As a non-hela discard main, I am definitely getting Scorn. Helps that I also don't have Jean but if I pull Scorn before Jean then I'll just save and get Jean another day. Hopefully Discard can eat good with this engine and I'm excited.
I cant WAIT for Scorn. I play classic Discard all the time and win against really good players all the time using it. I like to use Moon Girl with my Collector/Discard. I think it will be even better with Scorn being copied.
Here is my perspective as a hardcore discard fan: Scorn looks like a promising card, it's an obvious alternative to Swarm, and i am really curious to see how she will perform, i hope her release also means that we see more people experimenting with Discard packedges as a whole again. I am unsure how to say it, but even though she seems to be a strong card, i kind of doubt that she will make Apoc Discard meta again in her current form. But i do think she will be a noticeable Upgrade to the archetype as a whole. At worst, i can put her in a Discard Deck and stop worrying about drawing Swarm on Turn 6 when i might want/need to play Modoc on Turn 6 for several reasons and this case alone is enough for me to buy her. Within classic Discard Scorn, she has two big differences to Swarm: 1. Her buff mechanic theoretically can scale less than Swarms self multiplication, but in exchange, she doesn't take as much hand and board space. Scorn has a higher possible ceiling overall, other synergies with cards like Shaw, Daken or Scarlet Spider (even thou i doubt they are viable). On the other hand, Scorn has slightly less synergy with Collector and no advantage on certain locations that want to be filled up fast. Buffing as mechanic also means that Scorn is better against clog but more vulnerable against Shadow King. 2. Her default cost is 1 instead of 2 power. And this may be a bigger deal than you think -> not only changes this Scorn's interactions with many of the targeted discard effects, BUT Like i said it also fixes one of the biggest weaknesses/annoyances of "Classic Dependable Discard" since the American Chavez change: if you want/need to play Modoc on turn 6, you often run into the danger of drawing Swarm before you can discard or play him (mostly T6), possibly reducing the chance that your Dracula hits Apoc down to a 1/3 at worst. (The option of running Corvus Glaive could already kinda fix that, but it is rarely worth it as you do not always draw him, and his effect with 2 random discards always runs the danger of dicarding your other key cards) Now with Scorn, you always should be able to empty your hand without big problems; (except you if you run Helicarrier, but i dont consider that classic discard, and even if you do it's a lot more manageable as drawing Swarm last turn) I know i mostly rambled on about a little edge case here that only applies to less than 10% of games, but i truly believe that this one of the most frustrating things about Classic Discard currently. Drawing Swarm T6 can and will make you lose otherwise save games out of "nowhere" that you would have won otherwise. Or in other words, it made snapping before you drew Swarm a huge gamble even though you drew every other key card.
I love discard archetype bc of the gorgeous animation of apoc and dracula procs. AND addition of SCORN animation which looks really sick on top of that?? is just pure fire 🔥 Sign me up.
Big discard fan! Definitely gonna get Scorn! Maybe Jean too. Guardians control is a thing so is war machine ongoing. Maybe we can have some cool brews. Thanks for the great explanation. The problem in discard Dracula was that if you didn't have apocalypse in hand, threre was practically no plan b.
Can see Scorn finding a niche in machine gun Gambit-type decks, as both a contingency for Swarm and Apoc while able to put somewhat decent stats on the board. Everywhere else seems like a dud unless Scorn can create her own archetype. Hela is obviously very selective with its discarding (e.g. Sif but only if Hela is not in hand or both Hela and Death are in hand), and even Traditional Discard is selective in that it wants to focus discards on Apocalypse and use cards like Moon Knight to discard Swarm/Proxima. Scorn wants to be in a deck that doesn't care too much about what it discards from hand, where a card that regenerates and adds value isn't too bad. There aren't many existing Discard decks actually doing that.
I always do the discard bounties, and I use a discard deck. I'm not using keys to get Scorn, but I will pin her until I know she helps the Apocalypse decks.
Thanks for the video Docty. You're right, discard decks are a 50 or less win rate because of the meta and counter decks. But I have question about Docty's Daken Discard Deck. The deck has a Dracula and swarm card. Dracula's effect on the card is random cause it's annoying cause you want to Dracula absorb Apocalypse power but it ends up draining swarm power instead. I only say this because whenever I play it I ended up losing often because of the rotation of my cards and it's really frustrating. I will get the Scorn card this week.
Hi Docty! 😊 Thanks for the video, i love it! I think that Scorn is a very interesting card, and i'm playing discard specially to complete bounties, but unfortunately, i'm going to skip her because i have 2 keys saved for Toxin and maybe Elsa Bloodstone, and i'm afraid that if i use them now, i could get a repeated card, or Sebastian Shaw who is just good on Surfer decks only. Have a very nice day! 😊
1. After Scorn and Surtur in November traditional discard will never really exist anymore. There will be 4 or five different discard type of decks with various win conditions and finally traditional discard will be forgotten. 2. Never play red guardian with white widdow... is a waste. Wait for WW rework and play red guardian in decks as a counter to something important such as a Wong. 3. Scream is good :P but is played in the wrong type of deck :P
Normally - No. They are very vocal about OTA/Patch schedules and they buff/nerf cards all the time. Hearthstone gave refunds for nerfed cards but rarely nerfed cards; it's a completely different system. The exception being a card that gets nerfed ASAP. I wouldn't mind cards that get nerfed within 30 days of release [or a different short time frame] to be compensated ~500 tokens or some small but meaningful amount.
you should really only pull if you have 4 keys. keep 6k tokens for situations like this. easier said than done I know, but you really shouldn't pull unless you have 4 keys
I feel like she could make Dakken playable, lmao he was decent for 2 months after his release and then literally everyone never played him again outside a couple kill monger surfer decks before S Shaw came out
On paper its a good card but in reality not that good because you need to discard it and discard is not like destroy where you choose what to do. You cant choose to discard it (or with a odd-cost card ) so its too hard to play around it
I dont see them nerfing her at all she is not crazy op as how toxin will be and scream feel more powerfull ppl overhyped miek for discard yet lool at him now 😂 if anything getting nerfed is the warmachine storm legion combo
@@chadikhr7258 Fair but their last two or three patches have been just bad so at this point I'm more willing to believe they'll nerf Scorn than anything, lol
If one wants to play discord she can be insane but if one has no desire to play discard then she's the easiest skip of this month. Saying that I highly doubt she will be discarded more then two times a game
she'll be my first instant buy in a long time since I do love modok Discard
I’m going to get Scorn day one, and I’m going to make a Gambit Machine gun deck with Scorn and Misery and I will be happy even if the deck is bad
As a non-hela discard main, I am definitely getting Scorn. Helps that I also don't have Jean but if I pull Scorn before Jean then I'll just save and get Jean another day.
Hopefully Discard can eat good with this engine and I'm excited.
I cant WAIT for Scorn. I play classic Discard all the time and win against really good players all the time using it.
I like to use Moon Girl with my Collector/Discard. I think it will be even better with Scorn being copied.
Lol love the philosophy "2nd dinner will boost or wreck cards with abandon, buy the cards that call out to your soul!!"
i love apoc discard so i’m grabbing this card immediately! great video!
Here is my perspective as a hardcore discard fan:
Scorn looks like a promising card, it's an obvious alternative to Swarm, and i am really curious to see how she will perform, i hope her release also means that we see more people experimenting with Discard packedges as a whole again. I am unsure how to say it, but even though she seems to be a strong card, i kind of doubt that she will make Apoc Discard meta again in her current form. But i do think she will be a noticeable Upgrade to the archetype as a whole. At worst, i can put her in a Discard Deck and stop worrying about drawing Swarm on Turn 6 when i might want/need to play Modoc on Turn 6 for several reasons and this case alone is enough for me to buy her.
Within classic Discard Scorn, she has two big differences to Swarm:
1. Her buff mechanic theoretically can scale less than Swarms self multiplication, but in exchange, she doesn't take as much hand and board space. Scorn has a higher possible ceiling overall, other synergies with cards like Shaw, Daken or Scarlet Spider (even thou i doubt they are viable). On the other hand, Scorn has slightly less synergy with Collector and no advantage on certain locations that want to be filled up fast. Buffing as mechanic also means that Scorn is better against clog but more vulnerable against Shadow King.
2. Her default cost is 1 instead of 2 power. And this may be a bigger deal than you think -> not only changes this Scorn's interactions with many of the targeted discard effects,
BUT
Like i said it also fixes one of the biggest weaknesses/annoyances of "Classic Dependable Discard" since the American Chavez change: if you want/need to play Modoc on turn 6, you often run into the danger of drawing Swarm before you can discard or play him (mostly T6), possibly reducing the chance that your Dracula hits Apoc down to a 1/3 at worst. (The option of running Corvus Glaive could already kinda fix that, but it is rarely worth it as you do not always draw him, and his effect with 2 random discards always runs the danger of dicarding your other key cards)
Now with Scorn, you always should be able to empty your hand without big problems; (except you if you run Helicarrier, but i dont consider that classic discard, and even if you do it's a lot more manageable as drawing Swarm last turn)
I know i mostly rambled on about a little edge case here that only applies to less than 10% of games, but i truly believe that this one of the most frustrating things about Classic Discard currently. Drawing Swarm T6 can and will make you lose otherwise save games out of "nowhere" that you would have won otherwise. Or in other words, it made snapping before you drew Swarm a huge gamble even though you drew every other key card.
I love discard archetype bc of the gorgeous animation of apoc and dracula procs. AND addition of SCORN animation which looks really sick on top of that?? is just pure fire 🔥 Sign me up.
I think people are sleeping on Scorn 👀
I have 4 keys, to make sure i will get her hahahahaha
My favorite cards, are the discards deck
I love the Shaw callout ❤
♥️🐙
Since I have Surfer I've been saving keys so I can for sure get Shaw. I wouldn't mind getting Scorn for discard, even if I don't have Dracula yet.
only card im getting this month. no regrets! love the disco.
For sure getting Scorn, and she might be the only one this season
Docty had to sit down because of how awesome this card is 👀
Big discard fan! Definitely gonna get Scorn! Maybe Jean too. Guardians control is a thing so is war machine ongoing. Maybe we can have some cool brews. Thanks for the great explanation. The problem in discard Dracula was that if you didn't have apocalypse in hand, threre was practically no plan b.
Can see Scorn finding a niche in machine gun Gambit-type decks, as both a contingency for Swarm and Apoc while able to put somewhat decent stats on the board.
Everywhere else seems like a dud unless Scorn can create her own archetype. Hela is obviously very selective with its discarding (e.g. Sif but only if Hela is not in hand or both Hela and Death are in hand), and even Traditional Discard is selective in that it wants to focus discards on Apocalypse and use cards like Moon Knight to discard Swarm/Proxima.
Scorn wants to be in a deck that doesn't care too much about what it discards from hand, where a card that regenerates and adds value isn't too bad. There aren't many existing Discard decks actually doing that.
Corvus decks.... And they nerfed Hellcow to discard one card only :(
Should I get Misery? please advice
I'm one of those guys who has full inked discard, I think im gonna use tokens to get scorn and revive the OG discard deck
I always do the discard bounties, and I use a discard deck. I'm not using keys to get Scorn, but I will pin her until I know she helps the Apocalypse decks.
Thanks for the video Docty. You're right, discard decks are a 50 or less win rate because of the meta and counter decks. But I have question about Docty's Daken Discard Deck. The deck has a Dracula and swarm card. Dracula's effect on the card is random cause it's annoying cause you want to Dracula absorb Apocalypse power but it ends up draining swarm power instead. I only say this because whenever I play it I ended up losing often because of the rotation of my cards and it's really frustrating. I will get the Scorn card this week.
Im pulling for scorn 👍
Hi Docty! 😊 Thanks for the video, i love it! I think that Scorn is a very interesting card, and i'm playing discard specially to complete bounties, but unfortunately, i'm going to skip her because i have 2 keys saved for Toxin and maybe Elsa Bloodstone, and i'm afraid that if i use them now, i could get a repeated card, or Sebastian Shaw who is just good on Surfer decks only. Have a very nice day! 😊
Looking for some advice i have 4 keys and 7000 tokens i will be getting scorn and toxin i need to cards from each. I'm not sure who to use keys on.
Will probs buy her with tokens to be honest, genuinely a really exciting card that looks really fun to play
How about using Moongirl to get 2 Scorns that are already boosted. Modok on T5.
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That's big brain. Could work with Daken too!
Love traditional discard but I'm not sure if I will key because the other 2 cards are niche too.
She’s going in my Gambit deck instead of Swarm…or maybe both Swarm and her.
pulling for scorn and the shaw variant!!
1. After Scorn and Surtur in November traditional discard will never really exist anymore. There will be 4 or five different discard type of decks with various win conditions and finally traditional discard will be forgotten.
2. Never play red guardian with white widdow... is a waste. Wait for WW rework and play red guardian in decks as a counter to something important such as a Wong.
3. Scream is good :P but is played in the wrong type of deck :P
Discarding her a bunch and playing scorn + Modok on 6 is gonna feel great
I dont have jean or shaw so im gonna get scorn.
Im saving my keys for Scorn Hub🤣🤣🤣
Hey Docty I have a question. Do you think they should give some kind of compensation to players who got a card after it gets nerfed?
Normally - No. They are very vocal about OTA/Patch schedules and they buff/nerf cards all the time. Hearthstone gave refunds for nerfed cards but rarely nerfed cards; it's a completely different system.
The exception being a card that gets nerfed ASAP. I wouldn't mind cards that get nerfed within 30 days of release [or a different short time frame] to be compensated ~500 tokens or some small but meaningful amount.
Shes a pretty cool card
Definitely a must have card. But very likely to get nerfed
I got 2 keys saved for scorn. I better hit
you should really only pull if you have 4 keys. keep 6k tokens for situations like this. easier said than done I know, but you really shouldn't pull unless you have 4 keys
@@monkeywiener that's the exact advice my friend told me. I'm going to ignore both of you and rage when both my keys miss 😡
@@kwodjo 🤭😂😂
I feel like she could make Dakken playable, lmao he was decent for 2 months after his release and then literally everyone never played him again outside a couple kill monger surfer decks before S Shaw came out
X23 + wolverine + Apoc
Save us mami Scorn!
The problem is, when something is too good in discard, like apocalypse or miek, they just nerf it. Look at miek now...
Thanks Docty. Can I snap on Scorn yet?
Yes definitely. She is a missing core piece for discard.
Red Guardian doesn't counter Scorn, as Scorn is not meant to be played.
Scorn counter is Doctor Octopus or Baron Zemo.
Red Guardian indirectly counters Scorn - Scorn will love Morbius & Dracula which both get hard countered by Red Guardian.
Its a 1 cost apoc? I mean its gonna be fine..
U seem chill doc if
I ever see u in person. I'm a ask for a pic with the doc
Like, agent venom 1 4+.. HELO!!!
On paper its a good card but in reality not that good because you need to discard it and discard is not like destroy where you choose what to do. You cant choose to discard it (or with a odd-cost card ) so its too hard to play around it
I'm going to get her anyway but after this last patch im half expecting SD to wait a week or two then nerf her some how, lmao.
I dont see them nerfing her at all she is not crazy op as how toxin will be and scream feel more powerfull ppl overhyped miek for discard yet lool at him now 😂 if anything getting nerfed is the warmachine storm legion combo
@@chadikhr7258 Fair but their last two or three patches have been just bad so at this point I'm more willing to believe they'll nerf Scorn than anything, lol
Do you have a gameplay channel?
No offense but what I see you do is rating cards every week
This is my only channel - I don't post deck guides/gameplay videos anymore.
Zoo we mamasita
If one wants to play discord she can be insane but if one has no desire to play discard then she's the easiest skip of this month. Saying that I highly doubt she will be discarded more then two times a game
Save for toxin y’all
OOPS ITS SCORN NOT MISERY
Just fixed, thank you!
Title is wrong.
Just fixed, thank you!
Good card, awful spotlight. Simple for me : skip.
And scorn will be trash on discard
but how do you figure??