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Add An M.2 SSD To The Raspberry Pi 4 - GeekPi X862 M.2 Adapter Review
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2020
- In this video, we take a look at the GeekPi/GeekWorm Raspberry Pi 4 X862 M.2 NGFF SATA SSD adapter board.
This will allow you to easily add an m.2 SSD to your Raspberry Pi 4 This works with Berry Boot so you can run the whole raspberry pi 4 operating system from the SSD so you can achieve faster app loading, File transfer and boot times!
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The guy from explaining computers made something like this with parts available to him. I think this is what he wanted
I was just thinking that
I was thinking the same thing. I think it's harder for him to get parts like this since he isn't in the US and with shipping as crazy as it is right now.
Ha ha I just sent the link to this video to his video on this saying exactly the same thing
Same. He spent a lot of time trying to jury rig what this adapter accomplished
We all watch the same channels haha
if only someone would create a fan-less aluminium case that fits all this inside.
You don't have an 3D printer ? It's 2020 ! Make it yourself !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 aluminium case
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 can you 3D print with aluminum?
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 a 3d printer is a pretty expensive ordeal if you dont use it often enough to justify to cost. not everyone has enough money to just go out and buy one.
Geekworm do a case and a top hat with fan and power switch which supports this board too. So it all fits into a nice small unit. They are selling everything on Amazon.
ETA - You really gotta stop saying "M.2 SSD". It's either M.2 SATA or M.2 PCI-E (Also known as NVME)
This is a - VERY - important distinction as this adaptor will NOT run NVME's at all, and people can buy the wrong SSDs. M.2 is just the form factor they use (the socket), SATA and PCI-E are very different.
This message should be pinned. I though that this is NVME compatible and hence is actually complete waste. Well I think it still is, but anyway.
Ty I kept asking this through the whole video until the close-up of the label said SATA III so that's when I knew which one.
@@satrrap what's the point of using an NVME drive on a raspberry pi, this adapter interfaces through USB 3.0, that's 5GBits/Second, that's not even enough to saturate the SATA III speeds.
@@satrrap yeah, that's reasonable
Would you say NVMe is better than SATA, I see that the write speeds are better but does that really matter for someone who is going to be using it the way it's demonstrated here?
Now all that's left is to get a casing for that raspberry pi 4 setup.
Great view as ever! You should totally check this out with the Windows arm build for raspberry pi.
Would like to see that 👍
Lol just realized I typed view instead of video sorry ETA 🤣
I used the previous iteration of this board with my two pi 3b’s and they’ve worked flawlessly for a year now. Oh, and mine are powered by the PoE hat, to boot.
I know you thank us for watching, but I want to say thank you for putting in the hard work making such awesome videos!
This video is a failure. That board its a non-sense. Does not have its own power input. Its wrong to drain power from your raspberry.
@@FRESNEL_COOKING_SOLAR_OVENS24 this board doesn’t need a separate power adapter as the USB 3 port it’s plugged into is enough.
@@thegamerboy1000 thats the problem. It takes power from raspberry. That's the thing I hate. I want to power everything individually, which is safer. I want every board and hat with its own power.
@@FRESNEL_COOKING_SOLAR_OVENS24 whatever man you do you but this hat won’t even affect the pi4 performance wise as it simply draws very little power since it only runs a ssd on it. You can power and run ssd’s with a simple SATA III connector to USB 3 and it’ll run as long as the port can provide the necessary voltage for it, in this case I think it’s only like 5V or something to power a SATA ssd which isn’t a lot.
Can you do a video showing us gaming performance with RetroPie on this M.2 adapter?
It doesnt affect the performance i thing
Won't make any or little improvement. Maybe just everything load a bit faster.
Reiterate what others have said. It'll improve load times. Once in-game, performance will be identical.
Disregard all the above, performance will be better, even in game, there will be less stuttering. You can actually watch the opposite, trying gaming with an sd card on a regular computer and compare it to normal ssd powered gaming computers.
@@pali3329 - You are explaining cache-ing. Some games continue to load content into RAM after you start playing. Once a game is done cache-ing, it runs fine.
If a game has load screens, those breaks in the game will be shorter with faster storage.
One thing that could come in the RPi5: emmc module for interchangeable flash memory. Then they would sell the modules separately. Just like Rock Pi.
or Pine64
microSD express would allow support of the NVME protocol - that seems like it would be a good enough solution, once the Pi 5 rolls around?
@@liamness it can be a solution too. But maybe it's more expensive
@@aderbalnunesm Probably just a different controller for the sd card. An emmc module would be a whole extra component, which would certainly add extra expense.
I don't know about that. eMMC's are piss poor devices to begin with. I'd rather have those GPIO's extended than have option for such a poor media. USB imo is good solution for storage. Though I'd like to see one port aligned above the board to use some small nano devices that wouldn't be able to yank out from cases when it's in use.
Oh man, send this to Explaining Computers Stat!!!!!
You need to do some of that rasPI game testing with this build.
You know you want to.
Good vid.
Neat. All-be-it expensive solution. They also have some for USB 3.0 -> SATA for 2.5" drives, but I couldn't justify that when you could buy a cable and jerry rig something for < $10.
That being said, it's good to have the option for nicer looking things in this space.
Any advantage to doing this instead of just a regular 2.5" ssd to usb adapter ? Besides this being a little neater?
It really come down to keeping it neatly packaged.
Absolutely not. Performance is actually really, really bad. Stick to sata drive always when possible.
@@adventureoflinkmk2 yeah i think he's looking for that C shaped USB3 adapter that goes underneath the board
@Beyondesp I have just that, an SSD of 2TB connected with a Sata to USB3 adapter. `hdparm -t /dev/sda` returns 242.86 MB/sec. I'm happy.
The only advantage I can see is being neater. This is much slower than just plugging a ssd into the usb 3 port. I use an old 2.5" ssd connected straight to the usb 3 and my speeds are sequential: 251095, random write: 19366, and random speed of 9266.
Question: Is the adapter usb only mode or does it go as UAS (USB Attached SCSI)? There is a big diffrence in speed as i have heard.
I thought Geekworm quit selling these since the speed of the M.2 drive was wasted on the USB 3 interface? For all practical purposes, the X825-C6 SATA shield kit with the case and power supply is a better deal. Just got one last week and it works fantastic! Coupled with a 1 TB. Crucial SSD, it boots and runs extremely fast, and no more worries about glitchy micro-SD cards. 28 bucks and change for the kit and $99 for the 1 TB. SSD. That plus $61 for a RPi 4B 4 gb., and you have a cheap fast computer for around $200 (provided you have a spare monitor or 2 and a keyboard and mouse lying around, like I do)😁
Oh, perfect timing, I've been looking for something like this for the last few days! Now if only I could find a case to fit all this into...
Would actually love if the pi foundation released a pi built into a keyboard case with hard drive and m.2 support. So it's a proper all in one machine like the machines it copied.
They have! Pi 400
@@skinshowcase7998 thank you. I actually said this pre pi400 release. They obviously read my comment 🤣
Thanks for your video's. Especially WOR videos. I'm new to the PI world, and will be attempting to run windows from my new PI 4 when it arrives.
That adapter and a icecooler and a 8gb pi4b would make a livable budget desktop
im using this setup with the geekworm case for my minecraft server. it’s awesome.
Very nice. There seem to be quite a few add ons or cases now for an M.2. The Argon seems to be the best imo as shown on explaining computers
Good review. I have to watch your reviews a few times cos you talk so fast and zip right thru everything in "record time"... 😅
But I enjoy them all. Never heard of BerryBoot before... Thanx
Another great video ETA! I have found that an external case for a SSD/M.2 does work a little better because i can plug into another device for fast backups. This is one area that the Pi World could improve on unless I'm missing something, which is probably the case lol..
Same day as posted and Amazon ways M.2 board "Currently Unavailable" WTF?!?
Go Lazada - they have B slot and NVMe M slot (x862and x872). The USB Connectors are dodgy so get a USB3 to USB 3 male to male lead - has never given me a problem
That's so cool that u can fire up an M.2 to the bottom of this puppy. I just last night finally got my LP Ice Tower from Seeed Studios after about 80-85 days in transit due to world events but something like this added to the bottom of my pi would be insane. Some of my friends laugh at me cuz i've got the Pi 4 as my daily driver while i save up to build a new PC after the one i had died after 18yrs.
That is till they found out i've got my "Mini Beast" OC to 2ghz CPU with a 750mhz on the GPU and i found an option in my config that lets u increase or decrease the allotted memory for the GPU so i bumped mine up from 64mb to 500mb for now but if i had the 8gb Pi4 then i'd see how a full GB or 2 will work. Sad when my Pi 4 has pretty much better performance then my $2K MS Surface 3 that only has a 1.6gb atom chip in it, 4gb of DDR3 and it's max at 128gb internal & external but the PI's only limit really is it's USB Chip.
The only thing keeping me from daily driving a pi instead of a PC is drive speeds. If they added a native way to utilize the lower latency and faster speeds of nvme (1000+ MB/s) I would use a pi all day.
Are you planning taking a look at the X872 version which supports nvme m.2 drives. Would be interesting to see the speed gains from using the nvme version.
The real game stopper from me on using Berry Boot is that it doesn’t support dual monitors on the raspberry pi
Excellent video, but i have always had issues with berry boot supporting a dual screen set up with my Pi 4
Thank you for an excellent video. Geekworm who make the m.2 ssd adaptor in your video, also make a neat fan cooled metal case with power switch to house the whole Raspberry pi 4 + m.2 ssd adapter assembly. Case is Geekworm Raspberry Pi X857. There are two flavours of m.2 ssd adaptor, X862 m.2 sata ssd and X872 M.2 NVMe SSD. Read & Write performance for both adaptors with be roughly than same, as USB3 data transfer speeds will be the limiting factor. I have just ordered a case, m.2 ssd adaptor and m.2 ssd for my 8GB Raspberry Pi 4.
Two questions. I have a project that will have up to 5 pi4b 4gb in a 19” rack mount chassis. These already have Poe top hats. Will this under hat work along with Poe hat? Can you provide any links for video showing pi4 Poe m.2?
Waiting for my parts to arrive, I just wish there was some cheap boxes to install it into
we can make very fast NAS with this thing
Perhaps for low latency yes, however the transfer speeds will be limited to the gigabit ethernet port, expect to see a maximum of 110~ MB/sec for transfers.
(This is comparable to a 7200 RPM SATA drive)
ExplainingComputers need to see this
I have your card in my Amazon cart. Question first. My project I will have 5 pi4b in a 5 bay hot swap rackmount case. The pi’s have Poe top hats. Will this work with the Poe? I need both. Thanks.
You can not use a Raspberry Pi touchscreen when using this board. The 180 degree connector uses the same usb3 connecor used for the screen. You have to use a connector that uses a different usb port.
you didnt link the eeprom flashing video like you insinuated with the berryboot video (1:50 - 2:13)
Any there any 2.5" SSD cases out there for the Pi4?
I just use a cheap USB3 to SATA adapter and a $17 SSD off Amazon. With the Argon One case it is still pretty neat as all the cables come out the back.
Good video!... The form factor is neat, it looks good on your desk and you could add the ICE TOWER on top for cool Overclocked Pi... but I've got almost double speed using an Inateck USB-SATA case with UASP support on a SSD. The same setup as Jeff Gerling's video.
They should have included 3.1 if they were going to keep USB A ports. You're still only getting 5GiB/s. They could not only increase that, but make a slimmer board if they had USB-C for everything
Nice addon to the Raspberry Pie .Maybe in the future they will have a faster way to connect SSD to the Pie.
This thing is really awesome 😍
@Jay Dee You better directly email ETA prime about your beast m2
You forgot to mention, how unreliable microsd cards are and how much more often writable an SSD is comparison.
Excuse my extreme ignorance, but why does it need to sit underneath? Couldn't it sit on top?
The adapter has two additional power supply ports (the barrel jack and the battery connector) - did you need to power one of these to get the SSD working, or did it draw enough power over USB3?
He said in the video if you're using a good power source for the RPi it will be able to draw enough power via USB to power the adapter & M.2 SSD.
@@Choralone422 Somehow I missed that. TYVM!
the twe additional power supply ports is only for some 2TB or more capacity SSDs, the power consumption is large and an external power supply is required
Now we need a flirk case for this
Great stuff. Just the solution I was looking for. Thanks
I'm thinking if i can use a m.2 to pcie adapter and connect a gpu. Is it possible?
Edit: sorry i didn't see that it's output is from usb so that it's not possiblr
even if it was running over pcie, finding drivers for the gpu would be a problem
Not possible, doesnt work over usb like that.
It's also not PCI but SATA*
It doesn't work like that, but a raspberry pi does have pcie internally. I think it's used for the usb and ethernet, but people have successfully taken of the chip and soldered wires on to let you use regular pcie cards. I don't think gpus are supported though, but that's just due to drivers. How many people would use them?
An egpu is everything left to add. Hope another adapter comes out.
I really wish that the next new model of "Raspberry Pi" would include a M.2 slot inbuilt, since its competition(?) "Rock Pi 4" already have a M.2 NVME slot (and i think its currently now possible to boot from it as well).
I am not really sure which one is better, "Raspberry Pi 4" or "Rock Pi 4" as far as performance is concerned, but if "Raspberry Pi" next new model with M.2 and 8GB is released, it would really have a bigger impact on its competition.
i want to run my pi from an ssd and can't figure out how and watched many videos on it.
1) Put a micro sd card into your Pi 4 with raspberry os. Power it up. Make sure everything is updated (eeprom, firmware, etc.).
2) Change boot priority to USB. Power it off.
3) Remove the micro sd card.
4) Connect the SSD to a computer via USB, and write the image you want to be running on your Pi 4 onto it. Once written, eject the SSD.
5) Connect the SSD to your Pi 4 via USB. Power it on.
Ooh... This looks like a great way to speed up NAS and/or mediaservers. Cache drive for NAS would speed up a lot.
I have my M.2 in a $12 USB 3.0 Adaptor on very short cord, and get around 450 r/w, i really like the board, but it will not fit in any case, pity
Performance isn't going to be better vs a decent SATA SSD drive. So that NIESPi 4 case with SATA adapter works really well (or any other SATA adapter for Pi).
Why not using usb flash for the OS instead of spending money on the pcb board with a m2? Just wonder
Would love to see NAS transfer speeds
whats the speed difference between a usb stick that is usb 3.1 and this m.2? why pay more for m.2 memory when the stick does the same thing...
Probably do this later with my PS1-pi project. Trying to see what it will cost me total to reproduce it to sell here locally.
That's the big problem with Raspebry Pi 4 - it wants to be a fully-fledged desktop replacement... with microSD card for system and no easy way to change it without plugging anything. No. 1 on my wishlist in future Raspberries is m.2 slot to connect a small-size m.2 hard drive. Hope it can be achieved while retaining a small device size.
Are there any tutorials on how to install a retro pie image on this set up?
Why not just use a USB 3.0 drive if it's going to be bottlenecked to USB 3.0 speeds anyway?
SSD boot advantage for a rpi system, certainly is some smart tech stuff.😉
So what if I have an ssd I can't plug into my pc but have a pi adapter, can I format the OS on the ssd from the pi itself?
I wonder if the effect is noticeable enough to justify the cost.
is adding m.2 will make the fps highee in object detection in Raspberry pi
Awesome!!! So hmm in that case can we just expand the memories on such devices like pi4 2gb ?
can this be mounted above the pi rather than under it? or do the standoffs not go far enough above the i.o. ports?
Stick an ice tower on top of that and your sorted right..?
Why do you need Berry Boot when the latest firmware allows USB booting?
7:26 you said increase boot time.. it you mean decrease boot time..
Great video, im just wondering if this will work with the ice tower cooler on it aswell? Thanks!
Would I be able to flash the M.2 with Retropie for an upgrade to emulation?
on a new system can all this be done at the beginning. or do i need to put raspian os on sd first
How dose compare to a standard SSD connected to a USB3 port via a USB 3 to SATA adaptor ?
I've been thinking about getting one of these, but now I'm not so sure. While the speeds are better than sd card, they're not the fastest. I recently got a USB 3.0 uasp sata adapter cable and I'm getting 292571 KB/s for sequential write speed, random write speed of 22850 IOPS, and random read speed of 17504 IOPS.
I am running another Pi 4 with a 240G Kingston 2.5 SSD - runs with a UAS compatible adapter and for Seq Writes i'm getting over 320,000 and randoms 4k of 75,000 and 67,000. Realistically the real rand speeds are 18900 and 16800 approx IOPS so for me is also a better option. Next week I will try a new 3rd Gen NVMe
@@alanwatson1867 can you share the links to the adapter and the ssd ?
you should add a ssd heatsync and use thermal tape
Please can you make a video tutorial on how to install OS on ssd m.2 without using sd cards thank you in advance.
what about a cheap SSD enclosure and then connect to raspberry (Not aesthetic; but things get done cost effectively)
I wonder if there could be a hardmod to connect an m.2 to those pcie lanes that were found in it. The you could get better R / W speeds and better general performance
I see your IOPS are pretty low for an SSD. (1500/500 are target IOPS for a class A1 microSD card) Does your kernel have UASP support (check lsusb -t, driver should be listed as "uas") ? That should increase your SSD random I/O speed significantly.
I try use X872 for m.2 but plug in win10 how can I detect and format?
while these products are great, it’s too bad that you are forced to pick between a clean assembly for an ssd or a nice case like an argon one with heat dissipation and cable layout. there’s always a tradeoff somewhere.
The problem I have is that with my m.2 enclosure and Samsung 950 pro 500gb the power draw is too much and the USB 3.0 of the Pi 4 cannot provide enough power to the drive.
256gb M.2 when I boot Raspberry Pi 4 M.2 does not detect what I can do to make M.2 boot Raspberry Pi 4 visible.
Would an Akasa GemPro case without the bottom plate fit nicely, perhaps after some minor Dremel adjustments?
Every time I try to copy/write OS image to SSD on Argon One M.2 , the Pi will halt and I must reboot Pi, Should I must to create bootable SSD outside the Pi ? Or M.2/Pi something wrong ?
Thank you gor this its very cool. Could you not get a fast USB drive though seems like it would cheaper and easier? How would a fast USB drive compare speed wise for boot and transfers?
Waahh. It booted to desktop in a mere 6 seconds!
Hey ETA prime, can you please check will this work with odroid n2?
What are you using to power this?
I've got the Official RasPi 3amp PSU and a 1Tb Crucial SSD, and can't get it working (Pi works okay, SSD doesn't work with the X862).
Hey ETA, have you seen the power management board or cases from geekworm? I've been toying with the idea of building a full pi4 desktop using their stuff.
Isn't there another way to connect that ssd using those pins rather than taking a USB 3.0 slot like the rock pi 4
La idea es de tener ranuras en la placa donde conectar estos periféricos, no usar los puertos USB que igual son pocos. Y esto está solucionado en RockPi 4c
You still need a case for that with proper fans installed.
Otherwise, this is pretty cool, especially now with the 8GB Pi4.
I just got this and the connector bridge for some reason interferes with my wireless keyboard. I have to stand a foot away for it too work. If I take it out everything works fine. Anyone had this issue and how did you solve it?
Will the increased write/read speeds on this setup make any positive performance increase if you're going to use the Pi as a low powered Plex/OpenMediaVault server?
Where do youbget the U shape usb adapter in the UK
What is the largest size SSD the raspberry Pi can handle? Is there a connector for full size SSD?
Will an Ice Tower still mount on the pi with this?