It actually blows my mind how many people clicked on this video just to shill for Blizzard and criticize people for being "poor" just because they didn't want to purchase Early Access. Also, for anyone defending these advantages by saying they're "minor" or "not important by the time M+ releases", you're completely missing the point. Blizzard employees publicly stated across multiple interviews that there would be no major advantages during Early Access. They specifically said that Weekly Quests would be disabled, and many of them are still working. Whether or not you think Early Access is good, or if the advantages are significant, it doesn't change the fact that Blizzard employees lied when discussing this paid feature. That's disgusting, it deserves to be called out, and we as players should expect better communication from a billion dollar company.
Didn't the same thing happen with Diablo 4? I have Early access, though I am not a high end player nor am I likely to be able to dedicate any kind of time to chasing those advantages. Gamers sadly always miss the bigger picture. I was around when it was "who cares it's just Horse Armor it's not that big a deal" - to here we are today and gamers are well and truly used to being nickle and dimmed for bits and pieces of the game experience. Early access is just a continuation of that and I wish it would stop - but game-theory dooms us all.
People are actually crazy fanboys who love to argue and offend people online even then they are wrong themselves. Just like at FF14, early access is tied to PREORDER AT LOWEST PRICE, GW2 doesn't have early access at all to most current expansions (already released this week) which also didn't have public testing other then press preview and weapon skills weekend that was public.
It's both good and bad. Good because you get to play your game much sooner, bad if this practice goes unchecked and gets to Diablo Immortal epic proportions of pay to play. Oh, and of course the benefits like leveling your character to level 80 much sooner as well, etc.
Sadly i believe this is now going to be standard practice i think alot of people have bought the early access and they ll just milk it every single time.
@@MrAlternateTheory That was even more dumb cause there was race for the first 1k players to hit max level to have their name engraved in the statue.No idea how they thought that out(yes i know whoever wanted to be part of the 1k probably preordered it but its another bait to do so).
You're implying it's unfair to have early release based on it being a subscription based game, despite the additional fee for those who wanted early access..
I want to be a fly on the wall on the 26th when the 70s are trying to quest in Warmode, and the 80s are waiting for them at the first place they phase and see one another.
@juwohn815 Will it? There have been plenty of times my friends have put 60s - geared or no - in the dirt, notably after they picked on one of us while we were leveling an alt. Blizzard's scaling doesn't always work as intended, especially when it comes to PvP.
@lonarra1 They also made it available for people to spam BGs to obtain patterns for PvP crafting in early access. Making marketing unstable before launch with selling patterns or items you craft for pvp that scales in bg/arenas to item lvl 606 (Can inc with idols to 613), The patterns might be available to buy from vendor on launch.
@@zugdigitalx There is no honor gear til launch, i was just saying you can obtain the patterns only by BGs in early access getting pvp crafted pieces so early you will have a set before honor gear even comes out. And the honor is capped at 4k, it will be increase on launch to 15k. So i cant save honor unless i want to transfer it over to alts to save up honor. (the game takes 20% of the honor transfered)
Very good point. Its not early access, its delayed access for people who don't want pay 90$. Its more like punishment for players. People who thinks its okay, are like trained dogs by blizzard.
I don't see where the problem is ? I'm definitely not a rich guy,but I did pay those extra dollars and I don't regret it ! If you want something better,or in advance,you pay a but extra ! I don't see where the problem here is ? Maybe you should but early access next time too
@@StanislavTsanev It's not about money, it's about dividing people into better and worse. In my opinion, games were meant to erase social differences and create a place where everyone should be equal. Early access ruined the nice experience of launching the expansion and starting the adventure with a group of friends. For example, a few people from our team played in early access but didn't have much fun because it's not fun playing solo. They even gave up on leveling and waiting for the rest of the team until "premiere". WE KNOW that in a close circle you can make an appointment and start together, but it's not the same when you are aware that you don't start like everyone else. The premiere of the expansion was on the 23rd, and the rest had delayed access as a punishment because they did not want to overpay. It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it. But with the "I don't see the problem" attitude, people like you push the Overton window. You can read about this here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window If consumers don't object, Blizzard will become greedier and greedier until WoW becomes unplayable.
@@StanislavTsanev It's not about money, it's about dividing people into better and worse. In my opinion, games were meant to erase social differences and create a place where everyone should be equal. Early access ruined the nice experience of launching the expansion and starting the adventure with a group of friends. For example, a few people from our team played in early access but didn't have much fun because it's not fun play solo. They even gave up on leveling and are waiting for the rest of the team until "realease". WE KNOW that in a close circle you can make an appointment and start together, but it's not the same fun when you are aware that you don't start like everyone else. The premiere of the expansion was on the 23rd, and the rest had delayed access as a punishment because they did not want to overpay. People like you with an "I don't see the problem" attitude, push the OVERTON WINDOW. You can read about this at wikipedia. If consumers don't criticize a bad product, the company will become greedier and greedier until WoW becomes unplayable.
@@StanislavTsanev @StanislavTsanev It's not about money, it's about dividing people into better and worse. In my opinion, games were meant to erase social differences and create a place where everyone should be equal. Early access ruined the nice experience of launching the expansion and starting the adventure with a group of friends. For example, a few people from our team played in early access but didn't have much fun because it's not fun play solo. They even gave up on leveling and are waiting for the rest of the team until "realease". WE KNOW that in a close circle you can make an appointment and start together, but it's not the same fun when you are aware that you don't start like everyone else. The premiere of the expansion was on the 23rd, and the rest had delayed access as a punishment because they did not want to overpay. People like you with an "I don't see the problem" attitude, push the OVERTON WINDOW. You can read about this at wikipedia. If consumers don't criticize a bad product, the company will become greedier and greedier until WoW becomes unplayable.
@StanislavTsanev how can you not comprehend it isn't early access. It's release access and if you don't pay the pay wall you get delayed access. How do you people not understand this
As someone who's spent a lot of time historically focused on goldmaking and professions the early access was always going to be unfair to those who didn't pay for it. The first days of an xpac have always been crazy opportunities for money makers and with the new professions giving people 4 days to get ahead is a massive advantage for anyone actually competing. I could have bought in, but $90 is just more than I want to pay for a game with a sub (and I've never been interested in the epic editions). But seeing others dive in without me has really really sucked. There is just NO way to let some people into the game and not others and really have the 4 days not make a difference in a game like this...
For goldmaking people, the correct play was to buy the EA with tokens. Hardcore goldmakers would absolutely make their money back thanks to these additional 4 days. But people that just gather during leveling, sell it on day 1 and ride that money through the whole expansion? Yeah those probably got fucked. :/
With rep being warband shared, how have they balanced just redoing faction story quests as farming rep? Couldn’t i just redo the same story quests for those factions on a dozen characters, no gates or caps? Or do i misunderstand the time/rep exchange rate? It used to be doing story quests was the best rep source generally but it was limited by the number of quests, and repeatable quests and farming gave less per action
They aren't mutually exclusive though? Just because you can get a ton of rep from sidequests (which you should be doing, obviously) doesn't mean world quests don't provide an additional considerable source of rep. I've fully completed every single side quest and killed every single rare and opened every single treasure; I'm only at ~10 Renown with all factions. World quests and other sources are required to progress further.
theres also a boatload of gold to be made in this early access. so the rich get richer while the plebs wait around. its a disgusting money grab by Blizzard. if this was a f2p game id understand, its not, we pay for everything. its a huge L imo. i dont think Blizzard is really changing, theyre just changing a small bit gameplay/story wise. good vid.
as someone who only work the weekends, i only got the base game apon loging in on monday im going to be sad to see everyone at max lvl at the start of the expansion, im also poor and only spent 30$ for the expansion and keep my account off til i log in on monday cuz f them
Yea, I'm also 581, but that's not the point. Everything I discussed in this video is for pre-Heroic Raid Gearing, your gear at this exact ilvl is irrelevant.
You can't "rep farm" with early access, 50 rep from the WQ don't matter at all. You maybe at most will get like 1/5th if the way to another rep level at best. And the gear from the renown vendors, while good now. Are completely irrelevant the day that the raids drop and M0s coke out. Delve gear will be better. Its at best a convenience. It's not an advantage even in the slightest.
@@Kemyo0 true, I have a dozen tailoring alts already cranking cooldowns I’ve made enough in a couple days to cover the cost of the epic edition. I guess the one benefit for people is material price may be down by Monday or it my spike again not sure
This is the only valid critique. Everything else is literally whining. Market is technically time gated bc to max profit u need to be first. So it's a money loss. However if u just care about making the gear and making ur profession then it doesn't matter.
This was the droplet that spilled the water for me. It feels insulting. And it's not like i can't afford 30 euros, or that i really care about the advantages, but it's just a sign of things to come. Same thing as mounts in the shop tbh, just go look on 2009 comments on wowhead, they literally were telling that if we allow these mounts to be sold on the shop then it will become the norm. I don't see how EA won't become a staple thing from now on. Who knows, maybe at some point there will crank it down even more. This annoyed me so much that i cancelled my sub. Keep in mind that i have never done that, not even in shadowlands. It's just a combination of things that ultimately made me feel like shit about wow. I know they have to make money but they are making huge bank already, lets not kid ourselves into feeling pity for blizz, it's not some indie developer that tries to incentivise someone to buy his game, this is pure "F U if you refuse to buy the epic edition". I don't even care about the advantages tbh, as i never go beyond 17 keys and don't mythic raid, it's the message they are sending that should make people worry. I am just not addicted enough at this point to keep justifying buying an expansion like it's some "free vs premium" option, It was fun while it lasted. Good luck with your channel harladan :D
I will say realizing I can get delve keys on my level 71 alts by dojng the world quests changed my mind a bit. It had gone from minor to a HUGE advantage having early access and that’s bad terrible design
Huh you didn't get a huge advantage you got terrible gear that people when the game dropped can also get that same terrible gear delves don't go past 3 for 3 weeks literally
I am not at all surprised. The progression mob is the most dedicated public and Blizzard puts an inordinate amount of effort to developing gameplay loops for that audience. Selling early access with advantages is an obvious step in milking that cash cow
While I have enjoyed the early access. It feels like it is impossible to not give an advantage. I have collected tons of treasures for tailoring, piles of crafting mats, and other small things that no matter how people want to look at it put me ahead of anyone without EA.
pretty nasty work to have a delayed, punishing release when the main source of borrowed power in the game is time gated bullshittery. renown is such a bad system, if i wanted to be a time gated garbage man i'd go to valley of the four winds
Thankfully I don’t worry about rep farming. I take my time levelling each character while working on professions. As an addon writer I rarely start playing before a month in anyway rofl
What are these weekly events you're talking about in the middle of the video (at 5:50 ish)? Any way to target/find those other than just running into them randomly? Are they locked behind sidequests? I got to 80 with the Azeroth Pilot Reloaded addon route (which is just the main quest + a bunch of extras here and there to stay on curve with area levels) but I haven't encountered any blue quests I don't think
I am an early access gamer but I wasn't expecting to cap during the early access period because I was assured there would be no need to. Even if not out of malice this is an issue
Good thing I'll never get beyond Renown 7 for any of the factions same as in all previous expansions LMAO because I cba renown farming. Well maybe on one character just because I wanna do all quests on one you know. But definitely, definitely not on alts. Nope. I have a job XD
As a gold maker who believed that there was no advantage I reckon I've missed out on millions. I still expect to make a lot, but the potential for me to set up and compete to sell things first in an equal market are non existent now. I've seen people talking about the price of things I'd hope to be close to first to market having crashed in price. You could say that the main wave of buyers is still to come, however people are already selling darkmoon decks which are for level 70s, so people will buy them to get to 80, and while I'm levelling my first character early access people will be restocking the AH over and over with profession tools, BOEs, etc.
They changed Darkmoon Faire War within cards from level 70 to 80 yesterday patch. But you can purchase war within enchants for item lvl 450+ that gives main stat and dmg to enemies. which is nice for leveling. I do see the market going up once release happens.
The bigger issue, as I clearly stated in the video, is the contradiction between what was stated to be available during interviews, and what is actually available right now.
@@ROFTI second this as my professions are leatherworking and engineering I spent almost a milly on mats day 1… now I have one of my alts farming for ore and hides to recoup my losses lmao
One world quest reset, bit more than 3 days is an advantage but not a serious one. I think have multiple max level characters is more intense. I have 3 already.
Even with contracts (240k gold on my server btw), and grinding, there aren't enough WQs to get that high in the renown track. You'd have to farm chests and rares daily, and none of that is going to matter as of today. The ilvl gear I got aside from two pieces over the entire course of the early access is completely void once I do heroics today, and heroics today are also lower than heroics in September. I'm not defending paid early access, it's dog shit and shouldn't exist. The only positive is that the questing areas won't be as crowded for the people who didn't buy it. I'm not saying your video is clickbait, but to everyone who didn't buy early access: you didn't miss much.
Not sure what you're referring to, the lowest renown gear is 584, which is better than Heroic dungeons even after they get buffed in a few weeks. Myself and all of my guildies already have all of these pieces. The Champion items require an even higher renown level, and given another ~2 weeks to farm rep it should barely be attainable.
@@Lonarra1 what I'm saying is 3 days was not enough to give you an actual advantage, you might have all 4 of those pieces right now, but everyone who didn't get in early will also have them by the time everything opens in two weeks. There aren't enough resets and things to do to rep up enough for there to be a large gap.
@@plagueburial There are, though. Anyone who missed out on Early Access lost ~2 full renown levels with every single faction (minus maybe Severed Threads since their WQs were disabled). The vast majority of rares give weekly rep, which you were able to get during Early Access, and most WQs reset around the same time on Tuesday. In theory, a non-EA player could level to max, kill every single rare, do every single weekly, do every single WQ, etc, all in the 16 hour period before Tuesday. But that's extremely impractical when EA players had 4 days to accomplish the same thing, and there are still multiple world quests that expired before the official launch. As it stands, reaching the levels to obtain Champion gear before the raid releases will be extremely difficult. If it is possible, there is a good chance it is only doable with the extra rep from Early Access.
Contracts are pointless since they changed how renown works in this expansion. If you are trying to farm renown, then it's better to just level alts and do all the quests again... And the 597 piece only matters if the piece of gear is good for your spec. I have seen lots of vendor gear on my rogue that is trash. And don't quote on me this, but I think the current cap on renown is 15. That's what it seemed like when I was looking at the rep achievements...
@@Lonarra1 I haven't experimented with this in The War Within, but I know it works in DF. Because I was getting rep on my warrior. So, I guess I'll have to check to see how accurate this is.
I didn’t even care about reputation, but people having a pve and pvp advantage by being 80 at LAUNCH really irks me. I get to be level 72 while people are walking around me at 80 with full honor gear sets already. Absolute shame
As a player who levels w warmode on i wont be able to do that this time because as we all know there will be lvl 80s flying around looking for low lvl players w warmode to farm honor. Sucks man but tbh if blizzard wants to really kill the game, theyre doing an amazing job
It's actually even worse than you realize. The intro quest pins you under a pile of rocks, and during that time you're still killable in warmode. Tons of people are planning to camp the intro scenario on warmode.
Well, early access in combination with a ‘starting’ quest chain in old content, that has to be completed before beginning the new expansion, did seem to stagger players when they were able to get to the new content. This staggering did seem to help the servers, i had no issues with server stability when playing, unlike dragon flight. I couldnt even play new content at launch with dragonflight, and had to wait til the next day to play.
I've said this in a few other comments, but I agree that the reduction of players overloading the servers is a good thing. In theory, that's one of the major advantages of early access. That doesn't change the fact that Blizzard lied about what was available and what wasn't. That's still a problem and needs to be called out.
I can’t even remember. I think you used to get a week of early access in xpacs past. My initial thoughts going into this one, and looking at the add was; the mount and pet look like shit for a new xpac compared to previous expansions. So I was already on the lowest tier in my thinking. I didn’t care. Then I was thinking, why don’t they just give everybody ALL the things that you would get from the highest tier? Some people just don’t care about mounts and pets. But, I did it anyways for early access. I think that’s where people’s minds go. I think in the grand scheme of things, there is so much sh-tuff to do, it just levels the playing field. It all comes down to raids and if I’m going to be able to group and get that drop I need. However, I think that players who have been around and support the game should be rewarded, going into a new expansion. But, I think you bring up fine points.
The 10th is 493 mythic loot wont really matter at all. Im 470 right now and have 2 alts leveled but i mean its not really much of anything gained its more of now those toons kind of have to sit until its time for real content
Ofc its an advantage?! How can it not be an advantage, its pretty obvious, if you pay outrageous amount of money you get 1x reset of everything. "Reputation" and full gear before everyone else.
you buy normal for $60 bucks, you will buy 1 month game time for 15. =$75. So youre either way going to spend $75... So for 15 more dollars you get early access, a free 70 boosted character (valued at $60) and youll get the month of game time in that purchase. So really, since you're already buying the game and gametime, whats an extra $15 to get ahead. 4 days of early access cost you $3.70/day if you just bought the game and 1 month of game time together. $15 more dollars to get far ahead and max out what you can before all the people get into the game
I'm not trying to debate the merits/value of purchasing Early Access, at no point was that discussed during this video. My singular point is and has always been that Blizzard lied about what would be available during EA. I included multiple direct quotes from interviews where they said "X feature will be disabled", and yet it's working in EA. Whether you want to defend Early Access or not, it's pretty common sense that a billion dollar company should be truthful when marketing it.
it's just a scammy business model...i dont see the point of release an xpac delayed between players....it should be a Celebrations for everyone at the same time.....
It sucks that there is really ANY kind of advantage for early access, but also, none of it will matter by the time we're through the first raid tier. Granted, that's a while away. I have early access, but I'm honestly just using the time to level my char and read all the quests. I'll get KSM and clear the raid on normal just to see it. I like to keep it chill.
Sure, but that's like saying nothing we do right now will matter because the next expansion comes out in a few years. All of your achievements in WoW lose meaning over time, but what matters is that the gear advantages you gain right now will have a notable impact during Heroic Week in Nerub-ar Palace.
Welcome to the world of pay to win gaming. That being said 3 day isnt a whole lot of time for people with families and jobs they didn't take time off to play and 24 hours with an energy drink iv drip system set up to pull all nighters. People with responsibilities other then wow how often do you play on average a day? This only matters to the top 3% try hards. As for blizzard if i were to spend double for early access it better be worth it other wise no one would pay the cost of buying this expansion twice for 3 days of just lvling alts
This is a muti million dollar/billon dollar corporation do you really expect them to tell you the truth or not do something slimey. I mean this isn't the first time blizzard has done something to upset the fan base. They can lie all they want but most people are not dumb. But people will still defend it because thats what they do.
The problem isn't the advantage itself, the problem is the billion dollar company saying flat out lies during interviews to mislead customers. Video game or not, that's still an unethical thing for a business to be doing.
Even a slight gear advantage just extrapolates itself. If I have 570 and someone has 560 I probably get invited first. Now I get 580 gear so guess what I keep getting invited and keep getting further and further ahead. Late access is terrible design I’ll say it again and again
There are a lot of comment about people that are either very dumb or intentionally acting on bad faith and denying the obvious advantages you're getting from paying 40 more dollars to not get late access ; Everytime the guy makes sure to explain stuff thoroughly to make sure even the most clueless people can understand but i'm starting to feel like people aren't even able to follow a simple chain of thought. Harldan if you see this comment i recommend you don't spend more time reading and answering to moronic comments - all this sht does to us is costing time we could spend better elsewhere (whether on wow or something else) and tilt us from having to interact with monkeys
I think videos like this end up reaching people well outside my audience who are just looking for reasons to shit on other humans. If something doesn't seem important to them, they think it's worthless and so is anyone who cares about said thing. It's a bit exhausting, but hey, they're boosting the engagement on my video, so there's a silver lining.
@@Lonarra1 The same can be said to you. JUST because you view something as important doesn't mean it is. You said yourself Blizzard said IMPORTANT STUFF would be disabled. They did not leave specifics. So trying to find one key or clue in something that one person said somewhere to try to shit all over a company is nonsensical and diabolical. And it shows your alterier motives.
It's spelled ulterior motives, actually. Also, you can literally see clips from interviews in this video where they state "weekly quests will be disabled", and yet multiple weekly quests are working. Unfortunately it seems your reading comprehension is as dogshit as your ability to spell.
When Blizzard said, "Come raid day, you won't be able to tell who had early access and who didn't." they did not lie. But that's because we only raid "Try Hards".
It's more that blizzard doesn't have the integrity to not do trash like this. I didn't buy the expansion and only re subbed a week ago after being gone for a year. Not sure I'm going to. Blizzard's greed pisses me off.
Maybe they baked in a catch up system so that you can never be behind on keys the way you now cant really fall behind on crest cap, or the bullion cap this last season. However i still havent forgotten the roadmap for season 4 where they blatantly lied and said all raids would be awakened 7 weeks into the season then just.. changed their minds with no explanations and basically flipped us the middle finger. They made it significantly more difficult to farm a lot of crests for alts in an already dead season that had to compete with mop remix and cata classic. They do not respect the average retail players time it seems and the frequency of lies lately is worrying.
I've been saying this since they announced EA, it's impossible to not give any advantage for people with EA in a MMORPG like World of Warcraft, and that's why EA doesn't work in Wow.
Early access is always an advantage. Blizzard, as usual. Screwed it up. But as a casual player, I am LOVING the lack of massive crowds of players all trying to get the same quest done at the same time resulting in blatantly screwing others over. Even the bottleneck quests are easier to complete. Early access is worth it just for that.
Yeah, I am super annoyed with this early access, in both my guilds 99% of everyone has the early access and are already leveled. So there goes leveling with guildies, also just super depressing to see everyone playing while I need to wait because I can't afford to buy the Epic edition which is almost double the price of base edition. Base edition with tax included is $73.44 CAD and the Epic edition with tax included is $129.94 CAD which is almost double the price of base edition. It comes with 30 days gametime and a pet, toy and hearthstone effect... so I get it, it has a bit more value but also the Early Access as well and that just bothers me that it's locked behind that paywall.
@@EmoDragracernice and easy of you to just shift the blame onto guildies, when blizzard divided the rich from the peasants. I mean , i know friends could have waited to level together. But as we see, you would just hold them back. I also let my friends have fun and enjoy the game, but im still feeling left out. Those feelings are not mutually exklusive. Especially since it isnt their fault.
They are not warbound, so no, you can't transfer them. If they were transferrable this actually wouldn't matter much, since you could just level additional characters and funnel the keys over to your main.
@@Lonarra1 Blizz lies all the time, i never trust Blizz. They are all about the money. Not saying it is right, it is disgusting but this is blizz and this blizz has been around and like this for over a decade now.
I'm glad you're happy, but the bigger issue is Blizzard not communicating this beforehand. People made their purchases based on incomplete information, and that's not ok.
I have EA. I didn't buy Epic for EA, but it's been nice not having mobs of people! I do wonder, how much was intentional misleading and how much was WTF programming. Even three days early access... IDK 26-22 is not three! That said, it may give an advantage to goblins and min-maxers - the majority of the player base it won't matter by October. I can guarantee, I know half a dozen people that won't have rep high enough for the gear you mentioned before the end of the year. Very c a s u a l players. I do get your point though if it was intentional misleading/lies, then there's a definite problem.
Yea, this obviously won't matter for casual players, but anyone interesting in optimizing gear will care a lot of about the missed rewards. And obviously the bigger issue is the lying.
Its actually insane value, all 35 of my 70's are in the new Hub starting their rested exp AND have done the crafting order quest for the free bag of profession materials. Adventure mode is unlocked and steady flight is unlocked, all before the rest of the population even steps in TWW. That being said, i hope they never do this shit again.
Early access was a bad idea since they announced it. Even if you couldn't do ANYTHING else other than leveling, it's still bad. First of all, global release people won't be able to level in war mode. Second, early access people will be able to jump straight into Heroics and get the better gear + vault while the rest will have to level and farm so they can do Heroics. And third, global release is MONDAY 1 AM, good luck doing all that at the start of a week when everyone is working. If they wanted that bullshit early access thing that much, it should be launched on a Tuesday and be strictly only questing for leveling, no professions, no renowns, no delv drops, no dungeon drops, main story and side quests only. Then they could do the global release on Friday so everyone can play, but i guess their crap servers can't do that.
You're missing the point. Adventurer 4/8 dropped from M0 and Veteran 1/8 bought from reputation vendors are only 4 item levels apart. 593 to 597. As M0 is a source of Carved Harbinger Crest we will not have a source of Runed Harbinger Crest until Season 1 starts. Everyone item level, rich or poor, will be capped at 606. Veteran 8/8 or Champion 4/8; And even if the crest cap doesn't allow to upgrade to 606. Those 4 item levels will be meaningless once Season 1 starts. All of them will be trash.
You and I have a very different idea of meaningless. Sure, 4 item levels on a singular piece of gear may not seem like much, but 4 item levels overall can actually be rather significant. If you're looking to clear AotC on week 1, that very well could mean the difference between getting or the kill or not. We have no way of knowing, and obviously it's better to be safe than sorry. None of this changes the entire point of my video, which isn't that the advantage is EXTREMELY large, it's that there is an advantage PERIOD. Blizzard stated in multiple interviews that Early Access wouldn't provide any advantage. It doesn't matter if you're getting a 1 item level advantage or a 10 item level advantage, it wasn't supposed to exist in the first place. So, no, you're actually the person missing the point here.
@@Lonarra1I’m not usually one to get into online debates but early access already was an advantage even if it was just levels this whole video just seems like you looking for a reason to complain about anything. Feels like a lot of people are reaching for something to be mad about
Let’s not pretend like this is something new, wow has always been P2W since they added the wow token, you can buy a boost for everting ingame. Still no one will be able to get to renown 20 or even renown 15 until the raid comes out. So that entire first part of the video is completely irrelevant. You have a point when it comes to coffee keys even tho these are in theory infinitely farmable once you complete the delve season, you can only complete 4 bountiful delves per day. Mythic guilds have been talking about this for weeks since you can farm about 4 keys per week so it’s 12 keys without early access and now it’s 13 in early access this still means a really really small potential difference of 13 ilvls on ONE piece of gear. Also you can of course get gear in slots that already are 597 bountiful delve gear which is not that unlikely to get the same slot after 13 tries. So yea gearingwise it won’t make a difference at all. The only advantage is being able to lvl a lot of characters in advance.
whaaaat ??? :O .. blizz said one thing and did totally oposite ? .. whaaat eearly access has its advantages ?? who would have thought ?? :O:O:O :O O: /s
@@Lonarra1 If it ain't hero track or better I don't see a problem Level 8 delves champ track gear won't last. Normal mode raid level seems to be super common anyways
This is specifically an issue for gearing pre raid and during the Heroic raid week. Stuff like this absolutely matters for people who push raid progress early on.
The unfair advantages are kinda meh for most but definitely hardcore grinders who only sleep 3 hours a night this weekend will have quite an edge. The launch time in my timezone was exactly 00:00 at night so I could only play a few hours before a quick nap for work. I still managed to make a small fortune with mat farming during the day (playing at work) but the economy is waving between both extremes of crazy because I sold about 20k of leathers during the day and bought about 2x that amount (late at night) back for 2k because I decided to try and grind leatherworking in the end.
It actually blows my mind how many people clicked on this video just to shill for Blizzard and criticize people for being "poor" just because they didn't want to purchase Early Access. Also, for anyone defending these advantages by saying they're "minor" or "not important by the time M+ releases", you're completely missing the point. Blizzard employees publicly stated across multiple interviews that there would be no major advantages during Early Access. They specifically said that Weekly Quests would be disabled, and many of them are still working. Whether or not you think Early Access is good, or if the advantages are significant, it doesn't change the fact that Blizzard employees lied when discussing this paid feature. That's disgusting, it deserves to be called out, and we as players should expect better communication from a billion dollar company.
Didn't the same thing happen with Diablo 4?
I have Early access, though I am not a high end player nor am I likely to be able to dedicate any kind of time to chasing those advantages.
Gamers sadly always miss the bigger picture.
I was around when it was "who cares it's just Horse Armor it's not that big a deal" - to here we are today and gamers are well and truly used to being nickle and dimmed for bits and pieces of the game experience.
Early access is just a continuation of that and I wish it would stop - but game-theory dooms us all.
People are actually crazy fanboys who love to argue and offend people online even then they are wrong themselves. Just like at FF14, early access is tied to PREORDER AT LOWEST PRICE, GW2 doesn't have early access at all to most current expansions (already released this week) which also didn't have public testing other then press preview and weapon skills weekend that was public.
It's both good and bad. Good because you get to play your game much sooner, bad if this practice goes unchecked and gets to Diablo Immortal epic proportions of pay to play. Oh, and of course the benefits like leveling your character to level 80 much sooner as well, etc.
Sadly i believe this is now going to be standard practice i think alot of people have bought the early access and they ll just milk it every single time.
@@MrAlternateTheory That was even more dumb cause there was race for the first 1k players to hit max level to have their name engraved in the statue.No idea how they thought that out(yes i know whoever wanted to be part of the 1k probably preordered it but its another bait to do so).
it's a payd xpac with payed sub, early access should not even be a thing
@@weilacadda9361 it’s late access for people unwilling to pay, but of course early access sounds better from a marketing point
With a cash shop. Don't forget with other micro transactions aka wow token
Impressive how you managed to spell paid wrong in two different forms in the same phrase.
You're implying it's unfair to have early release based on it being a subscription based game, despite the additional fee for those who wanted early access..
When Microsoft takes over your game.
I want to be a fly on the wall on the 26th when the 70s are trying to quest in Warmode, and the 80s are waiting for them at the first place they phase and see one another.
Lmaoooo it's going to be awsome to bully some alliance fresh boosted 70s
Oh man that's a great idea
But geared 70 will bonk any 80 cuz of scaling in wpvp lol
@@blobbylight9283 Yes, that's the obvious solution. Some won't, though.
@juwohn815 Will it? There have been plenty of times my friends have put 60s - geared or no - in the dirt, notably after they picked on one of us while we were leveling an alt. Blizzard's scaling doesn't always work as intended, especially when it comes to PvP.
Really don't like that blizzard did this.. they've become so incredibly greedy.
It’s Microsoft. Blizzard is just a word now, it’s gone.
@lonarra1 They also made it available for people to spam BGs to obtain patterns for PvP crafting in early access. Making marketing unstable before launch with selling patterns or items you craft for pvp that scales in bg/arenas to item lvl 606 (Can inc with idols to 613), The patterns might be available to buy from vendor on launch.
Who cares, hinor gear is better anyways, just spam bgs
@@zugdigitalx There is no honor gear til launch, i was just saying you can obtain the patterns only by BGs in early access getting pvp crafted pieces so early you will have a set before honor gear even comes out. And the honor is capped at 4k, it will be increase on launch to 15k. So i cant save honor unless i want to transfer it over to alts to save up honor. (the game takes 20% of the honor transfered)
Very good point. Its not early access, its delayed access for people who don't want pay 90$. Its more like punishment for players. People who thinks its okay, are like trained dogs by blizzard.
I don't see where the problem is ?
I'm definitely not a rich guy,but I did pay those extra dollars and I don't regret it ! If you want something better,or in advance,you pay a but extra ! I don't see where the problem here is ? Maybe you should but early access next time too
@@StanislavTsanev It's not about money, it's about dividing people into better and worse. In my opinion, games were meant to erase social differences and create a place where everyone should be equal. Early access ruined the nice experience of launching the expansion and starting the adventure with a group of friends. For example, a few people from our team played in early access but didn't have much fun because it's not fun playing solo. They even gave up on leveling and waiting for the rest of the team until "premiere". WE KNOW that in a close circle you can make an appointment and start together, but it's not the same when you are aware that you don't start like everyone else. The premiere of the expansion was on the 23rd, and the rest had delayed access as a punishment because they did not want to overpay.
It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it. But with the "I don't see the problem" attitude, people like you push the Overton window. You can read about this here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
If consumers don't object, Blizzard will become greedier and greedier until WoW becomes unplayable.
@@StanislavTsanev It's not about money, it's about dividing people into better and worse. In my opinion, games were meant to erase social differences and create a place where everyone should be equal. Early access ruined the nice experience of launching the expansion and starting the adventure with a group of friends. For example, a few people from our team played in early access but didn't have much fun because it's not fun play solo. They even gave up on leveling and are waiting for the rest of the team until "realease". WE KNOW that in a close circle you can make an appointment and start together, but it's not the same fun when you are aware that you don't start like everyone else. The premiere of the expansion was on the 23rd, and the rest had delayed access as a punishment because they did not want to overpay.
People like you with an "I don't see the problem" attitude, push the OVERTON WINDOW. You can read about this at wikipedia.
If consumers don't criticize a bad product, the company will become greedier and greedier until WoW becomes unplayable.
@@StanislavTsanev @StanislavTsanev It's not about money, it's about dividing people into better and worse. In my opinion, games were meant to erase social differences and create a place where everyone should be equal. Early access ruined the nice experience of launching the expansion and starting the adventure with a group of friends. For example, a few people from our team played in early access but didn't have much fun because it's not fun play solo. They even gave up on leveling and are waiting for the rest of the team until "realease". WE KNOW that in a close circle you can make an appointment and start together, but it's not the same fun when you are aware that you don't start like everyone else. The premiere of the expansion was on the 23rd, and the rest had delayed access as a punishment because they did not want to overpay.
People like you with an "I don't see the problem" attitude, push the OVERTON WINDOW. You can read about this at wikipedia.
If consumers don't criticize a bad product, the company will become greedier and greedier until WoW becomes unplayable.
@StanislavTsanev how can you not comprehend it isn't early access.
It's release access and if you don't pay the pay wall you get delayed access. How do you people not understand this
Good for pointing it out. I shared to the discords im in whether people tune in or not.
As someone who's spent a lot of time historically focused on goldmaking and professions the early access was always going to be unfair to those who didn't pay for it. The first days of an xpac have always been crazy opportunities for money makers and with the new professions giving people 4 days to get ahead is a massive advantage for anyone actually competing.
I could have bought in, but $90 is just more than I want to pay for a game with a sub (and I've never been interested in the epic editions). But seeing others dive in without me has really really sucked.
There is just NO way to let some people into the game and not others and really have the 4 days not make a difference in a game like this...
For goldmaking people, the correct play was to buy the EA with tokens. Hardcore goldmakers would absolutely make their money back thanks to these additional 4 days.
But people that just gather during leveling, sell it on day 1 and ride that money through the whole expansion? Yeah those probably got fucked. :/
Thanks Blizzard
With rep being warband shared, how have they balanced just redoing faction story quests as farming rep? Couldn’t i just redo the same story quests for those factions on a dozen characters, no gates or caps? Or do i misunderstand the time/rep exchange rate? It used to be doing story quests was the best rep source generally but it was limited by the number of quests, and repeatable quests and farming gave less per action
They aren't mutually exclusive though? Just because you can get a ton of rep from sidequests (which you should be doing, obviously) doesn't mean world quests don't provide an additional considerable source of rep. I've fully completed every single side quest and killed every single rare and opened every single treasure; I'm only at ~10 Renown with all factions. World quests and other sources are required to progress further.
I hate how I used to play a games new expansion, full of mystery and new experience.
It was for me, dont play beta and dont do spoilers duh
theres also a boatload of gold to be made in this early access. so the rich get richer while the plebs wait around. its a disgusting money grab by Blizzard. if this was a f2p game id understand, its not, we pay for everything. its a huge L imo. i dont think Blizzard is really changing, theyre just changing a small bit gameplay/story wise. good vid.
as someone who only work the weekends, i only got the base game apon loging in on monday im going to be sad to see everyone at max lvl at the start of the expansion, im also poor and only spent 30$ for the expansion and keep my account off til i log in on monday cuz f them
Thanks for the information and advice on how to get better gear more easily. It's appreciated.
Well no shit it has its advantages. The fact that people think it isnt is mind blowing LOL
im on early access right now and got to rank 7 of dorn but i need resonece stuff to guy the gear
I bought the early access but never played it yet
You can also farm heroics and upgrade your gear to 590+ it won't be champion. I am 572 with early access and my guildie is 581
Yea, I'm also 581, but that's not the point. Everything I discussed in this video is for pre-Heroic Raid Gearing, your gear at this exact ilvl is irrelevant.
And with rep being warbound wide you can basically use these rep based items to gear up any alt you want to.
Exactly, that's one of the reasons why rep farming is so helpful for gearing in this expansion.
You can't "rep farm" with early access, 50 rep from the WQ don't matter at all. You maybe at most will get like 1/5th if the way to another rep level at best. And the gear from the renown vendors, while good now. Are completely irrelevant the day that the raids drop and M0s coke out. Delve gear will be better. Its at best a convenience. It's not an advantage even in the slightest.
And now they buffed dungeons so levelling is harder for the peasants. Blizz really wants people to regret not buying EA.
people who only care about professions also are at an advantage - even if most of the playerbase don't minmax professions
@@Kemyo0 true, I have a dozen tailoring alts already cranking cooldowns I’ve made enough in a couple days to cover the cost of the epic edition. I guess the one benefit for people is material price may be down by Monday or it my spike again not sure
This is the only valid critique. Everything else is literally whining. Market is technically time gated bc to max profit u need to be first. So it's a money loss. However if u just care about making the gear and making ur profession then it doesn't matter.
This was the droplet that spilled the water for me. It feels insulting. And it's not like i can't afford 30 euros, or that i really care about the advantages, but it's just a sign of things to come. Same thing as mounts in the shop tbh, just go look on 2009 comments on wowhead, they literally were telling that if we allow these mounts to be sold on the shop then it will become the norm. I don't see how EA won't become a staple thing from now on. Who knows, maybe at some point there will crank it down even more.
This annoyed me so much that i cancelled my sub. Keep in mind that i have never done that, not even in shadowlands. It's just a combination of things that ultimately made me feel like shit about wow. I know they have to make money but they are making huge bank already, lets not kid ourselves into feeling pity for blizz, it's not some indie developer that tries to incentivise someone to buy his game, this is pure "F U if you refuse to buy the epic edition". I don't even care about the advantages tbh, as i never go beyond 17 keys and don't mythic raid, it's the message they are sending that should make people worry.
I am just not addicted enough at this point to keep justifying buying an expansion like it's some "free vs premium" option, It was fun while it lasted. Good luck with your channel harladan :D
I will say realizing I can get delve keys on my level 71 alts by dojng the world quests changed my mind a bit. It had gone from minor to a HUGE advantage having early access and that’s bad terrible design
Huh you didn't get a huge advantage you got terrible gear that people when the game dropped can also get that same terrible gear delves don't go past 3 for 3 weeks literally
They seem to have removed world quests since then
No? World quests are still working.
I am not at all surprised. The progression mob is the most dedicated public and Blizzard puts an inordinate amount of effort to developing gameplay loops for that audience. Selling early access with advantages is an obvious step in milking that cash cow
While I have enjoyed the early access. It feels like it is impossible to not give an advantage. I have collected tons of treasures for tailoring, piles of crafting mats, and other small things that no matter how people want to look at it put me ahead of anyone without EA.
pretty nasty work to have a delayed, punishing release when the main source of borrowed power in the game is time gated bullshittery. renown is such a bad system, if i wanted to be a time gated garbage man i'd go to valley of the four winds
worst decision i ever made was spend 90 euro on this.. It did not matter at all. season 1 does not start after 2 more weeks !.
Thankfully I don’t worry about rep farming. I take my time levelling each character while working on professions. As an addon writer I rarely start playing before a month in anyway rofl
What are these weekly events you're talking about in the middle of the video (at 5:50 ish)? Any way to target/find those other than just running into them randomly? Are they locked behind sidequests? I got to 80 with the Azeroth Pilot Reloaded addon route (which is just the main quest + a bunch of extras here and there to stay on curve with area levels) but I haven't encountered any blue quests I don't think
The one I mentioned is in Hallowfall, there's a marker on the northern part of the map that points it out.
You have to finish the MSQ
I am an early access gamer but I wasn't expecting to cap during the early access period because I was assured there would be no need to. Even if not out of malice this is an issue
I got a 597 trinket from a chest, so its not allat
Which trinket?
Good thing I'll never get beyond Renown 7 for any of the factions same as in all previous expansions LMAO because I cba renown farming. Well maybe on one character just because I wanna do all quests on one you know. But definitely, definitely not on alts. Nope. I have a job XD
Money = despite the same motivation, a division occurs - which always worsens and degenerates reality.
Blizzard lying again? Color me shocked
As a gold maker who believed that there was no advantage I reckon I've missed out on millions. I still expect to make a lot, but the potential for me to set up and compete to sell things first in an equal market are non existent now.
I've seen people talking about the price of things I'd hope to be close to first to market having crashed in price.
You could say that the main wave of buyers is still to come, however people are already selling darkmoon decks which are for level 70s, so people will buy them to get to 80, and while I'm levelling my first character early access people will be restocking the AH over and over with profession tools, BOEs, etc.
They changed Darkmoon Faire War within cards from level 70 to 80 yesterday patch. But you can purchase war within enchants for item lvl 450+ that gives main stat and dmg to enemies. which is nice for leveling. I do see the market going up once release happens.
Early access will always give u an advantage. Just logging in early is an advantage in an mmo. Idk why u thought otherwise😂
The bigger issue, as I clearly stated in the video, is the contradiction between what was stated to be available during interviews, and what is actually available right now.
I got EA assuming I’d make enough gold to cover it and I strongly think I wa correct with my tailor alts pumping already
theres also the farming for items that are craft table. no way people don't make loads of gold.
People have been making multiple millions.
@@ROFTI second this as my professions are leatherworking and engineering I spent almost a milly on mats day 1… now I have one of my alts farming for ore and hides to recoup my losses lmao
EA just made my contempt with blizz grows.
One world quest reset, bit more than 3 days is an advantage but not a serious one. I think have multiple max level characters is more intense. I have 3 already.
Shit... game didn't even came out and its already late to star playing... I guess I'll just wait another expansion
Trust is easy to lose. Very hard to get back. For some this will be enough to leave the game foreever. Not clever Blizzard.
Even with contracts (240k gold on my server btw), and grinding, there aren't enough WQs to get that high in the renown track. You'd have to farm chests and rares daily, and none of that is going to matter as of today. The ilvl gear I got aside from two pieces over the entire course of the early access is completely void once I do heroics today, and heroics today are also lower than heroics in September. I'm not defending paid early access, it's dog shit and shouldn't exist. The only positive is that the questing areas won't be as crowded for the people who didn't buy it. I'm not saying your video is clickbait, but to everyone who didn't buy early access: you didn't miss much.
Not sure what you're referring to, the lowest renown gear is 584, which is better than Heroic dungeons even after they get buffed in a few weeks. Myself and all of my guildies already have all of these pieces. The Champion items require an even higher renown level, and given another ~2 weeks to farm rep it should barely be attainable.
@@Lonarra1 what I'm saying is 3 days was not enough to give you an actual advantage, you might have all 4 of those pieces right now, but everyone who didn't get in early will also have them by the time everything opens in two weeks. There aren't enough resets and things to do to rep up enough for there to be a large gap.
@@plagueburial There are, though. Anyone who missed out on Early Access lost ~2 full renown levels with every single faction (minus maybe Severed Threads since their WQs were disabled). The vast majority of rares give weekly rep, which you were able to get during Early Access, and most WQs reset around the same time on Tuesday. In theory, a non-EA player could level to max, kill every single rare, do every single weekly, do every single WQ, etc, all in the 16 hour period before Tuesday. But that's extremely impractical when EA players had 4 days to accomplish the same thing, and there are still multiple world quests that expired before the official launch.
As it stands, reaching the levels to obtain Champion gear before the raid releases will be extremely difficult. If it is possible, there is a good chance it is only doable with the extra rep from Early Access.
Contracts are pointless since they changed how renown works in this expansion. If you are trying to farm renown, then it's better to just level alts and do all the quests again... And the 597 piece only matters if the piece of gear is good for your spec. I have seen lots of vendor gear on my rogue that is trash. And don't quote on me this, but I think the current cap on renown is 15. That's what it seemed like when I was looking at the rep achievements...
There is no cap on Renown. Also, care to elaborate why you think contracts are pointless?
@@Lonarra1 Because you can use alts to farm rep.
You can't use alts, all rep sources are once per warband.
@@Lonarra1 I haven't experimented with this in The War Within, but I know it works in DF. Because I was getting rep on my warrior. So, I guess I'll have to check to see how accurate this is.
I didn’t even care about reputation, but people having a pve and pvp advantage by being 80 at LAUNCH really irks me. I get to be level 72 while people are walking around me at 80 with full honor gear sets already. Absolute shame
Me - lv 70 and seeing only lv 80 allowed for dragonflight raids
As a player who levels w warmode on i wont be able to do that this time because as we all know there will be lvl 80s flying around looking for low lvl players w warmode to farm honor. Sucks man but tbh if blizzard wants to really kill the game, theyre doing an amazing job
It's actually even worse than you realize. The intro quest pins you under a pile of rocks, and during that time you're still killable in warmode. Tons of people are planning to camp the intro scenario on warmode.
Well, early access in combination with a ‘starting’ quest chain in old content, that has to be completed before beginning the new expansion, did seem to stagger players when they were able to get to the new content. This staggering did seem to help the servers, i had no issues with server stability when playing, unlike dragon flight. I couldnt even play new content at launch with dragonflight, and had to wait til the next day to play.
I've said this in a few other comments, but I agree that the reduction of players overloading the servers is a good thing. In theory, that's one of the major advantages of early access. That doesn't change the fact that Blizzard lied about what was available and what wasn't. That's still a problem and needs to be called out.
Isn’t there renown caps and/or catch-up mechanics though? Will it even matter?
It will matter for early gearing pre-raid and during Heroic week.
y everyone was angry about 90$ expansion but all them got it now :D ofc blizzard gives them advantage cuz they paid more :)
I can’t even remember. I think you used to get a week of early access in xpacs past. My initial thoughts going into this one, and looking at the add was; the mount and pet look like shit for a new xpac compared to previous expansions. So I was already on the lowest tier in my thinking. I didn’t care. Then I was thinking, why don’t they just give everybody ALL the things that you would get from the highest tier? Some people just don’t care about mounts and pets. But, I did it anyways for early access. I think that’s where people’s minds go. I think in the grand scheme of things, there is so much sh-tuff to do, it just levels the playing field. It all comes down to raids and if I’m going to be able to group and get that drop I need. However, I think that players who have been around and support the game should be rewarded, going into a new expansion. But, I think you bring up fine points.
I get ya, but its limited to 4 keys. not that bad
The 10th is 493 mythic loot wont really matter at all. Im 470 right now and have 2 alts leveled but i mean its not really much of anything gained its more of now those toons kind of have to sit until its time for real content
Ofc its an advantage?! How can it not be an advantage, its pretty obvious, if you pay outrageous amount of money you get 1x reset of everything. "Reputation" and full gear before everyone else.
you buy normal for $60 bucks, you will buy 1 month game time for 15. =$75. So youre either way going to spend $75... So for 15 more dollars you get early access, a free 70 boosted character (valued at $60) and youll get the month of game time in that purchase. So really, since you're already buying the game and gametime, whats an extra $15 to get ahead. 4 days of early access cost you $3.70/day if you just bought the game and 1 month of game time together. $15 more dollars to get far ahead and max out what you can before all the people get into the game
I'm not trying to debate the merits/value of purchasing Early Access, at no point was that discussed during this video. My singular point is and has always been that Blizzard lied about what would be available during EA. I included multiple direct quotes from interviews where they said "X feature will be disabled", and yet it's working in EA. Whether you want to defend Early Access or not, it's pretty common sense that a billion dollar company should be truthful when marketing it.
@@Lonarra1 yea true, they always do weird cuts and cancelations when they say otherwise.
it's just a scammy business model...i dont see the point of release an xpac delayed between players....it should be a Celebrations for everyone at the same time.....
It sucks that there is really ANY kind of advantage for early access, but also, none of it will matter by the time we're through the first raid tier. Granted, that's a while away. I have early access, but I'm honestly just using the time to level my char and read all the quests. I'll get KSM and clear the raid on normal just to see it. I like to keep it chill.
Sure, but that's like saying nothing we do right now will matter because the next expansion comes out in a few years. All of your achievements in WoW lose meaning over time, but what matters is that the gear advantages you gain right now will have a notable impact during Heroic Week in Nerub-ar Palace.
Carrot on a stick. With pay to win.
Welcome to the world of pay to win gaming. That being said 3 day isnt a whole lot of time for people with families and jobs they didn't take time off to play and 24 hours with an energy drink iv drip system set up to pull all nighters. People with responsibilities other then wow how often do you play on average a day? This only matters to the top 3% try hards. As for blizzard if i were to spend double for early access it better be worth it other wise no one would pay the cost of buying this expansion twice for 3 days of just lvling alts
This is a muti million dollar/billon dollar corporation do you really expect them to tell you the truth or not do something slimey. I mean this isn't the first time blizzard has done something to upset the fan base. They can lie all they want but most people are not dumb. But people will still defend it because thats what they do.
i dont see the problem with any of this OMG some people are geared and reped out and 80 before me. its just a video game people
The problem isn't the advantage itself, the problem is the billion dollar company saying flat out lies during interviews to mislead customers. Video game or not, that's still an unethical thing for a business to be doing.
Even a slight gear advantage just extrapolates itself. If I have 570 and someone has 560 I probably get invited first. Now I get 580 gear so guess what I keep getting invited and keep getting further and further ahead. Late access is terrible design I’ll say it again and again
The advantage only lasts maybea week and is only relevant if you are a race to world first raider planning tojump into mythic day 1
The advantage is relevant for anyone interested in pushing Mythic progression, not just "world first raiders".
@@Lonarra1 by the second week (where non world first MIGHT start. Mythic prog) the advantage is gone
@@JAG19d I don't think you understand how this works.
There are a lot of comment about people that are either very dumb or intentionally acting on bad faith and denying the obvious advantages you're getting from paying 40 more dollars to not get late access ;
Everytime the guy makes sure to explain stuff thoroughly to make sure even the most clueless people can understand but i'm starting to feel like people aren't even able to follow a simple chain of thought.
Harldan if you see this comment i recommend you don't spend more time reading and answering to moronic comments - all this sht does to us is costing time we could spend better elsewhere (whether on wow or something else) and tilt us from having to interact with monkeys
I think videos like this end up reaching people well outside my audience who are just looking for reasons to shit on other humans. If something doesn't seem important to them, they think it's worthless and so is anyone who cares about said thing. It's a bit exhausting, but hey, they're boosting the engagement on my video, so there's a silver lining.
@@Lonarra1 The same can be said to you. JUST because you view something as important doesn't mean it is. You said yourself Blizzard said IMPORTANT STUFF would be disabled. They did not leave specifics. So trying to find one key or clue in something that one person said somewhere to try to shit all over a company is nonsensical and diabolical. And it shows your alterier motives.
It's spelled ulterior motives, actually. Also, you can literally see clips from interviews in this video where they state "weekly quests will be disabled", and yet multiple weekly quests are working. Unfortunately it seems your reading comprehension is as dogshit as your ability to spell.
Exposing blizzard for lying...nah, Guide on how to get my moneys worth with my EA
When Blizzard said, "Come raid day, you won't be able to tell who had early access and who didn't." they did not lie. But that's because we only raid "Try Hards".
SOD has been fun. I haven't played retail in 10 years and I have no idea wtf is going on, but I'm giving it a go.
When Normal/Heroic raid launches there will be EA players gatekeeping non-EA players in PUGs because of the difference in ilvl, mark my words.
finally an ultimate way of filtering out non-comitted players, get rekt broke-boys (sarcasm obv)
It's more that blizzard doesn't have the integrity to not do trash like this. I didn't buy the expansion and only re subbed a week ago after being gone for a year. Not sure I'm going to. Blizzard's greed pisses me off.
Maybe they baked in a catch up system so that you can never be behind on keys the way you now cant really fall behind on crest cap, or the bullion cap this last season. However i still havent forgotten the roadmap for season 4 where they blatantly lied and said all raids would be awakened 7 weeks into the season then just.. changed their minds with no explanations and basically flipped us the middle finger. They made it significantly more difficult to farm a lot of crests for alts in an already dead season that had to compete with mop remix and cata classic. They do not respect the average retail players time it seems and the frequency of lies lately is worrying.
Not going to farm. I have no time for that
I've been saying this since they announced EA, it's impossible to not give any advantage for people with EA in a MMORPG like World of Warcraft, and that's why EA doesn't work in Wow.
Yeah this sucks but I don't have 40 dollars extra to spend for the Epic Edition. I live in a 3rd World Country. 😂😂😂 Serves me right.
Warband rep... So you can max out all of it by leveling alts no?
No, rep sources are all once per warband.
Early access is always an advantage. Blizzard, as usual. Screwed it up. But as a casual player, I am LOVING the lack of massive crowds of players all trying to get the same quest done at the same time resulting in blatantly screwing others over. Even the bottleneck quests are easier to complete. Early access is worth it just for that.
Yeah, I am super annoyed with this early access, in both my guilds 99% of everyone has the early access and are already leveled. So there goes leveling with guildies, also just super depressing to see everyone playing while I need to wait because I can't afford to buy the Epic edition which is almost double the price of base edition. Base edition with tax included is $73.44 CAD and the Epic edition with tax included is $129.94 CAD which is almost double the price of base edition. It comes with 30 days gametime and a pet, toy and hearthstone effect... so I get it, it has a bit more value but also the Early Access as well and that just bothers me that it's locked behind that paywall.
get over it. its been thing for 14 years for other games
Sounds like that's on your guild.
@@EmoDragracernice and easy of you to just shift the blame onto guildies, when blizzard divided the rich from the peasants.
I mean , i know friends could have waited to level together. But as we see, you would just hold them back.
I also let my friends have fun and enjoy the game, but im still feeling left out. Those feelings are not mutually exklusive. Especially since it isnt their fault.
@@doenos it is the his guildie's fault.
People had months to save up for epic edition so overrall its the players fault LOL.
@@EmoDragracer Troll it is up on blizzard including early access.
Damn, thats crazy
Min maxxing wasn't in their mind when they made those claims 🤣🤣🤣
Are the coffer keys warband currency or character-specific? I'm wondering if this is massively exploitable.
They are not warbound, so no, you can't transfer them. If they were transferrable this actually wouldn't matter much, since you could just level additional characters and funnel the keys over to your main.
I do not see how anyone thought that early access would not be an advantage. It is early access, its right in the name lol
It obviously gives some advantages, but Blizzard specifically stated that certain activities would be gated, and they aren't.
@@Lonarra1 Blizz lies all the time, i never trust Blizz. They are all about the money. Not saying it is right, it is disgusting but this is blizz and this blizz has been around and like this for over a decade now.
good! i paid for this unfair advantage since i need to work a ton all next week this makes me feel like i wont be behind
I'm glad you're happy, but the bigger issue is Blizzard not communicating this beforehand. People made their purchases based on incomplete information, and that's not ok.
Season isnt out till Sept something....pleeeenty of time to farm
You seem to have missed the point of the video, or you don't understand how gear progression in this game works.
I have EA. I didn't buy Epic for EA, but it's been nice not having mobs of people!
I do wonder, how much was intentional misleading and how much was WTF programming. Even three days early access... IDK 26-22 is not three!
That said, it may give an advantage to goblins and min-maxers - the majority of the player base it won't matter by October. I can guarantee, I know half a dozen people that won't have rep high enough for the gear you mentioned before the end of the year. Very c a s u a l players.
I do get your point though if it was intentional misleading/lies, then there's a definite problem.
Yea, this obviously won't matter for casual players, but anyone interesting in optimizing gear will care a lot of about the missed rewards. And obviously the bigger issue is the lying.
If people couldn't figure out that early access would give some sort of advantage regardless of what blizzard stated that on them.
So we're victim blaming now?
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Its actually insane value, all 35 of my 70's are in the new Hub starting their rested exp AND have done the crafting order quest for the free bag of profession materials. Adventure mode is unlocked and steady flight is unlocked, all before the rest of the population even steps in TWW. That being said, i hope they never do this shit again.
lol what a casual
I take it you didn't actually watch the video?
Early access was a bad idea since they announced it. Even if you couldn't do ANYTHING else other than leveling, it's still bad. First of all, global release people won't be able to level in war mode. Second, early access people will be able to jump straight into Heroics and get the better gear + vault while the rest will have to level and farm so they can do Heroics. And third, global release is MONDAY 1 AM, good luck doing all that at the start of a week when everyone is working. If they wanted that bullshit early access thing that much, it should be launched on a Tuesday and be strictly only questing for leveling, no professions, no renowns, no delv drops, no dungeon drops, main story and side quests only. Then they could do the global release on Friday so everyone can play, but i guess their crap servers can't do that.
Are you really surprised?
i mean you can bug out the game and get m+ gear from dragonflight lol
This has been fixed.
F early access
wow, shocking
You're missing the point.
Adventurer 4/8 dropped from M0 and Veteran 1/8 bought from reputation vendors are only 4 item levels apart.
593 to 597.
As M0 is a source of Carved Harbinger Crest we will not have a source of Runed Harbinger Crest until Season 1 starts.
Everyone item level, rich or poor, will be capped at 606. Veteran 8/8 or Champion 4/8;
And even if the crest cap doesn't allow to upgrade to 606. Those 4 item levels will be meaningless once Season 1 starts.
All of them will be trash.
You and I have a very different idea of meaningless. Sure, 4 item levels on a singular piece of gear may not seem like much, but 4 item levels overall can actually be rather significant. If you're looking to clear AotC on week 1, that very well could mean the difference between getting or the kill or not. We have no way of knowing, and obviously it's better to be safe than sorry.
None of this changes the entire point of my video, which isn't that the advantage is EXTREMELY large, it's that there is an advantage PERIOD. Blizzard stated in multiple interviews that Early Access wouldn't provide any advantage. It doesn't matter if you're getting a 1 item level advantage or a 10 item level advantage, it wasn't supposed to exist in the first place. So, no, you're actually the person missing the point here.
@@Lonarra1I’m not usually one to get into online debates but early access already was an advantage even if it was just levels this whole video just seems like you looking for a reason to complain about anything. Feels like a lot of people are reaching for something to be mad about
I hit 76 after finishing JUST isle of dorn and all the side quests… something is off with the leveling lol
Nah, Isle of Dorn is just REALLY good for leveling.
@@Lonarra1 i had to stop doing side quests once I was done there because I was leveling way too fast lol
delayed access
Let’s not pretend like this is something new, wow has always been P2W since they added the wow token, you can buy a boost for everting ingame. Still no one will be able to get to renown 20 or even renown 15 until the raid comes out. So that entire first part of the video is completely irrelevant. You have a point when it comes to coffee keys even tho these are in theory infinitely farmable once you complete the delve season, you can only complete 4 bountiful delves per day. Mythic guilds have been talking about this for weeks since you can farm about 4 keys per week so it’s 12 keys without early access and now it’s 13 in early access this still means a really really small potential difference of 13 ilvls on ONE piece of gear. Also you can of course get gear in slots that already are 597 bountiful delve gear which is not that unlikely to get the same slot after 13 tries. So yea gearingwise it won’t make a difference at all. The only advantage is being able to lvl a lot of characters in advance.
Just because it's nothing new doesn't mean we should suddenly stop calling it out.
whaaaat ??? :O .. blizz said one thing and did totally oposite ? .. whaaat eearly access has its advantages ?? who would have thought ?? :O:O:O :O O: /s
I’ve been selling R3 contracts on multiple alts for 50-80k each and selling like crazy.
Ahh yeah i got rep epics already
There are two different levels of rep epics. The veteran pieces are unlocked very early, and the champion pieces require a lot of additional grinding.
@@Lonarra1 If it ain't hero track or better I don't see a problem
Level 8 delves champ track gear won't last. Normal mode raid level seems to be super common anyways
This is specifically an issue for gearing pre raid and during the Heroic raid week. Stuff like this absolutely matters for people who push raid progress early on.
It's actually an advantage for them as everything will be cheaper by then
This is insane mental gymnastics.
The unfair advantages are kinda meh for most but definitely hardcore grinders who only sleep 3 hours a night this weekend will have quite an edge.
The launch time in my timezone was exactly 00:00 at night so I could only play a few hours before a quick nap for work.
I still managed to make a small fortune with mat farming during the day (playing at work) but the economy is waving between both extremes of crazy because I sold about 20k of leathers during the day and bought about 2x that amount (late at night) back for 2k because I decided to try and grind leatherworking in the end.