Dissecting Ironman Kona: The Bike Course
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- We have decided to come back out to Kona for some testing with the team. We are looking forward to sharing what we captured with you guys over the next few weeks. This style of video will be a bit different from the standard video. Here is a video of us testing my lactate and weight loss on the Ironman World Championship Bike course with a bit of sarcasm.
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I am quite surprised at the number of haters commenting about the testing;everything that’s wrong etc etc.
The bottom line is this: the separation between The top 30-50 world class Ironman triathletes is razor thin. Lionel hasn’t won it yet.....he needs to close the gap. Is data going to be the end all answer? Probably not, but it’s certainly not going to hurt him. This stuff may also provide a confidence boost for him mentally when the race comes....he’s done this testing in the lab but wanted to do it on the actual course. Sure....it can all go down the tubes if he becomes undisciplined on race day. But the better he knows his body, the better he can tweak his strategy...pretty smart I’d say.
The guy is human....relatable. He’s made boneheaded mistakes....it’s frustrating....but man I can’t help but root for him.
Exactly, Jonathan! I agree with your view. Anything we can learn, as spectators, then great and good for Lionel to try and improve/learn in other areas.
Brilliantly said. All of these coaches in the comments can go focus on their own athletes.
Amen Jonathan. The world is slowly cottoning on to the fact that anyone who posts mindless hate online is just insecure and venting online because they lack the fibre to do it in reality.
I think it’s unbelievable that a pro at this level shares this information and testing feedback to the public and in all view of his competitors, big respect
Everyone knows what goes into it... ALOT AND ALOT of volume. It is the specific day in day out training that is interesting, his competeors are already doing this... Just consistency and time it takes is very overwhealming to think.
@The Millennial Triathlete yep. But they're indirectly going for course PBs.
New to watching the sport myself. I only road bike and run. Useless in the pool.
If the strong swimmers get a lead and can maintain they pretty much " win" anyways.
That is why i'm guessing lucy charles has such goof placing.
I do 320 watts for 2 minutes....soooo maybe in 7.3 shape?
seulberg lala muahaha best comment
Looking at Kona results the past few years, Lionel you are right there man! Keep pushin
"I would have been able to drink one more bottle for the rest of the race ... And I'm thirsty so stupid" Lionel Love your sence of humour. Good luck this year.
* would have *
These videos are very well done and are great motivation. Thanks to Lionel, Talbot, David, and Erin!
Always watch Lionel for inspiration &/or a good laugh. Talbot great work on the film & editing amazing content!
This is some Rocky IV, Ivan Drago shit right here. Haha
Really enjoy this content Talbot! I look forward to seeing how this training season progresses for Lionel and how the things learned from testing are implemented. Thanks for putting this out there for us to watch.
Got a good feeling for Lionel this year. Nice job TC on the video
Can't wait for the Run part. Epic series you Guys are doing
Awesome! Previous vid was sucha a high quality . Cant wait for this one
I absolutely LOVE this series. I also enjoyed the narration as I know you have insights to Lionel and Tim and Rinny and Gwen that their coaches probably don't even have. Thanks for bringing this to us fans.
Thank you for sharing, you're living a true dream my friend, what a chance on this earth. Good luck for your competitions this year.
Good to see the work going into not blowing up in Kona again. Good luck this year Lionel!
Thanks for the video TC - always good watches.
Come to frankfurt Lionel, every one is starting in challenge roth a week later... so the kona slotts are up for grabs this year at frankfurt
That's so true! I'm gonna be in Roth to watch the spectacle, can't wait!
Lionel probably should get his slot in SG then race Roth
Loved this video! I get super pumped every time I watch Lionel.
Lionel is going to need a dart set for Christmas!
So interesting! Even me as an age grouper can just simply do this and extrapolate a nutrition plan! Love this stuff! Go team Lionel; lets put Jan under pressure!
16:40 Is such a Lionel Motivational moment ...
Amazing keep it up !!!
Good work with the music, and the edit going along
Great content. Good series. Thank you for posting
Glad to see that you're taking the training to the next level!
“Do you feel like you could win Kona this year?” Lionel- “Don’t effin piss me off!” 😂 this guy is great
Looking forward to this. Swim video was great.
Respect to David, pro dude 🙌
Great to see this being done. Having a coach and a set nutrition plan is going to make a huge difference
Hahaha love this video Talbot. Thanks so much for sharing. The spongebob part was gold. And i think Lionel will make a great transition to darts once he puts Frodeno under pressure. 😄
"Ironman race pace is pretty slow". I wish my fast was your slow Lionel! Lots of support from the UK. You're an inspiration dude. #nolimits
awesome content! well done!
17:52 song is Ava Low - Casual Chic
Tembot Kerefov and the first song?
Was that a little bit of Scottish Lionel? “That’s just great” 😂🏴
This man is great. What a gift to sport! He could try an actor career after triathlon
i'm looking forward to the new Dart series youtube channel!
I really hope there's a trip to a wind tunnel planned this year as another scientific "box to check" (and a video for it of course 😀👍).
LMAO those poor toes!! Training for the Ironman the first thing that went was my cute feet. I feel like one day I cut half my toe off just trying to get rid of this corn I developed to paint what was left of my toenail lol.
Brilliant work.
AWESOME, YOU ARE TOP 👍👌👏👏👏👏.
Beast. The lion is fierce
Go, go!!! 💪
Really good add to have your insight Talbot
Great music in this series Talbot!
I don't understand why those measurements make sense. Temperature and humidity are very different in October. Therefore heartrate will be much higher, which will increase the sweat rate.
Wish you all the best, Lionel!
Interesting rewatching this video after the 2021 recap video that Lionel just now figured sodium is important to him. Wasn’t all of data obtained during this testing used?
Over thinking is lionels biggest mistake. I can relate to this guy. I’m the same
Lionel / Talbot , again fantastic stuff. I think this is your best video not only of Lionel but of your triathlete series. Question - 4 lbs loss in 2 hrs is a lot. What is the theory around sodium ? What kind of sodium levels are in the Gatorade bottles you are drinking in the rides?
i love the "do you think you will be able to win kona this year?"
You should go to Roth!! It will be great!!
Ha!!! He is talking to his watch, like knight rider, first time i see that in reality. 8P ... :D
Love the vids Lionel
“Do you have any idea what Ironman...” Lionel- “I have exactly what idea..” “Can we make that public?” Lionel- “you can do whatever you want” 😂 spoken like only he can. I love this guy
320 watts for 2 hours. See ya later. 😂😂
Randomly warming up with my best 20' avg, SEE YA!
Vamos Lionellllll!
Hey lionel. What about coming to Germany this summer to race IM Frankfurt? You would be definitely cheered on by some crazy german fans. Think about it...
Lionel,
Really appreciate all the effort. I suggest you get in touch with Dr Phil Maffetone, if you haven’t already. He was instrumental in Mark Allen’s success at Kona.
What about the wind tunnel? He has to improve aerodinamics
Guess I will see you two at STG then 💪🏼❤️💥
Great Video 👍🏻
What was the weight loss result for the second test? (And Lionel, from those of us fighting our own amateur battles with dehydration/hyponatremia, thanks for being one very fast canary in a coal mine!)
Gatorade wants your sweat rate information. I believe they are going to provide chemtrails for Kona 2020.
More Lionel post workout rants :D
I would have thought the forearms wouldn't be such a great place to measure sweat as the arm is cooled by the wind? Guess not!
Yo I'm gonna be at St. George this year too, except i'm hoping to push 225w for 5 hours, not 320
How relevant are the dat points for segments that don’t actually represent his physiological state following the swim? Likewise, he will run in a different physiological state following the bike and if this isn’t factored into his data points during the run testing, are they valid indicators of future performance?
his warm up is my 20min ftp test
Lies about zwift weight... I'm on to you ⚡🚴♂️
How do you determine your ability to take on stress and still perform at your fullest? I had just got back into tri this last year after a 10 year break. I noticed I'm not so anxious to jump into a bunch of races like I use to. Of course it's not my job where I need to bring home some bacon through prize money. But, it seems that there is some consensus that an individual only has a couple strong races in them a year. When are you recovering from the season? It appears you have a strong work ethic but could you be working too hard - too soon - too much?
Based on lactate, what are Lionels training zones?
What was with that random Josh Amberger impression?
T.C "Look a little chubby"
L.S "Mx"
Lol
wow... so many lactate test may take LS to need a blood transfusion....
100% of the IM world champions never had a car accident while not having their seatbelt on ... You are putting so much efforts in this quest... Do not ruin everything for stupid things like this... Thanks for sharing and keep focusing... It will pay off !!
"(This is sarcasm)" 😂
Did he have to do the 2h without consuming anything or did you took into account anything he ate/drank?
Coffee and Chill he drank fluids and they weighed them.
@@TalbotCoxMedia Thanks! Good luck this season, Lionel, as a person who has overcame addiction and rose to be one of the best athletes in the world is the best inspiration to people like me, currently struggling with mental health. Keep up the good work
Lionel, when are the Zwift national championship races?
What size LG helmet do you wear?
does sweat rate change over time or levels of exertion? If so, cutting up the course like this doesn't make sense. Please address this issue!
Hey Lionel,what pedals you using in the video pls?
What is his race weight going to be?
Zwift weight lol
Stay safe will you? I am kinda worry seeing a clip of you riding with out any escort car. Cheer!!!
Someone please tell me what those red sunglasses he’s wearing are
Oakleys
At some point, perhaps after a few more thousands of video filming hours, Talbot Cox may learn how to focus properly. For example to not rely on auto focus all the time, as when he - as often happens - misses a focus point it keeps the background tack sharp and the main subject(s) all out of focus despite them being at a fixed, predictable distance from his camera. Nah.
Christer Berg bro chill lol. I was shooting on a GH5 which the auto focus sucks...
@@TalbotCoxMedia Kick it out of auto focus. No reason to use auto focus when your subject is not moving, distance-wise from the camera. This is just my personal feedback. You create a lot of content. A lot of good content. The thing that consistently bogs down the quality of the videos - and the viewer doesn't care what equipment you use so long as it looks (and sounds) good - is lack of main subject focus. Just my ten cents.
Dont watch then flog
Luke Stratford Ah, that’s your solution. You have some feedback on how things can be, in your opinion, improved but instead you run the other way. Great plan. You must be very successful in all you do.
Every world tour rider goes through this sort of testing.... A LOT. its a thing, its real, gives real data for real program planning to give you the “marginal gain” ( as they call it) over the guys beating you on the last km or the last hour of racing. All the guys winning have this data and have a training plan based on it....If you guys dont get that then thats fine, but dont armchair-expert comment saying its bulshit, because it most def is not. World tour teams are not in the business of wasting money on thing that dont give the results, they spend a lot fo their budget on this data for a reason.
so casual: 2 hours at 320w.... :-)
Any idea of his FTP?
SO NO ONE ELSE IS BOTHERED BY THE FACT THAT HE AINT WEARING HIS SEATBELT
More bothered by your all caps sentence, use of the word “ain’t,” and lack of punctuation at the end of the sentence. 🤣
Jaden Drews this is RUclips not an essay mate
that cadence only looks like 85 to 80, maybe he should pace his cadence too, i find that helps me.
LOL.
The problem with Lionel is that every year he swings the pendulum in the polar opposite direction from the year before. How many times has he gone from self-coached to “I need a team of people around me!”.... Every time he drags other people onto his team, he either gets injured or turns up flat in Kona. The dude just needs to RACE rather than obsess over all this nonsense....
I agree. he needs to just have a consistent prep of solid training, none of this experimental stuff.
Too much science and not enough wheel to wheel racing. All the prep is based on what happened during the last race, not on what may happen in the next race. Man to man competition requires flexibility, a willingness to toss out the plan and reset midrace.
Ever considered fat adaptation?
Wonder what he'll do if he wins.... I mean the last 3 to 4 years have been Kona Kona Kona.... what's next? Where's the real value? I understand he's a pro with obligations to win, but after watching all his videos, and I dont know him personally, I kinda feel sorry for him. Just seems everything is about Kona. I think I'd enjoy seeing him have some balance but what do I know?
Add substitles please!!
at my place we say: "The donkey only goes once on ice"
translated into Spanish, thanks
IS that meant to be an Aussie accent
He needs some proper aero bars and he'll save close to 12watts. So much shit not optimised on the bike
He raced his first Ironman in 2020. And is this really the first time he does these kind of tests to prepare himself for the upcoming season? Really?
Every professional athlete who takes his training seriously does this at least once every year.
Lionel has talent. No doubt about that. But his attitude doesn’t match up. And his ego prevents him from winning Kona.
And with the new incredibly fast new athletes moving up from the 70.3 circuit, it will become really hard for him to ever stand on the top podium spot in Kona.
Control illusion, I'm afraid
(This is sarcasm)...
Is it though? Lol
Kill it