience trying to be a positive influence in the lives of children. That topic is as human as it gets and there is a LOT of weight behind it. Great video Finn 👍
Botch is back! I’d love to hear ur take on them and history / details 🤞
They have got me through some really rough times (losing my parents) so I obviously am a bit biased when I say I love them a lot. People are free to their opinions, but deadass hate isn't cool to me.
It’s time was produced by Brandon Darner… Slipknot’s 1998 ex-percussionist
Nice haha
I was listening to the new Autopsy disc "Morbidity Triumphant" before watching this vid, but I will admit, I like them, I don't give a f*ck, seen 'em live twice.
That's a pretty impressive Chad maneuver, hats off to you sir
@@Juliankb39 hmmm, can a 53 year old metal guy (with obvious tastes for other genres as well) really be a "Chad"? ...... just an old fart that like music... just saw Iron Maiden / Within Temptation last week.... Ghost / Mastodon before that.... Palaye Royale / Starbenders before that...
@@Urotsukidoji1 yes
I'm surprised people consider Imagine Dragons' songs uninspired or meaningless. Most of their hit songs (yes, including thunder) came from Dan's past experiences as he was bullied growing up and has learned to deal with his emotions, especially after losing his sister. The songs sure do seem a lot more unique than every other current pop rock band that only sings about falling in love with someone. I think most people either just don't listen to the lyrics or they like to hop on the bandwagon of hate because "who else would we make fun of?"
This comment. It's so true
A great band with great lyrics (no bubbly butts money all over or toxic relationships or whatever modern pop is all about) and some songs really closer to me throughout the years - "Yesterday", "Believer" and so on. Other older musicians hating on them so much and that publicly without certain critique maybe shows some fear they are not that relatable anymore. Idk, just enjoy music
For me, it’s not so much the emotion being expressed, it’s HOW it’s being expressed. Like when Motionless in White get sadboi it’s really corny, but I love me some moody Fiona Apple.
I guess the whole “hate” comes indeed from this mislabeling them as rock band cause the real music narrative is mainly within the rock / metal / punk community. And I don’t often see that much negativity towards let’s say pop artists from the same community - they seem to mainly not care about it
Thank you for this video. I loved your analysis and the objectivity of it, great work.
"disliking and rejecting any kind of mainstream music because they want people to see them as someone who has "good taste" in music " true, when i was a teen i rejected mainstream music and listened to japanese, korean and chinese music
but now since kpop is mainstream, the hate towards kpop is so big, and at the same time i also kinda lost interest in it and mostly listen to soundtracks from kdramas, those are less popular
I actually really liked Radioactive when it first came out and had the thought that they were pioneering the future of mainstream radio rock. I was really excited to see how their music would evolve, but in terms what I enjoy, it felt like it devolved. I imagine rock fans feel a bit stronger about their music than other pop bc it's almost like a bait and switch as opposed to being something you can easily just ignore as "not made for me". They seem like really nice people though so I'm way more hesitant to dogpile on them than I was with Nickelback.
I think your point about that pop country song misses the mark a bit because that song actually does seem authentic as opposed to one of the biggest country hits in recent memory, "Fancy Like". A song like "Sweet Avenue" reminds me of a quote from the Van Gogh Dr who episode: "Pain is easy to portray, but to use your passion and pain to portray the ecstasy and joy and magnificence of our world, no one had ever done it before." I think a lack of passion is the bigger musical crime than a lack of darkness or pain.
"Sollamander" Speaking of Radioactive and mainstream rock music in that time period, the 2010s would have been defined by a lot of Electronic Rock if most Boomer and Gen X Rock fans didn't bitch about it. Instead of innovation and modern influence in that decade, we just got stuff that sounded like The Black Keys, GVF etc instead of embracing bands such as BMTH, NBT, Starset, Royal Blood, Highly Suspect, Nothing More, Badflower, Stand Atlantic, Holding Absence, Yours Truly etc
Well said
I think this analysis is spot on until you get to the darkness part. I think it’s almost the opposite-the lack of anything but this general positivity is what gives an air of inauthentic music. When your music only explores a single or few emotions, lyrical contents, completely agree that’s immature and only scratching the surface of the human condition. The same can be said for countless metal bands.
Yeah, normally I appreciate Finn’s optimism but here it feels like he was just making up a straw man. Party music can be great, and I’d even take Ke$ha over IG because she seems to have a point of view.
Have you even listened to the bands music? They have a wider range of genres and emotions than any other band. Maybe their most popular songs aren't varied, but that doesn't represent their entire discography.
@@Z.L.K. Bit of a sweeping generalization. Even if that were true, bands are often evaluated on their most popular songs rather than their discography. If the premise of the video is why Imagine Dragons is hated, it certainly isn't because of their complete discography.
@@hbade "bands are often evaluated on their most popular songs rather than their discography" then you get a skewed impression, since the masses will pick upbeat songs over depressing sounding ones to make popular
Wrecked is depressing both in the sound and lyrics but didn't become popular like Radioactive or Thunder
@@FruityHachi that's the point
Nicely formulated, bet you have many contemplating level headed criticism. Being Punk Rock really means something when you find the emotions of optimism issued by a host like you. I think ultimately the "Real Music" afficonoto likes them too, but the darkness surrounding them, helps them feel like kernels of knowledge amongst an unruly scene, like a buried treasure, in the deeper darkness.
I listen to depressing music like The Smiths, Radiohead, Elliot Smith, etc. but I'm also a fan of All Time Low, Walk The Moon, BTS and other Kpop groups, etc. I would say that some people maybe just don't get what it's like to be the other person. There's these "real music people" that don't know and wouldn't know what it's like just to let themselves be "normies" and just to have fun if they keep their minds closed. The same way that the majority of people that listen to popular music, also don't get the "real music" people, who identifies themselves with the art and can actually evoke some feelings that most popular music can't. So these "real music" people would get resentful at the "normies" just because they think (subconsciously or consciously) that they don't understand what they are feeling. And maybe also these kinds of people already have personal and mental health issues (because tbh, most people that have these certain kind of music taste made their personal and life issues as a driving force to like the "real music" and become one of the most hardcore fans - I think I'm one of them here lol). It's a kind of therapy that they get from proudly hating these things, the way they also get the therapeutic feelings from listening to their favorite artists that can actually say something about them.