LANCER Mech Frame Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Hi hello, we've got a long one. The mech tier list is here! Along side ALOT of different frames there is definitely a bit of rambling. The general framing for the list are as follows.
Sources-
Core Book
Karrakin Trade Baronies
Siren Song
No Room For A Wallflower,
Long Rim
Dustgrave
Checklist-
Manufacturer aspect fitting
Lore
Example Art
Cool Factor (The bias kicks in)
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What's your favorite lore blurb tied to a license component?
My headcanon for Barbarossa's appearance is that it's a really large lumbering walker with three or four legs and a swivel turret. Glad to know I'm not alone with that sentiment, Zaktact.
That's OK, awhile ago I misheard or misread Barbarossa as Babearossa and it's been teasing my brain ever since
I always pictured the Barbarossa as the republic AV-7
retrograde minis has a pretty good redesign of the Barbarossa
tbh my brain only recently figured. "its just a pacific rim jaeger" and now i cant excape that head cannon.
I personally thought it looked more like the hunchback from battletech, so basically the already present design, but instead of the gun being attached to the top, it's in a gigantic housing shell mounted inside the shoulder.
59:59 the Lich left a mark so heavy in the Lancer mythos that some would argue that the mark was already there even before Lancer being created
He says he needs to go faster each time, while I'm here just enjoying him ramble.
Also could you imagine setting your printer to spit you out another Everest and you hear your buddy go hey, got a new license? Nice what is it?
Just then you just walk back and see an Eldritch Horror that turns its head once you enter the room.
Haven't watched yet, but 100% wouldn't be surprised if most things end up as S-tier given that the scale is based on lore and coolness.
The Tokugawa being based mostly on Torch lore hurts. The Torch is specifically the thing that is designed for officers. It's tied to Tokugawa in terms of mechanics, but it's more meant as an overall lore concept that doesn't specifically talk about frame lore. The Torch lore does not mean the Tokugawa is meant for officers, it's playing on the idea of having a high tech saber. It's playing off of history in a way that fits HA incredibly well. I could easily see a Napoleon holding its flaming saber aloft or a Genghis running around with a literal FIRE axe.
The Tokugawa itself has some great lore to it though. It isn't built to be a ranged gunner like the rest of HA's kit because it is meant to fill that niche within the company's lines. HA has no good melee options (most of their frames aim to be as far away from the fight as possible or at a mid-range with cover) and Toku specifically says that it's built for ship-boarding and CQB. Why does it destroy itself to function? The answer is that it's an engine that is designed to work harder than any other among HA's projects. External Bats are the best batteries you can get, but they're volatile. The Tokugawa is the best performance you can get out of a HA frame, but it's volatile. It represents all of the weird experimental stuff that Harrison is doing right now. Plasma Gauntlets let you kill mechs with nothing but your hands, but that's volatile. The Lucifer NHP runs a million miles a second and pushes the machine to its limits, but it's volatile. External Batteries are the best on the market, but they're volatile. The Annihilator is a first time experiment on turning your reactor into a giant gun, but it's volatile. The Deep Well Heat Sink is specifically said to be experimental and volatile and that thing exists to try to prevent you from dying.
Imo the Tokugawa is a perfect example of HA and what it does. These are the guys that made paracausal bullets a thing. The Toku is basically the Think Tank asking itself, "Just how far could we push our tech if we completely disregarded Human safety." The answer is that you can make melee weapons burn hotter, you can make your plasma and beam weapons reach farther, and you can kill your enemies even deader. Basing your opinion of the frame solely on the Torch's lore blurb feels unfair imo.
thissss, I wanted to yell at him through the screen. its not an officer mech, he put it so low for false reasons
16:02 the whole idea of the Zheng is cool, the origin being of a Raleigh being adapted to fight a group of pirates and a pilot making THIS. IPS-N seeing this and deciding to make a official line is also so in line with them and with a corporation
It doesn't make me wanna play as one, but I have seem A LOT of builds that takes some licenses of him, and that makes him a high B for me
Zheng player here - would have been just B for me if I didn’t learn all the silly shit you could do with your core power if the map has lots of cover.
@@gableprescott7405moving 24 and combining arms like:
@@40Found haha opcal supermassive tempest charged blade after moving 24 spaces go SHWING
I'm playing a zheng right now with some blackbeard and genghis parts, fomorian frame, and brawler, juggernaut and pankrati talents. We've reflavored the whole thing to be a firebreathing mecha-godzilla that absolutely tears apart anything in its path, sets aflame whatever it can't reach, and can more easily move through zero-g and aquatic environments. I love it so much. It's so much fun to play with!
4:50 Goblin is one of those who has become a "face" for Lancer, I felt that. And he is THE Hacker Mech as well and have a fun design
Hard not to put him in A, but if he fall the tier list, he may lost some structure damage from the fall
You put Tokugawa in D citing “it just doesn’t feel Harrison enough”
Yet you forgot about the think tank, which I am convinced is responsible for creating mechs based on things lancers do.
Also, silently putting caliban in S with no hesitation is both funny and true. “I was made to solve a numbers problem, and right now that means making your 1 a 0
29:32 I just can't with Kidd. I love it. The design? Being quadrupedal already makes me love it. The lore? Oh yeah, being a frame with a supposed treasure map hidden in its code (and that IPS-N makes everything it can to debunk and undermines this rumor). The idea of having this crew that makes fortnite constructions within rounds. The idea of getting the Level 2 License and while everyone gets a mech, YOU - my blue collar Lancer - receives a mech AND A SATTELITE? That can make orbital strikes??
How would I NOT love it and put it in S??
Hour-long Zaktact video, Let’s go!
Tokugawa not only being D, but the ONLY D, hurts me on a spiritual level
An unbelievable majority of the fan base does not seem to like or find any value in heat engine builds, which has always been weird to me considering Nuke Cav is one of the most taken talents in the game.
@@j.f.1639 probably because nuclear cavalier isn't really tied to being a heat engine build. being in the danger zone can mean anything from having 7 heat on a Tokugawa to having taken 2 heat on a Blackbeard. really i think it's an issue with how generally applicable it is.
@@the8626 Oh, def. But I still find it very humorous in it's own way.
@@j.f.1639 These type of people are what we call "cowards".
@@the8626 I mean, I know a way to make a Nelson overheat in 1 turn, while moving upwards of 40 spaces. It also causes you to take a point of reactor stress. Cross-map superheated war pike ftw
Edit: changed 2 to 1 because I remembered overcharge
Okay, but hear me out, the Goblin has SOFTWARE that makes physical constructs, and that's paracausal af
38:36 the white mage, the healer, the everyone's mom
The whole universe of Lancer compels for the Lancaster being in S
For gorgon, I've always imagined it as having maternal instincts more or less. Very personal and protective, but not malicious
24:45 Raleigh is one of those that can be a High A or a low S, depending on the person
He has the charisma, the gun on the chest, the lore, the iron on his hip
We’ve talked about what a Minotaur’s cockpit looks like on the inside, but what the hell do you think piloting a Balor looks like? Me, I’ve always pictured it forming like almost an amniotic sac around the pilot and the rest of the mech is just… soup. Hungry, hungry nanite soup.
I always imagined it forming around the pilot as they step, creating stairs under their feet to raise them to chest level and then basically being an aura around them.
16:32 I can feel this sensation of "I'm a Sniper Mech and nothing more" with the Death's Head. And, by it's traits, core power and license, I would put it FAR LOW, but... That design
It's so good, it's different, it's weird. And then I love it. All the mechs that ain't just a humanoid metal giant I love it way way more
High B? I guess it deserves a High B
44:23 the flavor and the whole lore that surrounds Gorgon, makes me wanting her on a High A
The effects of her powers in enemies (and how doesn't affect allies), the text that comes with their NHP, the way that you are suppose to protect your friends while piloting a Gorgon, it's just too fun and cool
42:13 the Sherman is just so fun. The laser eye, the flavor of him being so popular. And the ASURA NHP, of course. He deserve the Low S place
12:35 I loved your take on Barbs
Like, just like Goblin, I think he is one of the more iconic Lancer mechs. The one everybody will talk about it. He is the only (ignoring homebrews) Size 3 mech, and that's always makes me like him very much. But yeah, I can see how he can be a "and now you don't play for 4 turns" and I also feel the issue of don't always knowing how much of the illustration of each mech represents him.
Like the Drake, the cannon with him is the one from licence 1 or 3? How each one look?
It would be good to have MORE art of them hehe
I think something to consider with the tokugawa is that lore wise, HA didn't make it as unstable and risky as it is in the books. HA pilots were purposefully modifying the heck out of the tokugawa, essentially jailbreaking the limiters and safety features to get more juice. I love the idea of a cold, militant tool being turned into such a badass contraption by the user rather than by design.
cannot wait for this to be outdated within the next few months as Winter Scar comes out (Kutuzov my beloved)
I counter your rambling thoughts with some of my own:
-Zheng is a heavily modified Raleigh, not a Nelson.
-The Sunzi wasn't a Harrison-Los Voladores collaboration. The Armory pretty clearly stole a bunch of tech from the Space Spaniards and tried to pass it off as their own breakthrough. (I think you could get an interesting story out of some Armory Legionnaires pulling off a heist or some Voladores hiring some Lancers to blow up the prototype to send a message.)
-The Nelson not fitting the IPS-N theme is fine for me. It was made for the Albatross.
-The Balor, Tortuga, and Sherman are, in fact, cool as hell. Maybe I just like big, chunky mechs.
-Blackbeard is my favorite murder skeleton, and Caliban is my favorite shotgun gremlin.
53:31 Blackbeard being in S is fair
The boy is a face, a meme and a concept to Lancer
If the Barbarian is the first class you see in the DnD book, Blackbeard being also the first is poetic
Plus the lore, it just open the frames and licenses with just a cheff's kiss, they even have a NHP, just to bring you into what Lancer can offer
51:15 Minotaur is one of those that aren't flashy, but I just impossible for me not to fall in love.
Stands in all fours, going outside the humanoid designs for the mechs
His lore? Really interesting, even so if you read his flavor text in the licenses (in the Comp/Con) and seeing that it glitches. It is RA talking to you??
And the powers are so COOL, is one of those I feel a Horus Weirdo, just deciding when and how you move, at which direction you move, how far can you move
He may be shy and simple, not as glamorous, but I love the Minotaur
55:57 Genghis is one of those that "is emblematic"
The list of memes about him is really long, and I like some flamethrower mecha.
He is the burn mech, which is important to have one to play along a core mechanic/damage and it is REALLY important to the whole lore
1:04:13 I like Viceroy opening the Variant conversation cause I really like it as one. He doesn't get SUPER DIFFERENT and I really feel like he is a different model of the Monarch.
Still the Monarch, but with different specifications, and it feels like a "product" or a "car line"
Sorry to correct this, but the original Zhang was a modified Raleigh, not Nelson. Witch is funny because it is the last mech you would give a melee weapon in a lot of cases. I think is was to actuate the desperate situation the Zhang was created in.
23:00 The Saladin is just a friend, he is just a bro.
Fun design, fun role and the lore that, if people know you pilot a Saladin, probably you won't pay your bill at bars? For me it is a absolute A of a Mech
And it is a HA Mech that wants to protect? He is just a winner over here
Chomolungma has crazy action economy, if it ends up below A tier i will be mad !
edit : ok, the GMS frames are missing so that's a shame...
If it were a mechanics tier list, absolutely, all GMSs would be easy As or Ss. For a lore/flavor tier list, though, I suppose it's kinda hard to rank the mechs whose flavor is "I dunno, what's your favorite mech?"
@@DystopianCreativity Yeah, we can't even say its looks are an acquired taste because it has no face.
Yooooo, let's go! I bet goblin is S tier
Hahaha yeah
It is in our hearts
Some helpful chapter markers...
Atlas - 00:51
Goblin - 03:37
Duskwing - 05:05
Barbarossa - 07:56
Black Witch - 12:49
Zheng - 14:46
Death's Head 16:04
Pegasus 17:06
Drake -18:24
Iskander - 19:50
Saladin - 21:41
Raleigh - 23:03
Sunzi - 25:24
Kidd - 27:55
Mourning Cloak - 30:26
Hydra -32:54
Baylor -35:09
Metalmark - 37:16
Lancaster - 38:31
Tortuga - 40:14
Gorgon - 42:37
Tokugawa 44:23
Manticore- 46:26
Swallowtail - 47:56
Vlad - 49:36
Minotaur - 50:41
Monarch - 51:41
Blackbeard - 53:13
Napoleon - 54:22
Ghengis - 55:49
Emperor- 56:26
Caliban - 57:39
Lich - 59:28
Kobold - 1:00:25
White Witch - 1:01:59
Viceroy - 01:03:14
Störtebeker - 1:04:29
Orcus - 1:06:04
Calendula - 01:07:09
Swallowtail Ranger - 1:08:30
Empakaai - 1:10:10
Enkidu - 01:11:50
Worldkiller - 1:13:19
This is a great video for anyone like me trying to pick up Lancer.
There are two sides of Horus, paracausal weirdness made manifest, and the I downloaded a gun/weaponised what was on hand with files from the internet, used to arm insurgants/cultiwts/revolutionaries
What's enjoyable is even seeing these multiple facets conflicting with each other. Mech wise it's a great mix. Lore and NPC wise it's fantastic. One section of a system can hold a cult based around bringing down reality, another revolutionary forces trading in illegal tech, or just some troll in the depths of the omninet with WAY to much power. Also makes you wonder what some of their handheld stuff might be capable of...
1:09:05 The Swallowtail variant and the Viceroy are one of those I really like that aren't CRAZY ASS OTHER DIMENSION MECHAS, but just *variants*
The slim version SSC sells or the version typical in a world you are now playing
bro did sunzi dirty (granted I'm biased as it is my personal favorite)
But placing it in C just because "it dosn't fit HA" feels really dirty. Are people forgetting that war can't be thought with weapons alone, and that you need reliable platforms to deliver both your troops safetly in key positions on the battefield, aswell denying your enemies their own key positions that will give them a natural advantage. .
As an LL7 Barbarossa player, I have usefully fired the Apocalypse Rail twice. I have however forced my GM into horrible situations where I am too dangerous to ignore, I cause enemies to split up and be easily picked off, and due to 3 licences in Saladin I am incredibly annoying to shoot at. My job in combat isn't so much to kill enemies (though paracausal Siege Cannon still goes pew) but to support the team by being the biggest threat on the battlefield. I can't really disagree with the C rating considering how little of the Barb's kit I use, but I feel like how it's presented in the book and how you can use it usefully in a mission differ enough that it's more useful than you think.
Apocalypse Rail isn’t a weapon, it’s a threat.
Area denial is a powerful tool to have
I'm sure its already been said but the sheer balls to the walls nature of the Toku actually does lend itself to the brutal Meritocracy of HA. Because if you don't know how to manage it a toku is a fucking death trap. However if you know what you are doing and are a capable pilot a Tokugawa is a nightmare. It is that thin red line of self destruction and glorious victory. You can kinda see it as a way more refined Enkidu.
52:06 I would say that, despite frames like Metalmark and Duskwing representing more the lore and gameplay of SSC, frames like Monarch and Death Head/Swallowtail that ressonates with me as the Smith-Shimano Frames.
Being weirdly, with spider legs and not going for the simple and cliché humanoid design, but going FURTHER or, like Monarch, being the Ferrari. You feel like this is the sport-mecha of Lancer.
AND it has missiles!
A good mecha capable of bring the core anime mecha moment (some Itano Circus over here) to the table!!
Hour-long Lancer video, ayeee, can't go wrong with that. Interestingly enough, just two days ago, there was a discussion on the Lancer Discord whether the gun in the Barbarossa artwork is the Siege Cannon or the Apoc Rail, and if I recall correctly, Kai Tave even confirmed that there was a relativly big timeframe between the artwork being finished and the liscence being written, hence the discrepancy between what is depicted and what is there mechanically
I’m a mad fanatic for the iskander. I’ve never felt more control of the battlefield than when I played a character who only ever made other characters save through grenade and grav shenanigans. I think the only time I made a real attack roll was when I was still piloting an Everest. But you’re right that lore wise, it’s a bit lacking.
Also, since you’ve gotten flustered every time you’ve tried to say it, it sounds similar to “his can sir” (is can durr). It’s the ancient pronunciation of Alexander. As in Alexander the Great, conqueror of all worlds, which is how you’ll feel piloting this thing
58:16 Caliban: the only mecha that a Barbarossa pilot prays not to encounter
Raleigh in S but Nelson in B is criminal, my guy. Like damn, the Nelson disrespect is real.
Atlas does one thing: die.
Mourning Cloak: rated "F" for "Full action to leave the scene."
Swallowtail: the most insanely aggressive striker that ultras have nightmares about.
Gorgon: a defender in the way the outside of a wrecking ball defends the inside of a wrecking ball.
about manticore destroying itself: it doesnt even need to castigate to do it, the electric spiles on its back generate so much heat that it SLAGS ITS OWN ARMOR (which the art shows on top). Also its to my knowledge the only mech for which we have art of the opened cockpit... and yep its definitely horus, what with the seat cushions looking like they are made of brain matter and the previously-mentioned amor-slagging spikes RIGHT above the pilot, EXPOSED, yet somehow not cooking off the pilot...
Lets goooooo, been waiting for this!
When it comes to my favorites that I've made it either has to be a Lancaster, Napoleon or strangely enough a heat/burn build Everest.
Empakaai is my favourite mech, because the idea that 50% of its mass is just dedicated to punching things is just... amazing
... your videos are absolutely brilliant. Thank-you.
The Drake being first feels like it fits well enough to me. First one is an overengineered utility defender that uses a very conventional thinking payload of a rotary cannon. The second one is a more minimalist offensive platform that not only leans harder into direct combat, but feels out the IPSN unspoken niche of CQB and preference for melee similar to SSC's unspoken niches of long range and stealth. IPS-N tried the big bulky bells and whistles doing the expected, then they figured out what they could do without and what they personally wanted. And after selling something to hold the line and keep the riff raff at bay, they could sell something to seek and destroy.
I love how coolness lore-wise is factored into the rating
1:02:31 the White Witch has one of those Licenses that is really fun to read, cause you get a story. About a group of scientist freaking out about what they create and how the marketing sector of SSC still wants to be more "flashy"
Sadly, they misspell it and ended up being "fleshy"
5:30 Duskwing is a mech that I like the design (four arms? cool as hell), I like the license (becoming a Tron bike) and the lore is so so so good
But I never think much about it, it never is THE MECH i will show to introduce Lancer to someone, what makes him being a B for me
"I need to go faster" my brother in RA, I don't have anything else to listen to while working on my computer. What would I do instead, load up an Hbomberguy rant I've already seen 5 times? There's a limit to how often I can rewatch Roblox Oof.
I enjoy your shorter content, but feel free to upload longer rants like this from time to time and please don't be shy on the length.
BattleTech, not Lancer, but check out The Black Pants Legion.
OOooooh, the real one now!
There are two kinds of Lancer tier lists. Goblin at the highest rank and goblin at the lowest rank.
Some of my favorites are in the lower tiers but I think its a pretty good sign that the majority of the frames are within the top 2. For most games that is but a dream all on its own.
I am also glad I saw this because I didnt realise another campaign was out with more frames. So I have that now.
1:05:28 I really like the story of the real Stortebeker and the lore behind the Lancer one, an minor industry trying to give a new spin into the Raleigh only to be bought off by IPS-N
Plus, it is the Bloodborne Mech
1:31 I confess that the Atlas is one that the memes are kinda always the same, but I get the hype. Just like Calliban, being the SMALL MAN WHO WILL TORN THEM TO SHREDS. I like the Karrakin marcial arts lore and how YOU NEED TO LEARN TO USE THIS MECH OR YOU ARE SCREWED!
But... It never makes me WANTS to play it that much
I would put it in the B section, because I like, there is good memes, all right the lore is cool and I always see here and there stuff from the license in some builds
In my first encounter I am setting up is that the Lancers will be helping a frontier colony take care of a Goblin problem. Basically all of this colony's technology is turning against them and its secretly because Horus is on the planet as well.
Can you make a second part to this video. Covering the expansion books that add new official mechs? 😁 I really want to see the Lycan from the Winter scare book. I think that’s the name of the book? 🤔
41:11 I really like the concept of the Tortuga being this Overwatch Mech, the shotgun mecha, I like the Catalytic Hammer! But I just can't see him past B
35:44 Balor deserves an S, did you know how many other mechas and soldiers he consumed only to deserve this place??
Jokes aside, I still want for more art of Balor and other Hórus frames showing this "they don't look alike most of the time", or even showing the Balor "coming out" of a different frame
I love goblin because of the way it messes with things, I never play goblin because mech=big gun in my head. But I appreciate every goblin that has taken on the role of hacker man so I could Big GUN
Superheavy mounting would like to know your location
My brain. It desires more lancer content. But also likes your other content too. But still desires more lancerrrrrr. Aaaaaaggggghhhhh.
49:12 the Swallowtail is one I find fantastic for the design, the gameplay seems fun and it's a part of the Lancer gameplay being explored, being the buff support, giving +1's... But I don't know. I will stick with you in this one. Low B High C for the Swallowtail
SMH on the Tokugawa take. Just because HA is the most militaristic doesn’t mean they don’t invest heavily in exotic and bespoke technologies to get an upper hand over their rivals.
I personally see the Tokugawa as very fitting of how the HA runs its social hierarchy, which is a ruthless meritocracy. HA officers are the exact kinds of people who will take on the maximum amount of risk for the maximum potential gain. Like its namesake, it rides the razor’s edge between life and death to achieve total victory.
Plus, only bad Tokugawa pilots die horribly. The ones who actually know how to manage their heat are the ones you should be terrified of.
So true bestie. I feel a big aspect of what HA is is being overlooked with that rating.
47:14 The Manticore is a tricky one. Part of me would put it in C and other wants to embrace everything about him and put in S or A
When I got into lancer and was showing my gf the barbarossa, she said it looked like it was holding a lunch box, and that has permanently made the barbarossa feel like a giant toddler with a massive cannon
The Enkidu is one of my favorites because it's so funny, when you make it fast and invisible when you take LL into death mark
I love, LOVE Genghis mk1 easily my favorite. My character got his Mech from his great-Grandpappy who got it new off the line, he doesn't know what it was used for only that it kicks ass and melts them too. Lore wise S, damage S, role-playing factor S. Love this thing!
1 point that I'd put in Gorgon's favor (and it's a nitty-gritty one, but hear me out) is that it's solidly in contention as one of the best frames for an Iconoclast build. Most other Horus frames with an in-license NHP just aren't fit to operate at the required range.
It still needs another NHP license to bring out the talent's full potential, but pretty much all of them do, and I don't think anything says "Horus" quite like shoving four different Cthulu AIs (including two homegrown ones- one of which is utterly cracked from the get-go) into one mech and then using them to strike your enemies with eldritch lightning bolts as you float around the battlefield.
32:47 the Morning Cloak and the Nelson are two that I enjoy the lore and I know how much Nelson is used, but I cannot give them something more than a high B. Maybe a Low A? I don't know, they just don't vibe that much with me
1:13:00 it's funny how both Genghis evoke much of the same energy, memes and love, but Enkidu and Tokugawa? I feel like they are different beast.
Kind of follows in one being a direct MK.2 and the other being a redesign of a lethal prototype.
@@Zaktact Fair! But I find interesting seeing how much commentary and love Enkidu evoke while Tokugawa is far away from that
The roller mine is good for the Barbarossa cause it allows you to attack within range 5 when you have siege stabilizers down. Also 1d6+3 is great nade damage.
The pegasus reminds me so much of those artificial angels from the end of Neon Genisis: Evangelion, this mech has always been sitting up high on my list of mechs I want to do a build for
I love that almost every IPS-N Chasis is in S Tier.
You could seriously bring out each of them as a short and I'd click on them without a second thought o0
Id like to see the Saladin , Nepolion, and Sunzu working together in a team i think it would be so interesting
i would like to bring up how the ISKANDER should not be a size 2 it dosnt look like its big, it even has a skirt for some reason they make a giant skirt for this thing
It could have a Variant Frame of Iskander as a Size 3 called Alexander
The only thing wrong with the blackbeard is that it's grappling hooks propel from its waist, and it's not a massive hook-hand
19:48 The Drake is one of those that ain't fabulous, but it is PRATICAL. It is what it is, and there is a charm to that. I like the weapons from that license, from the cannon to the shield (I like shields, and Drake is one of the only you actually HAS a shield and not just a deployable one)
It's a STRONG B
Yeah, I definitely agree that the Tortuga is what the industrials (incidentally, my favourite aesthetic xD) should look like
30:51 Theres what now, used as components for the morning cloak ??? God mfing damn, what in the five nights at freddies
Welcome to SSC. We'll take our body horror subtle and fashionable.
@@Zaktact There's always something you say about SSC that completely blindsides me lmao. Like i think I've gotten the extent of it and than BAM.
I respect a vibes tierlist as the mechanics are alot more complicated to go into
Pegasus was the License that got me to try the Lancer ttrpg.
Someone showed me it on COMP/CON and I just went “this is big wife”
27:11 I share a lot of the feelings for the Sunzi. It never appeal for me, the design the play style. BUT I have seen how much builds have just "take one license from it", and this makes me put it on a Low B/High C
I've seen a grand total of 1 (one) video about LANCER and had never heard about it until now but if the Drake doesn't get S tier I will *riot*
18:32 Pegasus is just an S
It's one of the iconic mech you will talk about to introduce Lancer, the weird mech with a gun that doesn't exist
The concept and gameplay? Really cool, plus it really feels like a Hórus Frame, dealing if probability
Design wise? DAMN! The Evangelion-like apareance, the hands, the head
Pegasus is just an easy S, but I can see it being a Low S or a High A
Okay now do Smash or Pass.
I play a Caliban, I smash everything
14:40 WHY NOT MECH TIES?
Jokes aside, I really grew up to apreaciate Black Witch, thanks to your video. I really like the lore, the whole Karrakin idea of being the "most typical security mech"
I would put in a high B
I haven’t had a chance to play Lancer but the mechs that have my interest most are the Drake, Saladin, Monarch and the Pegasus. Though knowing my group I’ll be the DM for every session if I could convince them to play Lancer. 😅
FYI, the Zheng is based on the Raleigh, not the Nelson
I will disagree with the sunzi. As i believe they are the exact nature of HA in the current lore of Lancer, being the new kid on the block who break all the conventions and have no respect for anything to the point of stealing tech and calling it their own. I agree the sunzi looks not-HA but it is the point which circles back around to be akin to HA. Especially as the chassis itself looks like a modified and upsized napoleon which is really peak.
Overhaul great vid but i needed to try and convince you of sunzi's greatness
54:29 Napoleon is one I never gave too much attention, so I understand anyone who puts him in C
Like... The Blinkspace stuff? Is cool. Being a 1/2 frame? Is cool. Haha short man jokes? Overused, but okay, it's cool.
But I never managed to being interested on him, or wanted to figure him out
I have heard there is a Variant of him coming out soon, so let's see whats that can generate
Störtebecker the pirate who walked 15 meters whithout head
46:19 following the spirit of a true samurai, Tokugawa loves some guns
And I get the D. I like their Core Power, the idea of LIVING IN THE DANZER ZONE, but if I would play "him", I would just pick an Enkidu
I do want to point out that the Zheng doesn't have an integrated weapon. the D/D 288 (the fist) is just part of the license and can be put on any mech.
If I am playing a mech that can carry a superheavy weapon (either by default or by taking Superheavy Mounting), it is my moral imperative to equip it with the D/D 288.
I use the Barbarossa as a striker half the time. Size 3's with titanomachy mesh are really good. I have one that has 33 movent in a turn and can teleport.
uh oh hes gotten into the tierlist industry
A truly terrifying development.
I feel so happy seeing so many ISPN designs in S tier.
I like my murder forklifts.