Common man, you’re sampling at 14.7kHz then being surprised when there’s no highs left after you pitch it down? You’ve already thrown away so much more of the high end sampling at 14.7kHz vs the MPCs 40kHz. If you’re trying to do a comparison you really should have used 44.1kHz to sample on the P-6.
Very interesting. I just bought a P6 2 days ago, and have an MPC2000 in storage, so was thinking about the same tests, but couldn't do them as I don't currently have access to the AKAI. I think it's incredible what Roland have squeezed into that tiny box for 200 bucks, but the MPC is a proper bit of pro gear and a timeless classic that will always be a useful instrument, for studio and live work.
To bring out the harmonics of a low sample rate on the P6, turn on the lofi button (like on the 404sx). BUT you can actually adjust the amount the lofi effect adds to the sample playback with Shift + Lofi (select lofi with the value knob and enter) you can back the lofi effect waaaaay back or crush it beyond recognition. You can get that mpc60 sound with that function for sure.
Lol what? You do realize that Ricky was using the P6 in a very narrow range to do as close of an A/B comparison to the MPC 60ii as possible, right? The P6 has a way WAY wider range of colorization for the samples put into it.
I mention it in the video, what im chasing is character. I'm not necessarily comparing the sample rate, more just the sound and if I like it :) It's basically comparing 2 different distortion units haha! Thanks for watching
@@RickyTinez you can get more character out of the P6 by turning on LOFI on the lower sample rate samples, and dialling it in (reducing it a bit), which brings back some highs and adds crunch / cosmic dust sparkle haha. I like to sample at 22 or 44 for stuff with lots of high frequency that you want to preserve, and use the filter to tweak it a bit, and the lower rates for bass lines, kicks etc that are more low frequency focused. The Sampletrak is still my favourite box for a vibe, but the P6 immediacy, chromatic sample playback, sequencer are really dope. The size makes it a travel everywhere box, and like you said, the microphone is dope. Thanks for the vid.
I was thinking the same. MPCs were always of the most highest quality sampling. P-6 can, or attempts to, replicate LoFi crunch of samplers like the SP1200, in addition to high quality 44.1KHz sampling. MPC aren’t really know for sound character because they sound so clean, which is ultimately a good thing.
@RickyTinez that’s fine, but then at 10:20 you’re directly comparing the high end between the two and of course the 14.7kHz sample is going to have a ton less high end. It’s a bit disingenuous and people are going to here that and think the P-6 is losing out to the MPC on that test, when it’s not an apples to apples comparison
I have a 60, love it so much, I really feel like it has no grit tho. It’s very, very clean compared even to my 16 bit S1000. Its just whatever it does to the low end, is incredible. I feel like it’s down to the DACs.
Nothing sounds like an MPC 60, they sound so damn good raw. Sometimes you don't even need any processing on it cuz it sounds so full. And yes, the samples in the MPC 60 are 12 bit and the DAC is 16 bit. So what you're hearing is 12 bit audio played back at 16 bit, which gives an ever so slightly different timbre. It doesn't magically add more resolution to the original file tho of course, all the characteristic "crunch" (or quantization noise) is still in the sample's waveform. But the 16 bit output stage supposedly smooths out the waveform just a little bit by reconstructing it at a higher resolution than the file was stored, so the playback of the actual data samples in the audio file have a little more vertical wiggle room sort of lol. It's subtle but I think that's part of what gives the 60 its sound, and i think it has a subtle EQ signature maybe at the input stage or something, and of course the preamp sounds dope Also in case you didn't know, recording at a higher pitch and pitching it back down an octave is effectively reducing the sample rate by half. So that's the sample rate workaround for a lot of akai samplers, and it has a different timbre than simply recording at a lower sample rate because the input filter cutoff freq is also reduced by half, along with some other artifacts that get pitched down at the input stage. It sounds pretty different than traditional sample rate redux like on the p6, but you can get some cool aliasing sounds with it sometimes
@@mjrisinsd6836 No, it's really sampling in at a lower sample rate. And because the sample rate resolution is lower, you can record for a longer time. Bitcrushing just applies an effect without altering the original file, but this is more like an old school sampler workflow
@@sona_rium depends. I have gotten clean but beefy sounds from the 60. You can't get that from the SP. The SP has only one sound. A fat hollow sound. I'd rather the 60
The P6 is able to do a lot. The functionality is its strength. However, the workflow can be tedious, and you can’t save projects. The circuit rhythm is much more straight forward in how much you can do but the workflow is heaven sent. I think it’s the most intuitive groove box out there as it pertains to workflow. super fun. plus you can save projects. Hope that helps.
it would be cool (and maybe too much work) to make a single drum pattern using both of these machines. So like one hi hat hit on the MPC and the next hi hat hit on the P6 and then back and forth. Same thing with the kick and snare. I have no idea why you would want to do that but it sounds fun LOL.
OK, I am a bit puzzled why you are surprised that when you lower the sample rate you lose the high end. That's pretty logical. The sample rate determines up to which frequency you can record music; any frequency above the Nyquist Frequency cannot be reproduced (but cause aliasing). The Nyquist frequency is - by definition - at 50% of the sample rate. So, that means, at 44.1kHz, the max frequency is 22.05kHz (which is above the max human range, therefore the standard for CDs etc). And at 11kHz, the max. frequency is 5.5kHz. Anything above gets lost; therefore no highend.
I am soooo close to getting another MPC for the 3.0 software haha, but im equally in-line for another MPC 1000. Right now I only have the 60ii and the 4000
Ricky, at 44.1 they sounded the same (at least through RUclips). If using the 44.1, the P-6 could substitute the MPC, not? with a little tweaking maybe? Tweaking: when lowering an octave of a lower sampled, it will lose more of everything, not only high end... but, hi end is more notorious because you are longing the wave.... so.... maybe EQ or, I don't know if the P-6 has it, add from a Noise generator...
maybe i'm not getting it fully but are you not filtering out frequencies at the source for the pitched down tests when using the source material to do that on the p-6 at 14.7? wouldn't you need the closest aequivalent to 40khz for the pitch-down test which would be the 44.1 on the p-6. then resample pitch up/donw? what the mpc does at ptiching down is super fascinating. it highlights freqhencies unexpectedly. the p-6 is just muffled (yet actually more towards what my ears would expect when downsampling).
P6 sounds pretty good but as a mk2 user i definitely feel its a stripped back version but with granular synthesis added to make it more worth it. Still seems tempting with built in mic. They sound kinda close but i think that mpc is so beefy, worth the racks
it's weird when new mpcs came out I could sense a lot of differences between sounds of them and mpc 60 in your videos but now it's like I hear a lot of similarity, the normal not distorted sound, sounds almost identical to my mpc one but the tripping part is why I have this feeling now but didn't had it before is it cause it's next to a completely another brand or do they just worked the sound through firmwares
Sample rate reduction has exactly the effect of loosing the high end. There's nothing we can do about it. It's the whole Nyquist/Shannon sampling theorem: max frequency you'll be able to reproduce is half your sampling rate.
Once you clip the 60 it's better... before it just sounds recessed... but if you just want to get the sound for way way less, you can get a s-900 or s-950
@@TrumpVirus-b2lall the elektron stuff sounds flat and hollow to me. I don’t know if it’s different for the OT, but digitakt and M:S totally stripped the punch out of my drum samples. Same samples sounded great in a 404sx or an MPC live with no fx.
@@doppelganger8659 yes it is different for the octatrack. Octa Mk2 is the best sampler to come out in 20 years...Nothing compares to the octatrack, and has its own unique sound very similar to legacy mpcs. Any well known artist who uses octatrack will swear by it as well. It's for professionals, and people who have been making beats for decades
Bizarre apples to oranges comparison, but still interesting to watch. The MPC has never been a “Lofi” machine - they’ve always sounded very polished, smooth and high Fidelity, which was the goal. I have never understood the myth that the 60 has “grit” (which is really just slang for aliasing) - it absolutely does not. It has a great sound nonetheless. A more accurate comparison would be something like the SP1200 to the P6’s lofi modes.
You are very wrong there about lo fi effect, 60 actually has two sample rates @ 12bit = native 40000 & 20000* kHz (with OS 3.10e and above - check the manual and actual machine buddy). You get 12 bit distortion and aliasing from non-linear* sample engine, it's very noticeable with 808 type a sine wave kicks; but you have to know how to sample, use this limitations, to get what you want from it.
@@djmilandoanything can be made “lower fi” by corrupting the process, overdriving the sampling inputs, etc. But the 60 is not an inherently lofi machine like the SP-1200 - it sounds smooth and clean.
@@andrewhorton5101 20000 kHz is not in the Hi Fi zone, so that's lo Fi - low fidelity; by pushing more treble on input you get more aliasing, due to a sample rate limitation. I suggest you to check real thing once, to experiment and hear results. In the resampled mode 60 IS Lo Fi sampler 101%.
Sorry if I missed it if you said so but where you mentioned you send the samples elsewhere for chopping and editing can you share where please? I’m considering the little Roland sampler but currently using Logic Pro on an iPad and wondering if there’s actually any point buying the Roland? Thanks.
Listening to this video.... as an Atari 8bit musician of the 90s. old days I heard the difrence between 2bit and 4bit samplers for my Atari 800XL computer. Good times. I had to program my own sample algoritms in machinelanguage, cut+paste and loop using my own ears... yep. those were the days. Might buy the P6 as an extra for my nice Roland Verselab MV-1 devil machine.
Man....Ricky needs to spend more time with the P6. Ricky start pitching, resampling and using that lofi button!!! You can get any amount of high-end dialed back in with it LOFI after you downsample. The drums knock on that thing. Love you Ricky...but youre perpetuating the old guard here!!!
hey Ricky.. I started your video . and 1 min into the test I think it's over already the Mpc bass is already heavier and fuller ... I immediately noticed that...
Bytes or Battery from Native Instruments is closest to old hardware imo. But the bit crusher on the MC-101/707/Roland Cloud will get you very close as well. I am guessing that’s what Roland put in that thing tbh. For a small hardware sampler I am sticking with the Microgranny because it has way longer sample times, and I am annoyed Roland does not disclose the bit rate on this box and will not allow me to load my own samples into Zenology software (have to load into MC101/707 or buy the P6).
I’d recommend anyone interested in this to up on Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem, basically you’ll get up to half of the sample rate frequency in frequency representation (so 5500hz at 11kHz sampling rate) before you get really ugly aliasing. This is why 44.1kHz was chosen as a sampling rate for many things dating back to Sony and compact discs back in 1979, because humans don’t generally hear above 20kHz - really more like 16k for most people, and the stuff up there isn’t musical anyway. Maybe people like the way it sounds, but bit-crushing has always sounded just bad to me. Tape and transformer saturation or tube overdrive with harmonics sound more natural IMO, but I get that sometimes that’s the point. It’s another tool for expression and it’s not like no hits were made using these techniques, just bugs me on a technical level.
the thing with the 60 and other vintage mpcs are is the seemed to glue the mix together in a way nothing else can expect sp1200 and eps16 asr10 these new samples just don't they sound amazing but they don't have that glued feel the vintage gear does even the modern mpcs don't have that sound the p9 is sick.but it doesn't hold a candle to the 60 or any mpc never get rid of the 60 as after hearing how good your stuff sounds on it you will always be chasing that sound with other gear I'm a modern mpc user my self I just wish they sounded as good as the old ones the vintage effects are dope but still not accurate I hope akai are able to repacate it properly one day ....
I got the Yamaha SU-10 the other day and after listening to this... I have a feeling that the P-6 lo-fi grades/modes are fake. Even at the lowest grade, 11.64Khz, with the system pitch all down to -20%, my SU-10 still retains the crispiness in the high frequencies although extra crunchy. The P-6 on the other hand completely obliterates the highs, it make me wonder if instead of sampling at lower rates it's just applying an aggressive LPF. I don't know man, I was almost on the verge of getting one, but after this comparison I feel like the lo-fi modes are borderline scam. I'll be keeping my newly acquired Yamaha SU-10 with all its limitations and pass on the P-6. And that MPC60 sounds absolutely divine.
That wouldn’t make any sense because sampling at a lower rate extends sample time significantly. If you press the lofi button, it allows you to hear the aliasing.
@@DurtyCardiologist nope is not about the Khz at all, is all about the converters and the filters, those two variables create the “overtones” and the tone depth that is impossible to reproduce in “software in box” and in my opinion THE GOOD ENOUGH THEORY when it comes to sound is silly, first is Sound than secondary comes the Composition it is the only way to stand apart in a world of same boring chord progression !
Been using an MPC 60 for nearly 20 years, it's not lo-fi at all. It's very clean sounding until you pitch dramatically or overload the input, then it will add some artifacts. The bump in the low mids is pleasing but sampling pitched up and slowing down in the machine DEFINITELY doesn't give the same type of artifacts as an SP 1200. The ring in the SP 1200 sounds good where in the 60 its just annoying IMO. A better comparison for the P6 IMO would be an S900 series which has a variable sample rate, but even then the S900 is 12 bit.
I think he made this video just to show he own a MPC 60 .LOL 🤣😂🤣 next time compare a old Mercedes 190 with a brand new Merceds SL500 🤣😂 Ricky you r just a looser house boring beat maker!🙂🤣😂
Thanks for tuning in! The 60 has been around for a minute you must be new to the channel! Welcome and thanks for your time. House music is my life, what’s your fav genre?
I’d recommend anyone interested in this to up on Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem, basically you’ll get up to half of the sample rate frequency in frequency representation (so 5500hz at 11kHz sampling rate) before you get really ugly aliasing. This is why 44.1kHz was chosen as a sampling rate for many things dating back to Sony and compact discs back in 1979, because humans don’t generally hear above 20kHz - really more like 16k for most people, and the stuff up there isn’t musical anyway. Maybe people like the way it sounds, but bit-crushing has always sounded just bad to me. Tape and transformer saturation or tube overdrive with harmonics sound more natural IMO, but I get that sometimes that’s the point. It’s another tool for expression and it’s not like no hits were made using these techniques, just bugs me on a technical level. I feel like some of what we’re hearing with the MPC giving that “trumpet” sound on the synth is it applying some filter envelope at the beginning, like during the pad being depressed, is it applying velocity while that’s occurring so it ramps to open over maybe 50-100ms?
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Everyone should sell their MPC 60's. I'll be waiting on eBay.
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Appreciate you not naming this "P-6 the MPC Killer" 😂
LOL I was hoping I wouldn't have to! they definitely have their own sound
It only took 36 years to produce a better sampler. 😂
This took a lot of self-restraint.
@@MaDmanEXELOL!! Right!
Ricky just has an emotional connection to the 60ii....that's important tho
Yeah, that would not make since, sense it is the OP1 killer❤
Common man, you’re sampling at 14.7kHz then being surprised when there’s no highs left after you pitch it down? You’ve already thrown away so much more of the high end sampling at 14.7kHz vs the MPCs 40kHz. If you’re trying to do a comparison you really should have used 44.1kHz to sample on the P-6.
Lol yea....completely dishonest comparison. Ricky knows better
Yeah wondering the same.
So happy you uploaded. I love the visuals of your videos.
Very interesting. I just bought a P6 2 days ago, and have an MPC2000 in storage, so was thinking about the same tests, but couldn't do them as I don't currently have access to the AKAI. I think it's incredible what Roland have squeezed into that tiny box for 200 bucks, but the MPC is a proper bit of pro gear and a timeless classic that will always be a useful instrument, for studio and live work.
WHOA !!!!! Heck Naw.....why am I licking the P6 almost as much as the 60 II ??? CRAZY !!! 🤣🤣🤣
I got my P-6, and I HIGHLY recommend ordering "tall trimmer toppers" for the knobs, they made it feel WAY nicer to use
Which ones would you recommend?
@ they're from Thonk, if you Google tall trim toppers it should be the first one
The P-6 sounds like it's applying an LPF as it goes down in khz where the MPC retains some of the highs, and gives it a little more crunch and growl.
To bring out the harmonics of a low sample rate on the P6, turn on the lofi button (like on the 404sx). BUT you can actually adjust the amount the lofi effect adds to the sample playback with Shift + Lofi (select lofi with the value knob and enter) you can back the lofi effect waaaaay back or crush it beyond recognition. You can get that mpc60 sound with that function for sure.
HEAT !!° THX 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Reverb thanks you. Everyone now wants an MPC60.
Lol what? You do realize that Ricky was using the P6 in a very narrow range to do as close of an A/B comparison to the MPC 60ii as possible, right? The P6 has a way WAY wider range of colorization for the samples put into it.
@@DurtyCardiologist lmao BULLY!
I'd be interested in hearing the Sonicware Lofi12 XT thrown into this comparison too. Thanks for all of you excellent videos, Mr Martinez.
Great footage, I paid for mine 3 weeks ago here in Oz, still WAITING..!!
Excellent comparison. Been loving the shit out of the p-6.
great shirt, Ricky. 🙏🏼💜🤖
I don’t know why you would choose the low sample rates on the P-6 when trying to compare them against the 40Khz of the 60.
I mention it in the video, what im chasing is character. I'm not necessarily comparing the sample rate, more just the sound and if I like it :) It's basically comparing 2 different distortion units haha! Thanks for watching
@@RickyTinez you can get more character out of the P6 by turning on LOFI on the lower sample rate samples, and dialling it in (reducing it a bit), which brings back some highs and adds crunch / cosmic dust sparkle haha. I like to sample at 22 or 44 for stuff with lots of high frequency that you want to preserve, and use the filter to tweak it a bit, and the lower rates for bass lines, kicks etc that are more low frequency focused. The Sampletrak is still my favourite box for a vibe, but the P6 immediacy, chromatic sample playback, sequencer are really dope. The size makes it a travel everywhere box, and like you said, the microphone is dope. Thanks for the vid.
I was thinking the same. MPCs were always of the most highest quality sampling. P-6 can, or attempts to, replicate LoFi crunch of samplers like the SP1200, in addition to high quality 44.1KHz sampling. MPC aren’t really know for sound character because they sound so clean, which is ultimately a good thing.
@RickyTinez that’s fine, but then at 10:20 you’re directly comparing the high end between the two and of course the 14.7kHz sample is going to have a ton less high end. It’s a bit disingenuous and people are going to here that and think the P-6 is losing out to the MPC on that test, when it’s not an apples to apples comparison
I have a 60, love it so much, I really feel like it has no grit tho. It’s very, very clean compared even to my 16 bit S1000. Its just whatever it does to the low end, is incredible. I feel like it’s down to the DACs.
Nothing sounds like an MPC 60, they sound so damn good raw. Sometimes you don't even need any processing on it cuz it sounds so full.
And yes, the samples in the MPC 60 are 12 bit and the DAC is 16 bit. So what you're hearing is 12 bit audio played back at 16 bit, which gives an ever so slightly different timbre. It doesn't magically add more resolution to the original file tho of course, all the characteristic "crunch" (or quantization noise) is still in the sample's waveform. But the 16 bit output stage supposedly smooths out the waveform just a little bit by reconstructing it at a higher resolution than the file was stored, so the playback of the actual data samples in the audio file have a little more vertical wiggle room sort of lol. It's subtle but I think that's part of what gives the 60 its sound, and i think it has a subtle EQ signature maybe at the input stage or something, and of course the preamp sounds dope
Also in case you didn't know, recording at a higher pitch and pitching it back down an octave is effectively reducing the sample rate by half. So that's the sample rate workaround for a lot of akai samplers, and it has a different timbre than simply recording at a lower sample rate because the input filter cutoff freq is also reduced by half, along with some other artifacts that get pitched down at the input stage. It sounds pretty different than traditional sample rate redux like on the p6, but you can get some cool aliasing sounds with it sometimes
Roland repackaging its bit crusher effect from Roland Cloud if I had to guess.
Nothing touches the OG
@@mjrisinsd6836 No, it's really sampling in at a lower sample rate. And because the sample rate resolution is lower, you can record for a longer time. Bitcrushing just applies an effect without altering the original file, but this is more like an old school sampler workflow
@@sona_rium Well it sounds completely different, thats for sure 😂
@@sona_rium depends. I have gotten clean but beefy sounds from the 60. You can't get that from the SP. The SP has only one sound. A fat hollow sound. I'd rather the 60
Cool vid Ricky,
Waiting on my p6 also.
More Mpc vids please
so glad you picked this up ricky just got mine and followed along with this and it blew my mind, hope you do more content with p-6!
The DACs on the MPC60II is just priceless!!! It doesn't matter what the sample rate is, it's going to sound clean.
I usually can't hear the difference on youtube comparisons but the MPC sounded 100x better.
Agreed - MPC sounds great!
Probably because the source sound from the MPC is better, even after being compressed through youtube.
Damnit Ricky..My question is, hypothetically speaking, if I were to be on my lunch break…can I make it to guitar center and back within 30mins? Lol
"It's Not about the Gear, its about the ear 👂 " - Ras G 🕯
What shaker? Great video Ricky!
The 12 bits of the MPC 60 (II) make the difference. It's audible on more complex sounds, like synths. 12 bits eat texture.
I need to decide what sampler to get between the P6 and Circuit Rhythm, so more of this type of video would be appreciated.
The P6 is able to do a lot. The functionality is its strength. However, the workflow can be tedious, and you can’t save projects. The circuit rhythm is much more straight forward in how much you can do but the workflow is heaven sent. I think it’s the most intuitive groove box out there as it pertains to workflow. super fun. plus you can save projects. Hope that helps.
it would be cool (and maybe too much work) to make a single drum pattern using both of these machines. So like one hi hat hit on the MPC and the next hi hat hit on the P6 and then back and forth. Same thing with the kick and snare. I have no idea why you would want to do that but it sounds fun LOL.
OK, I am a bit puzzled why you are surprised that when you lower the sample rate you lose the high end. That's pretty logical. The sample rate determines up to which frequency you can record music; any frequency above the Nyquist Frequency cannot be reproduced (but cause aliasing). The Nyquist frequency is - by definition - at 50% of the sample rate. So, that means, at 44.1kHz, the max frequency is 22.05kHz (which is above the max human range, therefore the standard for CDs etc). And at 11kHz, the max. frequency is 5.5kHz. Anything above gets lost; therefore no highend.
5:40 I will NEVER forgive Ricky for clipping the sample. How could he even dare?
MPC 60 looks and sounds beautiful
It’s the original first sampler
This was cool. The lofi button on the P6 will bring the highs back in.
What MPCs do you still own Ricky? And have you checked out the MPC 3.0?
I am soooo close to getting another MPC for the 3.0 software haha, but im equally in-line for another MPC 1000. Right now I only have the 60ii and the 4000
That's cool and all…but what about that TONVERK? 😂
Just kidding, love your videos! Thank you 🙏
Ricky, at 44.1 they sounded the same (at least through RUclips). If using the 44.1, the P-6 could substitute the MPC, not? with a little tweaking maybe?
Tweaking: when lowering an octave of a lower sampled, it will lose more of everything, not only high end... but, hi end is more notorious because you are longing the wave.... so.... maybe EQ or, I don't know if the P-6 has it, add from a Noise generator...
mine arrived the other day ... great fun little thing
The 60ii just has a vibe. It’s an artifact of its day and I just love it so much. Glad you are hanging on to yours!
maybe i'm not getting it fully but are you not filtering out frequencies at the source for the pitched down tests when using the source material to do that on the p-6 at 14.7? wouldn't you need the closest aequivalent to 40khz for the pitch-down test which would be the 44.1 on the p-6. then resample pitch up/donw? what the mpc does at ptiching down is super fascinating. it highlights freqhencies unexpectedly. the p-6 is just muffled (yet actually more towards what my ears would expect when downsampling).
P6 sounds pretty good but as a mk2 user i definitely feel its a stripped back version but with granular synthesis added to make it more worth it. Still seems tempting with built in mic. They sound kinda close but i think that mpc is so beefy, worth the racks
Key spot in this video. To some it sounds one way. To some, it sounds another way. Therefore one isn’t better. As stated, both are dope.
Nailed it!
it's weird
when new mpcs came out I could sense a lot of differences between sounds of them and mpc 60 in your videos
but now it's like I hear a lot of similarity, the normal not distorted sound, sounds almost identical to my mpc one
but the tripping part is why I have this feeling now but didn't had it before
is it cause it's next to a completely another brand or do they just worked the sound through firmwares
who knows! sound is such a nuanced subject right? Even comparing 2 analog 808s sound different from one another!
Hi Ricky, nice comparation. what's the storage system you got installed on your 60? thnx
Sample rate reduction has exactly the effect of loosing the high end. There's nothing we can do about it. It's the whole Nyquist/Shannon sampling theorem: max frequency you'll be able to reproduce is half your sampling rate.
As i get older my vision is getting worse, so sometimes large cash register sized machines are better.
always wanted to try the mpc-60 you really cant beat that jawn. great video
we need more p6 content!!!
If the room is on fire 🔥 and u can save only one of these pieces of gear, which one do you save?
But what if the P6 could fit into my pocket?....can I try to save them both?....
I like to see samplers battle!!!
Once you clip the 60 it's better... before it just sounds recessed... but if you just want to get the sound for way way less, you can get a s-900 or s-950
maybe even a s-700? do not know enough about this range to know what would be better
If you can't get your hands on an mpc 60, what do you think is the best sounding of the newer samplers?
Octatrack mk2
it's funny I used to hate the sound of the OT, and eventually I grew to love it because of the way it handles samples and stretches them.
a lot of folks sleep on the rack unit samplers like the S900 S950, even the S2000s. Also check out Daydream sound and his vids on the ASR-10 stuff
@@TrumpVirus-b2lall the elektron stuff sounds flat and hollow to me. I don’t know if it’s different for the OT, but digitakt and M:S totally stripped the punch out of my drum samples. Same samples sounded great in a 404sx or an MPC live with no fx.
@@doppelganger8659 yes it is different for the octatrack. Octa Mk2 is the best sampler to come out in 20 years...Nothing compares to the octatrack, and has its own unique sound very similar to legacy mpcs. Any well known artist who uses octatrack will swear by it as well. It's for professionals, and people who have been making beats for decades
okay i want the mpc60
The 60 an octave down has the thing happening. The p6 sounds more filtered, which I guess is what lofi is doing
cant afford an orig mpc so gonna have to be the p6 for those who aint got a lot of money, use what you can afford folks
Bizarre apples to oranges comparison, but still interesting to watch. The MPC has never been a “Lofi” machine - they’ve always sounded very polished, smooth and high Fidelity, which was the goal. I have never understood the myth that the 60 has “grit” (which is really just slang for aliasing) - it absolutely does not. It has a great sound nonetheless. A more accurate comparison would be something like the SP1200 to the P6’s lofi modes.
You are very wrong there about lo fi effect, 60 actually has two sample rates @ 12bit = native 40000 & 20000* kHz (with OS 3.10e and above - check the manual and actual machine buddy). You get 12 bit distortion and aliasing from non-linear* sample engine, it's very noticeable with 808 type a sine wave kicks; but you have to know how to sample, use this limitations, to get what you want from it.
@@djmilandoanything can be made “lower fi” by corrupting the process, overdriving the sampling inputs, etc. But the 60 is not an inherently lofi machine like the SP-1200 - it sounds smooth and clean.
@@andrewhorton5101 20000 kHz is not in the Hi Fi zone, so that's lo Fi - low fidelity; by pushing more treble on input you get more aliasing, due to a sample rate limitation. I suggest you to check real thing once, to experiment and hear results. In the resampled mode 60 IS Lo Fi sampler 101%.
Don't you think you should mention the Model:Samples, which the P-6 is very obviously based on?
The p-6 bodies the m:s in everything except knob per function
Sorry if I missed it if you said so but where you mentioned you send the samples elsewhere for chopping and editing can you share where please?
I’m considering the little Roland sampler but currently using Logic Pro on an iPad and wondering if there’s actually any point buying the Roland?
Thanks.
MPC60II wins but P6 is still cool for FX (and cheap/small/battery powered)!
The MPC60 is an 'absolute unit' in comparison to the p-6 🤣😂 sheesh that thing is a tank broo lol
LOL so true.. it really puts it all into perspective
Even if the samplers sounded identical, the 60 would still have an untouchable sequencer feel.
p60 has a sound. p6 has a sound.
ko133 also has a sound if you sample it into a high octave and pitch it down.
Not that I' an expert but price and size comparison not withstanding, I'd give the 60 dibs for sound quality. It depends on what's important to you.
Are you getting paid by Roland to endorse the product?
Listening to this video.... as an Atari 8bit musician of the 90s. old days I heard the difrence between 2bit and 4bit samplers for my Atari 800XL computer. Good times. I had to program my own sample algoritms in machinelanguage, cut+paste and loop using my own ears... yep. those were the days. Might buy the P6 as an extra for my nice Roland Verselab MV-1 devil machine.
7:26 LOFI
Yeaaaaa…you can tell this is a promo vid.
For which company? Haha
@@RickyTinez😂
I mean you tried your hardest - but we all have ears.
ILL T SHIRT!!!!
MPC60 still has it.
Man....Ricky needs to spend more time with the P6. Ricky start pitching, resampling and using that lofi button!!! You can get any amount of high-end dialed back in with it LOFI after you downsample. The drums knock on that thing.
Love you Ricky...but youre perpetuating the old guard here!!!
Mpc sounds better. I wouldn't give it away.
I need to buy another MPC 60 can’t emulate that sound
MPC 30000? Sign me up!
Vs the sp 12
MPC is adult size the other one is microscopic
The 60 has so much more life and character. No contest.
MPC 60 hard win. fuggetaboudit.
I think people hyper focus on this "sound of the machine" too much. Just go make music.
10000% nobody’s leaving the dance floor because the beat wasn’t made on a real 909 🤣
hey Ricky.. I started your video . and 1 min into the test I think it's over already the Mpc bass is already heavier and fuller ... I immediately noticed that...
You clearly have a seasoned ear. Do NOT sell the MPC bro.
Bytes or Battery from Native Instruments is closest to old hardware imo. But the bit crusher on the MC-101/707/Roland Cloud will get you very close as well. I am guessing that’s what Roland put in that thing tbh. For a small hardware sampler I am sticking with the Microgranny because it has way longer sample times, and I am annoyed Roland does not disclose the bit rate on this box and will not allow me to load my own samples into Zenology software (have to load into MC101/707 or buy the P6).
It looks like a cash register. But a good one of course.😊
P-6 sounds abit like a W-30
didn't know about the p-6, yet... 😲
I’d recommend anyone interested in this to up on Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem, basically you’ll get up to half of the sample rate frequency in frequency representation (so 5500hz at 11kHz sampling rate) before you get really ugly aliasing. This is why 44.1kHz was chosen as a sampling rate for many things dating back to Sony and compact discs back in 1979, because humans don’t generally hear above 20kHz - really more like 16k for most people, and the stuff up there isn’t musical anyway.
Maybe people like the way it sounds, but bit-crushing has always sounded just bad to me. Tape and transformer saturation or tube overdrive with harmonics sound more natural IMO, but I get that sometimes that’s the point. It’s another tool for expression and it’s not like no hits were made using these techniques, just bugs me on a technical level.
Mpc slightly meater sound
I just watch it on my iPad Pro without headphones and I am 52, and notis some differences 🇩🇰😉
sp404mk2 needs the p-6 operating system
haha!
It was a no contest. the MPC sounded amazing and the other one sounded like a toy. It sounded so flimsy and fragile.
I think you missed the point, but there is love for both samplers
the thing with the 60 and other vintage mpcs are is the seemed to glue the mix together in a way nothing else can expect sp1200 and eps16 asr10 these new samples just don't they sound amazing but they don't have that glued feel the vintage gear does even the modern mpcs don't have that sound the p9 is sick.but it doesn't hold a candle to the 60 or any mpc never get rid of the 60 as after hearing how good your stuff sounds on it you will always be chasing that sound with other gear I'm a modern mpc user my self I just wish they sounded as good as the old ones the vintage effects are dope but still not accurate I hope akai are able to repacate it properly one day ....
Pitch daddy
I got the Yamaha SU-10 the other day and after listening to this... I have a feeling that the P-6 lo-fi grades/modes are fake.
Even at the lowest grade, 11.64Khz, with the system pitch all down to -20%, my SU-10 still retains the crispiness in the high frequencies although extra crunchy.
The P-6 on the other hand completely obliterates the highs, it make me wonder if instead of sampling at lower rates it's just applying an aggressive LPF.
I don't know man, I was almost on the verge of getting one, but after this comparison I feel like the lo-fi modes are borderline scam.
I'll be keeping my newly acquired Yamaha SU-10 with all its limitations and pass on the P-6.
And that MPC60 sounds absolutely divine.
That wouldn’t make any sense because sampling at a lower rate extends sample time significantly. If you press the lofi button, it allows you to hear the aliasing.
P-6 sounds like ass next to the MPC to me
The P-6 sounds like the thin sounding cheap DAC that is inside of it. No comparison.
not similar at all, the difference is HUGE to be honest
Yea, sampling at 40khz and comparing it to sampling at 22khz and 14khz is going to be a huge difference.
@@DurtyCardiologist nope is not about the Khz at all, is all about the converters and the filters, those two variables create the “overtones” and the tone depth that is impossible to reproduce in “software in box” and in my opinion THE GOOD ENOUGH THEORY when it comes to sound is silly, first is Sound than secondary comes the Composition it is the only way to stand apart in a world of same boring chord progression !
@@Bigger-Circuitry-Bigger-SOUND lol ok bro
Been using an MPC 60 for nearly 20 years, it's not lo-fi at all. It's very clean sounding until you pitch dramatically or overload the input, then it will add some artifacts. The bump in the low mids is pleasing but sampling pitched up and slowing down in the machine DEFINITELY doesn't give the same type of artifacts as an SP 1200. The ring in the SP 1200 sounds good where in the 60 its just annoying IMO.
A better comparison for the P6 IMO would be an S900 series which has a variable sample rate, but even then the S900 is 12 bit.
sorry bro 60ii all the way lol
Whatever x
I think he made this video just to show he own a MPC 60 .LOL 🤣😂🤣 next time compare a old Mercedes 190 with a brand new Merceds SL500 🤣😂 Ricky you r just a looser house boring beat maker!🙂🤣😂
Thanks for tuning in! The 60 has been around for a minute you must be new to the channel! Welcome and thanks for your time. House music is my life, what’s your fav genre?
they sound similar to me. It's all subjective.
Roland is trash and these rolcas are just the worst
Have you not heard a Roland S770/760/750?
@@maccagrabmeRoland S-series from the 90s are amazing! Sadly a differently company now.
I’d recommend anyone interested in this to up on Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem, basically you’ll get up to half of the sample rate frequency in frequency representation (so 5500hz at 11kHz sampling rate) before you get really ugly aliasing. This is why 44.1kHz was chosen as a sampling rate for many things dating back to Sony and compact discs back in 1979, because humans don’t generally hear above 20kHz - really more like 16k for most people, and the stuff up there isn’t musical anyway.
Maybe people like the way it sounds, but bit-crushing has always sounded just bad to me. Tape and transformer saturation or tube overdrive with harmonics sound more natural IMO, but I get that sometimes that’s the point. It’s another tool for expression and it’s not like no hits were made using these techniques, just bugs me on a technical level.
I feel like some of what we’re hearing with the MPC giving that “trumpet” sound on the synth is it applying some filter envelope at the beginning, like during the pad being depressed, is it applying velocity while that’s occurring so it ramps to open over maybe 50-100ms?