There’s actually a hidden spell tome you can make at the atronach forge to summon Staada whenever you want. Put the sheo shaped amber, a blissbug, a Sabre pelt, and a ruined book.
The story is that the Conjurer was trying to open a gate to *The Shivering Isles* which is Sheogorath's Plane of Oblivion (Similar to the gate from the Oblivion DLC) and that sword belonged to the Daedric Prince of order, who was cursed and turned into Sheogorath. Also that Summon conflict is from Spell Absorption. I deal with it to, it's annoying. *Edit:* I intend to do a "Mind of Madness" character inspired from all the Sheogorath content we have.
I enjoyed this questline. Lots of different locations, enemies and loot. I use the Golden Warrior and Golden Archer summons quite often. I can't really decide if the Tomb Guardian or Golden Warrior is better. One works better than the other in some situations. I have noticed that the shade that the Tomb Guardian creates will go after your pet so that is annoying. The bugs are quite useful. They give a nice buff in combat and the poison is decent as well.
Always choose to keep the Sheogorath-Shaped Amber because Staadia's helmet sucks (Fortify Stamina by 70 points lmfao) and you can use the Sherogorath-Shaped Amber in an Atronach Forge recipe to obtain a Master Conjuration spell that allows you to summon Staadia to fight for you.
If you have the atronach stamding stone it affects conjuration magic. Use a different standing stone and you won’t have that issue. Aka: it’s not a bug. It’s your build setup 🤷🏼♂️
IT is actually a bug just like vanilla ! it's fixed by unofficial skyrim creation club patch edit: "The summoning spells did not have the no absorb/reflect flag and so could be absorbed when the player attempted to cast them"
When I entered the dungeon where Thoron was and heard "Ancient Lament" from the Oblivion soundtrack.... I was like: "Is that...?" and nostalgia hit so hard. Reminded me of the first time landing on Solstheim shores, nostalgia hit so hard.
Madness armor is such a good looking armor and I'm glad that it is the strongest armor (atleast before tempering which makes any armor good after a certain armor rating) as it was in oblivion, but it sure is tedious to get madness ore if you go about doing it with no glitches, did that the first time I downloaded the cc before anniversary was a thing Kinda sad that there is no knight of order armor or their swords and staves
The quests don’t seem to scale. I wandered across the Saint’s camp around lvl5 and I got absolutely destroyed. After a couple of attempts I lured the Saints to a couple of wandering Giants - so they killed the giants and came for me again.
Yeah I was lv2 and died several times I got 3 imperials around there to help me although they die rather quick and I'm always 1 shot away from death. (No armor build) pure mage so I had to use illusion and storm atronach to finish them
for anyone else stuck and wondering why the quest line disappears are you can't see a marker for the sewers... I found out that it skips quest lines. "Restoring order" Is in my quests. And this is even before "Return to Ra'shaad" is completed. 3:11 " and he'll direct you to solitude" Ya, that didn't remotely happen for me. It also doesn't happen in the video, which makes it more confusing.
You you might assume that they scale, but they actually don't scale, and they have better equipment than regular bandits, oh and after you clear the quest you can occasionally just get attacked by more saints and seducer's bandits.
My life changed when I actually started reading the journals and notes that you pick up along the way. For this mission, they explain why the madman is down there and what he's trying to do. I know reading through all the journals isn't always at the top of the list but for some missions, I think it makes it a little more enjoyable.
I did the first camp at level 12. It was hard af. Had to reload multiple times and both me and Lydia died so many times. But eventually I managed (I could not back out since my save was in a fight with them). I returned at level 16 with Barbas and he is a beast (literally and figuratively), which made it super easy
I stumbled across the Saints camp accidentally and got immediately owned. I tried to circle around to try and snipe them from a ledge above and this time found them fighting with two giants. They killed one of the giants, but only the leader and one archer were left, both nearly dead. A quick one-two from the bow and that was it. I was going for a heavy armor build so getting the saint armor and weapons that early was a huge benefit, but it was a long time before I was able to finish the questline. lol
You know I think that this quest is offered to early on. Saints and Seducesers is hardcore. I made the mistake of taking on this quest at level 23 but out of strategy and with some luck I actually completed the quest. I would recommend people wanting to take this quest on wait until they are at least level 40.
I agree, I took it on at level 20 thinking I was high enough level. I only completed it by abusing stealth attack, run away and repeat on the mage boss at the end. Otherwise I’d be dead in three hits.
10:50 It happened to me too, spell absorbs buff from Atronach stone and Atronach perk from alteration skill tree does that for some reasons, its only useful if you want to be a warrior tank or mage tank build without summoning at all since it completely sabotage your summoning skill
Pretty sure the madness armor is the strongest armor you can get in game if you have all the anniversary CC stuff downloaded, but only by like 4 points of def. If I did my math right which I most likely didn’t lol
This is kind of an annoying quest… the bandits keep attacking different cities even though I’ve completed both Restoring Order and Balance of Power. I don’t need entire cities slaughtered leaving only essential NPCs, making everything seem really empty.
No glitch, no bug just a game mechanic. The atronach stone makes conjuration spells not be able to be cast. It absorbs magic from the conjuration spell. If you have 50% magic absorption then conjuration spells will work 50% of the time. It was not glitchy or buggy, it was just the atronach stone.
Saints and Seducers is really cool, but whenever I get to the point of giving what’s-her-face one of two items at the last of her quest or quests, I have no idea what to give up. Since I have the perk to let me upgrade enchanted stuff, I have a right mind to upgrade and give her the sword and keep her hat.
Anyone know anything about the “soul tomatos” that the seducers had sitting around their camp?? They look like rotten tomatoes but that have 250 coin value
Spell Absorbation prevents Conjuration spells from working, since it will just be absorbed. Highly recommend avoiding spell absorbation on your character for this reason.
I got the letter to meet Saada right after exiting the sewer and walking outside the city. I haven’t gone to the cave yet. (I'm here for which is the best option to give/not give here.)
So like, what if I did everything and I still can’t craft the armor and stuff? 😭 I read all the notes and everything. I don’t understand! I’ve spent all night doing this
The guy In the solitude sewers never actually dropped the helmet and spell books for me and I had the quest to go into the sewers so idk if I missed anything
I don't remember playing this the first 2 times through. Was this added recently? There's so much in this game not surprised if I did miss it. That Thoron guy was REALLY hard to kill on Master.
Played years ago on Xbox,had done pretty much everything possible in the game and had most weapons and equipment and all main quests finished.Started playing recently on switch for just when bored or if get spare hour,finding this quest made me think had the fuk had I missed it before realised was latest dlc.🤔😂
Yea I just started the game again about a week ago got It off game pass ran jnto the ones near white run died 4 times came back with better armor and the wind shear made it easy idk it was apart the game
I know what your problem is. Your absorb magika level are to high which creats this difficulty in summoning. Try removing the atronach sign and you should be able to summon easy
What was happening was not a bug you were absorbing the spell because you are essentially casting a Conjuration Spell on yourself any Conjuration Spell with a timer is cast on you and you have a chance to absorb it if you have the Atronach Stone or the Atronach perk
I want to know Joftens crafting notes because there is no location anywhere to find the smithing crafting notes. I need some more info. Black and Gold armour crafting . How do I find Joftens smithing crafting gold and dark armour notes? Nothing showing on my map. I am lost. There is not much on you tube about this?
OK so is it level specific because I've not gotten that quest from the khajiit yet and I've already talked to everyone in white run unless I missed someone
I did this whole quest line but there doesn't seem to be an Evethra in my game. Also my game never generated anyone with Golden Chest Armor so I never got an opportunity to have a full set.
Do I have to have the anniversary edition to get the golden and dark craft because I can't craft the golden or dark set I can only craft amber and madness armor
I ran into these guys randomly I had no idea they were in my game. I was level 16 and one of them 2 pieced my ass. Fortunately second time around 2 giants were walking by and I managed to get them to fight each other. They killed the giants but were left at low health for me to take all the credit for 😆
This is broken. Idk how to fix it. Killed both bosses and have some armor and weapons but both quests aren't even in my journal. It's like I was never given it
so I had a question about this addon, I completed the game and tried to do the quests but since I beat the game, the khajiit aren't outside of whiterun anymore. So if they're gone, does that mean I can't play the quests or anything related to saints and seducers?
Every time I try to enter solitude sewer my game crashes, and the same thing happens when I download a house mod. Can’t enter without crashes. Anyone know how to fix this? (Xbox one x player)
be me- been playing skyrim over half my life. xbox 360, ps3, ps4, and now im 20 and playing it on my first pc. And I had no hecking idea what a amber or maddness things were. I accidently Found godnor last wishes and I was so freaking confused. What happens now? Did I glitch the game?
I've got the same problem, only thing I've found online is that she runs off to fight random hostiles around where she spawns but I've had no luck locating her.
Enchant the Sword of Jyggalag with Chaos damage and name it 'Sword of the Irony.'
I'm sure most people reading this comment won't get it x'DD
Nice one. I keep it in mind =D
@@Obanai_Iguro-_-14 Jyggalag is all about logic and order.
Not to mention also improve it with Ebony Ingots and Smithing
Sword of improved irony
I feel like that name was mentioned in oblivion shivering isles DLC jyggalag 🤔
There’s actually a hidden spell tome you can make at the atronach forge to summon Staada whenever you want. Put the sheo shaped amber, a blissbug, a Sabre pelt, and a ruined book.
He pretty much says this in the video and it’s said in a book not very hidden
@@codysully1499you actually read the books?
@@hajimemightflex5185you dont?
@@eerreerr497 nah
@@hajimemightflex5185 :(
The story is that the Conjurer was trying to open a gate to *The Shivering Isles* which is Sheogorath's Plane of Oblivion (Similar to the gate from the Oblivion DLC) and that sword belonged to the Daedric Prince of order, who was cursed and turned into Sheogorath. Also that Summon conflict is from Spell Absorption. I deal with it to, it's annoying.
*Edit:* I intend to do a "Mind of Madness" character inspired from all the Sheogorath content we have.
I enjoyed this questline. Lots of different locations, enemies and loot. I use the Golden Warrior and Golden Archer summons quite often. I can't really decide if the Tomb Guardian or Golden Warrior is better. One works better than the other in some situations. I have noticed that the shade that the Tomb Guardian creates will go after your pet so that is annoying. The bugs are quite useful. They give a nice buff in combat and the poison is decent as well.
Always choose to keep the Sheogorath-Shaped Amber because Staadia's helmet sucks (Fortify Stamina by 70 points lmfao) and you can use the Sherogorath-Shaped Amber in an Atronach Forge recipe to obtain a Master Conjuration spell that allows you to summon Staadia to fight for you.
If you have the atronach stamding stone it affects conjuration magic. Use a different standing stone and you won’t have that issue.
Aka: it’s not a bug. It’s your build setup 🤷🏼♂️
You said this much more politely than I was going to
IT is actually a bug just like vanilla ! it's fixed by unofficial skyrim creation club patch
edit: "The summoning spells did not have the no absorb/reflect flag and so could be absorbed when the player attempted to cast them"
When I entered the dungeon where Thoron was and heard "Ancient Lament" from the Oblivion soundtrack.... I was like: "Is that...?" and nostalgia hit so hard. Reminded me of the first time landing on Solstheim shores, nostalgia hit so hard.
Madness armor is such a good looking armor and I'm glad that it is the strongest armor (atleast before tempering which makes any armor good after a certain armor rating) as it was in oblivion, but it sure is tedious to get madness ore if you go about doing it with no glitches, did that the first time I downloaded the cc before anniversary was a thing
Kinda sad that there is no knight of order armor or their swords and staves
Madness armor looks amazing, on the contrary the amber armor seems too shiny and comicsy for my taste. Its a shame cause i was looking forward for it.
The dawnstar hidden chest has loads of the curios items, naturally because it's linked to the khajit caravan.. but yeah 👍
The quests don’t seem to scale. I wandered across the Saint’s camp around lvl5 and I got absolutely destroyed.
After a couple of attempts I lured the Saints to a couple of wandering Giants - so they killed the giants and came for me again.
should have gone with a bunch of follower
I got destroyed at lvl 25 too. Maybe I just suck at the game, but they are fucking savage, that's for sure.
Ha im level 70 and it was still a bit of a challenge
Im level 163 and currently 1 shot all of them *)
Yeah I was lv2 and died several times I got 3 imperials around there to help me although they die rather quick and I'm always 1 shot away from death. (No armor build) pure mage so I had to use illusion and storm atronach to finish them
for anyone else stuck and wondering why the quest line disappears are you can't see a marker for the sewers... I found out that it skips quest lines. "Restoring order" Is in my quests. And this is even before "Return to Ra'shaad" is completed.
3:11
" and he'll direct you to solitude"
Ya, that didn't remotely happen for me. It also doesn't happen in the video, which makes it more confusing.
You you might assume that they scale, but they actually don't scale, and they have better equipment than regular bandits, oh and after you clear the quest you can occasionally just get attacked by more saints and seducer's bandits.
They do scale, PC×0.5 (range=1-25) (source: UESP, probably datamined)
My life changed when I actually started reading the journals and notes that you pick up along the way. For this mission, they explain why the madman is down there and what he's trying to do. I know reading through all the journals isn't always at the top of the list but for some missions, I think it makes it a little more enjoyable.
I love the elytras bluffs saved me from a bind here and there.
I forgot they have buff's 😗
I did the first camp at level 12. It was hard af. Had to reload multiple times and both me and Lydia died so many times. But eventually I managed (I could not back out since my save was in a fight with them). I returned at level 16 with Barbas and he is a beast (literally and figuratively), which made it super easy
I stumbled across the Saints camp accidentally and got immediately owned. I tried to circle around to try and snipe them from a ledge above and this time found them fighting with two giants. They killed one of the giants, but only the leader and one archer were left, both nearly dead. A quick one-two from the bow and that was it. I was going for a heavy armor build so getting the saint armor and weapons that early was a huge benefit, but it was a long time before I was able to finish the questline. lol
You know I think that this quest is offered to early on. Saints and Seducesers is hardcore. I made the mistake of taking on this quest at level 23 but out of strategy and with some luck I actually completed the quest. I would recommend people wanting to take this quest on wait until they are at least level 40.
I agree, I took it on at level 20 thinking I was high enough level. I only completed it by abusing stealth attack, run away and repeat on the mage boss at the end. Otherwise I’d be dead in three hits.
Lvl 27 two handed build chugged health potions and beat him to death with my hammer. It's cheesy but if you got enough potions there's no need to run
I left the naked guys stuff on the table and took FOREVER to figure out why my quest wasn’t progressing. Nightmare.
10:50 It happened to me too, spell absorbs buff from Atronach stone and Atronach perk from alteration skill tree does that for some reasons, its only useful if you want to be a warrior tank or mage tank build without summoning at all since it completely sabotage your summoning skill
Of the conjuration spells, you can still summon bound weapons regardless how much spell absorption you have on you.
The atronach perks are eating your summons bit of a double edged sword.
Pretty sure the madness armor is the strongest armor you can get in game if you have all the anniversary CC stuff downloaded, but only by like 4 points of def. If I did my math right which I most likely didn’t lol
Yeah it is, I did the math. Which I guess wearing armor made from *PHYSICAL MADNESS* may be stronger than Dragon Bones.
Armor rating doesn't really matter when it gets that high
The amror from the champions DLC either Nord or Imperial is godly! That quest has no right to start so early. It's like dragonbone level
This is kind of an annoying quest… the bandits keep attacking different cities even though I’ve completed both Restoring Order and Balance of Power. I don’t need entire cities slaughtered leaving only essential NPCs, making everything seem really empty.
No glitch, no bug just a game mechanic. The atronach stone makes conjuration spells not be able to be cast. It absorbs magic from the conjuration spell. If you have 50% magic absorption then conjuration spells will work 50% of the time. It was not glitchy or buggy, it was just the atronach stone.
Wait, you mean you haven't heard of Bandits Book Club? Every Wednesday at 7pm. ;)
see you next week! how to tame a dragon?
@@Jade-PG Definitely. XD
The atronach standing stone can cause you to absorb things you're trying to summon especially if you have 100% absorption
With the only conjuration based spells *not* affected by spell absorption being bound weapons.
I do believe the Madness armor is now the strongest and heaviest armor, currently in the game.
Correct, and Amber is also the strongest light armor in the game.
It’s weird that the magic absorb effects the Atronach summons and I guess the Saints and Seducers, but it doesn’t effect the undead summons.
Summoning is like a cast on self spell, thrall (and others) work on the target, so if you have spell absorption you might absorb your own spell
Good thing about it is it gives you full magic
Your videos on the anniversary edition are by far the best
They are!!!
I started this quest as a one-hander, and say nerve shatter and cried
Very informative and interesting. My PC is sick so I am enjoying watching all the videos on RUclips. I am really liking your videos. Thank you
🙃☕❤❤❤❤
Saints and Seducers is really cool, but whenever I get to the point of giving what’s-her-face one of two items at the last of her quest or quests, I have no idea what to give up. Since I have the perk to let me upgrade enchanted stuff, I have a right mind to upgrade and give her the sword and keep her hat.
The fellow wearing nothing but the boots is connect to the Shivering Isles DLC in Oblivion and one of the NPCs in dementia I do believe
There are no khajits close to whiterun in my game
Middle of doing this and yeah spot on I found it way to early and took me a fair few goes and just taking out the first camp near whiterun
Staadia's armor gives me serious She-Ra vibes.
Especially the helmet.
Anyone know anything about the “soul tomatos” that the seducers had sitting around their camp?? They look like rotten tomatoes but that have 250 coin value
they’re soul gems
Spell Absorbation prevents Conjuration spells from working, since it will just be absorbed. Highly recommend avoiding spell absorbation on your character for this reason.
I read the books actually that mad mage thoron wanted to go to another world made me think it was possible but this outcome it great 👍 lots of stuff !
I read the notes for the amor but I can’t craft it 😀
I got the letter to meet Saada right after exiting the sewer and walking outside the city. I haven’t gone to the cave yet. (I'm here for which is the best option to give/not give here.)
With the staff of sanguine and enough soul gems you can accomplish anything at level 27
Spell absorb from alteration skill tree effects summoning like that.
Spell Absorbation sucks. I always avoid the Atronach perk. Not worth it
So like, what if I did everything and I still can’t craft the armor and stuff? 😭 I read all the notes and everything. I don’t understand! I’ve spent all night doing this
Hey i might be late to this but you need the ebony smithing perk because it requires ebony in the crafting recipe
The guy In the solitude sewers never actually dropped the helmet and spell books for me and I had the quest to go into the sewers so idk if I missed anything
For the uninitiated, the Conjurer is a reference to the South Park World of Warcraft episode.
Dupe the sword and give it to her, then get the book and u can get all 3 rewards no problem
I turned into a werewolf to kill the half naked mage. My claws kept knocking him down and stunning him.
I don't remember playing this the first 2 times through. Was this added recently? There's so much in this game not surprised if I did miss it. That Thoron guy was REALLY hard to kill on Master.
It's anniversary edition content. It's fairly recent.
Did all this and still can't craft it.
Did you find out how to get it?
Played years ago on Xbox,had done pretty much everything possible in the game and had most weapons and equipment and all main quests finished.Started playing recently on switch for just when bored or if get spare hour,finding this quest made me think had the fuk had I missed it before realised was latest dlc.🤔😂
Nice guide there :) Did you check the warmth rating on the armor sets for survival mode?
No, I actually have that plane dtho, as of right now fur is still one of teh best Early, or light, and orc is decent heavy,
@@Jade-PG Thanks :)
Where are the quests beginning at? (In Skyrim gamers) Oh, i understand.. Thanks.
dude this was so helpful, thank you so much
Yea I just started the game again about a week ago got
It off game pass ran jnto the ones near white run died 4 times came back with better armor and the wind shear made it easy idk it was apart the game
this helped a lot thx
I'm stuck at level 1 and only the boss with his chain lightning caused some problem.
what is the sword? it looks really cool
What sword is that you’re using?
As to why it may have been buggy....did you have the atronach stone? For whatever reason it will mess up summons and not conjure them.
I know what your problem is. Your absorb magika level are to high which creats this difficulty in summoning. Try removing the atronach sign and you should be able to summon easy
Sucks my courier didn’t give me the note it somehow never ended up in my inventory after I got the nerve shatter and talked to him👎🏼
What was happening was not a bug you were absorbing the spell because you are essentially casting a Conjuration Spell on yourself any Conjuration Spell with a timer is cast on you and you have a chance to absorb it if you have the Atronach Stone or the Atronach perk
Did you ever actually play the Shivering Isles?
Nothing at Mistwatch for me except normal bandits and some guy looking for his wife (which turns out to be bandit leader) what have I missed?
i forgot to read the journals a few level backs and i can’t find them in the dead guys bodies or anywhere around the camp
I want to know Joftens crafting notes because there is no location anywhere to find the smithing crafting notes. I need some more info. Black and Gold armour crafting . How do I find Joftens smithing crafting gold and dark armour notes? Nothing showing on my map. I am lost. There is not much on you tube about this?
just wanted to check but once you get these pieces, you can enchant and improve them?
OK so is it level specific because I've not gotten that quest from the khajiit yet and I've already talked to everyone in white run unless I missed someone
I went to the place to get the amber armor recipe and there's only some skeletons there
I did this whole quest line but there doesn't seem to be an Evethra in my game. Also my game never generated anyone with Golden Chest Armor so I never got an opportunity to have a full set.
Should you keep the sheogorath shaped Amber or the Jyggalag Sword?
Absolutely keep the Sword of Jyggalag. Actually Jyggalag is and isn't Sheogorath. Its the artifact of the Prince of Order.
what sword is that in the beginning that he is holding?
I started early and it was nearly impossible without a follower
Do I have to have the anniversary edition to get the golden and dark craft because I can't craft the golden or dark set I can only craft amber and madness armor
Do you have to buy the content for this part of the expansion, because I haven't bought it yet I'm able to fish.
I ran into these guys randomly I had no idea they were in my game. I was level 16 and one of them 2 pieced my ass. Fortunately second time around 2 giants were walking by and I managed to get them to fight each other. They killed the giants but were left at low health for me to take all the credit for 😆
The person u have to kill to get make the madness armor never spawned for me
What's that orange armor in the beginning?
When I get the first two bandit camps they didn't spawn, just a floating quest marker with no enemies. Idk what to do.
I have a question gadno for me she's not on Top of the Rocks
I never got the letter from the courier, went to the location anyway and staddia is there with no dialogue no clue what's going on
Is the Saint and Seducer bandit loot random, or are you guaranteed to get a full set of each?
I don't know if it was the mods. But stealth archer did not help me here at all 😂 I felt so freaking weak
I’m not sure how I’ve gotten this DLC as I’m playing Special Edition and have never touched the creation club (besides cheats) in my life
What armour should i wear because my current armour cant take those hits from his magic to well
I got the craft chest early and it won't let me craft none of them. Unless they a certain forge to use. I checked the Windhelm forge.
This is broken. Idk how to fix it. Killed both bosses and have some armor and weapons but both quests aren't even in my journal. It's like I was never given it
I can't get this mission in the anniversary edition.
How know this is about 10 months ago but how do I smith my own set of saints and seducers armor
dude how are you doing so much damage to those little bugs????
so I had a question about this addon, I completed the game and tried to do the quests but since I beat the game, the khajiit aren't outside of whiterun anymore. So if they're gone, does that mean I can't play the quests or anything related to saints and seducers?
I found them outside Markath
For some reason I never got the amber set in my forge
Can you do this only once per character or is it at a certain level because I can’t find the camps?
Porque nenhum Br fez um vídeo falando dessas quests
Every time I try to enter solitude sewer my game crashes, and the same thing happens when I download a house mod. Can’t enter without crashes. Anyone know how to fix this? (Xbox one x player)
be me-
been playing skyrim over half my life. xbox 360, ps3, ps4, and now im 20 and playing it on my first pc. And I had no hecking idea what a amber or maddness things were. I accidently Found godnor last wishes and I was so freaking confused. What happens now? Did I glitch the game?
For some reason I don't get a quest to go to the girl on the beach or that last battle, any help?
Why is evertha not spawning for me?
I've got the same problem, only thing I've found online is that she runs off to fight random hostiles around where she spawns but I've had no luck locating her.
I can't kill the saints they are constantly revived after killing them.
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What armor are you wearing at 0:05?