These Nostalgic Yu-Gi-Oh Products Could Be Improved.
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- I don't hate these old-school Yu-Gi-Oh products, but they could definitely afford some improvements for the modern day. What do you all think?
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_Sorry, everyone. We're only recording softcore Yu-Gi-Oh tonight._
Lol I'm never going to call myself a "casual" again. I am now, and forever a "Softcore Yu-Gi-Oh Star."
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Pfft😂 never heard of that term when referring to Yu-Gi-Oh
The modern game is unplayable to new players so nostalgia is all they have.
True. I switched to magic bcuz getting ppl into Yugioh is Sooo much work. I still like the nostalgia pandering tho lol
im pretty sure konami will pull the plug on yugioh in a decade or two they cant attract young audience or any new players and the current audience is mostly just middle aged people unless they find a way to make people in retirement homes still buy and play their products ygo will die out quickly
This
former old player here, quit back in the synco summon era. Mostly out of childish reasons but whenever I tried going back to yugiho I found the game so wildly different that I both couldn't get back into it or really like it. Magic the gathering was a much better card game (quit that 4 year ago tho due to other reasons. Wizards being a shitty company mostly.)
i actually don’t think the people who are buying these are just wandering into a yugioh tournament trying to play with it. Most of the people who quit playing before never competed in tournaments to begin with and/or quit because of synchros/xyz/pendulums/links. Those people might never be satisfied with an updated deck, they just want to play in a casual format like the playground again.
Exactly this. Konami tries pandering to people who never even got a real taste of the game, even of their time, but keeps making them bad products anyways. I'd much rather get an authentic set of utopia and Stardust dragon get a set clashing or red hot dragon archfiend and galaxy eyes over the Egyptian god structure decks. It's not like kids just stopped existing after the DM anime. There's plenty of people who'd probably pick something up if they saw their childhood was being represented too instead of BEWD and DM dueling again. Konami just kinda gave up on other fans before they even began and keeps giving DM fans who already hate the game more things
@@mgreysanders clearly the fan base is failing to communicate this because if it didn't work they wouldn't keep doing it Konami lives to make money so if the DM pandering was so worthless why do they keep doing it? Either they wish to go broke or the real answer is people but the product enough to continue justifying it
People buy these products for nostalgia, then these people try to play in locals etc. And they get absolutely destroyed and get completely turned off from playing Yugioh
Oh the contrary. I get completely turned on from playing Yugioh.
First hand experience of being old school player coming into the current new age meta of what yu gi oh is now. That is correct. However I'm already slowly learning my way through, and can actually compete against all decks now...Granted It's more like a win 1 out of 20 legitimately when against the scummiest decks *coughs* Snake eyes *coughs* But yeah, I've gone on a 10 win streak twice maybe 3 times with salamangreat, platinum last season, so I've clearly learnt some shi xD
Better way to explain it would be Yu Gi Oh used to be low IQ friendly...Not anymore unfortunately for those who cannot enjoy the game anymore
@@TOBC-j6o snake eyes really isnt scummy, wait til you go up against someone playing runick, that person is satan. prepare to not play yugioh and have your entire deck get banished.
Uh, no. These products aren’t for people that play the game. It’s for collectors. People that want to open packs for the OG cards instead of going on EBay and buying them. I don’t play YuGiOh at all, and I gave all my cards from the original series to my cousin, but if I seen the God card boxes in a store I’d probably buy one because as a kid I never got a chance to pull them or even have them. Just for a keepsake. Not for actually playing. That’s why they come out with these nostalgia packs.
@@SRT_DRE facts. I would buy to get those cards I could never afford as a kid 🥲
These products aren’t for people that play the game. It’s for collectors. People that want to open packs for the OG cards instead of going on EBay and buying them. I don’t play YuGiOh at all, and I gave all my cards from the original series to my cousin, but if I seen the God card boxes in a store I’d probably buy one because as a kid I never got a chance to pull them or even have them. Just for a keepsake. Not for actually playing. That’s why they come out with these nostalgia packs.
You just described what pokemon did their anniversary pack (Evolutions) - release all the base set cards with the same art, and similar template to older cards, but updating all of the stats and effects for modern game. Granted it was still a nostalgia pack and 90% still didn't see competitive play, but a few cards DID. It wasn't just a rerelease, it was an actual new set.
It's the same with the 151 pack - all the original 151 pokemon updated and re-released. Total nostalgia bait for the 40 yo's. And it totally worked too.
Wow just YES! I would be totally cool with treating older yugioh stuff like Pokemon does. If we got an Evolutions style set with LOB that would be FIRE!
Something like evolutions could actually be pretty interesting. They would just have to tread very carefully like what Pokemon did, its walking a tightrope but could be very cool
It's purely nostalgia and expectations of old cards, for an authentic pack opening experience with bygone card sets. I don't think they need to be playable or revamped at all. There's other product for people who want otherwise.
That's a fair take. I think my biggest undoing is expecting every product to be a gateway into Yu-Gi-Oh when, in reality, it's fine for them to just exist as a quick, fun nostalgia hit.
Actually the idea of a "Legend of Blue-Eyes: Reloaded" isn't a bad idea. It can add in a few of the modern cards that support the archetypes featured in it. Like Magician's Souls could get a Super reprint, along with Bingo Machine GO. That or they really should just print all the updated Anime Legacy Deck Support (Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, Heroes, Harpies, Etc.) in new Structure Decks, so we have more space in the regular sets for new things. Core Sets should only be for new archetypes imo, legacy can have structures and those special reprint/Legendary Duelist sets. I'm probably wrong about that, but that'd be my ideal Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Economy as a Softcore Yu-Gi-Oh Star.
I totally agree! That way people who want the retrains of older cards don't have to buy a whole box of a new set they may not care about.
I get that most people remember the original Duel Monsters show from way back when, but imo if Konami keeps nostalgia pandering, do it for different series. Tons of newer players grew up with shows like 5DS, Zexal, Arc-V, etc, so why not try to do those series instead of DM?
And if Konami is gonna reprint old boxes (legendary collection, legendary decks, etc) do it for ones that have been out of print more - I’d love to see a legendary dragon decks reprint, a reprint of legendary hero decks, hell even reprinting those Yugi kaiba collectors boxes that have the jumbo card, duelist packs, and reloaded starter decks if you’re gonna reprint duel monsters nostalgia.
Because they’re not as iconic. That’s the same reason why Game Freak keeps repurposing the kanto starters and Pikachu.
Yugioh is also the only one to have five seasons and two movies to itself.
Because it’s not iconic. The west only see the original and maybe GX during the hey day. Now, if you ask, most would say DM or GX, because they’re the most well known.
It’s different in Japan - if you look over there, they tend to give much more balanced treatment to all the series, including the Rush ones.
A good example is the live duel events with voice actors. If you look at the list, you’ll see Japan has a tonne of live duels between characters from later series (when Arc-V and Vrains were airing, it was almost entirely characters from those), but the number of live duels in America that don’t involve a character from DM can be counted on one hand.
@@johnathanlemus5584 5Ds is the most memorable one for me because I was 7 when GX ended and wasn't keeping up with weekly shows at the time. On demand wasn't a thing for me and I didn't want to wait to see a new episode of a show that only aired once a week or at an awkward time when there were other shows had reruns throughout the week, even for new episodes.
Nostalgia Pandering isn't bad if done occasionally, but for the past 6 years or so, it feels like Konami has been milking DM era dry. Like I get you wanna take the free money on the table thats there with DM Pandering, but at some point the consumer will get tired of it. To be fair in recent years they have been trying to be more unique on which decks will receive legacy support. Like for example the two DM era packs in Series 12 (Legacy of Destruction and Infinite Forbidden) are both DM era but they're Exodia and Yugi Moto's Season 5 deck retrains. (Gandora, Silent Magician/Swordsman)
Not just the standard "More Dark Magician and Blue Eyes"
GX has this too. Recently we've been getting more deep cuts like; Volcanic, Fossil, Arcana Force, Yubel, Ancient Gears, Crystal Beast (etc.) then just the standard "More HEROs"
You get me?
The Arcana Force card they released in the ocg was just an anime-only card that needed a proper release because it was story-relevant in the anime. You don't even know how hype Arcana Force retrains would make me. Yes they would still suck HARD but if they made the archetype even mildly playable I would cry in happiness
At least the old set reprints were good for GOAT format players
I agree but even if you are a goat player and buy those old sets, you are still only looking for a few cards out of them and they are mostly high rarity(Delinquent Due, Dimension Fusion, etc.) and they didn't even reprint some of the sets with crazy Goat cards at common like Pharonic Guardian or to a lesser extent Ancient Sanctuary.
From a collector's POV, I was glad they reprinted the old sets. I could fill in some of the blanks I have without having to break the bank. However, I didn't buy the boxes. I bought the singles. Opening the old sets is a huge loss unless you get really good pulls. They could have at least released these sets with an increased number of secret rares, ultra rares, and so on in each pack/box. That way you wouldn't be losing so much. Because any card you pull from these is not going to have the value of the OG prints. So might as well give us a higher chance of getting the harder to get cards.
from a collectors pov, i was thoroughly disapointed by these reprint sets because they used the modern card layout.
Voiceless voice and Ishizu earth fairies are technically retrains of duel monsters era cards, they're just nota supporting things like Dark Magician and Blue-eyes for whatever reason
Why would they support those two? None of the retrains were ever used by Yugi or Kaiba.
@@RazielTheUnborn yugi's chimera, imp and gazelle also got a retrain archetype. And they don't suck
Paying to have unplayable cards is one of the worst feelings as a new player
Very true... But the best Yugi Bait was Battles of Legends, those pack/box sets that come with a Dice😂
Obviously better to buy singles from that set../but if you happen to buy just 2... And find a Elemental Hero Stratos ... Destiny Hero Malicious...😂🎉 Yay... Now buy the singles
As someone living in China for work atm and still collecting tcg, it's so painful seeing all the ocg sets XD . Really feels like being a tcg player is being a 2nd class card citizen. They have so much more availability, all the important cards are more easily available. Building a Snake-Eyes deck, for example, is a fraction of the price as it would be in the tcg. Would love anything in the tcg to bridge the gap a little.
I'm happy you mentioned the tactical-try decks, even just the cydra deck looks like a ton of value and a great starting point for players. I'd love to see more of those kind of products that are meant as great entry points for people wanting to dip their feet into modern-esque yugioh.
Yes and yes. Konami has been so annoying trying to sell old products by new printings to get OG players captivated when in reality, its just a nostalgia bait to get sells.
I like your idea, but its best to take out the iconic OG cards because they've got so many releases and many rarities to the point I lost count. Also, about the structure decks, you really nailed that one.
It would've been neat if they focus their efforts on pushing Illusions and Mnemtos, whose aesthetics directly appeal to the nostalgic sentimentality without just giving people old vanillas.
But I imagine the ever lasting quarter century celebration with be picking up the slack as we carry on.
The reprints are the obly reason my friend group is buying yugioh.
If its supposed to be for modern we would not be buying any yugioh.
You are not looking for a reprint of vanillas though. You are not looking for Monster Egg to be reprinted, but rather GOAT staples. Just make updated GOAT sets that have more printings (in multiples rarities even) of the cards you are trying to get.
At that point, just make a collection of all the old YGO sets, like the Numbers Box that was in OCG. Make it a reasonable price or split the box with different criteria and boom, nostalgia players would buy it. Add some promo card that has a chance to be collectors if you want to pander to collectors.
For the vanillas? Make it a collection, maybe add some sleeves of nostalgia vanillas. Boom, another nostalgia product with appeal.
I like monster egg @@RNGHater
Normally I'm not that hooked onto nostalgia to the point the wool covers my eyes, the 25th Anniversary TCG was a nice treat but that nice feel goes away immediately the moment I realize that this was a waste. Sure I don't play competitively, just casually, collect cards and mostly play their mobile games like MD and DL.
My issue with these products pandering to the Yugiboomers, is well that's it just focused on Duel Monsters (1st YGO, OG YGO, whatever name they give for the 1st YGO in the series). I look at the OCG and they're giving love to all series for the 25th Anniversary, no correction, they've always done so since forever. I'm like where's that amount of love here in the TCG at? Not all of us are close minded, most of us love the other series be it GX, 5Ds, ZEXAL even. Hell they even celebrated 5Ds 15th Anniversary last year with some nice merch. Man they always get the cool stuff be it merch or card collectors editions like the ZEXAL Numbers Collection File with all the 100 Number cards.
Doesn’t matter what you like. In the end. DM is what started the craze. America couldn’t be bothered to finished gx, 5ds, or anything. People hate arc-v and zexal. And Rush.
@@DarkEclipse23 Yup gotta appeal to the nostalgic unfortunately 😔
@DarkEclipse23 I think the problem with this is that kids still grew up with these other eras, whether or not they're the original. Konami will never pull DM fans into the game and they should just give up, because all they do is sell them lies. I'd much rather Konami recognizes its fans who grew up with 5Ds and Zexal at minimum and they'd probably have a far better chance pulling them in instead of people who basically already hate the game
@@mgreysanders Well said. Quit pandering to them already, not all of us are so stuck up with nostalgia. As I said, there are fans of other series whether it's hated on, like ZEXAL and Sevens, or loved like GX and 5Ds. They would love to get a taste of what the OCG has been selling for years.
Please bring the missing booster boxes
Magicians force, pheronic gaurdian, legacy of darkness and labyrinth of nightmares!
I'm a big fan of the re release of LoB cause I don't play modern yugioh or anything, and it's very nostalgia driven. But I agree, they shouldn't be priced the same as a regular pack/box. Should have been a cheaper set all together. Won't stop me from grabbing a few when I see em at walmart tho lmao
Something I’ll mention is that these products are most likely not designed for people who want to “take down” or even go to their local card shop. We have to remember that many people still like just COLLECTING the cards and don’t care about playing or competing, which is perfectly fine!
Pokemon tcg exemplifies this the most, I would say. Many people from kids of today to kids of 20 years ago, and even influencers buy Pokemon cards mostly to collect and trade. I remember so many kids collecting and trading cards, but never knowing how to play the game of Pokemon cards. And that was perfectly fine!
These Yugioh products might not be the best gateway into getting someone to show up to their local game store, but that’s fine too, imo. They still enjoy the game enough to buy a $30+ product because it meant/means something to them.
I'm fine with nostalgic products, but like, can we get some 5D's, Zexal, and arc-V nostalgic bait in there too? Arc-V is fucking 10 years old now.
Because to them, most people remember DM. Maybe GX, but there is a reason why they focus on the first series anime
Because DM and maybe GX are iconic. To them, it’s where The rest just fell off, and especially ARC-V where they think it killed YGO and not YGO anymore.
@spicymemes7458 I think making products specifically to sell for fans who's main experience is the anime, mainly the DM Era isn't inherently a bad thing. I think the problem lies when they ONLY keep representing those fans for a quick buck. My solution is they they just make these sets for specific characters and the role they play. Like a rivals set, MC set, villain set, best friend set, etc. With half anime centric cards and half modern support cards and a pamphlet on how to use the other mechanics returning players aren't familiar with. Konami has to stop lying to these people who've only played yugioh for the first couple years or only have the playground as a reference
Yeah normal folks, or folks who remember good ole yugioh gravitate towards DM, GX, and MAYBE 5ds, the other stuff is wack no one's gonna buy into that for nostalgia not even current players unless the cards in it are good lol
@@W_Sir_Morpheus the thing is, this isn't true. All original fans already decided they hate the game because it's not the playground version they remember. In Japan, all series are pretty celebrated. There's still people who grew up on the other series, who'd probably love to see Utopia and Stardust dragon on their target shelf. Konami would have a better chance trying to give those fans a chance instead of selling DM Era fans lies with Egyptian god structure decks and a gold sarcophagus every year especially when they've decided they already hate the game ever since it ever tried giving itself an identity outside their childhood
As someone who has been following this channel for years who played Yugioh back in the day but doesn't play Yugioh now, these types of products are actually great for people like me. I am not interested in playing Yugioh as it exists today. I am interested in playing Yugioh with some friends like it was when I played it. Playing with structure decks with friends has also been a great time! Honestly when I want to play a more complex tcg I just play Magic.
I loved opening a Legendary Collection box. I now own a ton if cards that I'd only ever seen in the old video games, and I finally have regained the god card promos that I sold off years ago. It does help that I got good pulls (Blue-Eyes and Chaos Emperor), but it helped remind me what I loved about the game, and prompted me to look into the newer cards to play at locals again.
It was so fun simply opening the packs that I wish they'd do the same for other eras, because not everyone gree up with DM era but all fans should have the chance for a similar experience. Plus, when people see some of the older cards, there's a decent chance that people will realize new ways to use them with recent cards and break up the meta, which would be fun for variety as well.
I thought I was going crazy when I saw LDK2 back on the shelves. I was like is this a new version or a re-release
as a Yugi boomer from a third world country I was happy with these 25th boosters reprints cuz let me experience something I didn't experience at the time which was opening booster with original products and I'm slowly going back to the game and learning the new modern stuff too ( but still I wanna keep it as casual as possible though) and made two caveman decks to play with my brother and friends, it is fun.
Yeah they still could be better though, like increase the rare cards ratio and I wished the gods card from the box where the real deal.
...still better to that fiasco MTG did for their anniversary.
These kinds of products got me back into Yugioh. Im buying all the nostalgia items and looking at new sets, not to play but to collect. Now lets reprint magicians force and the other first sets 😂.
I think you missed the point on this one Paul. People don’t buy these expecting them to be playable in a competitive environment, I don’t even play the game anymore but bought all the legendary decks just to have them.
Exactly. I just wanna look at ‘em in the sleeves and feel nostalgia
I do agree with this in some ways but I think they should leave the old sets alone. I know they aren't great but as an old collector I would hate to see LOB or any old classic set like that changed from the original.
They should pander by giving actual GOOD support to old nostalgic archetypes. Imagine a structure deck that makes Blue-Eyes competitive, it would sell like hotcakes.
Konami has a million ways to chop up free money. Kaiba rarely appears on products since 2016 that aren’t amazing. They save him for those times when they want to pivot the entire franchise. 2016 blue eyes nuked pendulum, then the link era followed soon after.
Totally agreed with your take. Even if these nostalgia sets are not updated to be meta, you can still make them interesting. For example, the TCG never got the og ultimate rares like SM-51 Blue-eyes or Ultimate rare Jinzo, Thousand-eyes and B. Skull Dragon for unknown reasons. Why not add those in the 25th reprint sets? The reprint sets were such a lazy job because they changed nothing and just copy pasted the old set. It was nothing but a half-assed cash grab. I think that at the end of the day, it always boils down to Konami TCG not caring at all about the fans. They never have, and they never will. It's the only way to explain why all our products are inferior to the OCG in a 1 to 1 comparison for any product. Konami TCG is doing anything it can to work less, and make more.
Sets being so bad their killing physical stores are the issue for me anyway
I like these products because I collect old cards and play old formats
They need to remake other older sets like magicians force. trying to get an unlimited box is 1k+
I feel like if Konami hosted events where the old sets were used then it would allow people who bought them out of nostalgia to get use from them. It might even make those people more inclined to buy modern yugioh products. I know I would love to go to an event like that.
I feel like the issue with these new nostalgia based products is how people view the game. I got into some Pokemon and Yugioh again recently because of some level of nostalgia and when I went to buy Pokemon cards I went for the 151 collectors addition because I feel like Pokemon cards are fun to collect and that’s what spoke to me from my youth. But when it came time to buy Yugioh cards I went with the 25th anniversary rarity collection full of cards I had never used before because I felt like if I ever wanted to actually play this game that was what I needed to have any chance of having fun
people are buying these for goat format and edison, retro formats need the reprints
Bad as they may be, I actually like the old sets, mostly just because I like collecting things.
That said, something I think they could have done to improve the rereleases would have been this: in ADDITION to the usual rare-secret rare you get in your pack, add in one random card from this set, but make it into a random rarity from Super up (ex. You could pull a secret rare Petite Dragon, or a super rare Gaia the Dragon Champion). I just think it would be fun. (Plus, I really want to see some of the old commons printed in higher rarities).
I think re-releasing the original cards are a great idea to teach new people how to play. I want to teach my girlfriend who has never played a card game before but going in with the current meta is just not going to work.
I actually like the older sets being reprinted in all their old glory. I understand that many of those cards are just unplayable by modern standards, and they shouldn't be charging $5 for a pack of LOB, but it's really nice to be able to open these up and collect the cards for all the people who weren't around back then. When I first got back into modern yugioh, I kept going back and forth between getting the newer sets and hunting down an older set or structure deck that was still relatively cheap. And that's the other issue, yugioh cards are limited by their printings and even things released 3-4 years ago are most likely going to be selling for a decent chunk above MSRP unless the set utterly flopped. Getting reprints just for nostalgia bait is fine imo, but they definitely should be selling them at a lower price or at least as some kinds of themed bundles that have related promos or something on top of just the old cards
I was so happy to finally get the first six boosters reprinted. As a kid I couldn't afford to collect them. As an adult I spent $1500 AUD to complete the sets. I love nostalgia stuff, nothing wrong with it. The problem is the game has evolved beyond that point. I'd happily play decks from 2003 for the rest of my days because I had no one to duel as a kid.
What I dislike is when they do it piecemeal like they did with the legendary boosters, I shouldn't have to spend $40-60 on a box that doesn't give me a large chunk of cards from my childhood!
I also believe the meta ruins everything.
That being said though, if they can make decks like snake eyes and the such then surely konami could make meta relevant decks/support for Dark Magician. I just want to play as Yugi at locals and not lose all the time.
Still waiting for more alternate formats that compel people to try out and obtain cards for them than in turn, HOPEFULLY, would open more the options for Konami to make products, even if they include a lot of classic cards, so they are more entertaining beyond someone going “hey! I recognize blue eyes”, buying a box, not understanding what went wrong and permanently losing that person from the community instead of being someone eased into something. I think speed duel was a good idea to do so, but it needed a bit more work.
I completely agree this is how i actually got back into yugioh but i noticed the decks dont hold up i bought a saga of blue eyes deck and legendary box and the el dorado gold seem to have some good OG/modern cards
I want to be pandered too by officially supporting a format that plays like the game prior to 2015 using the themes from the old school game.
I really like that idea. Essentially "remake" the old packs like how modern video game remakes take the old stuff and update all the gameplay. Then you could still include some of the old cards as foils or with quarter century rare printings as well
I feel like these products were made specifically for me and me alone. I have no friends to play rhe game with, and no real intention of getting into tournaments or locals or w/e. But i did have a ton of nostalgia, got them, got excited, finally downloaded and acrually started playing master duel, and now I fully understand the modern game and am having a ton of fun with it.
The cards may not be good or useful in real life, but thats not what I personally needed or wanted, so I'm very happy they exist.
I usually agree with your takes on things, but I can't say I do this time. People like these products because they can play like they did back in school. They don't want modernized versions. They want nostalgia. If a new player tries these reprints and has fun, and then sees modern yugioh and doesn't like it that doesn't mean the reprints are bad. It means modern yugioh is not what that person likes. There is nothing wrong with both types of products existing side by side. To try and alter one product as a tool to bring people over to the other only results in ruining what that product is. I'd never say no to the reprint type products being cheaper though.
There are more issues that you are not even considering, because Nostalgia blinds you. Old sets didn't have a guaranteed Super in every pack. So your nostalgia made you waste say... 50-70 dollars on a box, where you maybe got a Super Rare Celtic Guardian. Cool, you could have gotten all those cards by buying singles for probably half the price. And if you only bought packs, the issue gets bigger.
No, the product needs an update, one way ot another. If you want your nostalgia... Just merge two sets that have too many vanillas, extract all vanillas that don't have a fusion related to them, and boom. A set that is worth buying for nostalgia and reprints for old school players.
@@RNGHater Those problems exist for modern sets as much as they do for older ones, only slightly different. Now you have sets where you have to get the rarest cards for archetypes to function at all, and have them split over multiple sets. You can buy singles from modern sets to make proficient decks cheaper than buying boxes and hoping.
It's not being blinded by nostalgia when the product is sought out for nostalgia. We accept the product for it's flaws and enjoy it all the same. If people didn't, then none of the reprint sets would have sold at all.
"Accept the flaws". Dude, we are still complaining about rarity distribution in the TCG compared to the OCG. Also, is the product really that "succesful" if it doesn't generate a new long-term client? This has been a problem in OCG. You think TCG, which has a worse card distribution than OCG, doesn't have this problem?
The Slifer and Obelisk Starter decks were aimed to Nostalgia Players. Didn't sold well, except for the HFD reprint. Which they reprinted months later in the Traptrix SD, which was a way better product even for retro format reprints (Yep HAT core).
There are better ways of doing Nostalgia product rather than a lazy effort that doesn't fix any of the issues for retro format enjoyers. I would love to play Edison... *look Trap Dustshoot price* Nevermind.
The thumbnail looks like you're taking back shots
Old decks (not just really old ones) I feel can be fun collectibles but I agree that there is an issue (esp with a returning player) who tries to play ancient cards vs modern cards
Implying Konami actually takes any of this advice in the first place. But for real, retro formats exist, they have a certain popularity, and thus an audience that which would actually spend money on some decent products related to the topic (Goat and Edison). Like... there is a market. Not sure why are they ignoring it.
I only dislike that the old cards dont get more support to make them meta, but they're are trying right now which is good for example the new Exodia Support from the new Infinite Forbidden Booster.
They get more support compared to most other decks. They'll just never be meta because decks like blue eyes still completely relies on the original card.
They might have the same card lists but these reprints do have some updated card texts, artworks, and(the change that drives me up the wall) having "/NORMAL" on the Normal Monsters.
I just wish that we could see new products that have the foldable board mats like the Red GX Legacy Box. Those mats are awesome.
The new booster boxes; Legacy of Destruction, and the Forbidden, include retrains(?) of Yugi Moto's Silent and Gadget cards. I'm glad they're showing my man some competitive love after all.
I'm a hardcore old school guy. I've been back into Yu-Gi-Oh since around November of last year. So my first real life pack was pretty recent despite being an old school fan. I would like to be able to open LOB packs TBH and I think there's much value in it to be.. Canon? I mean to say true as much as possible to the original thing. My original plan is to collect every card of these 4 old sets in binders. What they could've done for me is to either improve, or rather flatten, the pull rates, or sell them for cheaper. Maybe a ready made binder? As you've said, they don't hold any competitive value. P.S., Yu-Gi-Oh is pretty expensive in Egypt (where I'm from). What I really liked though was the Legendary Collection, I bought one and I'm pretty content with it. To offset the cost, I bought it with some other guy who took 5 of the packs and I took the LOB and the Promo pack for myself. I'm thinking about buying 3 of the Legendary Decks 2 for the nostalgia/collection bit + having playsets for future Blue Eyes, Yugi, and Red Eyes decks that'll definitely have a shot at-my brother calls me insane for this. What do you think though? Anyways. The deck I'm building first is a Winged Dragon of Ra one. I'll get my first job sooner or later and I'll be importing it from the UK with the first money I get.
I like the Legendary Collection and the cards it contains. I don't intend on using these cards in a tournament setting and I know what I'm getting into. In fact, I explicitly don't want to see new cards in this case.
What I do have an issue with is the fact that you can just get absolutely nothing out of your packs, even by boomer standards. If you got a guaranteed holo (in addition to the rare) in every pack, the product would be perfect.
What's the point if they aren't continuing the DM anime. That would be cool. Kinda like how the Dragonball movies paved the way to continue the anime, and I thought Dark Side of Dimensions was going to be that, but that was 7 years ago. Even Pokémon was one continuous story for more than 2 decades without branching into spinoffs. All the DM products and promotional material without committing to continuing DM. Such a wasted opportunity.
They can’t. Because the original series more or less died with Takahashi, RIP. Even now Dragon ball is uncertain with Toriyama’s recent passing. Toriyama herald the new era of Super because he wrote all the Super movies.
Not to mention they can’t because the original series was about Atem finding his path. His story concluded. Yugi is basically the deuteragonist.
I mean look at the dbs premise. It’s happening within the 10 years between the end of buu saga and EoZ.
The movie was about moving on and letting go of the past. I feel like milking the DM cow is konami's undoing and not an authentic way to return fans who already hate every mechanic outside of tribute summoning
6:29, uhhh 2011 agents xD
I just like opening oldschool boosters cause it reminds me of when my mum would buy them for me as a kid, reminds me of her since I lost her
I just want the OG Dark Magician art, OG Blue Eyes art, and Legacy of Darkness rares 😭
i am the type of person that this panders to and i like that I can have all the og cards i never had as a child. and i understand that its not competitive but it scratches that itch for the old cards that i remember. and it can be fun to play with friends that have been out of the game since we were children. and it can let people dip their toes back into yugioh.
Lmao the three products here are the first YGO products I’ve bought in many many years. I’m under no impression that they are modern usable cards, but as someone who had a big collection of old cards way back when it first came out and lost them all, it feels like I have a second chance to rebuild most of what I used to have. I’ve always been a sucker for nostalgia when it comes to everything in life, too. These are purely collectables. I don’t think anyone who is old enough for these products to appeal to is going to be immature enough to trying building a deck with and playing seriously with.
For someone that wanted to just make a home game set out of them for casual games, these sets were a pretty good way to get the major cards I needed for good anime themed decks. Are they viable in any public setting? Nah, but its still fun to play with and I can use the banned cards.
I gotta be honest, I completely disagree. I think for some of the products having them set up as nostalgic products that can also be used to get people into the modern game is a great thing. But for others, I feel that having a product that is purely meant for nostalgic reasons is not a bad thing. At multiple of the locals in my city the retro packs and LOB specifically were selling out and were going for more than double the MSRP, same online too. It was cool to relive for older players like me who remember LOB being on shelves and those sets because of how generic are actually semi draft able if you really want to. As someone who is both an old head and collector but also a competitive modern tournament goer, I don’t think every single product needs to be revolving around getting old players back into the modern game. I didn’t see anybody pick up lob and think they could play modern yugioh, they just did it to have fun product to open and I think it was perfect, and I would personally not have bought any of it if the set had been changed in any significant way.(even the minor ones almost made me not wanna buy it)
With stuff like the legendary decks I totally agree that they should make them better and more playable, same with like the yugi and kaiba decks. But sometimes you can just have a cool product to have fun opening, maybe play a tiny bit with and throw in the bulk and that’s what the 25th anniversary rerelease packs are.
I think it'd be better to either do these legacy boxes like speed duels, just a boxed experience version of the game or the old MTG Collectors edition, where you get a copy of every card in a box maybe in a unique treatment and are just purely a collector's piece
It sucks that all Classic Yu-gi-oh is for anymore is for Konami to feed off our nostalgia. They could easily make good support for popular DM era archtypes (I guess they have done some, and yes Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician get alot of cards but never the stuff needed to make them good, same with Red-Eyes) and such and make them more competitive as well as make new products based around our old favorite characters rather then using artwork to sell a tin or reselling us LOB for the 50th time. The ABC and Magnet Warrior Decks come to mind, as they were clearly intended to be retrains of the battle city yugi and kiaba decks thought one was strictly better then the other.
As much as i agree with everything mentioned in this video, there isn’t really a modern yugioh that i WANT to play even with retrains. The ship has sailed, five star normal monsters with 1500/1500 will always be normal monsters.
I think that the Asian-English starter decks are absolutely a product Konami should consider bringing to the west. Sure, they’re still not meta, but for products featuring the game’s most iconic monsters, they aren’t terrible places to start. Sure can’t do any worse than the Egyptian God starter decks lol.
I like your idea of an updated set. Pokémon did similar in 2016 with XY - Evolutions, which featured updated versions of selected Base Set cards, alongside some new ones. I appreciate the appeal of faithful classic reprints - I bought a few packs for a hit of the ol’ nostalgia, but while kid me would have LOVED a Metal Raiders box, I didn’t because I couldn’t justify spending £65 on bulk.
A reprint set focusing on the core DM era archetypes like Dark Magician, Blue Eyes, Red-Eyes etc with some of the more recent retrains like Illusions and modern day staples could be a pretty good idea.
Basically, the focus needs to shift from just selling to nostalgia fans to retaining them, and converting them to modern Yu-Gi-Oh!.
As a bigger pokemon tcg fan. I find your critique shocking.
If yugioh does it too much, pokemon needs to do it way more.
Could you friggin imagine if they decided to reprint even one of the vintage sets as a 1 to 1 reprint? They own the rights. If they did a proper reprint of the first 3 sets. The market would probably crater.
Give me a Skyridge, Team Rocket Returns, or Aquapolis reprint.
They might not actually own the rights to 1:1 reprint the oldest stuff since the first few years it was run through WotC.
Personally what annoys me about this the most is that the nostalgia pandering is exclusive to DM. I love DM don't get me wrong but the nostalgia for it has basically become a crutch for Konami especially with how long it's been happening. I would rather this pandering just stop but if they feel they have to do it then give the other series some love. The others series are just as important to the franchise as the original and deserve just as much recognition.
Exactly this konami USA and DM Era fans think DM is the only thing that will sell when they never try selling anything for other anime fans in the first place. I've watched everything up to Zexal and love it all, cause it's all yugioh. I think the lack of effort for 5Ds+ is what kills the chances of anyone getting back into the game, not getting DM fans back into it. It's why, despite being such a young franchise, most of the fans are late teens all the way to 30 year old men. It's like konami doesn't even wanna appeal to kids or early teens
konami needs to release actual support for those decks that measures up to today's disgusting meta, instead of releasing the same worthless cards over and over in anniversaries. they can make blue eyes, red eyes, dark magician and the god cards busted overnight if they tried.
im sure this has been talked about 1000 times before. It would be cool to see time wizard format style products. so if they want to do nostolgia they can sell the old packs under that banner, "goat"/ "edison". I main a different card game but I always loved the old style of yugioh I stopped around 5ds. so playing goat casually with my friends is really fun.
Here's another way to approach it: Instead of modernizing the "retro" products for the current game version, how about they make official "retro" formats to make those products relevant 🤔
My advice for everyone buying these decks for nostalgia (which includes myself), don't go into tournaments except the ones who organize in your own garden with friends over a couple of beers. It is much more fun.
Konami releases casual nostalgic products.
Team Aps: Nooooo you cant win worlds with those!
I think re-releasing these products is alright. But the buyer needs to set expectations for what they are going to do with those cards. If your intention is to play competitive, save your money. But if you're looking to play some old school duels ala Rare Hunters, then more power to you.
Coming from someone who bought two booster boxes of each 25th re-release set, I had a ton of fun opening and playing duels with friends with said cards. That being said, a price drop would have been nice lol.
The real crime here is not getting reprints of the original 4 starter decks. I'd kill to open and play those again.
1:49 ......I mean what do you expect the first core set from 26 years ago xD of course its gonna be filled with vanillas and nostalgia that's kinda the point. It's a snap shot from the past and I bet that most people that buy this probably want nothing to do with current yugioh anyways or play time wizard formats.
I hadn't played Yu-Gi-Oh for almost 20 years and bought Legendary Collection 25th and Legendary Deck II, and for me it was purely for nostalgia. I've ended up buying other cards that I remember to support them. While probably useless from the modern format, I only play the old school format as I haven't bothered to learn about synchro, xyz etc and just seems confusing to me
I feel a good way to do nostalgia is do 1 side set tailored to goat or edison since konami is now actually supporting it at tournaments. To help out give reprints to make them the decks easiler to build.
6:59... yeah they should update all the old decks in every format ...You should be able to play the cards you like and have fun an have a chance at winning.
The main issue is, that the cards don't even look old. They literally used new card frames, and put old (crappy) artworks on them. The vibes you get from opening LOB-25th are the same as opening any other modern set, be it Duelist Nexus, or Legacy of Destruction.
If they're going to do a legendary deck release make new ones like idk a villion deck trio with Pegasus, Yami Marik, and Bakura
I'd love to see a version of the early sets with retrains added/subbing for the old cards!
I feel like Speed Duel is a really great way to keep that DM/GX nostalgia going already.
I feel like more and more games are doing competitive structure decks nowadays (as a Digimon player and MtG commander player.) YGO should follow suit.
The problem is that a lot of the old school archetypes HAVE modern support, but the best they can be at the moment are rogue strategies even if they work. (Blue-Eyes, Dark Magician, Red-Eyes, Harpies, etc) Honestly, if Konami wants to bring in those nostalgic players, they should release new structure decks that have most of the relevant modern support that those archetypes have. I'm not saying make them playable at locals straight out of the box. But maybe give you a good base that you can mix with another archetype or modern strategy to improve the deck later. Releasing old packs that have a bunch of vanilla monsters that were useless even back in the day is not the wave tbh
Thank you for putting me on notice for the ready for play competitive sets, I been wanting to build live/evil twins too they look pretty fun to play.
So happy someone finally decided to talk about this, and gave some constructive critism and tips on how to improve.
Bottom line: Konami, stop milking your players dry, and make the game affordable like OCG. NO DECK should be 1000 bucks
This is also kinda on the same topic, but its almost May, and there hasnt been any new structure deck releases, or any announcements for the tcg.
Now would be a very good time to announce the tryout decks the OCG has been doing, maybe even announce 2 and print a double pack with extra goodies in them.
Quarter centurys should have been in the reprinted packs. Legendary deck decks 2 needed updated text. Red eyes still says "b" instead of black.
I'd appreciate it more if Konami looked at which cards came from the anime, and just used that to go and do something with that for old school yugioh.
I'd love to be able to play Dark Magician Girl The Dragon Knight in a retro setting, I know OCG Konami made players use 80% of their deck devoted to certain ideas, I don't see why we could do the same thing here, it'd be really cool IMO
How could you reprint these AGAIN with no updates?? having no QCR cards in the okd sets is a crime
I'm just happy legendary decks 2 got reprinted. It was going for over twice the price before
All those cards needed to be Ultras... Secrets... HD Graphics... Alternative Art...
Damn, Studio Tokyo Dice... Reprinted everything just to Hold Onto the Copyright 👀💀
My furthest dueling “experience” was up to the battle city era cards and dueling very casually with friends/family. Fast forward to now, that dueling itch comes back, but modern yugioh is WAY over my head and not something I want to spend time and $ learning. I want to play yugioh how I remember and enjoyed playing it. Enter these type of products
They serve my exact purpose of wanting to reconnect with yugioh in a familiar and approachable way that isn’t crazy overpriced. I get to have the experience I want, but I’m informed enough (thanks to channels like this) to understand these cards and decks aren’t competitively viable at all. My only expectation is very casual fun and nostalgia, and these accomplish that perfectly. Not the same for everybody of course, and I understand a lot of the perspective you gave on it, but this is a W product for the type of yugioh consumer I am
Personally, I think a middle ground would be updated Yugiboomer/DM sets that aren’t full modern Advanced level. If someone wants to get like a LoB deck for nostalgia reasons, there’s over 20 years of changes to the modern game.
A Yugiboomer (such as me) might want to get back into the game as they remember it, so making it 2024-level with all the turn 0 and 1 interactions and summons and effects and negates may be overwhelming and not be what they’re interested in.
Perhaps something like an Edison-level deck that’s more modern than DM but not throwing them completely into the deep end with current modern.
I’m perfectly content with Speed Duel (aside from half zones and LP), but I can understand someone wanting to go beyond that but not wanting modern Advanced.
😵🔥😵🔥 those OCG "Asia English" are fantastic...damn... I want booster and structure decks here in USA...
Please Konami... Make a structure deck Dark Magician/Blue Eyes... $40... Comes with sleeves/deck box All cards are Ultras, Secrets, Prismatic 🔥😀
Dark Magical Circle Prismatic Secret Rare... Quarter Century Eternal Soul, Salvation, Magicians Souls... Just idk... Make it Fantastic and worth $30-40
If they somehow make it better than the One Piece and Digimon Double Typhoon decks... WOW
We Yugi Boomers already know what we are getting when we buy these old school anniversary products.
7:03 to 7:57. I think they can easily solve that part by expanding more of the "Legendary duelist's" product line. They just need new naming, different naming, have the iconic monster on the product and the iconic character from the show that used that iconic monster. Now if the iconic monster is a archetype they can have separate support packaging for that iconic monster.
Examples....Read down.
Blue Eyes White Dragon and Seto Kabia on the packaging. Name product = Seto Kaiba Power of the Blue Eyes. (Or whatever). This volume/package is mostly or all Blue Eyes White Dragon Support only.
Dark Magicians. Yami and Arkana. Both of them staring down at each other with their iconic Dark Magician behind them. Name product. Master and Servant volume 1. All Dark Magician support cards only. It will have Yami's Dark Magician and Arkana's Dark Magician in the volume.
Hey guys!! Would love it if you would do a review of this non Konami branded Yu-Gi-Oh starter kit going around! It's a big box that says it comes with sleeves, a starter deck, a playmat, and some packs? Love your Yu-Gi-Oh product reviews!
In essence, that's what the "Legendary Duelists" sets were aiming to do, right? The issue is that they failed to make those sets appealing to players due to shortprinting of important staple reprints, low impact of modernization support and a relative failing to actually make the sets appealing to the casual playerbase to buy and open.
I do agree that stuff could be modernized. For the most part Vanilla Monsters just don't cut it and the ones that do like dark Magician or blue eyes white dragon are part of archetypes that have a bunch of support. And in many cases are garnets that you want to never draw to hand. It's nostalgic sure but outdated beyond any real tournament viability. It just drives the value down on classic ultras like LOB dark Magician which comes to mind, without adding anything to the game. And new players that would buy this wouldn't get viable competitive decks.
I hate modern yugioh and only like 2002 to 2005 yugioh.
They need to pick a lane. Either pander to the nostalgia of the old game more, or only make new stuff for current players.
None of this mixed crap, because it waters it down with garbage that i dont care an iota about, and for modern players it waters down what they want with the older stuff.
That all said, i basically have all the cards i will ever want from the era of the game that i like. Im no longer a target demographic for the companies printing and distributing the cards.
Retrains mainly piss me off, i hard disagree with them being made. It doesn't pull me in at all.