@@thedragonadvances Nah, his rankings were incorporated into the final scores, but because he's such an outlier (and because the consensus around ttar/skarm is pretty strong) his opinion hasn't shifted the results very much. It's like dropping a single ice cube into a pot of boiling water - it does reduce the temperature a bit, but you probably wouldn't notice the difference if you put your hand in it.
Can't believe you put Tyraniar of all Pokémon in the S tier, which corresponds to the highest possible ranking. Last time, you ranked it as barely scratching the ten best looking Pokémon. This amount of variance is frankly insane.
@@willywonka6487 Trolling isn't the right word. Jimothy has a light sense of humor and tends to be a bit silly. That's all that's going on here. He's attracted a community that like things that are silly. Did you see his interview with Furret? Or his intervention with Furret and Zigzagoon? The people here are just an extension of that.
@@Clooger-both. I think he more wanted to make points about certain mons/strategies rather than genuinely rank all of them into tiers. Salamence at the bottom is an obvious troll, but there was some clear truth behind his reasoning for his rankings of blissey, dugtrio, etc
I feel like it's definitely safe to call them both "premier" because they can excel at different things. For example, mons like Tyranitar and Salamence carry fire coverage mainly for Skarm, while Swampert doesn't mind coming in on that. They play different enough where one does not outclass the other, whereas every special wall has to contend with Blissey.
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Miltank is definitely underrated in gen 3. Being a cleric/setup sweeper in the same set is very nice roll compression. I think it works great on rest spam teams with suicune and Snorlax.
@InsertFunnyThingHere Curse, depending on the set, it runs Heal Bell/Coverage, Milk Drink, Curse, and a choice of attack. With Some SpD investment and it's naturally high bulk it can difficult to remove without any special weaknesses. Unfortunately taunt, encore, skarm, a choice bander, Steel/Ghost types, running out of heal bells, it has a lot of problems and things that need to be dealt with to work.
I put poliwrath on the official VR for this year. Cowardly. In all seriousness, happy to see a lot of attention towards the VR, lots of good discussion going on. ADV has risen to S tier, folks.
It's only saving grace is knock off and bulk. It's damage is mid, it can't spread status, it's slow, it's bulk isn't much better then Machamp thanks to low defenses, if didn't have Knock off people wouldn't use it.
@ I disagree completely. If you pair this thing with wish Bliss it turns into an unkillable knock spreader, who also can definitely toxic a lot of things (Milo claydol etc), also absorbs status
I play mostly offensive teams.. Blissey is a nightmare, ABR might be right about that one. Blissey and Skarmory both feel like fundamental pokemon for their respective defensive uses, but Skarmory feels so much easier to manage because the trap just easily works on it. There's no need to get a sub for your magneton, no worry about getting hit with a move on the switch, you just do it and it happens and you're happy. And even if you don't or your team can't, skarmory actually gets chipped down by moves, since protect chip is its healing. Blissey can just come in and softboiled and repeat this over and over. Playing physical offense feels so much more manageable than playing special offense.
Things have changed; we're gonna take a look at how the metagame has shifted, what ended up getting ranked officially, and just talking about all these Pokémon briefly and their place in the format.
1:06:17 Jimothy with the insane Etrian Odyssey bgm?????? My day has improved the same way Muk Monday uploads do!!!?? The coincidence of my favourite game series coming on while he talks about his favourite gen 3 ou mon!!!!??!???
Back in the Netbattle days, I remember Weezing was my go-to physical wall (after Skarmory). Crazy to see it down in E now. I don't even remember Swampert being used in OU back in the day.
i know everyone else playing the tier disagrees but i find the recent skarmory hype really weird, i just don't consider it to be that crazy. it's extremely overpowered in a vacuum but the fact that magneton exists makes it completely unreliable, any good team that's weak to skarm will have a magneton so by running one on your team the only guaranteed value you get is one spike. outside of the magneton matchup it's obviously an excellent physical wall but any physical threat will either have ways to break through, tools to get around it or teammates to punish it, and spikes are very high impact but that's why there's a number of excellent spinners (many of which can comfortably 1v1 skarm), and any proper team lacking both magneton and a spinner will either ignore spikes or be offensive enough not to care about them. to me skarm feels similar to ttar, it's extremely high impact on the metagame and is one of the main factors to consider in teambuilding, but in terms of actually using it i don't feel it's all that viable. i'm not an elite player but i'm pretty decent at adv, and the more experienced i've gotten with the tier the less i've been using skarm, i just don't consider its tools to be valuable when the entire tier is focused on neutralising them. if i want to use skarm that means i want an answer to physical checks and i want spikes, but i could get more reliable spikes and an ok physical check by running forretress (it also gets trapped by mag but it's got a way better roll, mag doesn't always run hp fire anyway, and forrie at least has eq which it can use to catch mag on the way in), or since skarm necessitates a backup physical check anyway i could use those two slots to run a swampert and an aggro spiker like glalie
Underrated uses of Magneton: -metal sound helps Special offense teams to beat Snorlax and last Mon Blissey. -endure salac is great as an anti offense measure. -good answer to CB metagross -underrated as a check to Zapdos and Aerodactyl. -forces Water types out in fear of bolt or hp grass I think the linear curve EV spreads with bulk are pretty outdated. Most ppl run modest magnet or timid to beat chipped skarms/opposing mags, with the occasional salac.
I really think Zard is underrated. If at full health, it can tank a Gar tbolt and be in instant blaze range and be VERY dangerous. It invites in Blissey and tears it up with beat up. Blaze range overheat is the strongest move in the metagame barring boom. It takes out Pert with hp grass with minimal chip. It's unaffected by spikes. Because of blaze it likes taking damage. You can switch it in on wisps. All it needs is a couple rock resist parterns and a partner with ice beam to take out mence.
Yama top of E tier, I thought it would be bottom of D and regice be top of E, also quag > Blaziken is funny, also the dishonest ninjask is insanely high imo but I'm not qualified to speak on the topic
Can you do a tier list of Gen 3 OU Pokemon you would want to go to the bar with? Like Big Yellow’s UU’s most social drinkers video. Seems like something right up your alley
One weather clear strat I've been trying is magnet zap. It 2hkos max hp tar which often forces them to ko zap after one dance. Jolly dug can then get an easy elim
blissey is s tier for sure. it shapes the tier so much. several mons have sets just to kill blissey, and some mons are good because they can handle both of blissey and skarm at the same time (Charizard). The mon's existence just hard counters one of the most popular team archetypes, not to mention it absolutely decides matches by how it walls so effectively a team once the big physical attackers have been slain. it's a massive presence in post-turn 60 ADV matches, just like skarm. don't think it's as important as skarm and tar because spikes and sand shape ADV more than blissey's tankiness imo, but it's S or S- for certain
@ The biggest point to me is the way Blissey shapes team building. Mons carry fire type moves for Steels and Grass types, they carry Grass type moves for Water and Rock types, but Mons also carry entire moves for just Blissey. They carry Mons to counter just Blissey. If your team gets status or weakened early your Dug may not even beat it anymore and your best option may be to trade 1 or more Mons to wear it down. What Mons can beat both Suicune and Salamence other than Blissey? Blissey is also maybe the best status spreader in the tier other than Skarm. Blissey can spend whole turns clicking moves like Aromatherapy or Wish and get no benefit from it personally bc it’s that good.
Stats-wise, I think it'd be really funny to run those average rankings without ABR's input because I'm pretty sure he ended up spoiling a number of mons in that tier list, lol
1:00:22 wait until he realizes that he called Swampert's Hydro pump a "massive hit" into skarm and Flygon's fire blast "not that strong" despite the fact that they have the same special attack stat, the moves have the same BP, and Flygon's fire blast is slightly stronger than stab Hydro pump bc a 2x multiplier is stronger than a 1.5x multiplier
Three options really - 1) Be super cautious with your skarmory at first, either roar or switch out first turn if it has Pokemon which indicate a magneton (Slaking, fighting lead, Snorlax, two dragon dancers, tend to be the main tells on ladder) 2) Be aggro and accept getting trapped in exchange for getting a layer of spikes down, for this to succeed you need to keep up the tempo and basically never give them the opportunity to spin, or punish them hard if they try. 3) "Matchup fish" and start using a Skarm with hidden power ground, or double swap to Dugtrio. If you really want some catharsis and just want to crush and annoy Magneton users you can go Skarmory, Dugtrio(with sand attack) and then Porygon or Gardevoir with trace and sub + boost up and have some fun. Though that is definitely not a good team overall.
Not one pokemon is without counterplay in adv. Even SkarmBliss has answers. Your job as a teambuilder is to acknowledge individual mon weaknesses and have team support as a backup. If you depend on Skarm for spikes, ask yourself, what kind of teams are running mag? And prep the rest of your team to punish them.
As someone who doesn't keep up with the metagame, why isn't Alakazam ranked? The Smogon analysis for Gen 3 Alakazam says "...Alakazam has the most options of almost any special sweeper in the game...is a force to be reckoned with, and should always be considered when making a team." Are the Smogon write-ups just hilariously out of date? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but the difference is just so stark.
Just out of date i think I imagine it's just hard to be a frail mono psychic in a tier where Ttar, Bliss, Meta, Snorlax etc all spong your stab attack and the only mon you hit super effectively in the whole tier is Gengar (who could still kill you with explosion or destiny bond)
I agree w/ the person above. As an gen 3 alakazam fan, i find his biggest weakness is his lack of good opportunities to actually do meaningful things, bc so many ppl resist psychic, his coverage options r low base power for someone so frail, and its really hard to switch in. One reason why gengar is so good is bc of his 3 immunities + toxic and spikes immunity, he has a million switch in opportunities, and can still make progress w/ utility like wisp, taunt, or preserve momentum with boom or destiny bond, while dealing respectable special dmg. Alakazam does have encore, knock off and trick, but those r considerably more situational given the fact that its real hard for zam to switch in. Hes very, very high risk, with low to medium reward, so to most, hes not worth using.
The analyses are out of date. Tyranitar's omnipresence, Dark typing, and access to Pursuit render Alakazam unviable or a matchup fish. If you don't want to fish, you're forced to run Focus Punch or Dugtrio alongside it.
Happy to not see Scisor here, guy has to be the biggest ladder bait. Also nah, T-tar is number 1, depending on the set, Tyranitar legit only has a few counters stopping it from sweeping a game. And even those counters can be taken out with a tech move.
I think the disrespect for claydol stems from the fact that there arent many pokemon and it feels weird saying claydol is more prevalent than the mons above it even if it sort of is.
@@tehrik0020 Tbh they have better typing and better abilities than pure psychic and synchronize, and mew's only good unique option is like explosion, but idk if something simple like sd + recover or cm + recover is too good on its own?
@@LiveTwinReactionfirst off, rachi doesn't have instant heal which is vital. Neither get Transform which on Mew is actually broken (imagine running a setup sweeper mew for lategame, but in the early game you can copy skarmory or forre for spikes). Mew also gets bulk up, it would be the only fast bulk up user with instant heal, it's like snorlax but a fast sweeper instead of a hax magnet. I could go on, but mew's greatest strength is that it can run multiple top of class sets and you can't really tell what it's running without risking a poke.
Dug really struggles to get in without a sac because of how frail it is + the proliferation of spikes + ice, water, and grass all being really common attacking types. It's trapping options are a lot more limited than in a lot of other games, with flying types being super common and a lot of other top mons just beating it anyway. Overload strategies (where you run multiple mons with the same checks/counters to overwhelm those checks/counters) are usually what makes trapping broken, but most of the best overloads in Gen 3 try to overload Skarm/Pert because of their lack of reliable recovery, but Dug can't trap either of them because they beat physical attackers, those teams want Mag instead. Dug is really good on special offense as a Blissey remover and it has its believers as a revenge killer thanks to its great speed. It can also be used as a tar trapper on teams that want to get rid of sand with rain dance/sunny day (this is largely why ABR put it 2nd, he's a huge believer in things like Suicune/Zard and in sandless Lax teams). ABR says lead dug is good to remove lead tar, but it sucks against every other lead in the game so most people stay clear.
@@theultimatepielord8697it's also good as a lead vs meta but i agree that lead dug is a very unstable lead that only really works at the highest levels when you're calling out specific teams
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Reminder that Quagsire is only here because that's where he felt like being today.
Even without Unaware, Quagsire goes where he pleases.
He is so unaware he does what he wants
@@ThisIsntARUclipsr people keep forgetting how great water absorb quagsire is.
If he wanted he could easily be AG, but be restrains himself. Probably just because he’s stupid tbh
Quagsire is the best Pokemon. It's not restricted by nonsense like tiering.
Metagross dropping from S to A+… Powercreep this generation is so strong…
bro thats not called power creep, thats called meta development
That's the joke
@@minhvutuan7121can’t believe Gamefreak be powercreeping my gen 3 OU singles and im sad about it 😔
@@minhvutuan7121r/whoosh
going from top 3 to top 3 but not as much
It's an aggregate of everyone's ranking but ABR's
"We have concluded that ABR has done too many drugs and his ranking has been discarded"
But ABR was on the spreadsheet in the video. Did they just ignore him anyways?
@thedragonadvances no, it's a joke since ABR has wild rankings compared to everyone else
@@Yearofthebows24 thanks mate
@@thedragonadvances Nah, his rankings were incorporated into the final scores, but because he's such an outlier (and because the consensus around ttar/skarm is pretty strong) his opinion hasn't shifted the results very much. It's like dropping a single ice cube into a pot of boiling water - it does reduce the temperature a bit, but you probably wouldn't notice the difference if you put your hand in it.
Unlike Magneton I do not trap Skarmory, however, similar to Magneton, I would also die from an earthquake.
so I am approximately 50% magneton
Can't believe you put Tyraniar of all Pokémon in the S tier, which corresponds to the highest possible ranking. Last time, you ranked it as barely scratching the ten best looking Pokémon. This amount of variance is frankly insane.
we are living in a world where salamence is ranked above cloyster and jynx. this is insane
What is blaziken not doing in S? I mean it LITERALLY bodies all the top tiers…. Smh mh
are these comments trolling? cant believe the single digit comments under this video. brain rot community
@@willywonka6487 Trolling isn't the right word. Jimothy has a light sense of humor and tends to be a bit silly. That's all that's going on here. He's attracted a community that like things that are silly. Did you see his interview with Furret? Or his intervention with Furret and Zigzagoon? The people here are just an extension of that.
You lied in the thumbnail, us sableye fans will not forget this transgression...
This is truly despicaple
C'mon. It's Sableye
The whiplash between the official tier list and ABR's is pretty fucking crazy
I'm so lost. I thought he was trolling with that, but people keep bringing it up. Was that a serious list or was it a bit?
@@Clooger- a bit serious
@@Clooger-both. I think he more wanted to make points about certain mons/strategies rather than genuinely rank all of them into tiers. Salamence at the bottom is an obvious troll, but there was some clear truth behind his reasoning for his rankings of blissey, dugtrio, etc
"Skarmory is the premier physical wall.....swampert is the premier physical wall in the format." Actually so true.
both start with S
Mistakes can happen
Why u have that PFP if u gonna misunderstand
I feel like it's definitely safe to call them both "premier" because they can excel at different things. For example, mons like Tyranitar and Salamence carry fire coverage mainly for Skarm, while Swampert doesn't mind coming in on that. They play different enough where one does not outclass the other, whereas every special wall has to contend with Blissey.
Fraudranitar STRUGGLING to stay in S tier.
I prefer Tyranifraud
Tyranocifraud
The spreadsheet shows how ABR loves Tyranitar, putting it in the number 1 spot twice.
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For now.
I love going back to that ranking and seeing "Where's Lucario" all these years later
The fact Miltank is even on the list is crazy
I mean it's sorta tanky, has recovery, is oddly fast, has good utility, and while it doesn't hit hard it still like deals damage kinda
Miltank is definitely underrated in gen 3. Being a cleric/setup sweeper in the same set is very nice roll compression. I think it works great on rest spam teams with suicune and Snorlax.
@@harvaypi1 wait setup sweeper??? Does it get like belly drum or something?
@InsertFunnyThingHere Curse, depending on the set, it runs Heal Bell/Coverage, Milk Drink, Curse, and a choice of attack.
With Some SpD investment and it's naturally high bulk it can difficult to remove without any special weaknesses.
Unfortunately taunt, encore, skarm, a choice bander, Steel/Ghost types, running out of heal bells, it has a lot of problems and things that need to be dealt with to work.
@@dannylopez5976 huh, having to use curse is sorta unfortunate since it's actually sorta fast otherwise, but yeah I can see that being okay at least
I can’t believe lunatone lost its well deserved ranking on the VR. What did it possibly do to deserve this?
Lunatone mooned my child
This is a sane tier list
Folks, this is perfectly sane.
Evil Jimothy be like "folks this is sane"
“This tier list fucking sucks actually” - ABR
Salamence being moved from C tier to A tier is quite a radical take.
I put poliwrath on the official VR for this year. Cowardly.
In all seriousness, happy to see a lot of attention towards the VR, lots of good discussion going on. ADV has risen to S tier, folks.
Jonald is jimothys squilliam fancyson
whats the lore
Hariyama in E is a violation
It's only saving grace is knock off and bulk. It's damage is mid, it can't spread status, it's slow, it's bulk isn't much better then Machamp thanks to low defenses, if didn't have Knock off people wouldn't use it.
@ I disagree completely. If you pair this thing with wish Bliss it turns into an unkillable knock spreader, who also can definitely toxic a lot of things (Milo claydol etc), also absorbs status
Literally my first thought
i think its because a lot of the top players think its either mid or trash
Medi rose in exchange I guess
i'd love to see top player interviews talking about the rankings
58:22 I regret to inform you but both Skarmory and Forretress both have Sturdy as abilities in Gen 3, making them equally as sturdy as the other.
Jump scared by Peabnut being a qualified participant. Absolute beast
I thought this video was going to be you presenting your own new and completely ridiculous viability ranking out of spite towards ABR
That would be more of a Nicki style gamer move
Regirock hasn't renewed his gen 3 tierlist pass yet, don't worry folks
I think YOU are really good at your niche, Jim, ranked highly
Metagross dropping from S-tier to A+ where they meet Gen 1 Chansey who goes "Damn, Smogon council got you too, huh?"
I play mostly offensive teams.. Blissey is a nightmare, ABR might be right about that one. Blissey and Skarmory both feel like fundamental pokemon for their respective defensive uses, but Skarmory feels so much easier to manage because the trap just easily works on it. There's no need to get a sub for your magneton, no worry about getting hit with a move on the switch, you just do it and it happens and you're happy. And even if you don't or your team can't, skarmory actually gets chipped down by moves, since protect chip is its healing.
Blissey can just come in and softboiled and repeat this over and over.
Playing physical offense feels so much more manageable than playing special offense.
It’s unfortunately folks cloyster was on a high after he saw abrs rankings only to be shocked at the official ones
ABR out there single handedly saving Cloyster from UUBL
ABR likes Tyranitar so much he gave him two 1's
The official Gen 3 tier list has been updated for November 2024, and here it is.
Things have changed; we're gonna take a look at how the metagame has shifted, what ended up getting ranked officially, and just talking about all these Pokémon briefly and their place in the format.
Things changed we are going to take a look at how the metagame has shifted.
@@vivian_horvath Right now. It's gonna be fun!
and we have some resources to look at including:
The old viability ranking from 6 months ago and, we can refer to that to see how things have changed, what's gone up what's gone down.
ABR's rankings be on the balance between genius and insanity
1:06:17
Jimothy with the insane Etrian Odyssey bgm?????? My day has improved the same way Muk Monday uploads do!!!??
The coincidence of my favourite game series coming on while he talks about his favourite gen 3 ou mon!!!!??!???
I was never wrong about the Lantern Renaissance. Because I never believed.
Back in the Netbattle days, I remember Weezing was my go-to physical wall (after Skarmory). Crazy to see it down in E now. I don't even remember Swampert being used in OU back in the day.
No rank for the cyclop? This is a Dusclops Disaster
I’m saddest that Hari wasn’t real, and also that Lanturn Gang is officially gone gone gonzo- it was a funny meme fish
Yama is still real don't let the list fool u
People just ran HP Grass over HP Ice instead, and lanturn takes more damage from hp grass than ice
I can't believe he stopped pronouncing medicham as medikam. This is insane.
C tier being the two fire flying types and Mag is my most interesting take away from this.
To not see Dusclops as list-worthy despite his single eye is extremely disrespectful
i know everyone else playing the tier disagrees but i find the recent skarmory hype really weird, i just don't consider it to be that crazy. it's extremely overpowered in a vacuum but the fact that magneton exists makes it completely unreliable, any good team that's weak to skarm will have a magneton so by running one on your team the only guaranteed value you get is one spike. outside of the magneton matchup it's obviously an excellent physical wall but any physical threat will either have ways to break through, tools to get around it or teammates to punish it, and spikes are very high impact but that's why there's a number of excellent spinners (many of which can comfortably 1v1 skarm), and any proper team lacking both magneton and a spinner will either ignore spikes or be offensive enough not to care about them. to me skarm feels similar to ttar, it's extremely high impact on the metagame and is one of the main factors to consider in teambuilding, but in terms of actually using it i don't feel it's all that viable. i'm not an elite player but i'm pretty decent at adv, and the more experienced i've gotten with the tier the less i've been using skarm, i just don't consider its tools to be valuable when the entire tier is focused on neutralising them. if i want to use skarm that means i want an answer to physical checks and i want spikes, but i could get more reliable spikes and an ok physical check by running forretress (it also gets trapped by mag but it's got a way better roll, mag doesn't always run hp fire anyway, and forrie at least has eq which it can use to catch mag on the way in), or since skarm necessitates a backup physical check anyway i could use those two slots to run a swampert and an aggro spiker like glalie
Blissey deserved at least A+. In my opinion, S.
Congrats to Miltank for making it to OU! 🎉
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Underrated uses of Magneton:
-metal sound helps Special offense teams to beat Snorlax and last Mon Blissey.
-endure salac is great as an anti offense measure.
-good answer to CB metagross
-underrated as a check to Zapdos and Aerodactyl.
-forces Water types out in fear of bolt or hp grass
I think the linear curve EV spreads with bulk are pretty outdated. Most ppl run modest magnet or timid to beat chipped skarms/opposing mags, with the occasional salac.
there was an old vapicuno magneton p2 hpwater rachi special offense i love to use
Where is Muk
I really think Zard is underrated. If at full health, it can tank a Gar tbolt and be in instant blaze range and be VERY dangerous. It invites in Blissey and tears it up with beat up. Blaze range overheat is the strongest move in the metagame barring boom. It takes out Pert with hp grass with minimal chip. It's unaffected by spikes. Because of blaze it likes taking damage. You can switch it in on wisps. All it needs is a couple rock resist parterns and a partner with ice beam to take out mence.
Sceptile got kicked off the rankings, dang
I beg to disagree, ABR's VR is my new standard, even if I keep losing using lead Dug
Yama top of E tier, I thought it would be bottom of D and regice be top of E, also quag > Blaziken is funny, also the dishonest ninjask is insanely high imo but I'm not qualified to speak on the topic
Why is butterfree not on this list after CLEAR impact from swiss round 3 in ADVR2?!?!?!
Can you do a tier list of Gen 3 OU Pokemon you would want to go to the bar with? Like Big Yellow’s UU’s most social drinkers video. Seems like something right up your alley
Slaking and Sableye are 2 of my favorite pokemon of gen 3.
you love to see it
Ooooo exciting. I would love to see how you think this will affect lower tiers.
Where kind i find the discord for the active community or tournement dates if any?
Charizard is S tier because for me because its shiny and attacks are just so fire.
I'm glad Jim sees the same potential in Arcanine as I do, hence why I always use it
we'll get 'em next time, lanturn gang
Oh my, didn't notice it was Xmas day already!
Magcargo not being 1st is a Crime
Cacturne didn’t make the list because the beta form scared everyone away from using it
I loved using cacturne before it was banned. I miss it occasionally, but it was for the best given how disgusting sand veil is.
@ Sand veil is there to hide how truly TERRIFYING Cacturne is
I would have loved more discussion and insight on the E-Tier, most notably Donphan.
but how will charizard over moltres affect the political climate of the horse council?
Yo who do you main in smash? Also is peabnut bubba really the smash ultimate Megaman? Or just making the connection of the names
He said Peach.
Mr Jimothy Cool, could you please comment on a hotly debated proposal to introduce Emboar into the Generation 3 OU metagame? Thank you
Not shown here is Muk in M tier for Mythical
One weather clear strat I've been trying is magnet zap. It 2hkos max hp tar which often forces them to ko zap after one dance. Jolly dug can then get an easy elim
I feel like Blissey should be considered just barely below Tar and Skarm. That mon just feels so important
ABR would like to have a word
Then dug in s and mence in F
blissey is s tier for sure. it shapes the tier so much.
several mons have sets just to kill blissey, and some mons are good because they can handle both of blissey and skarm at the same time (Charizard). The mon's existence just hard counters one of the most popular team archetypes, not to mention it absolutely decides matches by how it walls so effectively a team once the big physical attackers have been slain. it's a massive presence in post-turn 60 ADV matches, just like skarm.
don't think it's as important as skarm and tar because spikes and sand shape ADV more than blissey's tankiness imo, but it's S or S- for certain
@ The biggest point to me is the way Blissey shapes team building. Mons carry fire type moves for Steels and Grass types, they carry Grass type moves for Water and Rock types, but Mons also carry entire moves for just Blissey. They carry Mons to counter just Blissey. If your team gets status or weakened early your Dug may not even beat it anymore and your best option may be to trade 1 or more Mons to wear it down. What Mons can beat both Suicune and Salamence other than Blissey? Blissey is also maybe the best status spreader in the tier other than Skarm. Blissey can spend whole turns clicking moves like Aromatherapy or Wish and get no benefit from it personally bc it’s that good.
Jimothy, I like your glasses.
I love how they used the fire red leaf green Charizard spite
Stats-wise, I think it'd be really funny to run those average rankings without ABR's input because I'm pretty sure he ended up spoiling a number of mons in that tier list, lol
1:00:22 wait until he realizes that he called Swampert's Hydro pump a "massive hit" into skarm and Flygon's fire blast "not that strong" despite the fact that they have the same special attack stat, the moves have the same BP, and Flygon's fire blast is slightly stronger than stab Hydro pump bc a 2x multiplier is stronger than a 1.5x multiplier
So glad to see Muk in S tier where he belongs. I think shiny Trapinch should be there too.
I don't think I ever saw Jinx in OU when I was playing back in the day.
Im asking about Skarmory, cause I face like 50% Magneton Teams and always just got Magnet pulled and skarm is done.
Three options really -
1) Be super cautious with your skarmory at first, either roar or switch out first turn if it has Pokemon which indicate a magneton (Slaking, fighting lead, Snorlax, two dragon dancers, tend to be the main tells on ladder)
2) Be aggro and accept getting trapped in exchange for getting a layer of spikes down, for this to succeed you need to keep up the tempo and basically never give them the opportunity to spin, or punish them hard if they try.
3) "Matchup fish" and start using a Skarm with hidden power ground, or double swap to Dugtrio. If you really want some catharsis and just want to crush and annoy Magneton users you can go Skarmory, Dugtrio(with sand attack) and then Porygon or Gardevoir with trace and sub + boost up and have some fun. Though that is definitely not a good team overall.
Not one pokemon is without counterplay in adv. Even SkarmBliss has answers. Your job as a teambuilder is to acknowledge individual mon weaknesses and have team support as a backup. If you depend on Skarm for spikes, ask yourself, what kind of teams are running mag? And prep the rest of your team to punish them.
How dare u even suggest option 3 💀@@stevedomique9278
ABR throwing up looking at this list
As someone who doesn't keep up with the metagame, why isn't Alakazam ranked? The Smogon analysis for Gen 3 Alakazam says "...Alakazam has the most options of almost any special sweeper in the game...is a force to be reckoned with, and should always be considered when making a team."
Are the Smogon write-ups just hilariously out of date? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but the difference is just so stark.
Just out of date i think
I imagine it's just hard to be a frail mono psychic in a tier where Ttar, Bliss, Meta, Snorlax etc all spong your stab attack and the only mon you hit super effectively in the whole tier is Gengar (who could still kill you with explosion or destiny bond)
I agree w/ the person above. As an gen 3 alakazam fan, i find his biggest weakness is his lack of good opportunities to actually do meaningful things, bc so many ppl resist psychic, his coverage options r low base power for someone so frail, and its really hard to switch in. One reason why gengar is so good is bc of his 3 immunities + toxic and spikes immunity, he has a million switch in opportunities, and can still make progress w/ utility like wisp, taunt, or preserve momentum with boom or destiny bond, while dealing respectable special dmg. Alakazam does have encore, knock off and trick, but those r considerably more situational given the fact that its real hard for zam to switch in. Hes very, very high risk, with low to medium reward, so to most, hes not worth using.
The analyses are out of date.
Tyranitar's omnipresence, Dark typing, and access to Pursuit render Alakazam unviable or a matchup fish. If you don't want to fish, you're forced to run Focus Punch or Dugtrio alongside it.
ABR has a point with Tyranitar. It doesn't really excel at anything specific, more a jack of all trades. Its best use is probably Dragon Dance
Happy to not see Scisor here, guy has to be the biggest ladder bait.
Also nah, T-tar is number 1, depending on the set, Tyranitar legit only has a few counters stopping it from sweeping a game. And even those counters can be taken out with a tech move.
is there a vod of that jimvitational tournament somewhere?
Matches are on the Revival Tournaments channel.
Surprised no tarous
It's not great in Gen 3
salamence when any ice attack 💀
02:02 so that was a lie
I think the disrespect for claydol stems from the fact that there arent many pokemon and it feels weird saying claydol is more prevalent than the mons above it even if it sort of is.
I think each pokemon should get a point for a pokemon they counter. Then lets see who really is number 1.
Muk not being ranked has outright ruined my Monday.
Charizard stays winning!
I haven't played gen 3 myself in a long time but I always wondered, why is Mew uber but Celebi and Jirachi are OU?
Maybe because Celebi and Jirachi don't have literally every move ever like Mew does.
@@tehrik0020 Tbh they have better typing and better abilities than pure psychic and synchronize, and mew's only good unique option is like explosion, but idk if something simple like sd + recover or cm + recover is too good on its own?
It's probably because you can't build to counter every mew set
@@LiveTwinReactionfirst off, rachi doesn't have instant heal which is vital. Neither get Transform which on Mew is actually broken (imagine running a setup sweeper mew for lategame, but in the early game you can copy skarmory or forre for spikes). Mew also gets bulk up, it would be the only fast bulk up user with instant heal, it's like snorlax but a fast sweeper instead of a hax magnet. I could go on, but mew's greatest strength is that it can run multiple top of class sets and you can't really tell what it's running without risking a poke.
The versatility of moves for sure
in the description one of the links has an extra "h"
Can you make gen9 OU?
There is a soft "click" sound I keep hearing. Not sure if it is the mic you're using or your tongue.
does anyone know what song starts around 10:30. i recognize it i just cant remember what it is
yokai watch?
Could someone clarify something for me? It states Gen 3 but in use are these for Reg H?
No, these are only for gen 3.
@stubbwinkley4015 tyty
Poor Claydol suffered from new toy syndrome and dropped (literally)
They accidentally forgot to put Lickitung on this list.
1:03:04 in advance revival I reverse swept with salac swords dance Hera, I was down 5 I’m a big Hera gamer
Peabnut has a crazy good Megaman in ult
Cham showing higher than yama is interesting, indeed
Why did nobody ask me? You can't do a list like this without asking Riesentitte!
I dont know anything about gen 3 but dugtrio b tier? i always hear about it D: tho ig skarm zap and sala being high hurts
Dug really struggles to get in without a sac because of how frail it is + the proliferation of spikes + ice, water, and grass all being really common attacking types. It's trapping options are a lot more limited than in a lot of other games, with flying types being super common and a lot of other top mons just beating it anyway. Overload strategies (where you run multiple mons with the same checks/counters to overwhelm those checks/counters) are usually what makes trapping broken, but most of the best overloads in Gen 3 try to overload Skarm/Pert because of their lack of reliable recovery, but Dug can't trap either of them because they beat physical attackers, those teams want Mag instead.
Dug is really good on special offense as a Blissey remover and it has its believers as a revenge killer thanks to its great speed. It can also be used as a tar trapper on teams that want to get rid of sand with rain dance/sunny day (this is largely why ABR put it 2nd, he's a huge believer in things like Suicune/Zard and in sandless Lax teams). ABR says lead dug is good to remove lead tar, but it sucks against every other lead in the game so most people stay clear.
@@theultimatepielord8697it's also good as a lead vs meta but i agree that lead dug is a very unstable lead that only really works at the highest levels when you're calling out specific teams