No mercy!!! I love this guy! And for those that will say that Tadej should have left the win to Jonas, remember that this is a race and not a philanthropic/charity event..
i am pretty sure he asked jonas in the last hundred meters if he wants the stage, but he denied. if it would be a real fight, there wouldnt be any conversation in the last hundred meters
Considering just how much ground he made sprinting, I don't think it's a conversation that made sense to begin with. Considering Pogi was in Jonas wheel for most of the climb I kinda get the sentiment, but it's not like it was close enough at the end to where you could even argue it was purely race tactics (Jonas being forced to go all out to gain time on Remco where Pogacar didn't have any such obligation) that got him the win
Should also not forget that it's pretty common that the winner splits the prizemoney for the stage victory with the team mates. So NOT trying to win would also disrespect them for the work they've done
@@anklepick9524 almost everybody said that cuz it was clear pog wasnt in top form last year as jonas isnt this year. The only year where the two were really both fighting and in form was 2022 but it was a 1vs visma
Well the moment Jonas flipped the elbow, it was like go take your stage my work here is done, I think Jonas staying to his wheel made pogi think Jonas was trying to trick him for a final spring and he attacked immendiately
Saw some say that Vingegaard refused Pogi's bottle. If you see it again, Pogi's helper could not reach him with the bottle, so JV offered to pass it on to him. Pogi then offered him the bottle in return but he didn't need it. Two amazing sportsmen, that despite rivalry remain respectful of each other.
@@h8erofhypocracy711 No haha, Marc Soler thought Jonas wants the bidon for himself and was like “Get lost mate” then Pog felt bad about it and offered it to Jonas. I laughed my arse off. 😂😂
Amazing Tadej! ❤ Simply unbeatable on this Tour. It was great to watch, hats off to Jonas and Remco for giving Pogi a battle and to the rest of these gladiators!
The most dominant I have seen in the modern era of the Tour de France. Chapeau Pogacar. A special mention to Remco who I thought impressed in his first tour.
This domination raises some question: how can he push so hard almost every day? And the speed, he is much faster than Lance Armstrong. And we know that Lance was using some potent additives 😂 Not just Pogi, Jonas too. They are on another level. It can't be all natural...
@@bogdanescu03 it’s not just Pogacar but also VIN and Remco who are breaking climbing records from people like Marco Pantani who was arguably a better climber than Armstrong. I think altitude camps, better diets, better transportation, better more defined training, slightly lighter and more controllable bicycles. I hope they are all not doping like last time. But I just don’t think that is the case. Pogacar is a once in generation talent who just like Merckx has that cannibalistic ethos in him 👊. Leading from the front will win races, people concentrate on drafting and tactics too much. If you have the legs and the will to win, a true champion just goes for it!
Beat them all Pogi whenever you can becasue they will never have marcy on you. This is not an exhibition race nor a fund raising event..this is a race to rewrite history and become a legend in cycling. Vingo thank you for fine and honourable display...it was exciting because you decided to participate. REMCO...GOOD job boy, you are learning and gaining experience..you displayed a wonderful performance
We'll have to wait until next year to see JV in top condition again at the Tour, amazing he's done so well still recovering from that crash, but there is no doubt Pog rode incredibly this year.
Ive lived through the crazy 90s era of cycling, but this is on a whole other level. Not even Indurain or Lance were so dominant or complete all year round.
This is Jonas' best ride in perhaps the last 30 TdF stages. He drove with Remco and Poggi literally without the help of the team. He fought for second place in the GC. Overtook those who escaped him for a few minutes. He showed more in the last 8 km than in the previous 30 stages. In the end, he ran out of strength and gestured with his left hand to Poggi to pass because he was exhausted. When Poggi jumped, Jonas just stood up in order to give it his all and finish the stage.
Jonas is exceptional. He displayed true grit! What an act of courage and determination after surviving that tremendous accident. To me, he's the true champion of the tour regardless of rank and position.
The most intense is stage 19 and stage 20. Congrats Tadef remains humble to your opponent. Love to see you both Jonas fighting near in the finish line😊😊😊
If he was such an angel why did he not help Almeida secure 4th place? Remco and Jonas was no threat to him. Almeida has busted his ass for him this tour. Would have been a nice gesture from him.
@@trebleseamen I guess because Almeida was not good enough to keep up with the big 3, and once those are up front, with time and standings at stake ( for Jonas and Remco) there just was no way he would keep up and go for that win.
This tour has been a great conditioning event for Jonas , The win was always out of reach but in every other respect its got his body back into fighting mode .
Jonas is exceptional. He displayed true grit! What an act of courage and determination after surviving that tremendous accident. To me, he's the true champion of the tour regardless of rank and position.
I feel sorry for Jonas. Too many of his fans are miserable, whining haters, desperate to make any excuse on his behalf (where Jonas himself makes none). The wholly unfounded accusations of Pogi doping are about as low as you can get. Jonas deserves a better fanbase than this.
No matter how much greatness were all witnessing and how iinfluential Pogacar and Vingegaard are I'll never be convinced that that Giro and Met road helmet are ever cool :(
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤴🚵🚀🏆🥇🙏🔝✅ Pa si ZMAGO ŠE TUKAJ SEM VEDLA da ti to ZMOREŠ BRAVOOO BRAVO BRAVO LEGENDAAA NAJAČI KOLESAR NA SVETU ZLATI SI PONOSNI SMO NA TEBE VSI TVOJI NAVIJAČI🙏🙂🌞 ❤️😘🤗POGI TEAM 👏💪🇸🇮 🤗😘😘😘😘👏👏👏👏🫶🌞💪❤️🔥🌍☘️
@@denmark2680 Why? Was the tour shorter than expected or something? This year he was no match for Pogacar with or without excuses. After the last two defeats Pogacar knew what he needed to change and he did. See if Jonas can respond next year but I think he will have a harder time to fight with Remco for the second place.
it looks like he dont know how to make it less obvious that he is on another level. after stage 19th he said he will go easy with peloton and wont attack. but he just couldnt help with all the energy he had. look at that explosion.... he could have attacked at 8km left to go again,but he just tried to stay calm and dont make it to obvious... look at thay acceleration at the end? wtf was that? 3500 watts?
Rewatching this time and time again-the most striking was the ease with which the top 2 riders caught up with Mas and Carapaz-some of the best mountain riders in the world. And Jonas and Pog caught up with them and dropped them like they were just some amateurs who got in the way of their training session...🤣😂
Racing is racing respect is respect for your competitors which is seen in the history of the TDF. Everyone will eventually have a Bad year whether crashes or illnesses. Been an exciting tour otherwise
I'm waiting for next year when Vingegaard is back to full strength. It was a bit of a let down this year to have Pog just dominate so thoroughly. I mean, no disrespect to him, he was amazing, but the Tour was not as dramatic as the last few years.
Enquanto Pogačar tá cumprindo o horário de expediente, Carapaz faz caretas e não consegue acompanhar, além do que, Pogačar deu a oportunidade a Vingegaard a atacar nos últimos metros e ganhar a etapa com dignidade, mas, ele preferiu não fazer o ataque para não parecer uma bondade cedida pelo campeão.
Pogacar is almost bored at the end..Actually he definitely is…. There is simply no competition.. Pogi loves riding but now he fights a battle against himself like Mondo Duplantis in pole vault.. really difficult if you are not truly dedicated
Vingegaard flicked the elbow, Pogacar came through. That's the way to do it. Unlike stage 11, I think Pogacar really wanted this one but there's no way he'd have sat on Vingegaard's wheel all the way up and then taken the stage. Pogacar won this one honourably. He had no need to help Vingegaard because Vingegaard was putting time into Remco and that was their issue. Carapaz was wheel sucking and looking for another chance -so glad they rode the limpet off their wheels; horrible rider.
Congrats Tadej your performance is from another planet. You have not only the best team but also the best doctor. This guy could sprinted till sunset. Scary. 🙄.
No mercy!!! I love this guy! And for those that will say that Tadej should have left the win to Jonas, remember that this is a race and not a philanthropic/charity event..
i am pretty sure he asked jonas in the last hundred meters if he wants the stage, but he denied. if it would be a real fight, there wouldnt be any conversation in the last hundred meters
Considering just how much ground he made sprinting, I don't think it's a conversation that made sense to begin with. Considering Pogi was in Jonas wheel for most of the climb I kinda get the sentiment, but it's not like it was close enough at the end to where you could even argue it was purely race tactics (Jonas being forced to go all out to gain time on Remco where Pogacar didn't have any such obligation) that got him the win
Should also not forget that it's pretty common that the winner splits the prizemoney for the stage victory with the team mates. So NOT trying to win would also disrespect them for the work they've done
Right on!
@@sirclemeni1 the moment Vingagard flips his elbow I knew they had a conversation before
How could you not respect Jonas? What an incredible competitor and fighter. A true legend…
And nobody talks about STEF CRASS who suffered similar injuries and also is back.
Nobody said that about Pogacar last year.
@@anklepick9524 he broke his wrist.
@@anklepick9524 almost everybody said that cuz it was clear pog wasnt in top form last year as jonas isnt this year. The only year where the two were really both fighting and in form was 2022 but it was a 1vs visma
Well the moment Jonas flipped the elbow, it was like go take your stage my work here is done, I think Jonas staying to his wheel made pogi think Jonas was trying to trick him for a final spring and he attacked immendiately
Carapaz is a warrior, consecutive days in attack mode and he gave it his all till the very end.
Carapaz é um orgulho da America latina.
#1, #11, and #111 racing together 😮🎉.
Saw some say that Vingegaard refused Pogi's bottle. If you see it again, Pogi's helper could not reach him with the bottle, so JV offered to pass it on to him. Pogi then offered him the bottle in return but he didn't need it. Two amazing sportsmen, that despite rivalry remain respectful of each other.
@@h8erofhypocracy711 No haha, Marc Soler thought Jonas wants the bidon for himself and was like “Get lost mate” then Pog felt bad about it and offered it to Jonas. I laughed my arse off. 😂😂
Then why didn't he take it afterwards if he wanted it? JV saw that Soler couldn't reach Pogi so he tries to help. Watch it again.
@@h8erofhypocracy711 Yes I know, but Soler thought differently, that’s why I laughed…😂
What time mark, please?
Gotcha 😁 yeah that was funny!
Two great riders enjoy watching both of them. Well done Tadej and Jonas on this 2024 tour.
Amazing Tadej! ❤ Simply unbeatable on this Tour. It was great to watch, hats off to Jonas and Remco for giving Pogi a battle and to the rest of these gladiators!
@@lukadobo4769 There was never a battle today, Pog rode at about 80%.
6:28 moto cop yeets the spectator back into the crowd 😂
The most dominant I have seen in the modern era of the Tour de France. Chapeau Pogacar. A special mention to Remco who I thought impressed in his first tour.
there's still the drag race for rainbow jersey pride tomorrow. time will tell.
I agree with you. I never seen anyone better than Pogacar!
This domination raises some question: how can he push so hard almost every day? And the speed, he is much faster than Lance Armstrong. And we know that Lance was using some potent additives 😂 Not just Pogi, Jonas too. They are on another level. It can't be all natural...
@@bogdanescu03 it’s not just Pogacar but also VIN and Remco who are breaking climbing records from people like Marco Pantani who was arguably a better climber than Armstrong. I think altitude camps, better diets, better transportation, better more defined training, slightly lighter and more controllable bicycles. I hope they are all not doping like last time. But I just don’t think that is the case. Pogacar is a once in generation talent who just like Merckx has that cannibalistic ethos in him 👊. Leading from the front will win races, people concentrate on drafting and tactics too much. If you have the legs and the will to win, a true champion just goes for it!
Beat them all Pogi whenever you can becasue they will never have marcy on you. This is not an exhibition race nor a fund raising event..this is a race to rewrite history and become a legend in cycling.
Vingo thank you for fine and honourable display...it was exciting because you decided to participate.
REMCO...GOOD job boy, you are learning and gaining experience..you displayed a wonderful performance
After finish this tour.allrider take adrug test
Beautiful. How did people always wanted breakaway group to win? GC guys fighting for stage win is fantastic to see.
because with a breakaway win you basically see 2 races in 1
Man, he just pulls away, whenever wherever he wants.
The lady with the sign almost took Pogi out! 😩 the fans are too close
We'll have to wait until next year to see JV in top condition again at the Tour, amazing he's done so well still recovering from that crash, but there is no doubt Pog rode incredibly this year.
6:30 best move ever
New pogi vitamins are doing good
@@diogo6037jonas vitamines also working😂
@@Sacarac doesnt look like that pogi new trainer is crazy for him ahahah
Jonas never cracked during this tour. He lost time because he's not at his best, but he never cracked. That's a huge victory.
The best thing to see at this Tour
😂 yes… maybe
Well... if you say so. 😂
Keep telling yourself that, losing 1:45 in about 8k's isn't cracking, its full on blowing apart!
pog's in top form too, hard to beat that
For all those says Pogi should of gifted the stage to Jonas, pretty sure Jonas wouldn't want a stage gifted to him.
Absolutely right. Phil Liggett is a dreamer.
Not true. Jonas said in the interview he hoped Pogi would let him have the stage win
Why would ppl want him to give a win to Jonas? So weak. No mercy ffs
@@biggestfanofrogerno he didn't
He still got a lot in the tank, insane performance
PEDS will do that.
Ive lived through the crazy 90s era of cycling, but this is on a whole other level. Not even Indurain or Lance were so dominant or complete all year round.
Tadej could have climbed another mountain after this. He looked so fresh at the end.
Armstrong 2.0 😂
He reserved energy for ITT tomorrow
Bravo Tadej👍👍
This is Jonas' best ride in perhaps the last 30 TdF stages.
He drove with Remco and Poggi literally without the help of the team.
He fought for second place in the GC. Overtook those who escaped him for a few minutes. He showed more in the last 8 km than in the previous 30 stages. In the end, he ran out of strength and gestured with his left hand to Poggi to pass because he was exhausted.
When Poggi jumped, Jonas just stood up in order to give it his all and finish the stage.
Jonas is exceptional. He displayed true grit! What an act of courage and determination after surviving that tremendous accident. To me, he's the true champion of the tour regardless of rank and position.
The most intense is stage 19 and stage 20. Congrats Tadef remains humble to your opponent. Love to see you both Jonas fighting near in the finish line😊😊😊
Jonas reminding Evenepoel that there is no "Big 3".
Well, there obviously is, hater. It's Remco's first Tour de France, and his team is nowhere near Visma or UAE.
Wait until tomorrow
@@FPRXhis team is quite good. Visma doesnt have a much better team
@@FPRX Jonas almost had to die for Evenepoel to look like he is "in it". Next year it will not be this "close" (3+)
and pogacar reminding Jonas there is no big 2.
POGAČAR 😊🙌👍♥️🇸🇮✌️
buuuuuuu hateful
@@claus4952butthurt a? 😂😂
Shoutout to the fan and then also motorbike passenger who tried to move and shove that “fan” running right alongside Pog and Jonas 🙌🏻
Wow, just awesome. Thank you.
Let it be never said again Pog doesn’t allow the others to race. He had the patience of an angel today, letting all the others shine. King.
If he was such an angel why did he not help Almeida secure 4th place? Remco and Jonas was no threat to him. Almeida has busted his ass for him this tour. Would have been a nice gesture from him.
i am pretty sure he asked jonas in the end if he wanted the stage and jonas said he should take it. absolute masterclass in sportsmanship.
@@trebleseamen That would mean he’d lose time to Jonas and Remco man, isn’t it obvious?
@@trebleseamen I guess because Almeida was not good enough to keep up with the big 3, and once those are up front, with time and standings at stake ( for Jonas and Remco) there just was no way he would keep up and go for that win.
Big 2 not big 3...@TerranigmaQuintet
If you are gifted a stage like this, you take it.
Only a fool will say otherwise🤭
Nobody gifted pogacar this stage wdym.
This tour has been a great conditioning event for Jonas , The win was always out of reach but in every other respect its got his body back into fighting mode .
I'm a Pogacar fan but Vingegaard has been brilliant. I think many of us are already looking forward to next year's Tour.
Lot of respect for Jonas. Mark of a true champion.
Bravo Pogi, amazing performance. Wow, a lot of Slovenian flags.
super doping
@@claus4952 Keep crying
@@claus4952 prove it😭
6:21 that knob with the phone lol. Gets put in his place.
Then the guy in yellow a few seconds later who gets shoved by the motorcycle crew!
@@batmonkey Haha yeah, saw that too. Good to see.
@@Cheximus😂
Amazing stage. Sad thing is I've got more to say about that tarmac, it's prestine. As someone from the UK I'm very jealous.
very controlled and smart move for Tadej. Enjoy the TT tomorrow!
Bravo Jonas, you had the strongest performance today!
Exactly
Carapaz is a fighter!
Can we all agree we can’t wait for next year already. And hope and prey all these riders come back healthy and ready to RUMBLE
A que buen video Gracias cuando vienen a México ni abrazo desde Querétaro México
Mano y Mano 🚴🇵🇭 Salute to JV. He didn't went down without putting up a fight. Heart ❤ of a champion..
Jonas is exceptional. He displayed true grit! What an act of courage and determination after surviving that tremendous accident. To me, he's the true champion of the tour regardless of rank and position.
Pog doesn't even look out of breath, only out the saddle to sprint. Quite the performance. He's vastly ahead of last year.
Molto grande, Tade!
a bombe si
@@claus4952
Fa male la totale disfatta ad opera di Tadej..😂
A bit scary that he didn't even seem close to tired when attacking at the end and crossing the line. I think hes gonna take it next year as well
Scary, or questionable?
@@libertysurf06 scary because in my opinion they are all abusing
I totally agree. Scary how doped he is. No glory!! Look at all the others panting away to catch their breath!!
@@baumann9551 right? of all the competitors who use dope hes still the better doper of them all..
Super powerfull Tadei...!!! ❤j
The greatest 2 riders this time 💪
What a great explanation. Thanks
This is crazy to watch he’s unbelievable this tour
The two Aliens 👽👽
Wonderful day.
I feel sorry for Jonas. Too many of his fans are miserable, whining haters, desperate to make any excuse on his behalf (where Jonas himself makes none). The wholly unfounded accusations of Pogi doping are about as low as you can get. Jonas deserves a better fanbase than this.
💯%
Unfounded accusations? Tell me you are new to cycling without telling me your new to cycling 😂
I agree. Nasty accusations from northern Europeans. Nasty!
@@Kchiefs87 I'll tell you the difference between "your" and "you're", but I doubt you would be able to process the information.
Well last year UAE management said Ving was doping so now they are giving it back
autant passionnant après un mois!!!
Có sự cạnh tranh có sự hấp dẫn.chúc mừng Pogacar chiến thắng ❤
Que corredor Joao Almeida, trabajó y trabajó para Pogacar y quedó igualmente en el 4º puesto de la general, estaba para el podio el portugués.
No matter how much greatness were all witnessing and how iinfluential Pogacar and Vingegaard are I'll never be convinced that that Giro and Met road helmet are ever cool :(
lol at all these comments turning a blind eye. 7w/kg! so inspirational!
The Man ....The Myth...The Legend........
Awesome fighting from Jonas to shut down remco and show that he can fight Pogy.
@@gideonmthembu8693 The problem is he can’t fight with Pogi…
Tadej Pogacar is so awesome! You are the MAN! I am so happy you will win the Tour de France 2024, you deserve it!
Imagina si a jonas no le hubiera pasado el accidente!!!!
@@lolad.6266
Immagine if Tadej did not come exausted to the tour after winning the giro 3000km.😂😂😂
Bravo Tadeej 🤙🤙🏆
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤴🚵🚀🏆🥇🙏🔝✅ Pa si ZMAGO ŠE TUKAJ SEM VEDLA da ti to ZMOREŠ BRAVOOO BRAVO BRAVO LEGENDAAA NAJAČI KOLESAR NA SVETU ZLATI SI PONOSNI SMO NA TEBE VSI TVOJI NAVIJAČI🙏🙂🌞 ❤️😘🤗POGI TEAM 👏💪🇸🇮 🤗😘😘😘😘👏👏👏👏🫶🌞💪❤️🔥🌍☘️
Superb performance Pogi..
I feel like jonas was great at the start of the tour but at the end his lack of training influenced his endurance.
It’s obvious everything the man does at this tour it’s out of this world
Tadej exaustion after winning a tour.
Few people can win giro and tour the same year,and Kindergard is not one of them.
But he was supposed to better as the time went on...
Yes and he is, under normal circumstances!!!
@@denmark2680 Why? Was the tour shorter than expected or something?
This year he was no match for Pogacar with or without excuses. After the last two defeats Pogacar knew what he needed to change and he did. See if Jonas can respond next year but I think he will have a harder time to fight with Remco for the second place.
•Yellow jersey
•Dances at the final 200 meter
•High speed cadence
Onoda is that you?
Born to be a legend
it looks like he dont know how to make it less obvious that he is on another level. after stage 19th he said he will go easy with peloton and wont attack. but he just couldnt help with all the energy he had. look at that explosion.... he could have attacked at 8km left to go again,but he just tried to stay calm and dont make it to obvious... look at thay acceleration at the end? wtf was that? 3500 watts?
Ahh poor carapaaaas
포가차는 다른 종류의 인간이구나..기량이 어마어마하다..넘사벽이야...
POGI GOAT
😂😂😂
Just curious: why did Vengegaard lead for so long? Why not slow down enough so Pogacar leads?
Rewatching this time and time again-the most striking was the ease with which the top 2 riders caught up with Mas and Carapaz-some of the best mountain riders in the world. And Jonas and Pog caught up with them and dropped them like they were just some amateurs who got in the way of their training session...🤣😂
Para ganhar duas voltas em seguida, é necessário está usando alguma coisa extra. O futuro nós dirá algo.
Racing is racing respect is respect for your competitors which is seen in the history of the TDF. Everyone will eventually have a Bad year whether crashes or illnesses. Been an exciting tour otherwise
7:43 BANG! 🚀
Jonas, Remco and the rest of the TDF powered by Crowdstrike ...Tadej obviously not 🤣
7:44 a blow
Monstros!
Jonas was the best gregario for Pogacar on this race😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 seems as if he is on UAE payroll
He was fighting for his second place and not for the yellow jersey so Jonas did the right thing to take time from Evenepol.
Poga is a monster
6:29 Boss move by the police guy.
I'm waiting for next year when Vingegaard is back to full strength. It was a bit of a let down this year to have Pog just dominate so thoroughly. I mean, no disrespect to him, he was amazing, but the Tour was not as dramatic as the last few years.
I think Tadej could overhaul Cav's record at this rate.
Mark Cavendish knew what he was talking about when he asked Pog not to challenge his record 😂
Remember that 4 minute TT 👀
Took time to stop his bike computer before the finish line 😭
..or turn the motor off?😊
Tadej Pogacar, the greatest of all time!
Crazy he can climb with those kind of pedaling candences.
Good job my friend Pogi
dop dop dop
@@claus4952cry 😅
폐위되었던 황제의 재 대관식.🎉🎉🎉
DOPE!
렘코도 인간계 최강자로서 열심히 타고있는데, 두 명의 신과는 차이가 너무 확실하네. 카라파즈도 열심히 탔고..다들 고생했다. 내년에 칼 갈고 나올 요나스랑 포가챠의 초단위 대결 기대한다.
I doubt about Pogacar's performance, too dominant? He didn't perform this way the last two years and suddenly so dominant? Reminds me of Armstrong
6:53
7:43
Enquanto Pogačar tá cumprindo o horário de expediente, Carapaz faz caretas e não consegue acompanhar, além do que, Pogačar deu a oportunidade a Vingegaard a atacar nos últimos metros e ganhar a etapa com dignidade, mas, ele preferiu não fazer o ataque para não parecer uma bondade cedida pelo campeão.
Pogacar won 5 stages, so at that rate he's on course to break Cav's 35 stage record after about 7 more TdF's..:)
Pogi is just flexing
Pogacar is almost bored at the end..Actually he definitely is…. There is simply no competition.. Pogi loves riding but now he fights a battle against himself like Mondo Duplantis in pole vault.. really difficult if you are not truly dedicated
Vingegaard flicked the elbow, Pogacar came through. That's the way to do it. Unlike stage 11, I think Pogacar really wanted this one but there's no way he'd have sat on Vingegaard's wheel all the way up and then taken the stage. Pogacar won this one honourably. He had no need to help Vingegaard because Vingegaard was putting time into Remco and that was their issue. Carapaz was wheel sucking and looking for another chance -so glad they rode the limpet off their wheels; horrible rider.
That is two Lance👍
Congrats Tadej your performance is from another planet. You have not only the best team but also the best doctor. This guy could sprinted till sunset. Scary. 🙄.
It escalated to a complete shit show. This guy is a joke, but Not a good one.
@@Blabla123-u4f Or supposed to adore loosers?