Are Ebike Batteries Dangerous? 8 Tips To Prevent a Battery Fire & Breaking News From Lectric Ebikes!
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Have you noticed the increase in news about ebike batteries causing deadly fires? I've noticed that the media has been announcing a lot more news about deadly fires caused by Ebike Batteries. Lectric Ebikes has also announced that they have launched an upgraded battery for their Lectric XP 1.0 and 2.0 models! The increased capacity that the new batteries have can increase the average range of a ride by up to 45%! This is huge news and a really strong indication we will continue to see advancements in battery technology and capability.
In this video, I'll share what I've discovered about ebike battery fires and what really causes most of them. They are quite rare, but when they do burst into flames, I've found a few patterns in the news that indicate most battery fires can probably be prevented.
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Don't charge batteries right after riding/draining battery. Allow battery time to COOL DOWN and stabilize.
In order to prevent overcharging I added a timer (basically an on/off power switch). From Amazon a BN-LINK 12 Hour Indoor Mechanical Grounded Outlet. ($9.99). It is a timer that plugs into a regular AC outlet, and has an output AC outlet on the side. It is equipped with a timer from 0-12 hours, in 15 minute increments . To use it, plug the bike into the charger, then charger into the timer, then plug the timer into the AC outlet. So far no power is turned ON. Now rotate the timer to the amount of time you want to charge. The bike will charge until the set time and then everything turns off. After that all you have to connect and disconnect is the bike end of the charger. When the timer is off, so is the charger.
I bought a Luna charger and charge to 80 or 90% . After several charges it was recommended to do a 100% .
Great idea, thanks for the suggestion!
Batteries get hot 🥵 when you ride so……what i do is wait for a few hours before I recharge the batteries 🪫 yes let them cool 😎 🥶 down before you recharge I don’t know 🤷♂️ how hot 🥵 they do get while riding, but I do understand that I am not riding a Tesla car something that has a battery cooling system so keep in mind your batteries need to cool down before recharging 🥶.
I should not have to say this but some people are not that smart 😬
Design the charger with a thermostat that will shut the charger off when the battery circuit temperature rises to an unsafe level. Also, design them to automatically shut down when the battery 90% or 95% charged.
That said, I charge and store my batteries in a 1” thick granite box. It won’t stop the fluorene gas released in the burn, but at least contain the flames. I look forward to development of “solid state” (non-liquid dielectric) batteries which don’t take forever to charge.
Did you have it fabricated at a granite counter dealer?
This might sound crazy but I'm thinking about putting the battery in a metal garbage can and charge it outside the house... it's been 3 years now owning an ebike and haven't had any battery issues..but after hearing about ebike fires lately I'm being extra safe and not taking any chances..btw good video i sure learned a few safety precautions tho
I hear you. The fire possibility is concerning and although I know that it’s overhyped by the media, I live in a condo complex and a fire would put a lot of people in danger. I only charge my batteries when I’m home and in the livingroom where I can keep an eye on it so if a fire breaks out I can hopefully toss the battery over the balcony and address the fire internally quickly. It might be wishful thinking that I’d be able to actually get close enough to the battery but I don’t have a lot of choice and have to go by faith that fires are actually extremely rare with name brand stuff. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
I got an archeer ebike and the guy who sold it to me worked with it for months, he bought a second battery and sold it to me with 2 and it doesn't even get warm the charger get a warm but not hot it's really safe it turns off by itself I think the problem with fires is because those people buy them without their original charger or battery and replace them with the wrong volts or amps or a cheap one from China website also guys the repair ebikes cut on cost when they repair or guys who mess with the controller ( separate box or a code on the display that disable the speed control to make them go faster )which makes the battery hot when they press the throttle for a long period and then teens charge them right after they get back without letting the battery cool down ...is good if the battery is detached from the bike and put on a lipo bag that always supervised and on your view while you on your computer etc never overnight or out of sight...if any sound or steam before they burst you can take the fireproof bag outside
Lectric is always a little behind the curve on batteries. They were providing midrange cells. Going to 14 aH means they are going from 2600 aH cells to 3500 aH cells. Nearer top end. Go with 21700 and get 5000 aH. 20 aH in same package. Prices are dropping pretty steadily.
We see videos about how to up-power your ebike to go faster, this will do bad things to your battery. Ebike is locked to a safe speed to NOT overtax the battery which then can cause them to overheat. If you want a faster bike, order one for the speed you want to go.
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Fire extinguisher is great, but NO water! Powder
Keep your eyes on the battery 🔋 and check on it when it's charging
Just saw a report saying NYC Housing Authority is seeking a ban on ebike charging or storage inside their units & even outside on their property anywhere! Yikes! Apparently there's been 120 battery fires & several deaths involved.
Denver FD said not to charge them inside the house, or in the garage. That sort of begs the question of “then where DO you charge them?” The answer is anywhere you do not want to burn in 3262 degree F (-2000C) flames.
@@onerider808 I saw a good solution in another vid, the guy had a huge steel wood burning stove he charges his in.
Banning is the easy fix instead of looking at the real issues. Here (the netherlands) with >50% of all bikes being sold its now ebikes and with 3.8M ebikes thats not even on the radar anymore. There is a danger in the states for a simple ban for good or (politics) bad reasons instead of using laws and other steps to solve the issue. battery fires happen here not but in the scale that (if true) is happening in NY.
@@SmokeyTreats You can buy special charging boxes they cost about $400-$500.
@@SmokeyTreats cool
I have an Lectric etrike I bought last fall. I charge the battery in my backyard, then keep the battery in the house when I'm not riding. I still worry about it a little bit. I know Amazon sells "fireproof" bags for lithium battery storage, but no idea how well they work. Lectric claims they use Samsung cells in their batteries, so I guess that's a plus. 👍
Video doesn't begin till 4min2sec. Up to that point, video is simply an advertisement for Lectric XP.
what's your opinion on the lectric expedition batteries? do you know if they have overcharge protection or do you think they're safe? right now i'm afraid to keep them inside my house.
another thing i like doing for safety is make note of the cell voltages and if there is a diversion bettween cells it could also indicate a faulty cell or a problem with the bms
BMS
So how do you get your battery opened enough to measure all of the 1.9 volt cells?
You can measure cell voltage all day if you can get to the cells.
But if that battery decides it's not a good battery and it goes critical the cell voltage won't make any difference thank you good try. 🛂
@@ronalddaub9740 you measure the cell voltages at the point where they connect to the bms. Cells in parallel will all have the same voltage so you will have to measure them at different state of charge to find irregularities
@@ronalddaub9740 the battery will not "just go critical". There will always a cause such as a cell group going over 4.2 volts during charge. Or a damaged low quality cell developing dendrites that breach the seperator and shorting it also during charge. During discharge the bms may not cut off and a cell group may go reverse polarity as this will cause a fire.
I prefer to build my own lithium batteries so i can do all the testing and monitoring in real time while charging and discharging.
Its the weight that counts.. size not really....... I can just cable tie them anywhere but weight reduce range
You don't have to always fully charge the battery - if you notice that the battery takes X hours to charge, shut it off an hour or so earlier. For most of our needs 80-90% charged battery is good enough
I have a VIVI FOLDING E BIKE mountain bike with a battery 🔋 poutch in the front of the Bike is there a way to cool off the battery 🔋 and controller that doesn't overheat
Give the battery OPEN SPACE on all sides wile charging. They are Air Cooled. Covering or enclosing while under charge is hard on the cell
I saw a good video of a man on his very first ride on his new $6,000 ebike, it caught fire in about 15 minutes 😢 total loss!
the dumb fuck could have saved it but he didnt know how to disconnect his battery........ money cant buy brains.
Use a grill to charge battery in so if it catches fire it will be contained. I would only charge while I'm able to keep an eye on it.
After surviving my 4/22/23 neck breaking crash caused by a forgotten kickstand, I've noticed my battery only charges to 3 bars... Is this from battery damage and is this battery a possible fire hazard in your opinion?
If so, any possible solution suggestions?
Unfortunately, I would say you really should replace the battery if it’s not acting the way it should. It is my understanding that damaged batteries are more likely to cause fires. I definitely would stop trying to charge it. An ebike shop repair person should be consulted to be sure though.
Sorry to hear about your fall. I hope you’re physically doing ok. You may want to reach out to the ebike company for a more reliable answer. I’m definitely not an expert in batteries and repairs but just going off what I’ve heard from others.
Good luck!
What is the difference between a LIPO battery and a LifePo4 battery in terms of danger?
Sod your tips. the best possible way not to be personally responsible for an EV fire and possibly the deaths of many people is to not buy one under any possible circumstances. OK, maybe one. If you own a farm or a large piece of land and keep it overnight in the middle of a fallow field then maybe. However, don't rush as when this becomes common knowledge you will be able to buy one for nothing, indeed maybe less than nothing, as soon enough the owner will need to pay big simply to dispose of it. It is already estimated to cost around £2000 to scrap an EV car. The only reason why few have paid this as they can still get more than this from the scrap dealer. However, this is not going to last as the thing gets older and the spare parts are worth less. The battery itself is not an asset as it is not resellable and costs far more to safely dispose of than the value of the recovered metal.
I heard that an ex-Tesla engineer just started a company that is able to recycle car and ebike batteries very effectively. I hope the rumors are true as I too am concerned when these batteries start getting old. I believe fireproof battery storage boxes or bags will be the next hot marketed item soon. That way more than just the farm owners can safely own these things. All your concerns are legit, and I really hope we have some smart people solving those issues soon.
no.use batteries responsibly
Great info.
Nobody gonna stand around watching for a little green light for 4-6 hours. that recommendation is such complete bs - do not charge unattended and shut off once fully charged. best you can do is put it on a timer and set it up so nothing around it will catch fire
Timers are definitely a great tool. I wouldn’t stand around watching it charge as well, I set a timer on my phone or watch to remind me to unplug it. I should have clarified ‘unattended’ as to mean somewhere in the area that you could hear, smell, or see something dangerous happening in the unlikely event a malfunction happens.
Thanks for the comment!
I always use a timer and set it for an hour for the first two hours then twenty minute timers.
Would you guys say it's just as important to feel confident in name brand cell infrastructure of the battery itself, like those that come from
Samsung or LG ? or would you say that is still not as important as the battery's that actually have a UL approved or UL listed designation like the
Aniioki brand?
No Mention of UL Certification?
Uggh. Totally dropped the ball in that one. My more recent video about battery fires I mentioned UL.
Thanks
I am not saying no battery fires happen here (the netherlands) but i do feel less junk is sold. With 3.8M ebikes around and more than 50% of new bicycles being ebikes its a good 'testing' ground. Brands do matter many use the bosch system and they have been charging things in powertools for decades. Yes they do cost a new battery for my ebike is $800. I am sure the difference between issues is like 100x between good and bad brands. Also many charge them in special areas for bikes (mostly concrete) this also makes it safer and my guess is on avg the wiring at 240volts will be better. All that stated if i would have to charge my ebike inside while i am not there and/or asleep and i would possibly endanger others i would get a charge-box todo it just to feel better they cost about $400-$500.
45% more flamable too
What is the battery brand that Lectric ebikes use ?
Wise advice
Eco on my 730 kwh say 93 miles
If I need to burn down a house… I’ll get one.
Even with quality brands the fire risk with lithium batterys is very high
Like to unload my new bike as was the list of craigslist sellers..750$..
No miles.
FIre retardant bags for charging should be recommended and/or provided by ebike manufacturers...
Get 100% increase on your battery (cheaper) by buying another an extra battery.
That's the way to ease your range anxiety. I bought a Magic cycle and 2 batteries. 40 miles per battery on average. WONDERFUL！！！
Hi, I have a 20 in fat tire tricycle, could you please recommend a battery that I can use with it. I would like something with pedal assist because I want to get the most exercise benefits from cycling. I live in an area with hills and 2 kinda steep hills. I really would appreciate it. Thanks! 😊
look for an ebike conversion kit.get the best battery you can afford.ebikling,johhny nerd out.
Ive been looking at many of the folding ebikes. What do you think about the Wallke H6 with 2 batteries.
Better to look at the company offering the bike. Hundreds of Ebike money grabbers out there today.
I have 2 batteries , in pedal assist 3 , I average 24 miles per battery
Does that mean it won't catch on fire if it's bad? ......😝
Can I get a better battery for VIVI E Bike on Amazon
I just added 48v 30ah with 21700 3.7v 5000mah cells that weigh 13lb as a second battery in my rear rack bag and connected it to my stock battery with a 40A dual battery Balancer on my Himiway Zebra that has a 48V 20ah with LG/Samsung 21700 3.7V 5000mah cells so I have 50ah and with the balancer, the batteries stay cooler and both will last more than twice as much longer and stay much cooler because the Balancer will keep switching from one battery to the other as they drop in Voltage and so far everything is working great and they both are staying cool even when charging and I got the charger that came with the second battery which is a 54.6V 5A smart charger that is for a 48V lithium-ion battery and the range is off the charts and the Zebra can handle 400lb max so 13lb is nothing for this bike and my ass will fall off before I run out of battery!
Wish they would do something about the locking system of these batteries - presently there is none. If you are going to lock up your bike outside and leave it for a while, anyone who knows these bikes can easily crack open your bike and steal the battery. The only way to keep the battery safe would be to take it with you & we all know taking out the battery is a pain in these Lectric bikes. Don't understand why they thought this was a good method to take out the battery - other bikes just use a key to unlock the battery
some are better than others.joyisi is pretty good, conversion kit.
I just paid $400 plus tax for my new battery. Lectric offered a $100 discount for existing customers using the discount code in that email message.
Fireproof container with water is better than useless extinguisher.
Enough messing about and supply E Bikes with at least '52 volt batteries ' ...End range problems and enjoy bikes with the choice of adjusting for more power or less without having to labour the motor and giving it a decent range overal.
"The fire danger is exaggerated",....then he advises having a fire extinguisher nearby,...
1500 watt charger?
Thanks, I have always been suspicious of these electric bikes, you just convinced me, not to buy one, better just use the two batteries god gave me
I recommend the Ride-Kick power trailer. Used mine for years with lead-acid batteries and never had a problem.
Yeah dont buy one, just keep sweating and pedaling hard, we will have fun for you on an ebike
Man... no technology is squeezing 45% more charge... I mean capacity, in your packs. You got big cases with lots if air and less cells in the first place then spent some more on the _new,_ 45% _bigger_ packs.
By volume, the case you were waving here could holt one kilowatt.
Just buy another stock battery
Not better technology, they just filled out the shell with more cells. I wish it was true they uncovered tech that was 40% more efficient.
Keep the battery cool when you charge it. Also, only use the charger that comes with your bike and/or battery. And always disconnect the charger when the battery is topped off.
This "technology" can be temperamental.
"News" is anecdotal information at best, looped, exaggerated and distorted at worst. That said, it's capable of ruining the public evaluation of perfectly good technology.
No mention of a reliable and safety-certified power source - in NYC, extension cord nests are used to run battery chargers.
the coverage is very superficial for an ebike channel
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You will not be able to extinguish a lithium battery fire. Don't try.
I have a Box Type of battery 🔋
It's a bad battery, over heated, I had some know it all the other day try to tell me the fuse was at fault. 🤡. I said well, fuses will blow that was internal but they knew it all because never mind.......
ruclips.net/video/wxr1iXEf9lY/видео.html heres a link to a video 4 weeks ago of a ebike
catching fire when he was riding it!
I have a Solar powered Generator Jackery 300 watt Generator
They could make dynamite or nitroglycerin batteries
35 to 40 miles of range is pathetic .
aside from that stop buying buy off brand cheap chinese batteries with unreliable cells and ineffective BMS .
I wonder when other new batteries; Sodium, aluminum, magnesium... will be on the market, regular Lithium ion batteries are too expensive, dangerous and bad for the environment.
ive heard 3-5 years
I'd say the best way to avoid them is not to buy them. I never had a fire with my power trailer using lead-acid batteries. I'm not saying it's not possible but I'm blessed to never have had one ever.
U can't stop it so video pointless tesla are a big company even they can't stop there cars blowing up
Well if you’re going to buy, we’ll buy a UL rated e-bike, check out Bosch, yeah more money, more dependability 🤔🦸♂️🚀
Ecotric has UL rated ebikes too and cheaper than Bosch.
you think a UL sticker means it really passed inspection? LOLOLOLOLOL
Yikes! Pardon my ignorance, but does the sticker not hold any value? I was under the impression that it meant that there were safety standards that it needed to pass in order to get the UL sticker? Please educate me, I honestly thought that it was something to look for.
I am a multi Millionaire, and I have no problems with my Ebike battery's If it catches fire and burns down my home I just simple buy a new home.
this is the correct approach