Why do I need this on a Chronograph? 😑
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- What's the most useless feature on a watch? That would be the 24 hour scale aka the AM/PM indicator on a watch. Watches featured:
Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso Classic Duoface Medium
Seiko Speedtimer SSC813, SSC815, SSC819
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Believe it or not, I love having the 24hr reading as it helps me see how far I’m throughout the day. “Oh I’m 60% through today”
Literally same
Haha same
Same, it seems you're not the only one but one of a lot.
Love the way u see things, now I can appreciate the 24hours dial a little bit more
Love this! Makes me even want this feature! We only have 24 hours a day, use it wisely!
It’s super helpful when setting your watch with a date. Otherwise you need to turn until the day change to know you are at midnight.
If you've one watch like me, you'll do it only once.
@@faresalf but I have 7 watches lol
Disagree! If you’re stuck in a bunker, how can you tell the time is a.m. or p.m.?
Or on a submarine
see your phone
@@graysony6139 then why do you need a watch?
@@srgonair as a accessory
What about being a degenerate gambler and want to know if it’s day or night, not that it matters since the next shoe is looking hot so you’ll win it all back.
That would help except for the fact that I pawned it to the pit boss to give me a line of credit and now my kid can't get braces until next year 😢
best reason to have it
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I actually like the 24 hours dial because it gives me a sense of the day as a whole, like how much did i have left to enjoy or how much I have used. Don't know how to explain better, it is just a emotional perspective about seeing the full day going away
Also people dont understand that world exist outside of US, for example in my country 1 pm is 13 and 1 is pronouncing for 1am etc...
It's nice to know when the date/day is going to flip if youre setting it and dont want to roll through the whole month/week
I think that’s the only time I’ll actually look at it, but so many watches don’t need it
You need a dial for this? C'mon really?????
I like it as well. It's definitely a nice to have feature, not something that would cause me to buy or not buy a watch.
Also it counts the hours if your using the chrono
@muzza9338 "it's nice to" meaning it's cool but not mandatory.
Glad you made a video on this complication. I 100% agree with your statement. There’s not that many people in Alaska with Seiko’s, the market is small for that. I wish they had put a hour totalizator instead of the 24 hour one, that would be a lot better.
24 hour scale is not useless ! it allows wearer to know if they are long time stuck in a mall or indoor environment or a cave etc.... to know it is day or night , which is the same as a SUN/Moon disc.
Sun moon disc is good for decoration
I work in power and every hour of the day is identified by “Hour Ending”, i.e. 4:25 pm would be in Hour Ending 17. A 24 hour watch allows for a very quick reference to what hour we are currently in which can be useful, especially to those new to the industry.
24 hour face makes it really easy to set up time on a watch with a date 🙂
On an automatic watch, absolutely. There's no date mechanism on a quartz watch that is breakable so it's useless there
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The 24 hour hand can also be used as a compass. Holding the watch flat, have the regular hour hand point to the sun, the 24hr hand will point to north. Works only if its not DST time.
As someone who does data entry and has to put everything in 24 hour format, it can be a nice little feature. The times between 1500 and 1800 somehow screw with me periodically, so the watch makes a great reference when I check times on paperwork.
That’s another good use function
Chronograph watches need that 24 hour feature, itself allows easier setting up of time & date by their own.
All of our vehicle tracking and work calendars docs need to be filled in 24 hr time. Def makes it easiers for some of our people.
My speedmaster mk40 has a 24h sub dial, one half is painted in a lighter shade of blue so you know that’s the safe zone for adjusting the calendar without breaking the mechanism. So I guess most chronographs have it because of that
Same reason for why we still use analog watches, it gives us a visual representation of time
I think that just in general, 3 dials on a face can be an aesthetically pleasing feature to look at in terms of balance, and when you look at a lot of countries where the number 3 is considered lucky, and has significant meaning, sometimes you just need something so simple yet so important for a special wrist piece for it to stand out even among other watches.
All do respect Sir, imho I do not even consider “aesthetics “ when considering a TOOL watch…..not a freaking fashion statement.
@@jazzman5598 eh, you'd be surprised at what people are calling "aesthetic" these days. These people buying expensive watches are the same people buying the MSCHF yellow boot crocs.
Tachymeter on a chronograph is completely useless too.
At least the Tachymeter has connection to racing
If it hasn't got a tachograph it's just a watch🙄
Probably for Le mans because it's a 24-hour race and I know people take shifts but I think it's still keeps it handy for 24 hours lol
When a watch is wound down, to me it’s very useful to find out if it’s in the “danger zone” to change the date. Plus there are so many aesthetic things you can do with a 24 hour dial, like symmetrical dials and moon phases.
You’re right, the only time I even look at it is when I’m changing the date and setting the watch
It's 100% for pilots. It's the same reason the GMT watch makes so much sense for us. We hop time zone so often, show all of our flights are set off of UTC or as it used to be, GMT.
There are also industries that work exclusively in a 24-hour time scale. It's not common, but it does exist.
Finally, some people just like the oddity.
Iam a Musician/singer. There are times where i get inside studio and work 40-60 hours. I cannot see sunlight/moonlight to determine if it’s AM or PM
At my place. 6pm and 6am looks the same. Though.
Why you hating kuys? This definitely helps a lot of hard working people with graveyard shifts - using military time - pilots and people that value every second , minute & hour.
as someone who had to serve in the command operations room on a 24 hour shift during my mandatory conscription National service, I can tell you that it was beneficial to know considering i'm inside the damn room for the whole period and there's no windows or natural light entering the room to tell you if it's morning or afternoon.
Hidden features of Chronograph watch subdial that has 24, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 markings; If you take your watch off align the little dial towards the Sun you will get compass directions. 12 o'clock is always North. It's a rudimentary way of finding out cardinal directions for your surroundings if you were lost.
When adjusting the date the 24h indicator comes handy to know if he is in AM or PM so that the date doesnt change noon time by mistake
I can imagine that many a young doctor stuck inside a hospital for a 30 hr shift, in an environment where everything is documented in the 24hr format, would find this feature useful.
The only time i think a 24 hour timer is useful would be if you lived near the poles where daylight is longer than 12 hours, work on a submarine or something else that doesn't let you see daylight for a while.
Beyond that, its useless to many people, and imo, the argument it helps set up the day/date is pointless. It only takes maximum of two rotations to know when it shifts to the next day.
You can also add oncall radiologists (they spend in dark rooms always) and surgeons especially during oncalls (they won’t see sunlight)
I heard you can change the 24 hr setting and it runs independently of what ever time is set on the watch. That can be useful.
I really enjoy the 24 hour sub dial. It's a great am/pm indicator. Mostly, I think it adds interest to the piece. It's constantly moving, in a different position throughout the day. With a 12 hour chronograph only one sub dial is moving. The other two being at 12. I enjoy using the chronograph, for the most part it's not in use. I have other digitals and a phone if I need a stop watch. That being a 24 hour stop watch. A chrono with two sub dials in motion is cool to me. So many people dislike this feature. They usually wish it was a 12 hour indicator.
Well for the Seiko as it is made in Japan that function is useful as the 24-hour time is used here.
I have the Orient Sun & Moon as my first mechanical watch, which has the Sun & Moon disk as an AM/PM indicator. It's not entirely useful for everyday use. But for someone who sometime takes a midday nap and wakes up confused about what part of day it is (6am and 6pm light can be confusing), the AM/PM indicator does come in handy.
Seeing as how the SSC813/819 is one of my favorite watches, I really do wish that 24hr sundial was used for something more useful.
You're quite right. But what I hate most is a watch with short hands, especially the minute hand like CASIO EDIFICE they make great value and quality watches only to screw them up with very short hands that in some models it's hard for the eye to make the difference between the hour and the minute hand.. This is still an inexplicable secret to me !
The 24-hour dial has nothing to do with tracking secondary time zone or GMT. It does not operate separately from the hour hand. It’s just a n AM/PM indicator and nothing more.
Ampm or 24 hour mode is useful in a military situation fighting in an underground facility.
Just to reiterate what Teddy says about the matter, knowing if it's AM or PM on your watch is useful when setting the calendar date, otherwise you can grind the gear down and damage the watch if the date is about to change to the next day. Makes sense
Having worked in healthcare settings for my career, 24 hour time is used in hospitals and clinics to avoid confusion with treatment, medication, and diagnostic testing. I absolutely prefer this feature when I buy watches.
Here’s another reason why it’s actually useful: if you haven’t used that particular watch in a while, you need to wind it and maybe set the date agains however, if it’s towards the evening and it’s let’s say 11 pm, you cannot change the time as it will damage the mechanism. So if I know it’s 11 am, I can change the time and date without worrying. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not an excuse to pay more for a chrono but it is another useful reason😂
What you can't adjust the time first before changing the date?
Really? I can't believe some of these silly excuses for a useless dial.... Cosmetics maybe but that's it...
The AM/PM is needed when you don't use the watch for long and wind up the spring to full and set time. Now the problem lies after this while setting up date. For example the clock stopped running 4' O clock and now I reset the time to let say 2'o clock in the afternoon but I don't know whether it's 2PM or 2 AM that my watch is set to. This will eventually lead to wrong update of date and day after few hours. It could be that I am expecting the day date to change after midnight but my watch didn't instead it changed date day in 12'o clock afternoon
Personally, I appreciate having an indication of whether it is AM or PM. Having worked in various conditions where there was no way to know whether it is AM or PM as no access to outside was available (Shift work in factories, Shift work in underground mines, Spelunking are just a couple that I personally have experience with). Though, instead of a AM/PM indicator, I just prefer having a GMT with a 24 hour hand.
Agree with that!!
It's just a nice thing to know how much is actually left of the day as such. Also helps with approximating e.g. how much sleep im about to get etc. Pp.
I imagine for military or cops it’s useful as well. But then again they’re probably wearing gshock, not seiko
As someone who works in a hospital, I'm rocking the old reliable. The DW-5600 😂
it is there to fill the space. date window is annoying to have to adjust every 2 months
Long term timing in a race, such as a Rolex 24 or any 24 hour race
That would make sense if the Seiko could count more than one hour, but it can only display up to 60 mins on the Chronograph unless you can remember the hours
@@MinuteMonWasn't he saying you could use the 24 hour sub dial to time the race?
I hate it when they put an elapsed time bezel on a chronograph. Like… why? A chronograph already measures elapsed time. Put some other function on the bezel like a countdown or hours or something.
Actually we have to do alot of paperwork at my job and we use military time so it can help with that as well.
it exists because the vast majority of the world does not say the time as 1AM or 1PM but would say 1 when its 1AM and 13 when its 1PM
Considering that the rest of the world uses a 24hour clock....... think young brother
Sure - on a GMT or Worldtimer makes sense, but on a 60 minute Chronograph watch? I think you and I both know there are many watches that are universally worn that don’t need a AM/PM indicator
But nearly all analog clocks and watches still use a 12 hour face. If you need to know the 24 hour time you would probably be better off with a digital or smart watch anyways.
@@MinuteMonI think it also has to do on preference in the watch people want to wear. Sure I like my gmt but I love how the my Chrono looks
You are wrong. 24hrs scale is a useful in everyday use. It is used in transportation, and logistics to clearly indicate when something is scheduled for arrival, delivery, departure. Communications use it in a professional setting to better indicate the start and end of an event such as a special report, a news broadcast or standard daily programming, the military use it for accurate operation timetables and obviously everyday time keeping. The most useless complication is a perpetual calendar in an automatic/mechanical because if the watch stops running for several days it is a total pain to reset. Leave that sort of compilation to digital watches like GShock and stick with the tried and true standard day and date calendar complication.
Because it looks really nice and at the price point of this Seiko Speedtimer I am plenty happy with it. Georgia's watch with a ton of value at a $600 price point. I picked one up for $540 and couldn't be happier. Most of these features are never used by wearers, let's keep it 100% 98% of chrono or chrono style watches are about anesthetics and nothing else. 😊
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Perhaps the only other useful aspect of a "fixed" 24h subdial is making it a tad faster to set a day/date complication, where you instantly know whether or not you're in the "safe zone" for changing the day and/or date. Other than that, yeah, rather pointless.
I adore a GMT or solar dial watch because it keeps track of your most valuable resource: The time within your day!
In the summer from 6 to 8 its also useful in the northern hemisphere
100% agree. As I am looking for a good chronograph with a 12-hour totalizer, it drives me crazy that 90% of chronographs waste one of their subdials on this useless feature.
In quartz there are the ETA 251 movements. 12h totalizer, 1/10 second and small seconds subdials.
I've been looking for a affordable panda crono recently and all though this is a great price wouldn't the Hamilton intramatic be a better deal in this price range?
P.s I know both are good in their own way and it's about personal preference too but I still wonder which is the better deal
A day has 24 hours, so the real question is why aren't 24h dials mainstream.
Wherever it's possible, I always set 24h scale. It's not "military time", it's homo sapiens time.
It is bro. The only places that use AM-PM are British influence countries. Most of the world uses 24hr system.
I think the watch looks more symmetrical with it and thats about it
Yes I prefer the triple subdial layout but I would’ve loved a 12 hour counter for the Chronograph instead of a 24 hour scale
I think it's more important when you get kidnapped and lay around in a dark room or get lost in a cave or something
Hope that never happens
For me i would prefere having a twelve hour marker when the crono is working, although the 24 hour marker is helpful for only one thing leting you know if your watch is in the morning or afternoonto help People set the date... but in my opinion as an owner i would like the watch to measure more tan one hour... just to be sincer i dont only use the watch to measure speed, in also use it to measure time while i am cookin 😅
My logic is that you wake up in a shipping container with no way out and can't see if it's day or night outside, so a 24hr clock would be very useful in that scenario.
Military time is a little easier with the 24 hour dial if your not too familiar at first 😅
Alaska is in the subarctic, even then, people know whether it’s AM or PM. Only place where this would be useful is on a submarine, or in the actual North Pole or South Pole.
Speaking as someone who’s been to the North Pole, and also lived in the Sub-Arctic.
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For me, power reserve is very useful for a manual watch because it shows if it needs to be wound. On an automatic, not really
I think it help for military time conversion
i have seen a watch dial that shows the day from 1-31 a month i think thats useless.
i have 1 mini dial on my Seiko and its the 24 hour watch dial. i'm european and we don't do the AM PM thing.
i like it just for the visual and that's it.
Because once I woke up @ 6pm after a very long nap and I was confused of whether it's evening or morning, when I asked it to my roommate they were laughing and nobody answered.
Considering this is a solar powered watch with a 6 month power reserve (no need to set the date), that subdial would have been so much better as an hour counter for the chrono. The 24-hour dial is the biggest reason I probably won't get it.
I mean maybe it’s for people for whom day and night aren’t relevant
The example that stands out are people in space where that concept is just void
But also people submerged for a long time, maybe military personnel?
I’m not sure myself but I can definitely see it having use
It helps me in scheduling the day , it's weird but it helps
Am pm helps with setting time with a date function.
I mean chrono is for racing and one of the most iconic races is the 24h Le Mans so I guess that could be a reason
I see where that is going, but my Seiko can only count up to 60 minutes 😆 I love Chronographs, but this 24 hour scale has always puzzled me
Date, Power Reserve & GMT are indeed useful complications. I do not think any other complication is of any real use.
There are several times a year I need to time something down to the second over a 24hr period. The commenter who pointed out Le Man is correct. There are those who need it and that is why it is there.
My least favorite feature is the date window. It’s less to do with functionality for me and more about aesthetics. I like a nice clean dial, and I also don’t like having to reset the date after not using it for a while.
It’s called military time. Makes it a little faster when someone tells you to be there at 1720.
I don't mind as long as the watch looks good , like the seiko speedtimer
We can easily check the 24hr format without any mind calculation. It is easy when I check the railway time table. Plus it tells how much of the day is left just like a pie diagram. I like the feature anyway.
Bro clearly has never had one of those day time naps into the evening darkness where you’re unsure if it’s night time or the morning
In Europe for example AM/PM doesn’t exist. We use 24hr.
If you work in a scenario where you will be confined for days in a closed place with no access to sun light to have this feature could help you to program your day and night activities and don’t affect so much your circadian cycle…
Yeah, I would much rather this Seiko had a 30-min timer (easier to read) and replaced this 24-hr one with a chronograph hour/half-hour scale, so you could time hours. Still an awesome watch!
The 24 hr timer is a useless sub dial.
It makes it easy to set day and date on a watch
The 24 hour dIl helps with setting the date.
I would really prefer if the 24hr time was settable to any time so it acts like a mini GMT
Most people I know who wear a diver watch never dive and those who wear a chronograph never use the chronograph.
100%
Cause it's dangerous to change the date/date on automatic watches bewtween 9pm and 3am. The gears are active during that time. You can damage to the movement and breaks the day and date wheel by doing that.
Traveling, places like Alaska, jobs where you don't get to see the sun often, I'm sure there are others I'm missing
While traveling by plane it was 5 a clock and I had NO IDEA if it was morning or afternoon so it could help you of you travel long distances by plane
if you live on the ISS, you actually go thru multiple time zones very fast so yes, this could be helpful for those orbiting the Earth too lol
I'm currently trapped in a car trunk in a las vegas lot... would really like to know if it's night out.
Medical work, we use 24hrs for documentation
Or you work on submarine, or you want to calculate time shifts, or you just like to have a 24h option.
Stuck in a cave. What time is it? Thats why you need a 24 hour analog gauge. On my watch ⌚️ its one of the last features to stop if I dont have a light source.