Why Seiko's SSC819 Chronograph Is Disappointing & The Flightmaster SNA411 Is Still King Under $500
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- I've put off reviewing the Seiko Prospex Speedtimer SSC819 (known by watch enthusiasts and fans as the "Seikona") because in my opinion, nothing beats Seiko's Flightmaster, which costs a fraction of the price. However, there are rumors that the Flighty SNA411 is soon to be discontinued, which begs the question-will the Seikona take the crown as the brand's most affordable chronograph? To answer this, I borrowed one to compare with the Flighty, and in this watch review I analyze its strengths, weaknesses, positives, negatives, the often overlooked history of Seiko's contribution to chronographs, and the design evolution that inspired this Rolex Daytona-esque watch. Is this relatively new Seiko worth the significantly higher price tag? How does it compete with everything else on the market today around the same price? And is this the best new racing chronograph between $500 and $1000? Join me for a close look at this sporty #strapmonster in the studio and out for a spin on a sunny day around Philadelphia's Navy Yard.
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🤣🤣🤣 Thank you Mark.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry You know how much we love you, TGV. Great review of the Seikona, btw. Ten thumbs up, and best regards to darling Hugo.
@@theurbangentry How about Seiko Flighty versus Dan Henry 1964 Gran Turismo Chrono or the Dan Henry 1962?
Does the Flight Master have a rapid date 📅 change 🤔 or no?
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 Great question my friend. It has quickset, and the date change near midnight takes around half an hour, much quicker than most entry level Seiko mechanicals that take even a few hours, even more for day/dates. I hope that helps.
As a former Mayport sailor, it makes me smile to see some of those ships again... I would like to see Seiko reissue the RAF chrono in the Prospex line. No tachymeter, bead blasted case.
Man, this would be a dream.
Maybe it's just me and my night owl tendencies but especially on winter weekends the 24 hour dial is appreciated 😭
I have the sand or gold dial version, I have to say I love it. Sure the 24hr dial is a bit useless and the bracelet while a massive improvement over my other Seiko’s is still a bit jangly, but I bought it primarily for how it looks and that along with the way it wears leaves me with no regrets and I find myself wearing it often. The bracelet could be so much better if the tolerance of the pusher in the clasp was tighter, that’s a little frustrating because it seems so obvious.
Yep - agree entirely. I have the same and seem to wear it a lot. Looks good on a black and sand nato. 🙂
Nice that there are good aftermarket bracelet options if you’re interested! Strapcode has an oyster and jubilee style. Uncle Seiko has also announced he will be releasing bracelet options in the near future.
@@CanttReed I just could not get a proper fit from the stock bracelet and ordered a StrapCode Super JUB II jubilee. Now a perfect fit. I also picked up a sailcloth in black with white stitching. I like that strapcode did taper to 16mm at the clasp.
Love my golden panda! I actually think the gold dial is the most cohesive design. All the hype was about the white dial, but the off black solar dials and the off-white handset didn't look great to me.
I recently bought this with the champagne dial for
Your love of the Flightmaster convinced me that that would be the chronograph I'd want, but about the time I began collecting watches, I had vision problems, so I've stayed away from small dial print and indices watches, but nonetheless enjoy seeing the joy that watches that stand the test of time bring to their owners. Thank you.
I almost bought the panda dial version yesterday and couldn’t find a video review for this one from you sadly..glad I went with the 5KX GMT instead AND it was cheaper which is crazy
I bought the panda. The only thing that bothered me was the sub dials look dark blue instead of black. I guess its hard to make black solar module screens.
Indoors and low light conditions doesn’t make those solar panels obvious but in sunlight, it’s very obvious.. It’s the only chorno that I have and being a Seiko, it is reliable too…I love it
Flight Master forever! Thanks much, TGV. Appreciate it as always. Onward and upward, my friend!
🙌🙌🙌
O&U brother!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I bought my first Seiko because of this channel. I had to say it but it's really a quality watch Seiko makes. Now I own 3.
Excellent video as always. Must admit I sold my own flighty as being so used to field watches I found it too busy. However this seiko is very tempting indeed. All the best.
Great intro! I was not expecting breakdowns first thing in the morning while making my way into London on the Elizabeth line. Another great video!
Always a great welcome to get a video on a Sunday hope every ones weekend went well.
this is the first time i strongly disagree with all the negativses mentioned exept for the lack of loom markers.
great video keep it up
TGV… I have not watched your videos for a couple of years. The quality of all aspects of your production has increased substantially. Great work, keep rising ( now off the mall for another seiko lol)
Thank you so much, I highly appreciate it.
Best regards,
TGV
EPIC opening! The Flighty will always reign supreme =)
Hello. Thanks for the review.
I saw the Seiko SSC815P1 with the beautiful blue dial at a local dealer.
Positive:
I really like that design. It has curved glass. It's a good size for me. Seiko has made a power meter, which I have missed from Seiko solar.
Negative:
I'm not into bracelets, I'd like Seiko to come up with an alternative strap and thus a little cheaper.
I'm also not a fan of the 24 hour dial, just the aesthetic, I'd like it to be the date.
The price in Denmark is an average of DKK 5,000. That's about 734 dollars. It is somewhat more expensive than expected. Would love to see it in Titanium for that price. B.R. Steen B
You, gentlemen, are one of the best reviewer, watch enthusiast, charismatic person on youtube ever! Greetings from Croatia!
Unconventional Choice for the Intro Music, but very fitting to the Visuals. You really nailed it.
Thank you so much,
Best regards,
TGV
Love how excited he gets about the little pouches in his backpack.
A very nice surprise to hear some Djent-riffs in the intro! :) Gr8 vid as always!
My wife got me the gold dial variant. Wow I’m so happy it’s the way it is. I moved away from automatic watches in recent years.. To me luxury is comfort, beauty and lack of effort. And this watch delivers.
The intro is epic!!! Keep up the amazing work .
Got my flighty a few years back from Long Island Watch, I really thought I had missed out on the opportunity in getting my hands on one.
Great Review! This Channel got me back into watches. Always honest with the right amount of love to the Hobby. Thanks to TGV i‘ m into BulOva and i hope my wife got the wave the fence post right to the Surfboard Chrono A ( Quarz). A Flighty is on my List too. Thanks for the show :-).
I absolutely love my Flightmaster. Best chronograph I ever owned. Seiko hit it out of the park with that one.
You kicked some ass with that intro
Lovely macro shots, I miss these type of reviews mate.
Thank you for the review!! I have been waiting for a thouough look into this watch and you did a great job. I agree with you about all the negatives. I especially appreciate your lume comparison. I also truly wish more "traditional" watchmakers would start putting real illumination into some of their sports watches. The need to read the chonograph often doesn't end when the sun sets or you find yourself in dim light, but all these brands pretend it does. Overall on this model, you nailed it - a nice watch but a missed opportunity here by Seiko, with flaws that shouldn't exist.
Good afternoon Tgv, I think in your review you have 100 percent nailed it , in my humble opinion a very nice watch however a little forgettable, I hope that this finds you well my friend, great review, speak to you soon, your friend Ryan.
As always from TGV another excellent review. I own 2 Seiko's a Solar Chronograph and the Flightmaster on a Bison rubber strap which is really comfortable and gets more wrist time than any other of the watches in my modest collection.
I also wanted to buy the Seitona but instead found a jewel of a watch which is the OceanX speed racer ii which is a great homage watch to the Paul Newman Daytona and value for money.
Intro music goes hard!
i have a fight master ..and it's too small for my tastes ..it looks cool close up ..i will give you that. And big love for the show.
Hi TGV
Like this Speedtimer, especially the fact that it’s solar powered. But it doesn’t quite have the charm of the Flightmaster with its yellow hands and all...
Seems like Seiko has tried to make a more elegant/timeless watch - anonymity is the price to pay. More madness, please😆
Too bad with the shortcuts.
Think you’re right that it’s better to go all the way and have a higher price tag. This is hardly going to be a super selling watch anyway, and those interested will probably pay a bit more...
Wish Seiko would make a solar powered rerelease of the Pogue - and without making the case bigger as so many companies does with their rereleases...
Keep up the good work👍
Review is spot on. You’ve got a great design but several flaws only another $400-$500 would fix to generate an affordable classic. But Seiko seem to want $3000usd for their lastest mechanical chronographs. That’s why buyers are still grabbing 6139s for a grand to $1500 plus. Let’s see what’s a $1200 -$1500 seitona looks like please Seiko!
I have a few Flightmasters in my collection: The one shown in this video, the black and white "Pandas" (both versions) and the ever illusive white/navy one. I had to take one of them for service and it needed a new movement, rubber gasket and battery but anyway, love the Flightmasters!
So glad I bought the flighty a year ago while prices were still relatively cheap… they have gone up significantly.. still available .. still worth it.
Appreciate you setting the standard for horological and pop culture content. I always learn a little something from your videos.
Everytime i see u i remember one of my favorite shows HUSTLE!
Love the new intro music
Flighty has character but i couldn't read anything on it. Was hard to tell what time it was with yellow hand and other busy details. I'm also use to the seiko turtle that is much larger and my go to watch.
Saw the Speedtimer at my local jeweler last month and couldn't get over the compromise of the deeply recessed date wheel. Also, never been a fan of the right-side dial on these Seiko chronos.
But, good size and I prefer its design over the busier Breitling-style chronos.
I had the same issue with the unreadable date window. That, plus the cheap bracelet made me sell my SSC813 shortly after purchasing it. Simply not worth the money.
This seiko was in my radar for a while now and i got the orient neo 70s instead. which is very similar to this seiko minus the sapphire and it came with a panda dial that i love. IMO the seiko ssc819 and ssc813 will be classics and it is become harder and harder to find nowadays.
That power reserve feature is fantastic
Hi TGV, have you had a chance to take a look at the Seiko SBTR027. Would love to see you review this beautiful dialled watch
Greetings from England.
Cracking video as usual. Thank you.
I think I need a Hemel Air League In my life. What a stunner.
I like this watch and want to love it but it wears much too small for my liking. With that said, it is amazing how large it looks in your video.
Really disappointed in this watch Seiko went with length instead of girth. It could have easily been 42 with shorter lugs and female end-links. The lume is shocking, Thank you for making this video, very helpful and saved me buying this watch only to be disappointing. Fantastic b-roll. Keep up the good work.
I have several Seiko powered chronographs and I just wish they would go back to the 30 minute register design. I simply cannot read the tiny 60 minute chrono register and be certain I’ve got the minute reading correct. It massively impacts the usefulness and I find myself reaching for a digital or dive watch when I need to time something.
For my having tried this watch in person I must say its a nice watch but the proportioning is a bit off for me with 39mm size it should be perfect for my 6.5in wrist but the thickness and slab style case makes it look pretty tubby and not thing I prefer. Compare to say something like Speedmaster Reduced, that one has such elegant case treatment and thickness that it is rather a perfect chrono size for me.
That being said I do think this watch is a great value for its price. For a daytona substitute I reckon the Black Bay Chrono is still the closest apart from other homages.
@Chris Sure ,but the black bay Chrono is 42mm so that's a no go for me
As always your videos knock it out of the park.
The old Pepsi SSC019P1 is my favourite Seiko chronograph. What a blue!
Yesssss, that blue indeed.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Great review, TGV... Yes, a Pogue reissue, please!!! What aircraft carrier is that in the background?
Thank you Haydn 🙌🙌🙌 The aircraft carrier:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_F._Kennedy_(CV-67)
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry thanks TGV...awesome@
Have the Panda and love it. Get going 🚀
have you compare to SBDL095 that has bigger lum ? Also compare the Speedtimer automatic vs the quatz?
The modern mechanical automatic Swiss Watch is basically a number of things.
Waterproof
Automatic
Sporty to various degrees
And a highly reliable time keeper to the point of being a the grade of an officially certified Swiss chronometer Or BETTER.
The dive watch is the ideal pinnacle of all these .
Moreover
You can trust your life to a diver watch .
It was designed to TRUST YOUR LIFE TO IN ALL ITS FUNCTIONS and COMPLICATIONS ( listed above ) and it is obviously sporty .
Not surprising ( in this light ) the SCUBA DIVER WATCH would be the pinnacle of sport watches.
Rolex is often seen as the pinnacle of Swiss watches so this would explain why their SUBMARINER DATE and NO DATE is sooo extremely popular.
This said I’d predict that other divers would be seen as the best from each brand .
You are becoming the Christopher Nolan of the RUclips watch channels. Intro is obnoxiously loud compared to the rest of the video. I always have to adjust the volume level when watching your videos. Keep up the good work (and do something about the volume difference, please).
King of intros, still
I agree 100%. Seiko should make completely whacky and crazy quartz offerings and great affordable awesome tool watches like the skx or even the pogue. But we all know they like to save the pennies.
Im really trying buy the flighty but something always comes up when i go to buy it, and as prices become higher and stock becomes lower, im afraid my time will run out.
Yessss you are my favorite watch personality !!!!
Save for James Bond of course
What’s your ALLL TIME FAVOURITE 5 WATCHES?
is dissapointing these quartz seikos gone thicker and thicker, and those 24hr subidals dont add to nothing (far too many brands using these movements), would be nice to have a 12 hr chronograph counter or a date subdial in a more symetric position, even those tachymetre bezels have never been used by nobody since the 30´s a gmt rotating bezel would be nice. i wouldnt trade this for my 7a34 7a10 (on a rubber strap to look more contemporary) "old seiko" concepts where better thought out.
Lovely to see a change from the 100 submariners vids u have :) ( i know u cant help it) keep the good work!
Bought my Flighty 2 years ago for 209$. 379? Are you kidding me?
I do like Seiko watches one day I would love to get a Seiko Luxe watch with the Spring drive movement one day
Is there any chance of a link to the strap on your flightmaster please? Just picked one up after watching ALL of your videos! Would look wrong if I didn't put it on that strap!
Sure, did you mean the NDC olive military one like this?
ndcstraps.com/en-us
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
do you know if they still make the Flightmaster?
Great review! I still want a panda one even though I agree Seiko missed an opportunity to make a great watch.
I prefer the look of the seiko sbtr027. Looks more like a Daytona and sub $200. Same Mecha quartz functionality and did not cheap out on the lumn. Also 20mm lugs make for a frustration free strap swap.
Solar technology is a great technology, such watches should always be produced in the future.
Yeah till the time to replace the cap battery comes. Then you wished it had used a normal movement. I bought a solar in 2008 and now a full charge is lasting me 2 weeks. And the watch is pristine! Will toss it in the bin and get a different one when the battery no longer charges.
Great video 👍
I got myself a speedtimer some time ago and I like it, my first a bit more expensive watch….
Compare the SSC819 to the Orient Panda WV0041TX Solar Neo70's
In Japan they like heavy watches if they are mechanical-automatic .
A bit off-topic, but what strap do you have on the Dan Henry panda chrono in this video? Another home run, TGV!
I forget which video it was where I talked about it, but it is the Fluco suede strap from:
holbensfinewatchbands.com
Thank Paul,
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry cheers! I used to own that same watch, and this video gives me an itch for it again! As for the Speedtimer, I’d had my eyes on the panda version, or even the dark blue dial version, but this video kind of affirms my suspicions that there’s better value to be had from different brand, including Farer, which I’m currently listing after. All the best!
I actually quite like the look of it. Prefer it to the flighty , as that's just too busy for my taste. But I'm a dive watch guy, and my seiko sla043 is as good as seiko get. People moan about a seiko costing 4k , but they are easily as well built as the competition. I have a tudor black bay s and g, and it's similar priced to the seiko. It's keeps much better time, and feels luxury, but I still think the seiko is superior in build quality. I'm glad seiko have gone upmarket, the sla models are just beautiful. Also their mid tier range like the spb143 , is hard to beat for about 1k. I can't think of another diver that's better from a major brand really, imho.
Have both. Love both - but one is more equal than the other. Flighty getting sold. The Speedtimer (have it in blue) just feels more substantial and premium in hand and the makes the flightly feel cheap IMO. Have a Navitimer for when I want to get my compicated dial fetish on.
The bracelet is crap but isn't that just a Seiko trademark at this point? If you're wearing it on bracelet you're missing out. Strap monster. You can pick up the JDM models from a few Japanese sites for close to $400 new if you don't want the Panda.
Maybe @seiko reads this...
I think that thanks to TGV, Seiko has sold so many extra Flightmasters and Alpinists, that TGV deserves to be invited by Seiko. This to design and make a Seiko that meets TGV's wishes!
even though it is a perfect 39,5mm it looks really big, probably because of the bracelet and its thickness
I would take two Islanders everyday of the week. Islander's biz model of seiko watches cept better still works. I have a couple Seikos , one since the early 90's and one samurai, but, my days of scanning the seiko offerings are over. Ill have my 90's square chrono till I die but, there are so many creative and overbuilt micros that it is foolish to pour $ into a name.
Carrera is the goldstandart;)
If they would just make this in a Pogue color scheme it would be a license to print money for Seiko!
The Tactical Frog VS75 v2 panda does many things better at 1/3 the cost. A beautiful no date solar watch with sapphire crystal and cerameric bezel insert.
TGV... a pogue reissue? With the precision? You mean quartz??? Haha you read my mind!!!!
Can’t sand the different series logos Seiko puts on a lot of their watches now. Fuck the 5 and Prospex series. Their Essentials watches are g2g though.
17:53 🤣🤣
CITIZEN was the first watch to be given to a Japanese Emperor ..
Notice CITI ZEN
ZEN JAPANESE ZA ZEN BUDDHISM
perhaps
SEIKO is of course number 1 in Japan :)
Pin & Collar bracelets in 2022 is inexcusable. I literally will avoid watches with this kind of bracelet. As for micros, God I wish you'd explore Zelos. Yes they are big watches....but there are plenty to explore in the 38 - 41mm area. But otherwise.....onwards.....upwards.......
TGV is a legend for his lack of snobbery and his appreciation of all aspects of horology. That is one of the main reasons I love this channel so much.
🙌🙌🙌 Thank you Erik, you are an absolute gent and I am deep honored.
Onwards and upwards my friend.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry I do try my best and thank you. I found your little quip about the Seikona Nick some particularly enjoyable as I am rather a Seiko fan myself.
I have always had a fascination with watches and have had a watch collection since childhood. When I got into it seriously a few years ago RUclips's watch channels nurtured my interest, and The Urban Gentry spearheaded that journey. Just One More Watch is another channel I regard very highly.
My life went through a great reset lately and now I am dedicating my remaining lifespan to becoming a career Horologist. Your channel is definitely partially to credit and or blame for that :)
Hmmm, I guess he's okay........lol. I agree, everything TGV is strictly a non-snobbery zone.
I guess you didnt see some old videos where he is borderline at best.
@@jiboo6850 I've been a viewer for absolutely donkeys and I think I can recall some hints of snbbery maybe very early on, but they were brought in check and what he produces now is very much a snobbery free zone.
Edifying as always TGV and nothing better on a Sunday evening. I really like the look of the 'affordable' Hamilton chrono but I'm lucky to have in my collection one of the pioneers -- a 1970 Heuer Carrera -- so can't justify being in the market.
Thank you so much Dave. Deffo need to check out the newer Hamilton chronos, long over due. as for Heuer 🔥🔥🔥
Have a great week ahead my friend.
Best regards,
TGV
I love the Heuer originals from the 70's so many kool Autaivas, Carreras and the Camaro. So much better then current Tag Heuer
Honestly I couldn't disagree with you more on this watch, I have the blue and love it. The 24 hr indicator is a massive miss but the rest of the design really comes together. It looks like a sophisticated chronograph not like the 'toy-ish' cheaper ones seiko makes. The bracelet is very uncomfortable so that stays in the box!
Thank you for the feedback, I see this is your first comment on the channel, welcome! I have yet to try the blue version, so I really could not speak about that version, as you can understand, it would be very unfair to speak about a watch I have not tried., But as I said in this review, this version is a great watch, especially when it comes to quality, despite the many shortcomings and if you enjoy it, that is all matters! As for the "toy-ish" ones, I have yet to try any of cheaper offerings, again I can not speak for those, my flightmaster and this speedmaster I think have me covered! But I will look out for this blue version you have, I wonder if it will be a different experience.
Best regards and again, welcome!
TGV
I completely agree. I have the white one and absolutely love it. Feels like a watch north of $1000 on the wrist and it's great for every occasion. Totally agree on the 24 hr indicator, that and the amount of lume are my only complaints. I have much more expensive watches in my box that I think about wearing but always end up wishing I was wearing this. Absolutely love it.
@@theurbangentry I have the panda and it's pretty great. I agree with what he said above. They call them opinions for a reason though. Hope you are well!
I just hope for a Seiko Commander Pogue recreation one day faithful to the original. It's the one Seiko I want the most with that beautiful gold dial. I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened yet and automatic of course like the original
i hope for a modern remake of the pogue , with a hi beat column wheel chronograph movement.
🤞🤞🤞🤞 Yeh, it's a movement issue I think, they simile don't have a new movement to fit that single sub dial and date/day layout but I agree, so surprised it has not happened yet.
Thank you my friend.
Best regards,
TGV
Next year is the 50th anniversary of Pogue’s Skylab mission. Just sayin…
@@beren1hand That would be perfect 👌 and a missed opportunity if Seiko doesn't do it
@@beren1hand would be a GREAT (and quite logical) move to make for them to reissue it.
Seiko's bracelets are world renowned for penny pinching they should just give us screw links with more micro adusts on the clasp. My flightmaster is still one of my favourite watches.
That 24 hour register dial complication is a total waste of dial space. Maybe Seiko is planning to use this movement to go after miota 3rd party movement business.
I wonder if we will see this movement in the quartz version Invicta Speedway for less than $100.
Some of us need quartz. Leave the nice looking quartz's alone. There is no denying this looks much slicker than the flight master
Great episode T! It’s nicknamed the Seitona for a reason I guess. It’s ironically a safer bet than a reimagined 6139!!!;) but how amazing would it be to bring back the Pogue!!
The Flighty I don’t wear that often. Think it’s because of how busy the dial is. I only need the time from my watches and maybe it’s the strap width that limits my strap experimentation.
I’d love to know when Seiko design or come up with a new watch whether it’s for the enthusiasts or whether it’s for the non watch geek!?! I guess limited editions are the geek ones! Speak soon!
The Flighty is an "homage" (French translation - Le Ripoff) of the Navitimer 1332412. NO chronograph Seiko puts out is ever going to look that good. This Seikona is a joke.
The Flighty is on the move upwards in price, but still a bang up watch. Love mine! For usability, I’d buy it in a larger size if it was available.
If you're after something a bit bigger, hunt down the Seiko SNAD05 7T62-0JR0 "Big Flightmaster" as it's known - it's 44mm!
I would like Seiko to do thinner chronographs, 9-10mm instead of 13, like they already did. A 30 min register would be more readable too. I would like a reissue of 6139-8020 too. Thanks for the video.
Great review as always. One of these days you should review a high end casio like the oceanus or their jdm lineage line which are awesomely priced for what they offer. The LIW-M700 gives a timer, alarm, second time zone, chronograph and radio time with 100m water resistance aaand sapphire aaand solar for under 300 dollars. people should know about these..
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Casio beat everthing into submissision whether you want analogue or digital.Seiko cant get close.Casio have every base covered and buttoned up.Why look anywhere else at all?