😂😂 this isn't even Ranger indoc or training. It's a leadership school that anyone in any branch can sign up for. It is mandatory for actual Ranger try-outs, but passing the school doesn't get you in the 75th Ranger Regiment. It'll give you a tab that says "Ranger", meaning you're Ranger qualified. But to be an actual 75th Ranger, you have complete RASP, Ranger School and Jump School. SERE School is optional, not mandatory, unlike Green Berets.
I didnt help that our captain told us to hold down the classrooms rather than retreat. I lost alot of brothers in highschool but it was worth it for the scroll.
Lol in the Marines I was sleep deprived. We dug our foxholes late as shit when we got done 3 of us was Laying in it and I was looking out and there was a billboard on the mountain but I was sure it was a tall creature walking, I was so convinced that I convinced the others til they told my scary as to go to bed. Next morning I woke up to a punch by one of them like bitch it is a fkn billboard I was like Ooooo lol
I mean no offense to our well trained troops and understand they need to turn men into hardcore fighting machines. I get the conditioning and training for what COULD happen out in the field and weeding out the weak. Although this has got to be one of the biggest military training mistakes ...purposely depriving a soldier of whats needed to fuel their bodies and expect them to perform....Its like trying to race a Nitromethane dragster on 87 octane pump gas and still expect it to run 300 MPH. It's not just ignorant but simply a bad decision.
@@drd1924 in a way, you contradicted yourself by prefacing your second sentence with "I get the conditioning and training for what COULD happen in the field...". That's exactly what it's for. Ranger School is supposed to break you down as much as possible so that when you're in real shit it'll seem like nothing. Had a TACP buddy of mine that went to Ranger and got his tab and for a guy who's been through the USAF TACP PAST and A&S program, he said it was one of the shittier schools he's been too. Mainly, because of what was addressed in this video (the sleep and nutrition deprivation). But, he quickly followed his assessment of the school with the fact that he was extremely grateful that the school existed, because he "...might actually be able to deal with shit on less than an hour of sleep under fire...". So, yes, though the choices of the Ranger School to deprive men of their fuel and sleep might seem like a mistake, it's a damn good one that'll make sure we don't our asses handed to us in the field.
My cousin is a Ranger. Had a convo with him once about it.. Me: What's the hardest part about Ranger school Him: The hardest? I'm not sure, but I know the easiest part. Me: Whats that? Him: Falling asleep
@@joshhaddock6772 People frequently talk about Green Beret without realize that it's just the nickname (literally the color of the beret that they are allowed to wear in garrison) for Special Forces. Easy to educate so they don't make the mistake again.
The new Secretary of Defense had been confirmed and was touring the Pentagon, taking briefings on the capabilities of his forces. He had a well-deserved reputation as a no-nonsense guy. After a briefing on Special Operations Forces, he was escorted to lunch by a Green Beret officer. The secretary’s confused look did not bode well as they walked through the E ring. “I understand how SOF is different from conventional forces, but the Rangers and Green Berets seem just alike to me. You have a Special Forces Tab and a Ranger Tab. What’s the difference?” “The units are very different, sir. While both units are composed of very capable soldiers, selected for intelligence and fitness, Rangers attack the enemy directly, while Special Forces work by, with, and through indigenous forces to accomplish tasks far beyond their numbers.” The Green Beret secretly hoped he would not be pulled into the eternal Ranger versus SF discussion for the 10,000th time. He prided himself in his teaching abilities, but this guy was being obtuse. “They dress just alike, they are both ARSOF units, and they both have direct-action capabilities. How are they so different?” It seemed the secretary was going to force this. The next four years of Special Forces missions hinged on the new secretary’s understanding. As they walked through an area of temporary construction, the Green Beret had a flash of inspiration. “Sir, humor me here; let’s do a little demonstration. Rangers are highly aggressive. They pride themselves on their toughness and discipline. They follow orders without question. You see that huge soldier with a tan beret? He is a Ranger.” As the Ranger approached, the Green Beret called out, “Hey, Ranger! Come here.” The Ranger moved toward them, sprang to attention and saluted. “Rangers lead the way, sir. How may I be of assistance?” “Can you help us here for a moment? This is the new Secretary of Defense. He wants to know more about the Rangers. Will you help me educate him?” Pointing to a new section of hallway, the Green Beret officer said, “Ranger, I need you to break through that wall.” “Hooah, sir. Would you like a breach, or complete destruction?” “A man-sized breach will be fine.” With that, the Ranger removed his beret and assumed a three-point stance six feet from the wall. With a grunt, he launched himself into the wall, punching his head and shoulders right through the drywall. Hitting a 2×4 on the way through, he was a little stunned, but he continued to work, smashing a hole wide enough for a fully kitted Ranger to pass through. Staggering to his feet with a trickle of blood running down his face, he appeared a little disoriented. “Thank you, Ranger. Great job. You are a credit to the Regiment. You need to go the aid station and get some one to look at that cut.” The secretary was incredulous. He had never seen such a display of pure discipline and strength. “That was astounding. What could Special Forces possibly do to match that?” The Green Beret was also impressed, but not surprised. “The Rangers are highly disiplined sir, but Special Forces selection and training also produces strong, highly disciplined soldiers. We deploy older, more mature soldiers in very small numbers. They understand that they are a valuable strategic resource, and are selected for their advanced problem-solving abilities.” The secretary seemed displeased. “Frankly, that sounds like bullshit. It seems that these Rangers are the finest soldiers in the Army. What could Special Forces do that the Rangers cannot?” As he spoke, a Green Beret staff sergeant walked by. Not as young or lean as the Ranger, he had a commanding presence and a serious look filled with confidence. The Green Beret officer called him over. “Hey Mike, can you help us here for a moment? This is the new Secretary of Defense. He wants to know more about the Special Forces; will you help me educate him?” The staff sergeant shook the secretary’s hand and introduced himself. “How can I help you, sir?” Pointing to an undamaged section of hallway, the Green Beret officer said, “Mike, I need you to break through that wall.” “No problem. Would you like a breach, or complete destruction?” “A man-sized breach will be fine.” The staff sergeant removed his beret and stood for a moment in silent thought six feet from the wall. He scanned the area and smiled broadly as he found the perfect tool for the job. “Hey Ranger,” he said, “come here.” - Exerpt from SOFREP.com - BY MARK MILLER 01.04.2015
I heard this one at Q, not so long, but yes, it's a good laugh - but DOES exemplify the differences. Those psychometric tests throughout selection and Q weren't for nothing!
It takes a person who has a strong mind and body. Anyone can lift weights, but not giving in to your mind is tougher. Remember, the mind always gives way before the body does.
I made it through SF in 1968, and Ranger in 1970. I know that things have changed since my time, but while I found SF to be challenging I found Ranger to life changing. SF selection was 3 weeks, and by the time it was finished about 70% of us were gone. As near as I could tell about 12 of the original 120 made it all the way through. Ranger started with 319, and graduated 81. I took the last step at Hurlburt field, fell flat of my face, and graduated in the hospital. In my day Ranger candidates worked on one C-ration per day, and the usual no sleep, etc. SF training had no food restrictions, and I don't recall being particularly exhausted. Before Ranger School I had an SF combat tour in 'Nam, and I thought I was a hard ass. Ranger class 4-71 taught me I wasn't as bad as I thought I was. In the end I agree with the author: Ranger is the most glorious suck of all time while SF produces the thinking man's predator.
couldnt have put it better myself. hell of a lot more physical /mental bs getting to the end of it in RT. my class started with 131, and graduated 39 with 10 of us set aside for immediate extended training for Spec. Op's. Im still a predator, I still hear and see things others dont. Heightened awareness becomes ingrained after getting through the special operations sessions. And they dont stop, even after several deployments....your always training. Im older now, I miss it in some ways, but it alienates you from the herd. 10% actually step up to serve, of that 10% 1 % do weird shit at 0230 so the rest can skip down to the Starbucks without a care. And I was in from 80 -86. I have seen contras, mujahideen, russians in hinds, and hausas in Nigeria. Liberal socialists scare me worse than all of the aforementioned.
I learned that I am able to do Much more then I ever thought I could. I was forced to do more and more and more under worse & worse conditions. I could have just quit... But that was not an option for me personally. I was amazed at how much I could endure and suffer through. Later, when I got zapped, the only thing that kept me fighting to live, was my past training. Thank you Sgt Fitzpatrick, I am alive today because you and the other instructors pushed me past my breaking point.
0:28 Him saying ranger school "sucks more" my guess, probably means it was more physically demanding where as the Q course was harder and more mentally taxing.
As befit to their design, one is geared toward shock trooper-like role in hot firefight situation and the other is for what basically infiltration and guerilla teaching mission.
@@gaythugsmatter7029 I agree but if you look at the comments most people have their own theories..... Yea I'm not going to touch that but the 10 ft pole. You can go open that kind of worms.
Everyone has their own opinion. Having done both, I feel certain parts of the Q were way harder than Ranger School. I can only remember 2 times in RS where it legitimately physically. Both were in mountain phase.
It's not just the training but it's also the test. To actually survive the Highest level of manual labor is the highest physical state of human life. Some people are not naturally built to survive a fraction of doing that for a sustained duration. If dying isn't a validated stamp of "failed" I'm not sure what is.
@Risk 74 rely on the person in front of u? theres no such thing lol. u cant even rely on your partner not to ditch you for another guy. comradarie isnt a thing in civilian life. and no amount of training is going to make shitty people stop being shitty people.
Thanks for sharing your experiences...as an old school Ranger and SF member [never attended but was assigned to the 8th SF in Panama after my combat tour in Vietnam] 1967-1976, we were the the point of the spear at that time, and our training was tough, merciless and realistic. And we were ready to face what may...the new breed of Ranger and SF trooper I see when I go to Ft Lewis, is playing the same role, being the point of the spear, in a much different multifaceted type of combat environment...I am honored and proud of what we, the Old Generation, accomplished when we were the ones occupying the place this new warriors occupy for us today. To all of you, Hand Salute, RLTW!
I went through the Ranger course (Winter) in the early 70s and the Q course in the late 70s, and I must say that this assessment of the courses is probably one of the best comparisons I have ever heard. The real assessment of how they qualify their students is after they hit their respective units. The training never stops and it is really heartening to see the "old-timers" actually taking time(if they have it) to continue to instruct the Newbies into the "Tricks of the Trade". The "Finishing School" is, of course, the real world operations that they all risk their lives in. Thank the Lord for men that move in the night and strike fear in the hearts of the enemy!
For me, the green berets, sadly have been push a side for the more popular in movies "navy seal", but people forget that the Green Berets are made for long, hard, and sometimes, god help them, brutal missions, seals are made for hit and run, yes their are very greath warriors, but i go with the Green Berets. Roy Benavidez, check him.
It's not like that anymore; Ranger school grads go right back to the unit they were just in. If one wants to serve in the 75th they have to go to RASP.
One thing I learned when going through the more extreme training schools in the military is this. You do NOT make up sleep. There's no such thing. Once it is gone and missed, it is gone, it doesn't come back. Realizing this one thing alone helped me quite a bit. One thing you can do to keep your calories up when going through Ranger School or RIP is this, and I got the idea from the Ranger School survival manual. You won't always have time to eat. So, drink as much whole milk as you possibly can. In the book he talks about how everyone else was losing weight in phase one while he gained weight, and the RIs couldn't figure out how it was possible. You'll lose it all in mountain anyways. But, it does act like as a nice little buffer against running on a constant coloric defect.
@@i-love-comountains3850 In the first phase, Benning, you get to go to the chow hall still quite a bit when you aren't in the field. I drank as much whole milk as I possibly could. This is what dude says to do in the ranger school survival handbook as well and where I got the idea from. You still are going out quite a bit and eating a lot of mre. But, those times you do go to the chow hall, I was drinking milk like a pirate drinks rum. After phase one, it's pretty much all field time and mre after that. Phase one seemed more like it was to weed out the less than intelligent people and very out of shape. Phase 2 and 3 is where they start to see who can physically handle the no sleep and no food stuff while rucking 20+ miles a day with a hundred pound pack. That's also when having an extra 2-3 pounds of fat on your body can make the difference between having the energy to finish or not.
John Doe that is interesting and very smart how you drank whole milk to get the most calories and other nutrients in a short amount of time! I just want to note how old school bodybuilders and powerlifters used whole milk to bulk up prior to steroids using the milk and 20-rep squat diet.
@@alvarocorral1576 Oh yeah, I have read Mark Rippetos book, starring strength. He advocates for a full gallon per day. Now that I'm not active, and just a casual body builder, I still drink about half a gallon of whole milk. But, I mix in this stuff called Redcon MRE. Me and whey don't mix. So, I've been using this stuff instead and it's worked wonders for me. It has a protein mix of beef isolate, salmon, peas, etc as a source instead of dairy. Plus, it has oatmeal in it, and a ton of calories because of it. The only downside is it's about $20 more for the equivalent competition. Taste is amazing. Try it out if you use protein powder. www.bodybuilding.com/store/redcon1/mre.html?skuId=RCON4910025&PLASKU=RCON4910025&gclid=Cj0KCQiAjfvwBRCkARIsAIqSWlO9f3UhNe6pV8LzXzYZhKzmau3sxDjK4JnrahsRt6TI7RlXAXrvCJAaArQrEALw_wcB
I know this is an “old” video (ie, 2yrs old); however, I just came across the video & your channel. Upon completion, I immediately subscribed (w/ all future notifications set), & I wanted to say, “this was a GREAT, & EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE, video. You did a fantastic job not only articulating your POVs (& returning to them often to reenforce), but also providing sound logic & rationales for your positions/POVs while simultaneously being informative in a general sense so as to appropriately set (initial) expectations for any, & all, interested in a future in the SOF community.” Thank you for the video, & the time you took to do it better than anyone else’s (imo). Finally, thank you for your service. As the first person in my family to be unable to serve - discovered I have a bone disease in my right leg (likely from my dad’s 2 tours in Vietnam &, specifically, Agent Orange) & amputation wouldn’t have sufficed to become eligible - I became a business professor & textbook author; however, I’ve long turned to the tried & true methods & lessons of the military for insights into Marketing & Entrepreneurship Strategy, & this, while not directly related, offered several insights I know I will use in future courses & writings. Again, thank you for your service, & this great video, & I look forward to learning more from y’all in the future. Have a great upcoming week, & sorry for the long message.
how was ranger school, I intend to sign up to the army and join it. im pretty athletic . so any tips you would like to pass out since youve been in it more recently.
I'm an Army O-6, Dental Corps. So, I did EFMB and Zero day for AA. I never attempted Ranger or SF. I've always known the basic differences in the schools and the purposes of the units. This is the best video explanation I've seen on the subjects. Well done!
James H. Dickens Teens (gen z) these days are pussies. One of the reasons why they made Navy bootcamp way easier than what it was 10-15 years ago. Because recruits would literally be crying home to mommy and daddy about how the “RPOs are yelling at me!”
RLTW: class 272: In the field we got one meal, LRRP Ration, some C rations, in a day/24 hour day. There was 50% drop out/recycle rate including 2 Israelis, 2 Australians, a SF Team, one of them my ranger buddy in the mountain phase, and some Marines. My primary MOS 81B, engineering, and secondary MOS 05C, radio teletype. I was at great disadvantage. At the time of being accepted to Ranger school I was in the 75th Rangers. Having to figure out 11B tactics and learn Ranger tactics was somewhat double OJT for me. You're correct. Ranger school sucks but I am glad I completed it, but would not want to do it again. I went in weighting 160, at completion, 120. Refugee status. I received orders for Vietnam upon completion of Ranger school. Proud Ranger Good video brother.
Wayne F. Martin those days are past for me now things have really changed sence these young guns of today are much better trained and equipped than us i for one am proud of each one who wears the tab
that's some history right there, sir. we had about 4 squads worth of Egyptian officers in RAN school, but Q was even weirder. the day before graduation it was revealed that three of our 12man team were mossad, cadre confirmed it. no big, really, as we also had israelis soldiers going through anyway. the only question i had was, 'why would they stick assets like that in an 18month training course while they could have just held a shorter course elsewhere?' didn't make much sense, but politicians and diplomats were always the wizards...
The modern Ranger battalions were formed in 1974. Yet, you say you were in the 75th Rangers and you were in class 272. Most grads use a hyphen after the month. For example 2-72. How do you explain the discrepancy?
Yeah numbers don't add up... October 24 1974 75th was established...first ranger class was in November 1950...u couldn't have been in the 75th and in Vietnam
In the summer of 1981, my RIs said “We are making this tough to simulate combat. Since we can’t shoot at you, we are going to make the program physically hard while asking you to be mentally tough.” Thirty years later in Afghanistan, I realized Ranger School was good preparation for the real deal behind enemy lines. My SF colleagues were just as well prepared and said the same thing about Robin Sage. The programs are designed to make you mentally tough so you can survive and thrive in physically, mentally and emotionally challenging environments. RLTW.
9/95 Ranger. Both are great schools and both are hard and both will challenge u harder than u ever thought u could be challenged. Never went to SF but a handful of my Ranger buddies did and they said both were hard in different ways. Best thing I ever did and I’ll always be grateful for what Ranger School taught me about myself. Thanks for ur service to all soldiers because everyone has their part and none of us could do our job if other weren’t doing their job.
Very well stated and my sentiments exactly. Making fun of other units create unit pride. But u must remember that we are fighting on the same team. Different jobs different branches.
Any branch of any service can get away with making fun of each other but we don't under any circumstances allow outsiders to come in to where they don't belong!@@jameyhenderson7271
The CEOs of all the major defense contractors should thank them for their service, not you. They are not fighting for your 'freedom". What freedom? The freedom to forcibly pay taxes to the British Crown via the IRS? The freedom to social distance and wear a mask in public for a fake virus? What an idiot you are.
I was all ready to tear into you for even suggesting that Ranger school could come close to the Q Course, but after watching this I realized I'm just old. Ranger school sounds much harder now, and the Q Course, it seems. Things have changed. Mind you, I was in the last hard class, but phase One was only about 8 weeks long. There was pre-phase training, but it wasn't graded or anything. Just keeping you fit and giving you training until the class before you finished and it was your turn. Phase One was brutal mostly because of the conditions. This was the early 80's and there were no comforts whatsoever out at Camp MacCall. Tar paper shacks with plywood cots, cold showers (suck L11 from Nov to Apr) mostly inedible c-rations, and very little regard for safety, or things like heat stroke and "hydration" and modern ideas like that. We started with over 200 and finished with around 70, as I recall. Then came phase 2. I was a medic, so we lost a lot to academics. There was no physical challenge, but the academic standards were very high. That was 13 weeks for classroom (300f1) and about 4 weeks for Med Lab. We lost easily two thirds of the class there. Then came phase 3, which was essentially a gimmie. Not many failed phase 3. The rest of the training, like SEER and D-Lab, came once you were assigned to a team. The major difference between the old school and the new seems to be, though the new school may be harder, the old school was eager to get rid of you. They wanted you to quit, and tried their best to make that happen. On hot days while ruck "marching" (running) in cat 4 weather, an air conditioned ambulance followed us, constantly announcing over the PA free ice cream to anyone that got in the truck. To my amazement, almost every day, someone would get in that truck. Good times.
My grandpa served in the 475th infantry regiment in Burma in WWII, and having talked to him and other Merrill's Marauders veterans many of the Ranger school things make sense given their experiences. In the field they generally had only spoons in order to cut down on weight and reduce rattling. The constant patrolling was due to the fact that they were behind Japanese lines and had to be constantly aware of the enemy's displacement and movements. They had to deal with a lot of food deprivation because their supply air drops weren't always guaranteed and sometimes had misdrops, so they often had to make two days worth of rations stretch for five days. Sleep deprivation was due to combat and their March schedule which was hellish.
My father was an OSS scout for Merrill’s Marauders. They definitely lost a lot of weight if they were good enough to make it to the end. My father went through the OSS school and from what I was told a British commando school. He worked a lot with Roy Matsumoto a OSS interpreter and spy who would infiltrate the Japanese. Both have the MOH. Both are in the Ranger Hall of Fame. Roy became one of the first instructors for the Green Berets. Never forget what they accomplished.
@@charleswinters7129 Wow! You're dad sounds like quite the guy. The OSS were very important to the Marauders/MTF success. If I recall correctly, some of the Marauder vets wanted to invite the OSS vets to a reunion but couldn't find any contact info at the time. You're correct about Mr. Matsumoto. He and the other Nisei military intelligence soldiers were indispensable. They, particularly Mr. Matsumoto, literally saved the unit on several occasions.
Ranger Class 10-‘69. Including recycles, 235 guys. 110 made it to the end and 98 of those got Tabs. I don’t know about today, but then you could not drop out. You had to be physically injured to the point that you could not go on. This video brought back memories. I do remember the Benning phase, gobbling as much as I could while shuffling quickly to the trash can, all the while the instructor screaming, “Eat your shit and get out of my mess hall!” We only got one C ration a day on patrol in the mountains and Florida. Went in at 208, came out 165. It was miserable, but that’s where I really learned how to terrain navigate, and the first rule of Rogers’ Rangers was imprinted on my brain: “Don’t Forget Nothin’.” It made all the difference as a platoon leader in RVN with the 101.
Yes, indeed! I knew a guy that was as much of a body builder as he could be....went to Ranger school and lost about 2 years of muscle gain. Ohhhh, he was pissed. Lol
I was 5' 8.5" and only around 145lbs when I went to Selection. Day 1 I looked around and started sizing each guy up. Natural instinct is to see the "in shape" guys and assume they'll do just fine. Nope! One guy I thought for sure would breeze right on through quit on day 2. Saw him sitting at a tree crying and just generally pissed. Just about, just about every guy there that was the same build as me made it. I'd be safe saying that more larger built (muscular) guys quit or simply failed than those of my build.
I did 20 in the army and had the chance to meet some Ranger types, saw very few SF. I admire and respect anybody who can put up with what you guys did. Just one request - please NEVER EVER let yourselves be used to suppress the american people. You are in a position of some power when you are serving, and you are, in my opinion. the very last hope for americans who are being dominated and suppressed by a corrupt american government that is not responsible to the will or needs of americans. We are counting on you to do the right thing when the time comes.
They will always do it. Why would anyone still be joining and serving this evil entity? And in the highest capacity? And then expect them to some reason disobey when they're briefed "take down these terrorists hooah?!". They'll do anything they're told.
Out of all the replies that I have taken the time to go through here? This is absolutely the most endearing and meaningful for all patriotic Americans and much like yourself sir I happen to be one of those!😊
A well done, clear and precise presentation. Very interesting. And of course "je tire mon chapeau" (as they say here in France) to the men who passed these very demanding training courses.
Very good description of the training. We always said the hardest part of making a Ranger a Green Beret was teaching them to think. Luckily, I had already been DLI and learned a language before the Q Course.
Absolutely awesome presentation. Spot on. I did RGR School first and served in a RGR BN before going to Phase 1 or SFAS. Your graduation rates are quite accurate, I believe. I love your analogy of RGR is university and SF as grad school. I found RGR as much more physically demanding and SFQ as more mentally challenging. Thank you for this. RLTW and DOL!!
I went through intense combat it Vietnam. Nagging was far worse. In the Nam if someone nagged you kicked the crap out of him, and he learned to shut his trap. In the World, you have to listen to that crap from her night and day, and NEVER fight back. I had only one argument when I was married. Problem is, it lasted all four years. It was like living with an oversized Chihuahua.
Mark Gossett: Marriage in itself is a war of attrition. I love my wife, don't get me wrong, but she's the enemy and I will not lose to the her. Who can outlast who. Sounds like you had a great marriage, sir. lol
Excellent vid and spot on pointing out the differences. I went through Ranger School back in '85. It was 4 phases back then that included a desert phase after mountain and before Florida Phase. Another difference was we were given three MRE's for every two days, so basically 1.5 MRE's per day instead of two. I remember a guy would eat all his meals at once. I asked why and he said, I just want to feel full, even if it is just once every two days. I also remember kicking over every can of old C-Rat we came across...found more than one pound cake or peanut butter that some poor Ranger had lost in years gone by...it was like winning the lottery.
Thanks Bnks...here is another one...So at Ranger School we were on night ambush and my Ranger buddy and I were far side security. Well by the time the ambush was set up we were way away from the kill zone. We laid there and heard the ambush go off and we are waiting for the signal to fall back to the ORP. Next thing I know, we hear a noise behind us...we say...who's there? Then the guy yells out loud "Here they are!" We are like dude shut up and he says..."man we been looking for you guys for a hour!!" We had fallen asleep and didn't even know it. The Range Instructor comes up says "Where are those two cocksuckers??"...man they had us doing possum pushups every time we stopped for the next two days. We both got a major minus for that one...but I would still swear we didn't fall asleep and they made the whole thing up. haha
I support the tough standards set by our military. It has become a standard for excellence. Strive on young people! Great training produces great leaders, and entrepreneurs.
Wow I got more respect now that I watched this, I’m impressed with the skill ad dedicated spirt of a Ranger and Special forces, everyone should show support for the dedicated people who serve and did serve their country!
Just fyi (this should impress you even more), neither of these schools actually make you a ranger or green beret. The rangers have RASP and the berets have SFAS to go thru as well. I'm not sure about Qcourse, but Ranger School is actually a leadership class that is available to everyone in the army (getting a slot is hard though)
I hope to achieve both the titles of Army Ranger and Green Beret, it really must be one helluva of an honor to say "I made it" after receiving your long tab, airborne, SCUBA, etc. More than twenty years planned, so much to do.
@Joey Snow1 Some sort of acronym for the act of crying yourself to sleep at night dealing with your PTSD while checking to see if your ex wife has responded to the 30th text you sent?
Well thought and executed information video. To be completely honest, I failed selection twice, and major minused in Ranger School the very last class that had a "Desert Phase". These three failures haunted me my entire career. There is something very special or unique that some men have, that separates them. Lots of people say it's a will to "win" or "never giving up". But I swear it's not that simple. I am no quitter, and I have an insatiable will to win. Perhaps there is a little "luck" or divine intervention at play. Men who bear those Tabs have that special divine spark. And I am thankful for that. God Bless the men that have it, and I pray, they are always on my side. God Speed! Molon Labe. ATW! TNGN!
@@karlalbright2733 I didn't say anything about "brains"...though remembering how to prep and brief a five paragraph OPORD on zero chow, muscle failure, and 40 days of Zombification takes "something". Godspeed and Blessings
Define harder… physically? mentally? Academically? intellectually? Look at it like this: it takes 62 days to pass Ranger school. It takes 1-2.5 years to pass SFQC with enough credits to receive an associate’s degree to damn near an PA certification. 🤷🏻♂️
This is a pretty solid breakdown. For those not familiar with the community, Ranger School and 75th Ranger Battalions are not the same thing. In Ranger Battalion, if you're in one of the combat MOSs, you must first undergo RASP, then about a year of on-the-job training as a pvt (which is essentially a continuation of selection but more relaxed), then Ranger School. This video is from a GB who went to Ranger School; he didn't go through RASP and Ranger School as required to be a leader in the Special Operations 75th. He wouldn't have had an issue if he would have tried, I'm certain. 75th Rangers are considered "Real Rangers" while Ranger school grads, who sometimes like to call themselves Rangers, which is fine, are referred to as "Ranger Qualified." Lastly, GBs have 100% failed/quit Ranger School, but it’s very very uncommon.
Jordan there are 3 battalions and STS. Then you have the HQ which isn’t really considered a Battalion. Then there are the training battalions (4th, 5th and 6th) that are NOT a part of the 75th. Hope that makes sense
First off good video, however in the last bit you talk about the Special Forces Instructor taping a laser pointer to check out the grazing fire on your KZ. You considered this to be a key factor in differentiating the difference between Ranger School and Special Forces School. I happen to know that a similar thing happened to me during Ranger School. Back in day, we had four phases with the last phase being Desert Phase conducted in the Dugway Proving Ground. We were conducting either a live fire ambush or raid, can't remember which as it has been a while. My Ranger Buddy and I were on the M60 with tripod set up in a cut off position, I was the number one on the gun. I had pick a location I thought was good for the M60; we were on a ridge covering down a valley with a road running down the middle of it leading to our position. We had to be able to neutralize anything coming down that road. While we were waiting, the "student" patrol sergeant came by and said we had to move the MG as we couldn't cover the road from our current position. I told him we were fine and that I could absolutely cover the road from our current location. It was then I heard a voice from behind me, "Ranger, are you positive you can cover the road?". I turned around and it was the course captain sitting on a big rock right behind me (sneaky devil). I told him we could, and he said "Prove it". I was like "excuse me?". He said it again "Prove it, fire your weapon". So I double check my line of fire, and told my number two to load. I opened the feed tray and he slapped the belt into the gun. I yelled out "Firing" and my number two repeated it back, and I let rip about a five round burst. The rounds landed just shy of where I wanted them. I added some elevation, and repeated the firing command and let a 10 burst go. I had a beautiful cone of fire right down the middle of the road. I turned around to the captain, and said "On!". He turned to the patrol sergeant and informed him that the MG was good where it was and that he could carry on. My Ranger Buddy and I had a good laugh over that, but we proved our point. So I guess it didn't just happen during Special Forces School. Congrats by the way on completing both, no easy task. Cheers
Thank you for this! It was always my suspicion that Ranger School is way more "suck" in the traditional infantry way that simply requires sticking it out, and that SF Qualification was difficult but also more "are you right for this". The difference in time alone is pretty significant. But holy cow, I didn't realize selection alone was 6 weeks. That's nuts.
People don't realize how physically, mentally, and emotionally demanding that job is. I think it's more physically demanding to be a Marine Infantryman than to be an NFL football player or any type of athlete for that matter. I've certainly known some FREAKISH beasts who were Marine infantrymen. Not to mention the sacrifices Marines make being away from home and the pain of losing close friends. My sincerest and humblest gratitude and respect goes off to you, man.
Christopher Gotto army infantry and marine infantry is basically the same thing . Dont let the marine title make it seem like a difference lol both drain you and both are highly physically demanding and emotionally demanding . Its not for everyone most people go in and think they can do it and most can because its more mental then physical but you will not come out the same as you were when you first went in .
Christopher, this is just awesome.....well done. Iliked the moment where You stated : "I have to point out I went to Ranger School after I went to the 'Q-Course'.... it was a Distinct advantage. The "Q" ensures One simple Concept - "EMBRACE THE SUCK".....it is so Simple.
First off ... Thank you and insane others like you, for your service. Now on with my story. My parents divorced back in 1963. My dad was a route salesman for Anheuser-Busch ... worked very hard (I know, as I worked with him a few times), and he made very little money. So when our one household became two, our quality of life which was not that great to start with, was cut in half. At 16 and 17, I played in a band with my older brother and ran on my HS varsity track team. The band required late night weekends with a load out from the house, load in at the job (often, at Mayport Naval Station), set up, four hours of playing, break down, load out of the venue, and load back into the house dependent on circumstances. Heavy amplifiers, hard work. Did that for 35 years in a variety of bands, Florida cities and circumstances, often while working 52 hours a week and attending university classes. High school track practice was a real joy! One-and-a-half-to-two hours every weekday. We would start with (yards, back then) (six) 220's or (12) 100 yard dashes ... fast as we could go. Then we would move on to 440's, 660's and 880's. Then I would move to my specialty, 110 high hurdles, high jump, and what we called back then, "broad" jump. Then finish with 25 round trippers up and down the bleachers ... All done in the Florida heat and humidity and without a molecule of water. The coaches actually removed the wheels off of all the outdoor spigots. Back then, water was an enemy ... After track practice, I would walk, around a mile home from an un-air conditioned school to an un-air conditioned house, and a bowl of soup and a sandwich every night for supper. The best meal I got all day, every day, was the $.35 hot plate lunch prepared at duPont Jr-Sr High School. And I was darn glad for it. In the middle of my senior year, I decided I was literally running a calorie deficit, and quit the track team out of pure practicality ... The band job paid, and I could eat more ... the track job didn't. I literally could no longer afford to do both. I graduated high school at 17 years of age and 6'2 and 145 pounds. These days, thanks to all those carried amplifiers and all the other physicality a man has to enter into across his life (six years of A-Fib), I can barely walk thanks to eight years of L4/L5 Foraminal Stenosis (complete with a near worthless surgery at year four). But the work goes on. I just finished vacuuming a 1600 square foot house at age 72 in more pain than should be allowed by law. So, from one who has done, I offer my sincere thanks to you for all that you have done and the sacrifices you have made. In my life's endeavors, at least most of the time I have had more food than you had in your training, and a bit more sleep. God bless the United States of America and the world's greatest military ...
Those who pass either course on their own are the elite of the elite. Soldiers with both tabs are the elite of the elite of the elite. Incredible stuff. Rangers are tough, disciplined and strong. SF operators are strong, tough and resourceful.
Dude, you're a badass. Congrats. I'm a former 11B and I went to the French Commando school and German Winter War School, but nothing as hard a Ranger School. Oh, and I was 1 of 4 guys picked to be a BOT which was a few months of training in the winter time in Germany (very cold).
I went through both in the 80s and eventually had to come back to Bragg to be a cadre at SFAS. I would say that physically they're the same but academically the SFQC is a lot more difficult depending on the MOS you are going for. Both courses though require the student to be mentally together or you're doomed. just don't quit! When I become the NCOIC of SFAS One of the hardest things I would have to do was to involuntarily withdrawal a candidate because they were hurt physically and couldn't keep up with the rest of the training team.
Thank you for your hard work and sacrifice for freedom and liberty! All of you are greatly appreciated!!! You are the best and you make America proud!!!
Listening to all this really helped me remember how unfit I am and how I’d die before I’d make it to the steps of both schools, but I mean good luck to everyone else
A Soldier who has earned both The Long( SPECIAL FORCES) and Short ( RANGER) Tabs has no less than 💯+10% love, honor, and respect from Me. He is most definitely of The Soldier Elite, and I Thank him for his Military Service. Hooah 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪 🤘💥💀!!
John Rodriguez I agree with you and I was a Marine for sixteen years, these guys go through hell much respect for a United States Marine ! GySgt Bray....
I just found a photo of me at 2/75 RIP sewing cat eyes on the back of my patrol cap at 2am using dental floss...if it was not done correctly you did not eat that day. Even in RIP the sleep and food deprivation was a factor.
In my selection class, ruck weights had to be 65lb without water, with many weigh stations along all the individual ruck movements, as well as during Team Week. Each scale registered differently, so you had to test all the scales to find the worst case scale so you would not be an honor code violation. My ruck normally weighed 85lbs with the 2 x 2 Qts attached to it, which I placed up high, re-sewed the 2 QT cover D-ring tape tabs onto for optimal load stability, with the 550 closure for the main compartment routed through the D-rings, sucking the covers up tight against the ruck. I was going to offer some more tips that I used, but people need to figure out solutions for themselves and not be spoon-fed. When I walked into the final point during the Star Land Nav exam in Phase I before SUTs, there was a huge pile of NO-GOs with Ranger tabs, all NCOs who were mostly really good dudes. They all had to re-take Star and either pass, or get the boot before even starting survival and SUTs. Big thing I've noticed is that guys who did SF SUTs vs Ranger School is that SF SUTs helps you actually remember what you learned about the specifics of patrolling, who goes where and with whom, when, with what weapons & equipment. The only others I knew in the Army that knew their patrolling as well were former RIs. What we did in SUTs in the Q really should be bare bones Infantry OSUT curriculum. There was nothing special about it, just very good execution of the basics run by a mostly professional cadre. Foreign soldiers from NATO countries and even some African ones expected a lot more out of the Q Course, and described much more battle-focused training in their basic infantry courses, with more advanced training in their commando or airborne courses in their home nations. British Paras, for example, have a much better initial training program for just getting into Para Regiment, whereas Army Airborne School is completely lacking in anything even closely resembling tactics or patrolling. Because the Army starts with such a low, almost non-existent standard for Initial Entry Training, MOS training, OSUT, NCO Professional Development, and all of its TRADOC schools, SF is given very low-rate material to work with in most cases, outside of guys from Ranger Regiment, LRS, an exceptional Infantry, or Combat Arms Background filled with a lot of deployment and focused training experiences. The leadership culture of the Army was almost completely void of men who were actual warriors, professionals, and seekers of excellence. This is a general condition inherited from society as a whole, which comes down to eroded families and public schooling.
I think there is value from Ranger School in that it breaks people down, while still requiring them to make leadership decisions when sleep and calorie-deprived under simulated combat conditions. It builds a lot of confidence in dismounted small unit leaders as intended, however retention of technical patrolling skill sets are lacking for those reasons. Those who have gone SF before going to suck school are far better prepared to work as strong students that will help the others remember who goes out with the PL on his recon, who to take when setting up the SBF so you don't violate basic principles of patrolling, how to set in your security elements, all the planning and TLPs, etc. On the regular side, they really need a formal SUTs course to be mandatory throughout Initial Entry, AIT, NCOPD, and officer development aside from a single course with Ranger School, where dismounted infantry and combat arms operations are continually honed throughout one's profession, no matter how short or long that is. It would be worth considering for units to go through it together, and knock out their ARTEP as well on a normal cycle.
It's a school as you say. 65 to 85lbs is much at all for schoolschildren. Our Marines start at 100lbs and then they can add all their gear and weapons to that. These days with the US military deploying Xboxcontrollers the worst thing that may happen is sprain your thumbs ... I think. :D
Army "leadership" is a bunch of bureaucrats who know how to work the system. Most true leaders are run out by the spotlighters, TRADOC commandos and half-assed pedants. Also, the "up or out" policy guarantees that nobody holds any position long enough to actually get good at it. It's bad enough when some staffer gets rotated out during a deployment but I saw one platoon have both their PL and PSG rotated during a single deployment. That sort of thing happens all the time. The US Army is in BIG trouble when WW3 kicks off.
I went through in 79, it was a bit different then. The RI"s were still free to "abuse" us quite a bit. I incurred the wrath of "killer Conrad" and lived it every single day of RIP
When I was in the boy scouts, we went on patrol, we were armed to the teeth, we carried a Snickers bar, some chewing gum we snuck a can of cola, we had our trusty pocket knife, that had utinsels attached, and rope just in case we had to make a square knot, and we found the camp of our objectives, and we quietly worked our way down, and we attacked, we took no prisoners, boy those girlscouts, gave up without a fight, some of us scouts, were kissed to death, those were the lucky ones, a merit badge were handed out to the bravest, amung us, for braving the elements, we will attack again tomorrow,
True Story about GB's. They used to garrison GB teams around military bases where they kept the chem weapon stockpile. High security was maintained, and the GB's would probe the base security. I used to go, to calibrate sensors, in these areas, just in case they get a leaker, these sensors would warn the base, and data from our towers would be fed into real time weather models that were always modelling a catastrophic bunker detonation. So, we would drive off the chem protected areas for lunch, and to have a smoke in a safe place, as the weapons storage is obviously a "no smoking" environment. One day, after we had eaten, I asked the guy I was with if he had a light, and 3 feet from our truck, a GB in full camo said "Sure." He and his team had been able to sneak up on us, and maintain within 6 feet of our vehicle, without us seeing them. They worked the shadows, changed their shape with natural vegetation. I won't talk too much about what else they did/used, but they are truly masters of camo. They had a huge laugh on us, and I can't tell you the adrenaline rush that it caused to know there were 6 guys suddenly next to us. Almost time for an underwear change. We were doing nothing wrong, but just the fact that they could sneak up on us, without our noticing it, is simply stunning. You could tell it made their day that they could catch us off-guard, so to speak.
Keep your mindset that you refuse to give up Brother. Focus on what makes you happiest... family children your country. Do whatever it takes and don’t give up.
@@VikingWolf84 I've already put it in my head that I'll die before I quit. I'm 23, a little overweight. Some guys will out physique me, definitely out run me in the beginning. But I won't let anyone out-fight me.
My Step-son just completed Special Forces Qualification course (he passed) he completed Ranger School about five years ago. I asked him last month which was harder, no hesitation he said SFQ was much harder
@@sinkbuddy5286 Maybe because it was at least 18 months and then never really ends as you train and go to many different school like Ranger school, HALO school, Scuba School. The hardest thing I ever did in the army was learn morse code and then in SF faster sending and receiving morse code. It just never ends. Rangers are like grad students while a fully qualified GB is a PHD in warfare. Ranger school lasts weeks as opposed to SF schools that can take years.
Thanks for this informative distinction. Much respect to SF guys and you sir, for passing both. True warriors. I have three Green Berets in the family. Including my father, a Bronze Star with ‘V’ Device recipient, two Air Medals and two Army Commendation Medals with 3rd Group in ‘Nam ‘68-‘70. Kinda wish I would’ve joined and put myself through hell. To me, this kind of stuff looks exhaustingly fun.
I went to the "Q" Course in 1981 and Ranger school in 1986, and while I know the schools have changed over the years the basic goals of the two schools were the same then as now. I completely agree. The "Q" course was harder than Ranger school. I say that although I started Ranger school with 2 other men from 5th SFGA and I was the only one that graduated. Stuff happens. Oh, and I want to comment on the comment below from BASSically a God - I saw Howard the Duck in full living color in Ranger school. Another thing, while SERE school was not part of the "Q" course in 1981, we had survival training, I lost a whole lot more weight in SERE school when I went than I did in Ranger school. Finally, you got it wrong, it's "Rangers Lead the Way after Special Forces sets up the Drop Zone." Great Video.
I saw all I wanted in Recondo school at Fort Bragg. We lost about 50 people out of 70. When I graduated I said to myself, why am I putting myself through so much crap, oh yeah, because I’m AIRBORNE!😎
I remember hearing a guy from Delta saying ranger kicked his ass more, they threw their bags on a truck and told them to go after em, which was miles and miles away.
Depends on the average length of the youtube videos and what you're doing during that time. If you're conducting drills, studying standards and creeds and languages, while carrying a hundred pound ruck on a treadmill with no sleep or food for days on end while watching the videos, you're a serious fucking candidate, haha.
Going through infantry (11B myself) bootcamp at Ft. Benning way back, the Drill Sgts. call the tripple tabs (i.e. Special Forces, Ranger and Airborne tabs in descending order) the Tower of Power. Many of them had all three along with other certifications. The story they would tell us...when we weren't doing PT for some shit one of us did.
Yeah most DS at benning are combat vets . I met some pretty bad mfers at benning . Best training of my life was at benning i went for just a simple 11B as well .
I'm gonna call bullshit on you right now. Due to the fact that the SF community is as small as it is, Special Forces command would not let that many people B-billet outside of the community for that long.
The Airborne tab is not an award, its part of the unit patch of assignment. The Airborne award is a set of Silver wings on your test, with orders in hand, along with Jump Pay and cold beer.
@WhoDarestheMAN gamer JROTC is pretty much the US equalling of UK army cadets. The guy here was making a satire joke, he's not being serious. It's funny because many members of the JROTC act like they're actually in the army so he's imitating what one of them might say which is that it's very hard when infact it is very easy.
@@flapajack3215 JROTC was nothing. They gave u a bare minimum taste of army life and I mean bare minimum. Enjoyed the experience but I tell people quick it is just a High School program
You guys were “HAMMERED” when you rucked into Robin Sage. As you know we acted up at RS; one Pinelander shot off a flare at like 1am to give away our position. About 30-40 mins later we had a giant forest fire. We all learned basic fire fighting on the spot. Took about 30 of us until sunrise to put it out. Terrible lol
My husband was Airborne Ranger and 10th Group SFA and Pathfinder. He did break his ankle during the " Q" course but finished. He says they were BOTH hard. The hunger during Ranger school was tough.
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With an intervention?
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Akimbo sawed off shotties EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
😂😂 this isn't even Ranger indoc or training. It's a leadership school that anyone in any branch can sign up for. It is mandatory for actual Ranger try-outs, but passing the school doesn't get you in the 75th Ranger Regiment. It'll give you a tab that says "Ranger", meaning you're Ranger qualified. But to be an actual 75th Ranger, you have complete RASP, Ranger School and Jump School. SERE School is optional, not mandatory, unlike Green Berets.
High school was way harder, especially because they used live rounds
I didnt help that our captain told us to hold down the classrooms rather than retreat. I lost alot of brothers in highschool but it was worth it for the scroll.
THAT is the dumbest thing I have heard today, ass wipe!
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My dad was so hungry in ranger school he hallucinated and thought a tree was a vending machine, trying to put a quarter in it.
The Lunch Table lol
Lol in the Marines I was sleep deprived. We dug our foxholes late as shit when we got done 3 of us was Laying in it and I was looking out and there was a billboard on the mountain but I was sure it was a tall creature walking, I was so convinced that I convinced the others til they told my scary as to go to bed. Next morning I woke up to a punch by one of them like bitch it is a fkn billboard I was like Ooooo lol
where did he get the quarter.. DI would have my ass
I mean no offense to our well trained troops and understand they need to turn men into hardcore fighting machines.
I get the conditioning and training for what COULD happen out in the field and weeding out the weak.
Although this has got to be one of the biggest military training mistakes ...purposely depriving a soldier of whats needed to fuel their bodies and expect them to perform....Its like trying to race a Nitromethane dragster on 87 octane pump gas and still expect it to run 300 MPH. It's not just ignorant but simply a bad decision.
@@drd1924 in a way, you contradicted yourself by prefacing your second sentence with "I get the conditioning and training for what COULD happen in the field...". That's exactly what it's for. Ranger School is supposed to break you down as much as possible so that when you're in real shit it'll seem like nothing. Had a TACP buddy of mine that went to Ranger and got his tab and for a guy who's been through the USAF TACP PAST and A&S program, he said it was one of the shittier schools he's been too. Mainly, because of what was addressed in this video (the sleep and nutrition deprivation). But, he quickly followed his assessment of the school with the fact that he was extremely grateful that the school existed, because he "...might actually be able to deal with shit on less than an hour of sleep under fire...". So, yes, though the choices of the Ranger School to deprive men of their fuel and sleep might seem like a mistake, it's a damn good one that'll make sure we don't our asses handed to us in the field.
My cousin is a Ranger. Had a convo with him once about it..
Me: What's the hardest part about Ranger school
Him: The hardest? I'm not sure, but I know the easiest part.
Me: Whats that?
Him: Falling asleep
Bryan Mahoney what’s harder ranger or green beret ?
Bryan Mahoney what’s harder ranger or green beret ?
Turtlemilk - that’s literally what this video is about
@@joshhaddock6772 People frequently talk about Green Beret without realize that it's just the nickname (literally the color of the beret that they are allowed to wear in garrison) for Special Forces. Easy to educate so they don't make the mistake again.
I used to suffer from insomnia, Ranger School is a 100% effective cure for that.
Next episode should be "What's Harder - Navy SEALs selection and training or Being Straight in the Navy"
Well now we know why you joined the navy.
Funny shit.
Lmao! Damn
I heard navy cuz you have to worry about not dropping the soap.
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The new Secretary of Defense had been confirmed and was touring the Pentagon, taking briefings on the capabilities of his forces. He had a well-deserved reputation as a no-nonsense guy. After a briefing on Special Operations Forces, he was escorted to lunch by a Green Beret officer.
The secretary’s confused look did not bode well as they walked through the E ring. “I understand how SOF is different from conventional forces, but the Rangers and Green Berets seem just alike to me. You have a Special Forces Tab and a Ranger Tab. What’s the difference?”
“The units are very different, sir. While both units are composed of very capable soldiers, selected for intelligence and fitness, Rangers attack the enemy directly, while Special Forces work by, with, and through indigenous forces to accomplish tasks far beyond their numbers.” The Green Beret secretly hoped he would not be pulled into the eternal Ranger versus SF discussion for the 10,000th time. He prided himself in his teaching abilities, but this guy was being obtuse.
“They dress just alike, they are both ARSOF units, and they both have direct-action capabilities. How are they so different?” It seemed the secretary was going to force this. The next four years of Special Forces missions hinged on the new secretary’s understanding. As they walked through an area of temporary construction, the Green Beret had a flash of inspiration.
“Sir, humor me here; let’s do a little demonstration. Rangers are highly aggressive. They pride themselves on their toughness and discipline. They follow orders without question. You see that huge soldier with a tan beret? He is a Ranger.”
As the Ranger approached, the Green Beret called out, “Hey, Ranger! Come here.”
The Ranger moved toward them, sprang to attention and saluted. “Rangers lead the way, sir. How may I be of assistance?”
“Can you help us here for a moment? This is the new Secretary of Defense. He wants to know more about the Rangers. Will you help me educate him?”
Pointing to a new section of hallway, the Green Beret officer said, “Ranger, I need you to break through that wall.”
“Hooah, sir. Would you like a breach, or complete destruction?”
“A man-sized breach will be fine.”
With that, the Ranger removed his beret and assumed a three-point stance six feet from the wall. With a grunt, he launched himself into the wall, punching his head and shoulders right through the drywall. Hitting a 2×4 on the way through, he was a little stunned, but he continued to work, smashing a hole wide enough for a fully kitted Ranger to pass through. Staggering to his feet with a trickle of blood running down his face, he appeared a little disoriented.
“Thank you, Ranger. Great job. You are a credit to the Regiment. You need to go the aid station and get some one to look at that cut.”
The secretary was incredulous. He had never seen such a display of pure discipline and strength. “That was astounding. What could Special Forces possibly do to match that?”
The Green Beret was also impressed, but not surprised. “The Rangers are highly disiplined sir, but Special Forces selection and training also produces strong, highly disciplined soldiers. We deploy older, more mature soldiers in very small numbers. They understand that they are a valuable strategic resource, and are selected for their advanced problem-solving abilities.”
The secretary seemed displeased. “Frankly, that sounds like bullshit. It seems that these Rangers are the finest soldiers in the Army. What could Special Forces do that the Rangers cannot?”
As he spoke, a Green Beret staff sergeant walked by. Not as young or lean as the Ranger, he had a commanding presence and a serious look filled with confidence. The Green Beret officer called him over.
“Hey Mike, can you help us here for a moment? This is the new Secretary of Defense. He wants to know more about the Special Forces; will you help me educate him?”
The staff sergeant shook the secretary’s hand and introduced himself. “How can I help you, sir?”
Pointing to an undamaged section of hallway, the Green Beret officer said, “Mike, I need you to break through that wall.”
“No problem. Would you like a breach, or complete destruction?”
“A man-sized breach will be fine.”
The staff sergeant removed his beret and stood for a moment in silent thought six feet from the wall. He scanned the area and smiled broadly as he found the perfect tool for the job. “Hey Ranger,” he said, “come here.” - Exerpt from SOFREP.com - BY MARK MILLER 01.04.2015
I heard this one at Q, not so long, but yes, it's a good laugh - but DOES exemplify the differences. Those psychometric tests throughout selection and Q weren't for nothing!
funny, I was only assigned one after selection
Jon Smallwood 10 out of fucking 10
Dude... Why
Was the tool a door?
It takes a special kind of person to go through all that. No doubt.
with a wide Range of skills
That's why I want to join.
@@ST1RM I wish you success.
Should be RASP not ranger school.
It takes a person who has a strong mind and body. Anyone can lift weights, but not giving in to your mind is tougher. Remember, the mind always gives way before the body does.
Mind: "I could probably still do that"
Body: *laughs in bone spurs, back problems, and arthritis*
Tommy Finley lol just had spurs removed and a disc adjust in my lower back. Not fun.
Hell I thought those were part of the graduation rewards.
i got spurs that jingle jangle jingle...
@@RenardNAMx jingle jangle
As a former Sapper I agree ! Haha
I made it through SF in 1968, and Ranger in 1970. I know that things have changed since my time, but while I found SF to be challenging I found Ranger to life changing. SF selection was 3 weeks, and by the time it was finished about 70% of us were gone. As near as I could tell about 12 of the original 120 made it all the way through. Ranger started with 319, and graduated 81. I took the last step at Hurlburt field, fell flat of my face, and graduated in the hospital. In my day Ranger candidates worked on one C-ration per day, and the usual no sleep, etc. SF training had no food restrictions, and I don't recall being particularly exhausted. Before Ranger School I had an SF combat tour in 'Nam, and I thought I was a hard ass. Ranger class 4-71 taught me I wasn't as bad as I thought I was. In the end I agree with the author: Ranger is the most glorious suck of all time while SF produces the thinking man's predator.
And I bet the instructors made sure no one got the turkey loaf C-rat. :-)
After what I Hurd it's hard being special forces in Vietnam having to fight the Soviet Union, the NVA and the Vietcong thank you for your service
Much respect to you! My uncle Wally was a Green Beret in Vietnam. He was an E-8. He was in the Korean War too.
Thanks!!!!!!
couldnt have put it better myself. hell of a lot more physical /mental bs getting to the end of it in RT. my class started with 131, and graduated 39 with 10 of us set aside for immediate extended training for Spec. Op's. Im still a predator, I still hear and see things others dont. Heightened awareness becomes ingrained after getting through the special operations sessions. And they dont stop, even after several deployments....your always training. Im older now, I miss it in some ways, but it alienates you from the herd. 10% actually step up to serve, of that 10% 1 % do weird shit at 0230 so the rest can skip down to the Starbucks without a care. And I was in from 80 -86. I have seen contras, mujahideen, russians in hinds, and hausas in Nigeria. Liberal socialists scare me worse than all of the aforementioned.
How dare you use logic and solid comparable analysis while having a soothing voice.👍 I must subscribe 👍
Roman Hashon lol
Roman Hashon, Warriors voice. You can always tell how deadly someone is, by how calm and soothing they speak. :)
Roman Hashon I'm 53 and still CLIMBING them DAMN tree's if you need some help let a BROTHER KNOW.
Calm is deadly.
Okay I’m 19 if I try and attempt to do both how old would I be if I finished both of them ?
I learned that I am able to do Much more then I ever thought I could.
I was forced to do more and more and more under worse & worse conditions. I could have just quit...
But that was not an option for me personally. I was amazed at how much I could endure and suffer through. Later, when I got zapped, the only thing that kept me fighting to live, was my past training.
Thank you Sgt Fitzpatrick,
I am alive today because you and the other instructors pushed me past my breaking point.
I learned that in the kaibil course in Guatemala that shit was exhausting. I remember I fell asleep tying my boots lol
0:28 Him saying ranger school "sucks more" my guess, probably means it was more physically demanding where as the Q course was harder and more mentally taxing.
As befit to their design, one is geared toward shock trooper-like role in hot firefight situation and the other is for what basically infiltration and guerilla teaching mission.
Captain obvious
@@gaythugsmatter7029 I agree but if you look at the comments most people have their own theories..... Yea I'm not going to touch that but the 10 ft pole. You can go open that kind of worms.
Everyone has their own opinion. Having done both, I feel certain parts of the Q were way harder than Ranger School. I can only remember 2 times in RS where it legitimately physically. Both were in mountain phase.
Can confirm. Ranger School sucked absolute ass. No recycling for me tho! Class of 10-09.
The real question is, if you are stuck in a room with a crossfitter, a vegan and a ranger. Who will tell you what they are first.............
TheSpartanPaul even tougher, a marine or navy seal 😂
but you never realised the 4th guy in the room, that stays silent.
so you never got a tab and it shows
lmfao I laughed so hard at this question lol
Holy good god ass hurt. Do you need some ice guy?
This type of training is invaluable in life, not just the military. Hats off to all who entered and to those that compleated the programs.
It's not just the training but it's also the test. To actually survive the Highest level of manual labor is the highest physical state of human life. Some people are not naturally built to survive a fraction of doing that for a sustained duration. If dying isn't a validated stamp of "failed" I'm not sure what is.
You say this generation is entitled than the next sentence say they need to learn to rely on the people around them. That is contradictory.
@Risk 74 rely on the person in front of u? theres no such thing lol. u cant even rely on your partner not to ditch you for another guy. comradarie isnt a thing in civilian life.
and no amount of training is going to make shitty people stop being shitty people.
When will no food and sleep be required in the civilian world?
excellent. Ranger school '85. Q course '88. I agree.
are you saying people with 88 IQ are retarded?
sound insight where’d you get that??
sound insight He said he did Q course in 1988
Don’t know where you are getting “people with 88 IQ are retarded”
What a random conclusion to draw.
Inactive I think he was just messing with you
My father was ranger school in 85
Thanks for sharing your experiences...as an old school Ranger and SF member [never attended but was assigned to the 8th SF in Panama after my combat tour in Vietnam] 1967-1976, we were the the point of the spear at that time, and our training was tough, merciless and realistic. And we were ready to face what may...the new breed of Ranger and SF trooper I see when I go to Ft Lewis, is playing the same role, being the point of the spear, in a much different multifaceted type of combat environment...I am honored and proud of what we, the Old Generation, accomplished when we were the ones occupying the place this new warriors occupy for us today. To all of you, Hand Salute, RLTW!
Hooah!
I went through the Ranger course (Winter) in the early 70s and the Q course in the late 70s, and I must say that this assessment of the courses is probably one of the best comparisons I have ever heard. The real assessment of how they qualify their students is after they hit their respective units. The training never stops and it is really heartening to see the "old-timers" actually taking time(if they have it) to continue to instruct the Newbies into the "Tricks of the Trade". The "Finishing School" is, of course, the real world operations that they all risk their lives in. Thank the Lord for men that move in the night and strike fear in the hearts of the enemy!
White thread on your Ranger tab ?
Bovine excrement.
Dr. Shekelstein Another parasite living off of America’s waste has been dug up.
For me, the green berets, sadly have been push a side for the more popular in movies "navy seal", but people forget that the Green Berets are made for long, hard, and sometimes, god help them, brutal missions, seals are made for hit and run, yes their are very greath warriors, but i go with the Green Berets. Roy Benavidez, check him.
It's not like that anymore; Ranger school grads go right back to the unit they were just in. If one wants to serve in the 75th they have to go to RASP.
Worst part was the lack of food. I lost like 30lbs in that school. Great comparison btw..
Class of 86'... Geez that was a long time ago...
That's hardcore brutha. Good on ya. US Navy here. Just an airdale. Not NSW
Class 501-73; that's 1973
3 square meals that plugged you up for days. Hahaha.
@@tamerlainrex9225 I was too😁. Remember "Uncle Bernie"?. Second platoon.
YanksOnTop
what school was that Grammer where they stole your Lunch money?
One thing I learned when going through the more extreme training schools in the military is this. You do NOT make up sleep. There's no such thing. Once it is gone and missed, it is gone, it doesn't come back. Realizing this one thing alone helped me quite a bit. One thing you can do to keep your calories up when going through Ranger School or RIP is this, and I got the idea from the Ranger School survival manual. You won't always have time to eat. So, drink as much whole milk as you possibly can. In the book he talks about how everyone else was losing weight in phase one while he gained weight, and the RIs couldn't figure out how it was possible. You'll lose it all in mountain anyways. But, it does act like as a nice little buffer against running on a constant coloric defect.
What, you get unlimited whole milk in training courses? Where you gonna get all this whole milk you're talking about drinking?
@@i-love-comountains3850 In the first phase, Benning, you get to go to the chow hall still quite a bit when you aren't in the field. I drank as much whole milk as I possibly could. This is what dude says to do in the ranger school survival handbook as well and where I got the idea from. You still are going out quite a bit and eating a lot of mre. But, those times you do go to the chow hall, I was drinking milk like a pirate drinks rum. After phase one, it's pretty much all field time and mre after that.
Phase one seemed more like it was to weed out the less than intelligent people and very out of shape. Phase 2 and 3 is where they start to see who can physically handle the no sleep and no food stuff while rucking 20+ miles a day with a hundred pound pack. That's also when having an extra 2-3 pounds of fat on your body can make the difference between having the energy to finish or not.
John Doe that is interesting and very smart how you drank whole milk to get the most calories and other nutrients in a short amount of time! I just want to note how old school bodybuilders and powerlifters used whole milk to bulk up prior to steroids using the milk and 20-rep squat diet.
@@alvarocorral1576 Oh yeah, I have read Mark Rippetos book, starring strength. He advocates for a full gallon per day. Now that I'm not active, and just a casual body builder, I still drink about half a gallon of whole milk. But, I mix in this stuff called Redcon MRE. Me and whey don't mix. So, I've been using this stuff instead and it's worked wonders for me. It has a protein mix of beef isolate, salmon, peas, etc as a source instead of dairy. Plus, it has oatmeal in it, and a ton of calories because of it. The only downside is it's about $20 more for the equivalent competition. Taste is amazing. Try it out if you use protein powder. www.bodybuilding.com/store/redcon1/mre.html?skuId=RCON4910025&PLASKU=RCON4910025&gclid=Cj0KCQiAjfvwBRCkARIsAIqSWlO9f3UhNe6pV8LzXzYZhKzmau3sxDjK4JnrahsRt6TI7RlXAXrvCJAaArQrEALw_wcB
John Doe I am in need of products like this to keep my weight on from doing bjj and other endurance stuff. I will give it a try, Thanks!
I know this is an “old” video (ie, 2yrs old); however, I just came across the video & your channel. Upon completion, I immediately subscribed (w/ all future notifications set), & I wanted to say, “this was a GREAT, & EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE, video. You did a fantastic job not only articulating your POVs (& returning to them often to reenforce), but also providing sound logic & rationales for your positions/POVs while simultaneously being informative in a general sense so as to appropriately set (initial) expectations for any, & all, interested in a future in the SOF community.” Thank you for the video, & the time you took to do it better than anyone else’s (imo). Finally, thank you for your service. As the first person in my family to be unable to serve - discovered I have a bone disease in my right leg (likely from my dad’s 2 tours in Vietnam &, specifically, Agent Orange) & amputation wouldn’t have sufficed to become eligible - I became a business professor & textbook author; however, I’ve long turned to the tried & true methods & lessons of the military for insights into Marketing & Entrepreneurship Strategy, & this, while not directly related, offered several insights I know I will use in future courses & writings. Again, thank you for your service, & this great video, & I look forward to learning more from y’all in the future. Have a great upcoming week, & sorry for the long message.
how was ranger school, I intend to sign up to the army and join it. im pretty athletic . so any tips you would like to pass out since youve been in it more recently.
I'm an Army O-6, Dental Corps. So, I did EFMB and Zero day for AA. I never attempted Ranger or SF. I've always known the basic differences in the schools and the purposes of the units. This is the best video explanation I've seen on the subjects. Well done!
How long did it take you to get to o6
@@javi3717 0....................cuz he not ever served! lol
Army: let’s make sleep deprivation one of the hardest parts about ranger school!
Teenagers today: I’m about to end this mans whole career
James H. Dickens Teens (gen z) these days are pussies. One of the reasons why they made Navy bootcamp way easier than what it was 10-15 years ago. Because recruits would literally be crying home to mommy and daddy about how the “RPOs are yelling at me!”
Alberto Vazquez Found the pussy. How’s minecraft, bub?
@@ArashiKageTaro Actually Training was made weaker because Fucking Millennials are the actual pussies.
No caffeine, food deprivation, and physical exercise. Any one of these can put a man to sleep.
Arashi Kage you’re so right ! They had to change so much at basic training due to people being soft...
RLTW: class 272:
In the field we got one meal, LRRP Ration, some C rations, in a day/24 hour day. There was 50% drop out/recycle rate including 2 Israelis, 2 Australians, a SF Team, one of them my ranger buddy in the mountain phase, and some Marines.
My primary MOS 81B, engineering, and secondary MOS 05C, radio teletype. I was at great disadvantage. At the time of being accepted to Ranger school I was in the 75th Rangers. Having to figure out 11B tactics and learn Ranger tactics was somewhat double OJT for me.
You're correct. Ranger school sucks but I am glad I completed it, but would not want to do it again. I went in weighting 160, at completion, 120. Refugee status.
I received orders for Vietnam upon completion of Ranger school.
Proud Ranger
Good video brother.
Wayne F. Martin those days are past for me now things have really changed sence these young guns of today are much better trained and equipped than us i for one am proud of each one who wears the tab
that's some history right there, sir. we had about 4 squads worth of Egyptian officers in RAN school, but Q was even weirder. the day before graduation it was revealed that three of our 12man team were mossad, cadre confirmed it. no big, really, as we also had israelis soldiers going through anyway. the only question i had was, 'why would they stick assets like that in an 18month training course while they could have just held a shorter course elsewhere?' didn't make much sense, but politicians and diplomats were always the wizards...
The modern Ranger battalions were formed in 1974. Yet, you say you were in the 75th Rangers and you were in class 272. Most grads use a hyphen after the month. For example 2-72. How do you explain the discrepancy?
Yeah numbers don't add up... October 24 1974 75th was established...first ranger class was in November 1950...u couldn't have been in the 75th and in Vietnam
Chin Brumback 3rd bat was 84
when a super soldier makes a youtube channel...
In the summer of 1981, my RIs said “We are making this tough to simulate combat. Since we can’t shoot at you, we are going to make the program physically hard while asking you to be mentally tough.” Thirty years later in Afghanistan, I realized Ranger School was good preparation for the real deal behind enemy lines. My SF colleagues were just as well prepared and said the same thing about Robin Sage. The programs are designed to make you mentally tough so you can survive and thrive in physically, mentally and emotionally challenging environments. RLTW.
Raising 4 kids by myself was harder, haha. Ranger school class of 80.
Damn it ! Those troublesome children again .
I'm not worried about Hell. I was married for two fucking years! Hell would be like Club Med!..
Korea?
Especially if they're girls!
@@terryboyer1342 I have a daughter she is ten when should I worry about her you know having sex? I'm scared
9/95 Ranger. Both are great schools and both are hard and both will challenge u harder than u ever thought u could be challenged. Never went to SF but a handful of my Ranger buddies did and they said both were hard in different ways. Best thing I ever did and I’ll always be grateful for what Ranger School taught me about myself. Thanks for ur service to all soldiers because everyone has their part and none of us could do our job if other weren’t doing their job.
Class 1/95 here
Very well stated and my sentiments exactly. Making fun of other units create unit pride. But u must remember that we are fighting on the same team. Different jobs different branches.
Any branch of any service can get away with making fun of each other but we don't under any circumstances allow outsiders to come in to where they don't belong!@@jameyhenderson7271
My son was Cadre at Florida phase 3 years and some of the stories he's told me he dealt with students is amazing.
Thank you for your service. I'm proud of guys like you and my father...
The CEOs of all the major defense contractors should thank them for their service, not you. They are not fighting for your 'freedom". What freedom? The freedom to forcibly pay taxes to the British Crown via the IRS? The freedom to social distance and wear a mask in public for a fake virus? What an idiot you are.
@@brucejemcek6986 shut up, civilian coward
MREs= Meals Rejected by the Ethiopians
Lol
I have NEVER heard that one!!! That is fantastic!!!!
Deckie, I heard that one before. It was in a book called, “In Company Of Hero’s.”
fastest land animal = ethiopean chicken
Took some brain storming for a while on your part to finally make that work didn't it pal?
I was all ready to tear into you for even suggesting that Ranger school could come close to the Q Course, but after watching this I realized I'm just old. Ranger school sounds much harder now, and the Q Course, it seems. Things have changed. Mind you, I was in the last hard class, but phase One was only about 8 weeks long. There was pre-phase training, but it wasn't graded or anything. Just keeping you fit and giving you training until the class before you finished and it was your turn. Phase One was brutal mostly because of the conditions. This was the early 80's and there were no comforts whatsoever out at Camp MacCall. Tar paper shacks with plywood cots, cold showers (suck L11 from Nov to Apr) mostly inedible c-rations, and very little regard for safety, or things like heat stroke and "hydration" and modern ideas like that. We started with over 200 and finished with around 70, as I recall. Then came phase 2. I was a medic, so we lost a lot to academics. There was no physical challenge, but the academic standards were very high. That was 13 weeks for classroom (300f1) and about 4 weeks for Med Lab. We lost easily two thirds of the class there. Then came phase 3, which was essentially a gimmie. Not many failed phase 3. The rest of the training, like SEER and D-Lab, came once you were assigned to a team.
The major difference between the old school and the new seems to be, though the new school may be harder, the old school was eager to get rid of you. They wanted you to quit, and tried their best to make that happen. On hot days while ruck "marching" (running) in cat 4 weather, an air conditioned ambulance followed us, constantly announcing over the PA free ice cream to anyone that got in the truck. To my amazement, almost every day, someone would get in that truck. Good times.
My grandpa served in the 475th infantry regiment in Burma in WWII, and having talked to him and other Merrill's Marauders veterans many of the Ranger school things make sense given their experiences. In the field they generally had only spoons in order to cut down on weight and reduce rattling. The constant patrolling was due to the fact that they were behind Japanese lines and had to be constantly aware of the enemy's displacement and movements. They had to deal with a lot of food deprivation because their supply air drops weren't always guaranteed and sometimes had misdrops, so they often had to make two days worth of rations stretch for five days. Sleep deprivation was due to combat and their March schedule which was hellish.
My father was an OSS scout for Merrill’s Marauders. They definitely lost a lot of weight if they were good enough to make it to the end. My father went through the OSS school and from what I was told a British commando school. He worked a lot with Roy Matsumoto a OSS interpreter and spy who would infiltrate the Japanese. Both have the MOH. Both are in the Ranger Hall of Fame. Roy became one of the first instructors for the Green Berets. Never forget what they accomplished.
Thanks for sharing. I'm sure you know that the Merrill's Marauders patch became the 75th Ranger patch of today.
@@charleswinters7129 Wow! You're dad sounds like quite the guy. The OSS were very important to the Marauders/MTF success. If I recall correctly, some of the Marauder vets wanted to invite the OSS vets to a reunion but couldn't find any contact info at the time. You're correct about Mr. Matsumoto. He and the other Nisei military intelligence soldiers were indispensable. They, particularly Mr. Matsumoto, literally saved the unit on several occasions.
@@17fourU yes indeed! It's a distinguished legacy that is still ongoing. 👍🪖⚔️
I remember one time in the Air Force when my coffee was not real hot🤬 it was very upsetting
That must have been horrible for you next one on me . I drink tea .take good cared of yourself.
LMAO
@@FreeBirdVince but it was true. I do miss the Air Force.
Ranger Class 10-‘69. Including recycles, 235 guys. 110 made it to the end and 98 of those got Tabs. I don’t know about today, but then you could not drop out. You had to be physically injured to the point that you could not go on. This video brought back memories. I do remember the Benning phase, gobbling as much as I could while shuffling quickly to the trash can, all the while the instructor screaming, “Eat your shit and get out of my mess hall!” We only got one C ration a day on patrol in the mountains and Florida. Went in at 208, came out 165. It was miserable, but that’s where I really learned how to terrain navigate, and the first rule of Rogers’ Rangers was imprinted on my brain: “Don’t Forget Nothin’.” It made all the difference as a platoon leader in RVN with the 101.
Thank you sir for your service to this country. Those who never serve don't understand the sacrifices. Except immediate family. Thank you again.
Thank you for your service
Respect!
7-73 Your experience sounds more like mine. We graduated 18 I don't remember how many started.
There are more applicants than slots now.
A little advice train more for endurance and not focusing on being the biggest guy
Yes, indeed! I knew a guy that was as much of a body builder as he could be....went to Ranger school and lost about 2 years of muscle gain. Ohhhh, he was pissed. Lol
Country Road
Haha don't need to train to be the biggest guy, cause I'm already 6'4 and 240lb, so just gonna go wreck my knees
that is not what "muscle memory" means.
BIg Meatheads are no good at this.. Tall Skinny Marathon runner Types are the best....
I was 5' 8.5" and only around 145lbs when I went to Selection. Day 1 I looked around and started sizing each guy up. Natural instinct is to see the "in shape" guys and assume they'll do just fine. Nope! One guy I thought for sure would breeze right on through quit on day 2. Saw him sitting at a tree crying and just generally pissed.
Just about, just about every guy there that was the same build as me made it. I'd be safe saying that more larger built (muscular) guys quit or simply failed than those of my build.
I did 20 in the army and had the chance to meet some Ranger types, saw very few SF. I admire and respect anybody who can put up with what you guys did.
Just one request - please NEVER EVER let yourselves be used to suppress the american people. You are in a position of some power when you are serving, and you are, in my opinion. the very last hope for americans who are being dominated and suppressed by a corrupt american government that is not responsible to the will or needs of americans.
We are counting on you to do the right thing when the time comes.
Amen to this! The military can never be used to oppress their own citizens if the troops refuse to do it.
They will always do it. Why would anyone still be joining and serving this evil entity? And in the highest capacity? And then expect them to some reason disobey when they're briefed "take down these terrorists hooah?!". They'll do anything they're told.
Out of all the replies that I have taken the time to go through here? This is absolutely the most endearing and meaningful for all patriotic Americans and much like yourself sir I happen to be one of those!😊
I remember one time the air force barracks mess hall ran out of some ingredients, so we got regular gravy with our t-bones.
A well done, clear and precise presentation. Very interesting. And of course "je tire mon chapeau" (as they say here in France) to the men who passed these very demanding training courses.
Very good description of the training. We always said the hardest part of making a Ranger a Green Beret was teaching them to think. Luckily, I had already been DLI and learned a language before the Q Course.
Absolutely awesome presentation. Spot on. I did RGR School first and served in a RGR BN before going to Phase 1 or SFAS. Your graduation rates are quite accurate, I believe. I love your analogy of RGR is university and SF as grad school. I found RGR as much more physically demanding and SFQ as more mentally challenging. Thank you for this. RLTW and DOL!!
Actually it's harder to get into the salty splitoon cause you literally have to eat a bowl of nails
Without any milk
it's the no milk that really does you in
Lol y'all are hilarious.
Hahahaa
try Australina spec foces training makes seal training look like a fun run
What's Harder - Ranger School or the Special Forces Qualification Course?....Marriage!
Constantly tired and hungry. Fatherhood might have prepared me more than i thought.
Why do you think so many guys go to these schools...
LOL What's worse: constantly tired, constantly hungry, or constantly NAGGED.
I went through intense combat it Vietnam. Nagging was far worse. In the Nam if someone nagged you kicked the crap out of him, and he learned to shut his trap. In the World, you have to listen to that crap from her night and day, and NEVER fight back. I had only one argument when I was married. Problem is, it lasted all four years. It was like living with an oversized Chihuahua.
Mark Gossett: Marriage in itself is a war of attrition. I love my wife, don't get me wrong, but she's the enemy and I will not lose to the her. Who can outlast who. Sounds like you had a great marriage, sir. lol
Excellent vid and spot on pointing out the differences. I went through Ranger School back in '85. It was 4 phases back then that included a desert phase after mountain and before Florida Phase. Another difference was we were given three MRE's for every two days, so basically 1.5 MRE's per day instead of two. I remember a guy would eat all his meals at once. I asked why and he said, I just want to feel full, even if it is just once every two days. I also remember kicking over every can of old C-Rat we came across...found more than one pound cake or peanut butter that some poor Ranger had lost in years gone by...it was like winning the lottery.
Flying Dutchman you are a good story teller lol
Thanks Bnks...here is another one...So at Ranger School we were on night ambush and my Ranger buddy and I were far side security. Well by the time the ambush was set up we were way away from the kill zone. We laid there and heard the ambush go off and we are waiting for the signal to fall back to the ORP. Next thing I know, we hear a noise behind us...we say...who's there? Then the guy yells out loud "Here they are!" We are like dude shut up and he says..."man we been looking for you guys for a hour!!" We had fallen asleep and didn't even know it. The Range Instructor comes up says "Where are those two cocksuckers??"...man they had us doing possum pushups every time we stopped for the next two days. We both got a major minus for that one...but I would still swear we didn't fall asleep and they made the whole thing up. haha
awesome-ness!!!
@@flyingdutchman7585 lol 4-80 here.
@@VanceLeeMusic damn...and I thought I was old... 👍👍
Well my university was Tigerland..at Fort Polk LA...
My grad school was Vietnam....🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Extremely educational & GRATEFUL TO ALL OUR MIL MEMBERS, YOU ALL ARE APPRECIATED BY MANY. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SACRIFICES.
I support the tough standards set by our military. It has become a standard for excellence. Strive on young people! Great training produces great leaders, and entrepreneurs.
That’s why snowflakes need lowered standards because they’re too weak to pass REAL military standards.
Wow I got more respect now that I watched this, I’m impressed with the skill ad dedicated spirt of a Ranger and Special forces, everyone should show support for the dedicated people who serve and did serve their country!
Just fyi (this should impress you even more), neither of these schools actually make you a ranger or green beret. The rangers have RASP and the berets have SFAS to go thru as well. I'm not sure about Qcourse, but Ranger School is actually a leadership class that is available to everyone in the army (getting a slot is hard though)
If I was young again I would definitely take your route. As it is, I'm retired and love the video's that your produce. Great information.
I hope to achieve both the titles of Army Ranger and Green Beret, it really must be one helluva of an honor to say "I made it" after receiving your long tab, airborne, SCUBA, etc. More than twenty years planned, so much to do.
Hardest part is coming home to find out your wife has been boning your best mate an accountant.
@Joey Snow1 Some sort of acronym for the act of crying yourself to sleep at night dealing with your PTSD while checking to see if your ex wife has responded to the 30th text you sent?
You pussies haven't ever had a woman... pick your butthole up off the bathroom floor in the gay bar and move along.
@@doctordemento965 I'm not mad, im not mad, I insist as I slowly shrink into a corn cob.
The Army never issued you a woman. Suck it up buttercup.
Rule one. Never, ever, trust your best friend with your lady. He will bash her doors in right under your nose.
Well thought and executed information video.
To be completely honest, I failed selection twice, and major minused in Ranger School the very last class that had a "Desert Phase". These three failures haunted me my entire career. There is something very special or unique that some men have, that separates them. Lots of people say it's a will to "win" or "never giving up". But I swear it's not that simple. I am no quitter, and I have an insatiable will to win. Perhaps there is a little "luck" or divine intervention at play.
Men who bear those Tabs have that special divine spark. And I am thankful for that. God Bless the men that have it, and I pray, they are always on my side.
God Speed! Molon Labe.
ATW!
TNGN!
If it was easy everyone would wear Ranger tabs SF tabs Seal tridents. You deserve mad respect for trying bro.
It's not muscles or brains it's HEART, 1970 RANGER grad
@@karlalbright2733
I didn't say anything about "brains"...though remembering how to prep and brief a five paragraph OPORD on zero chow, muscle failure, and 40 days of Zombification takes "something".
Godspeed and Blessings
Define harder… physically? mentally? Academically? intellectually?
Look at it like this: it takes 62 days to pass Ranger school. It takes 1-2.5 years to pass SFQC with enough credits to receive an associate’s degree to damn near an PA certification. 🤷🏻♂️
THANK YOU FOR SHARING.....ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE CAN SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS
SALUTE !!!!!
All I know is It's more than fifty years since I did the British Royal Marines Commando course, and I still have nightmares about it.
Much respect, and much tougher
This is a pretty solid breakdown. For those not familiar with the community, Ranger School and 75th Ranger Battalions are not the same thing. In Ranger Battalion, if you're in one of the combat MOSs, you must first undergo RASP, then about a year of on-the-job training as a pvt (which is essentially a continuation of selection but more relaxed), then Ranger School. This video is from a GB who went to Ranger School; he didn't go through RASP and Ranger School as required to be a leader in the Special Operations 75th. He wouldn't have had an issue if he would have tried, I'm certain. 75th Rangers are considered "Real Rangers" while Ranger school grads, who sometimes like to call themselves Rangers, which is fine, are referred to as "Ranger Qualified." Lastly, GBs have 100% failed/quit Ranger School, but it’s very very uncommon.
I am pretty sure if you went through Ranger School and didn't make it into any of the bats, Matt Best will come out of the shadows and choke you.
wormjames1 yea. The 75ths battalions only (1st, 2nd, 3rd and STS). Not the RTBs.
Charles thought it was 4? The HQ battalion?
Jordan there are 3 battalions and STS. Then you have the HQ which isn’t really considered a Battalion. Then there are the training battalions (4th, 5th and 6th) that are NOT a part of the 75th. Hope that makes sense
Sense enough. I just work on bombs and missiles. Hope yall never have to call.
First off good video, however in the last bit you talk about the Special Forces Instructor taping a laser pointer to check out the grazing fire on your KZ. You considered this to be a key factor in differentiating the difference between Ranger School and Special Forces School. I happen to know that a similar thing happened to me during Ranger School.
Back in day, we had four phases with the last phase being Desert Phase conducted in the Dugway Proving Ground. We were conducting either a live fire ambush or raid, can't remember which as it has been a while. My Ranger Buddy and I were on the M60 with tripod set up in a cut off position, I was the number one on the gun. I had pick a location I thought was good for the M60; we were on a ridge covering down a valley with a road running down the middle of it leading to our position. We had to be able to neutralize anything coming down that road.
While we were waiting, the "student" patrol sergeant came by and said we had to move the MG as we couldn't cover the road from our current position. I told him we were fine and that I could absolutely cover the road from our current location. It was then I heard a voice from behind me, "Ranger, are you positive you can cover the road?". I turned around and it was the course captain sitting on a big rock right behind me (sneaky devil). I told him we could, and he said "Prove it". I was like "excuse me?". He said it again "Prove it, fire your weapon".
So I double check my line of fire, and told my number two to load. I opened the feed tray and he slapped the belt into the gun. I yelled out "Firing" and my number two repeated it back, and I let rip about a five round burst. The rounds landed just shy of where I wanted them. I added some elevation, and repeated the firing command and let a 10 burst go. I had a beautiful cone of fire right down the middle of the road. I turned around to the captain, and said "On!". He turned to the patrol sergeant and informed him that the MG was good where it was and that he could carry on.
My Ranger Buddy and I had a good laugh over that, but we proved our point. So I guess it didn't just happen during Special Forces School.
Congrats by the way on completing both, no easy task.
Cheers
I was there in 2002 when that Cop shot a candidate, I used to be a role player for Robin Sage when I worked at Bragg, you guys sure had it tough.
Thank you for this! It was always my suspicion that Ranger School is way more "suck" in the traditional infantry way that simply requires sticking it out, and that SF Qualification was difficult but also more "are you right for this". The difference in time alone is pretty significant.
But holy cow, I didn't realize selection alone was 6 weeks. That's nuts.
It's not. It's only 3 weeks.
Those days of playing soldier is long gone. I am just pleased to had been an Infantry Marine, USMC. Nothing fancy, but got the job done.
People don't realize how physically, mentally, and emotionally demanding that job is. I think it's more physically demanding to be a Marine Infantryman than to be an NFL football player or any type of athlete for that matter. I've certainly known some FREAKISH beasts who were Marine infantrymen. Not to mention the sacrifices Marines make being away from home and the pain of losing close friends. My sincerest and humblest gratitude and respect goes off to you, man.
@@Rigotto90 I was Army Infantry and man that shit could be brutle bro.
@@THATGUY-ir4ie I believe it man, hats off to you as well
@@THATGUY-ir4ie they should've taught you how to spell.
Christopher Gotto army infantry and marine infantry is basically the same thing . Dont let the marine title make it seem like a difference lol both drain you and both are highly physically demanding and emotionally demanding . Its not for everyone most people go in and think they can do it and most can because its more mental then physical but you will not come out the same as you were when you first went in .
Christopher, this is just awesome.....well done. Iliked the moment where You stated : "I have to point out I went to Ranger School after I went to the 'Q-Course'.... it was a Distinct advantage. The "Q" ensures One simple Concept - "EMBRACE THE SUCK".....it is so Simple.
Great explanation.
Thank you for your service.
God bless
First off ... Thank you and insane others like you, for your service.
Now on with my story. My parents divorced back in 1963. My dad was a route salesman for Anheuser-Busch ... worked very hard (I know, as I worked with him a few times), and he made very little money. So when our one household became two, our quality of life which was not that great to start with, was cut in half. At 16 and 17, I played in a band with my older brother and ran on my HS varsity track team. The band required late night weekends with a load out from the house, load in at the job (often, at Mayport Naval Station), set up, four hours of playing, break down, load out of the venue, and load back into the house dependent on circumstances. Heavy amplifiers, hard work. Did that for 35 years in a variety of bands, Florida cities and circumstances, often while working 52 hours a week and attending university classes.
High school track practice was a real joy! One-and-a-half-to-two hours every weekday. We would start with (yards, back then) (six) 220's or (12) 100 yard dashes ... fast as we could go. Then we would move on to 440's, 660's and 880's. Then I would move to my specialty, 110 high hurdles, high jump, and what we called back then, "broad" jump. Then finish with 25 round trippers up and down the bleachers ... All done in the Florida heat and humidity and without a molecule of water. The coaches actually removed the wheels off of all the outdoor spigots. Back then, water was an enemy ...
After track practice, I would walk, around a mile home from an un-air conditioned school to an un-air conditioned house, and a bowl of soup and a sandwich every night for supper. The best meal I got all day, every day, was the $.35 hot plate lunch prepared at duPont Jr-Sr High School. And I was darn glad for it. In the middle of my senior year, I decided I was literally running a calorie deficit, and quit the track team out of pure practicality ... The band job paid, and I could eat more ... the track job didn't. I literally could no longer afford to do both. I graduated high school at 17 years of age and 6'2 and 145 pounds.
These days, thanks to all those carried amplifiers and all the other physicality a man has to enter into across his life (six years of A-Fib), I can barely walk thanks to eight years of L4/L5 Foraminal Stenosis (complete with a near worthless surgery at year four). But the work goes on. I just finished vacuuming a 1600 square foot house at age 72 in more pain than should be allowed by law. So, from one who has done, I offer my sincere thanks to you for all that you have done and the sacrifices you have made. In my life's endeavors, at least most of the time I have had more food than you had in your training, and a bit more sleep. God bless the United States of America and the world's greatest military ...
Those who pass either course on their own are the elite of the elite. Soldiers with both tabs are the elite of the elite of the elite. Incredible stuff. Rangers are tough, disciplined and strong. SF operators are strong, tough and resourceful.
Dude, you're a badass. Congrats.
I'm a former 11B and I went to the French Commando school and German Winter War School, but nothing as hard a Ranger School. Oh, and I was 1 of 4 guys picked to be a BOT which was a few months of training in the winter time in Germany (very cold).
Ran 8 miles every day for 18 months before SF Officer Course. Gen Mike Healy handed me my diploma. It was worth it. A 2 5. 1975.
Thats my plan I'm going airborne since I'm not 21 yet and going to train hard until I can go to selection
I went through both in the 80s and eventually had to come back to Bragg to be a cadre at SFAS. I would say that physically they're the same but academically the SFQC is a lot more difficult depending on the MOS you are going for. Both courses though require the student to be mentally together or you're doomed. just don't quit! When I become the NCOIC of SFAS One of the hardest things I would have to do was to involuntarily withdrawal a candidate because they were hurt physically and couldn't keep up with the rest of the training team.
Thank you for your hard work and sacrifice for freedom and liberty! All of you are greatly appreciated!!! You are the best and you make America proud!!!
Haha the ranger food intake part proves that eating less and exercising more works to lose weight
Its common sense
Yea, that’s just what a caloric deficit does?
Did you question this?
Thank you for giving 100% and then some... I hope to get there some day.
Just hearing what kind of school/course they are already makes me feel tired... Bravo for all those passed the school/course!
Congratulations and thank you for your service.
Listening to all this really helped me remember how unfit I am and how I’d die before I’d make it to the steps of both schools, but I mean good luck to everyone else
Everyone can be in the military if you have guts and heart
Jeffrey Pokotilov not mean lmao I had spine surgery and I’ve got asthma Ik they won’t let me in
A Soldier who has earned both The Long( SPECIAL FORCES) and Short ( RANGER) Tabs has no less than 💯+10% love, honor, and respect from Me. He is most definitely of The Soldier Elite, and I Thank him for his Military Service. Hooah 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪 🤘💥💀!!
💯💯
put it back in your pants, kid!
No less than 100% respect from me.
John Rodriguez I agree with you and I was a Marine for sixteen years, these guys go through hell much respect for a United States Marine ! GySgt Bray....
What about infantry or Calvary or marines?
6 week tryout? That’s almost as long as ranger school.
Not lying lol
But not as physically intense
I just found a photo of me at 2/75 RIP sewing cat eyes on the back of my patrol cap at 2am using dental floss...if it was not done correctly you did not eat that day. Even in RIP the sleep and food deprivation was a factor.
In my selection class, ruck weights had to be 65lb without water, with many weigh stations along all the individual ruck movements, as well as during Team Week. Each scale registered differently, so you had to test all the scales to find the worst case scale so you would not be an honor code violation. My ruck normally weighed 85lbs with the 2 x 2 Qts attached to it, which I placed up high, re-sewed the 2 QT cover D-ring tape tabs onto for optimal load stability, with the 550 closure for the main compartment routed through the D-rings, sucking the covers up tight against the ruck.
I was going to offer some more tips that I used, but people need to figure out solutions for themselves and not be spoon-fed. When I walked into the final point during the Star Land Nav exam in Phase I before SUTs, there was a huge pile of NO-GOs with Ranger tabs, all NCOs who were mostly really good dudes. They all had to re-take Star and either pass, or get the boot before even starting survival and SUTs.
Big thing I've noticed is that guys who did SF SUTs vs Ranger School is that SF SUTs helps you actually remember what you learned about the specifics of patrolling, who goes where and with whom, when, with what weapons & equipment. The only others I knew in the Army that knew their patrolling as well were former RIs.
What we did in SUTs in the Q really should be bare bones Infantry OSUT curriculum. There was nothing special about it, just very good execution of the basics run by a mostly professional cadre. Foreign soldiers from NATO countries and even some African ones expected a lot more out of the Q Course, and described much more battle-focused training in their basic infantry courses, with more advanced training in their commando or airborne courses in their home nations.
British Paras, for example, have a much better initial training program for just getting into Para Regiment, whereas Army Airborne School is completely lacking in anything even closely resembling tactics or patrolling. Because the Army starts with such a low, almost non-existent standard for Initial Entry Training, MOS training, OSUT, NCO Professional Development, and all of its TRADOC schools, SF is given very low-rate material to work with in most cases, outside of guys from Ranger Regiment, LRS, an exceptional Infantry, or Combat Arms Background filled with a lot of deployment and focused training experiences.
The leadership culture of the Army was almost completely void of men who were actual warriors, professionals, and seekers of excellence. This is a general condition inherited from society as a whole, which comes down to eroded families and public schooling.
I think there is value from Ranger School in that it breaks people down, while still requiring them to make leadership decisions when sleep and calorie-deprived under simulated combat conditions. It builds a lot of confidence in dismounted small unit leaders as intended, however retention of technical patrolling skill sets are lacking for those reasons. Those who have gone SF before going to suck school are far better prepared to work as strong students that will help the others remember who goes out with the PL on his recon, who to take when setting up the SBF so you don't violate basic principles of patrolling, how to set in your security elements, all the planning and TLPs, etc.
On the regular side, they really need a formal SUTs course to be mandatory throughout Initial Entry, AIT, NCOPD, and officer development aside from a single course with Ranger School, where dismounted infantry and combat arms operations are continually honed throughout one's profession, no matter how short or long that is. It would be worth considering for units to go through it together, and knock out their ARTEP as well on a normal cycle.
It's a school as you say. 65 to 85lbs is much at all for schoolschildren.
Our Marines start at 100lbs and then they can add all their gear and weapons to that.
These days with the US military deploying Xboxcontrollers the worst thing that may happen is sprain your thumbs ... I think. :D
Jake4595 Rangers are special forces 1 of the best in the world u fucking jackass's!
Michel Platteeuw you're full of bullshit.
Army "leadership" is a bunch of bureaucrats who know how to work the system. Most true leaders are run out by the spotlighters, TRADOC commandos and half-assed pedants. Also, the "up or out" policy guarantees that nobody holds any position long enough to actually get good at it. It's bad enough when some staffer gets rotated out during a deployment but I saw one platoon have both their PL and PSG rotated during a single deployment. That sort of thing happens all the time.
The US Army is in BIG trouble when WW3 kicks off.
Thank you very much for such a good quality informative video.
I went through in 79, it was a bit different then. The RI"s were still free to "abuse" us quite a bit. I incurred the wrath of "killer Conrad" and lived it every single day of RIP
This is the best video I have ever seen for this question. Logical, concise, direct explanation. Thank you.
Thank you Mr.Jon
When I was in the boy scouts, we went on patrol, we were armed to the teeth, we carried a Snickers bar, some chewing gum we snuck a can of cola, we had our trusty pocket knife, that had utinsels attached, and rope just in case we had to make a square knot, and we found the camp of our objectives, and we quietly worked our way down, and we attacked, we took no prisoners, boy those girlscouts, gave up without a fight, some of us scouts, were kissed to death, those were the lucky ones, a merit badge were handed out to the bravest, amung us, for braving the elements, we will attack again tomorrow,
Ranger School. Short and intense. SF school. Intense at first then slacked off for specialized training. SF school's much longer.
True Story about GB's. They used to garrison GB teams around military bases where they kept the chem weapon stockpile. High security was maintained, and the GB's would probe the base security. I used to go, to calibrate sensors, in these areas, just in case they get a leaker, these sensors would warn the base, and data from our towers would be fed into real time weather models that were always modelling a catastrophic bunker detonation. So, we would drive off the chem protected areas for lunch, and to have a smoke in a safe place, as the weapons storage is obviously a "no smoking" environment. One day, after we had eaten, I asked the guy I was with if he had a light, and 3 feet from our truck, a GB in full camo said "Sure." He and his team had been able to sneak up on us, and maintain within 6 feet of our vehicle, without us seeing them. They worked the shadows, changed their shape with natural vegetation. I won't talk too much about what else they did/used, but they are truly masters of camo.
They had a huge laugh on us, and I can't tell you the adrenaline rush that it caused to know there were 6 guys suddenly next to us. Almost time for an underwear change. We were doing nothing wrong, but just the fact that they could sneak up on us, without our noticing it, is simply stunning. You could tell it made their day that they could catch us off-guard, so to speak.
What are GBs if i may ask?
@@Robin...222 Green berets, or as some like to call them super friends (SF).
@@justsomenerd8925 thanks!
I've been to Ranger school in SF School enjoyed every minute you have a great video
I leave on April 1st to OSUT with 18X Special Forces recruit on my contract. Nervous, but more than anything, just excited for a new start
Keep your mindset that you refuse to give up Brother. Focus on what makes you happiest... family children your country. Do whatever it takes and don’t give up.
@@VikingWolf84 I've already put it in my head that I'll die before I quit. I'm 23, a little overweight. Some guys will out physique me, definitely out run me in the beginning. But I won't let anyone out-fight me.
Do you have any prior military service? Id love to give sf a shot
how did it go?
@@SilentColdxx he died
My Step-son just completed Special Forces Qualification course (he passed) he completed Ranger School about five years ago. I asked him last month which was harder, no hesitation he said SFQ was much harder
Did he say why it was harder?
@@sinkbuddy5286 Maybe because it was at least 18 months and then never really ends as you train and go to many different school like Ranger school, HALO school, Scuba School. The hardest thing I ever did in the army was learn morse code and then in SF faster sending and receiving morse code. It just never ends. Rangers are like grad students while a fully qualified GB is a PHD in warfare. Ranger school lasts weeks as opposed to SF schools that can take years.
@@richardtknees Truly,you never quit learning. Former 11f4s.
Richard B ranger school doesn't make you a ranger
@@ViktoriousDead You got a turd in your pocket or a burr up your ass?
I cant imagine what the feeling is like to finish the course and being accepted into this brotherhood. I should have did it.
Thanks for this informative distinction. Much respect to SF guys and you sir, for passing both. True warriors. I have three Green Berets in the family. Including my father, a Bronze Star with ‘V’ Device recipient, two Air Medals and two Army Commendation Medals with 3rd Group in ‘Nam ‘68-‘70. Kinda wish I would’ve joined and put myself through hell. To me, this kind of stuff looks exhaustingly fun.
I went to the "Q" Course in 1981 and Ranger school in 1986, and while I know the schools have changed over the years the basic goals of the two schools were the same then as now. I completely agree. The "Q" course was harder than Ranger school. I say that although I started Ranger school with 2 other men from 5th SFGA and I was the only one that graduated. Stuff happens. Oh, and I want to comment on the comment below from BASSically a God - I saw Howard the Duck in full living color in Ranger school. Another thing, while SERE school was not part of the "Q" course in 1981, we had survival training, I lost a whole lot more weight in SERE school when I went than I did in Ranger school. Finally, you got it wrong, it's "Rangers Lead the Way after Special Forces sets up the Drop Zone." Great Video.
I saw all I wanted in Recondo school at Fort Bragg. We lost about 50 people out of 70. When I graduated I said to myself, why am I putting myself through so much crap, oh yeah, because I’m AIRBORNE!😎
I remember hearing a guy from Delta saying ranger kicked his ass more, they threw their bags on a truck and told them to go after em, which was miles and miles away.
That's John McPhee. The video is here on RUclips somewhere.
Very informative ... I would "wash out" real quick except for any aquatic test that I would have to do. Thank you for the video.
How many RUclips videos do I need to watch until I get my tabs? 🤔
Depends on the average length of the youtube videos and what you're doing during that time. If you're conducting drills, studying standards and creeds and languages, while carrying a hundred pound ruck on a treadmill with no sleep or food for days on end while watching the videos, you're a serious fucking candidate, haha.
Harry Kuheim you know he's not President anymore, right? Homophobe.
like file tabs? what are you a secretary? ; )
Going through infantry (11B myself) bootcamp at Ft. Benning way back, the Drill Sgts. call the tripple tabs (i.e. Special Forces, Ranger and Airborne tabs in descending order) the Tower of Power. Many of them had all three along with other certifications. The story they would tell us...when we weren't doing PT for some shit one of us did.
My Father's Drill Instructors were all Korean War vets. Respect to the older generations, too!
Yeah most DS at benning are combat vets . I met some pretty bad mfers at benning . Best training of my life was at benning i went for just a simple 11B as well .
I'm gonna call bullshit on you right now.
Due to the fact that the SF community is as small as it is, Special Forces command would not let that many people B-billet outside of the community for that long.
The Airborne tab is not an award, its part of the unit patch of assignment. The Airborne award is a set of Silver wings on your test, with orders in hand, along with Jump Pay and cold beer.
Nothing is harder than JROTC.
@@draftghost20 I think you missed the joke
@WhoDarestheMAN gamer again you missed the joke
@WhoDarestheMAN gamer JROTC is pretty much the US equalling of UK army cadets. The guy here was making a satire joke, he's not being serious. It's funny because many members of the JROTC act like they're actually in the army so he's imitating what one of them might say which is that it's very hard when infact it is very easy.
Lmao what a meme
@@flapajack3215 JROTC was nothing. They gave u a bare minimum taste of army life and I mean bare minimum. Enjoyed the experience but I tell people quick it is just a High School program
Best comparison breakdown of the two I've ever heard. Thank you!
You guys were “HAMMERED” when you rucked into Robin Sage.
As you know we acted up at RS; one Pinelander shot off a flare at like 1am to give away our position. About 30-40 mins later we had a giant forest fire. We all learned basic fire fighting on the spot. Took about 30 of us until sunrise to put it out. Terrible lol
I'm sure Marine Recon are better
No one is better than anyone else
Totally different operations
Totally different objectives
My husband was Airborne Ranger and 10th Group SFA and Pathfinder. He did break his ankle during the " Q" course but finished. He says they were BOTH hard. The hunger during Ranger school was tough.
You KNOW that anyt training that includes "Florida" somewhere is going to be hell!
I did all three Disney Parks in one day, it was horrible.
That's the place where people eat other peoples faces.
This was an amazing video and I really appreciate the level of detail for the SF course.