Why Weavile is Great in Ubers
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Weavile is Actually Good in Competitive Ubers Pokemon. Here's Why.
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"It uses either focus sash or never melt ice"
Meanwhile: wide lens knocked off
Gotta make sure that Triple Axel hits
Hitting all 3 triple axel hits has a similar chance of happening to hitting a focus blast (72.9% and 70% respectively), its not that bad in triple axels case because if it doesnt hit 3 times, you can still get some damage.
Also, wide lens is pretty good because its effect is added 3 times (once for each hit) so it ends up with a 97% chance to hit 3 times with wide lens.
Still, almost 100% 120 BP move that hits twice at the cost of an item is not that bad of a cost when the most striking example is Weavile, the Pokémon that can best use Triple Axel.
I remember when in ORAS I was already killing Uber tier legendaries with a Life Orb Weavile with Icicle Crash, Knock Off, Low Kick and Posion Jab. Good to see Weavile going toe to toe with big legends.
I personally use weavile as a lead attacker by making it hold a focus sash with a combination of Knock Off, Ice Shards, Swords Dance, and either Protect or Fake Out so that my lead attacker can clean house and can clear the runway for my revenge killers/bulky support mons to do their roles.
Battle spot singles, I'm guessing.
@@BlaximilianD00d Yes
@@AtomDarkheart You know, if it's not 100% accurate, then it's 50%
That is a shit set
I really like the mix of mainstream gen 8 info and past gen quirks we likely haven’t heard of before. Awesome content.
In short cause 120 Atk and 125 Spd with triple axel
Meanwhile in legends arceus
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
-Weavile used agile style ice shard
Death by 1000 papercuts.
I wish the King’s rock can apply to the agile style mechanic
(First Pokémon dies)
(Second Pokémon dies)
(Third Pokémon dies)
Hey, I can finally move now!
(Weavile survives)
(Fourth Pokémon dies)
@@jip0611 Imagine Beat Up
Tbf that is a really cool image, Weavile chucking shards of ice knives in rapid succession like a ninja.
Wow! Nice!
Maybe a "Why Landorus-T was never suspected"
Or "Legendaries in the PU Tier" and why they are so bad.
A moment of silence for regigigas
@@thepencil448 Five turns of silence*
Lando-T would trigger so many people lol
Yes I can’t believe landorus T was never suspected in gen 6. It was so strong. Getting horrible flashbacks to CHALK in vgc
Regirock in PU is a great lead/Hazard setter for stealth rock. It is setup fodder though.
Very good video as always, but I can't help but lose my shit at 3:41 there. Just imagining Weavile sneakily stealing boots from Yveltal is so hilarious to me, especially when you go the meme route and imagine them as timbs
XD
AYO HE GOT THE YADDASSSSSSSSS
Weavile drip
Weavile stole my timbs, can't have shit in Galar
I had similar happen but I ended up stealing toxic orb and dying ......
And don't forget that Weavile is now considered a top 5 mon in OU due to that extra offensive power instead of a niche pick like in gen 4, 5 and 7.
Some would even argue top 3 if you ask today
It's all because it not only has a very strong offensive typing with access to some of the best moves that those 2 types have to offer (triple axel, ice shard and knock off all immediately come to mind), but it's also very fast as well. This makes Weavile a great revenge killer Pokemon that can pick off some very strong opponents, which has always been it's biggest selling point. It's also worth noting that for as much as the more casual crowd likes to look at a Pokemon's type combination from a defensive standpoint first and foremost, Weavile is a Pokemon that brings virtually nothing of value to the table defensively, and yet for as long as it has been around, it's never actually been a bad Pokemon, just flawed at it's worst
@@matthewkuscienko4616 I know, that's why I said NICHE instead of bad, because it would be a lie to say weavile was ever bad in OU since its inception. Weavile is the one who proves ice isn't worthless if you are an efficient glass cannon. Is just that in gen 4, 5 and 7 Weavile is niche as a pursuit trapper with Ice shard because it lacked strong ice STAB (Gen 6 he's the default fast knock off user).
My favorite Pokémon finally getting the spotlight. Dream come true!
Agreed Weavile is my fav too
@Sanjoy Kundu What is Aero? And what about Eternatus with Power Herb + Meteor Beam on HO?
I kinda want to see an ubers viable team made of nothing but pokemon that are DEFINITELY not Ubers, but have really good use in Ubers for various reasons. Weavile, Quagsire, etc
Ferrothorn
The fish
@@Dr._is_sleepy iirc Mr. Fish was banned to Ubers, therefore he is technically not allowed on the team for this. Ferrothorn however, is still OU and would fit this theoretical team.
I play an OU team in AG and have got to top 50 so far. It's amazing beating the ubers spammers but it can be really hard against the best players who use ubers
@@mutatedllama ive had pretty decent luck tonight with some combination of Ferrothorn, Weavile, Skarmory, Ditto, Shedinja, Grimmsnarl, and Gastrodon. I swapped Ferro for dual screens offensive Grimmsnarl with Play Rough and Sucker Punch to pick up KOs on the two biggest threats to the team, Calyrex Shadow and Yveltal.
And now Weavile's buried alive by Chien- Pao, a faster and stronger Ice/Dark type pokemon introduced in Gen 9
Weavile lost Knock Off and Triple Axel
RIP Weavile. May Sneasler avenge you in the future
Fun fact wevile has higher special bulk then scisor
Nice
That's cause they're counterparts. Scizor's both STABs hit Weavile supereffectively
@@stellarknight04 wut
@@Lonewulf321
Bug is strong against Dark
Steel is Strong against Ice
@@stellarknight04 oh I thought you meant they were counterparts like heracross/pinsir, nidoking/queens, tauros/miltank, etc etc
Highly advise everyone to check out Blunder's recent upload showing how deadly Weaceus is 😆
Was.
Right now I can count on one hand the amount of teams that DIDNT have a weavile whenever I play AG or Nat Dex/AG. Its just overall a VERY useful Pokémon to have.
True.It's good dealing x4 weak to ice mons like Lando,Chomp or Mence.
tbh if you saw a weavile in ag, thats probably just a case of ladder being wacky as usual. Weavle isnt good in there because ag is a much more powercrept meta. Dynamax, Necrozma-dm running physdef sets and Zacian- C (especially bulky variants) are just some of the things that really hurt it.
@@susmitasolanki4331 I got top 500 2 years ago, only saw like 1 weavile
Imagine weavile with technician, it would be an absolute monster
This got it banned in AAA I believe
Triple Axel would be a 150 bp stab attack
@@coqui9879 180*
For some reason i was 100% sure he already had it lol
@@copenwiththestress3732 omg you’re right. That’s absurd lol
I actually like running King's Rock on my Weavile, since Beat Up and Triple Axel are multi-hit moves, meaning extra chance to flinch. As long as you outspeed, your opponent will likely be helpless.
Give it Technician at least.
video suggestion! do a video on CHALK (Cresselia, Heatran, Amoongus, Lando-T Kangaskhan), the 2015 VGC team that was so popular that 6 of the 8 top teams that year were identical and were all CHALK
He covers mainly singles
There are others out there who cover VGC tho, you might wanna check out MoxieBoosted
Not from this video, but only very recently did I learn that the Fairy Aura and Dark Aura buff applies to the opponents too. Not sure whether they stack if both teams have Fairy/Dark Aura though. Some people even believe Fairy Aura to be the reason Misty Terrain doesn't buff Fairy attacks, it would be too powerful
there is no such thing as too powerful
zacian literally exists
@@fortnitesexman now, I didn't think a Xerneas/Zacian could be further boosted like this, probably the meta won't have troubles overall because of steel types, but that monstrous attack getting another way to boost it made me shake
No, they don't stack. It's like a "weather" that it's either on or off
The effects will not stack multiple times if more than one Pokémon has this Ability.
-from Bulbapedia's Fairy Aura article
@@fortnitesexman be careful what you wish for because that's the type of wish for terrain boosted fairy aura +2 stab play rough
I guessed Triple Axel but couldn't think of anything else. Nice vid!
I finally broke through to the top 500 ubers ladder and boy was I fighting a lot of weavile
Dang, what an incredible convergence of coincidences, all coming together to make Weavile incredible! Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Also, I just wanna point out that Triple Axel is hilarious because:
1. It's based on an ice-skating move where you jump in the air & spin with your leg out, & Weavile is using this ice skating move to defeat Legendary PokeGod Pokemon.
2. It can be learned & used by Pokemon that DON'T EVEN HAVE LEGS like Primarina, Frosmoth, Cryogonal, & Milotic! Picture those Pokemon doing a Triple Axel! XD
imagine being lugia, being known for walling all kinds of Ubers monstrosities, and then this uppity glass cannon shows up with not one but two multi-hit moves you're weak to cutting through your multiscale
It’s always crazy how Pokémon can suddenly surge in viability if the surrounding metagame.
Like, as someone who lamented the loss of Zekrom’s viability in Ubers ever since Primal Groudon invalidated anything weak to ground, it’s so trippy seeing it in the A- tier, but that’s what happens when the best Pokémon in the tier doesn’t completely invalidate its existence.
Though tbf, getting Dragon Dance also probably helped.
Here are some other vid ideas
Why was Buzzwole UUBL last gen but OU in gen 8?
Why did Breloom fall off?
Why Jynx is rising in usage in ADV?
Why are fighting types unviable in RBY?
What is the cleric clause in GSC?
Why was Spectrier banned in Gen 8 OU?
Why was Magearna not banned in USUM?
Why stall is not as strong as in previous gens?
Why Xerneas runs air balloon in Ubers?
The Air Balloon Xerneas was already done
In a nutshell: Marshadow
There’s actually a video by Big Yellow that goes in depth on why Fighting types were bad in RBY. He’s also got a really good RBY Bug type video.
For Buzzwole, I think the short answer is that it got Close Combat in Gen 8, whereas it had to rely on Hammer Arm in Gen 7, but also some smaller things like HDB and a lack of Megas
Breloom is just power creep 130 attack used to be far and in between especially since it had spore but with it's base 70 speed and bad defenses all you have to do is attack it and it's dead without scarf and if it's scarf than you lost the sweeper ability of breloom also not to mention the lack of coverage on a easily walled Mon and even if it had coverage it wouldn't run it since it wants sub and spore or SD and spore
Don’t worry if you didn’t like weavile because in gen 9 they nerfed it by taking away knock off and triple axel, isn’t that just swell?
And chien pao. Maybe if pow gets banned it will come back
@@tylerd1297 maybe but at this point I don’t see it getting banned, since it’s so frail and part ice type it has a lot of counters, and with other strong ou Pokémon resisting ice or being super effective against it its hard to see it getting banned
@@The_Jho fair. I haven't really played and I'm a little confused how strong the abilities of the legendary Dark types actually makes them. They lower an opponent Stat by 25%.
I also question if some of the "suspect" pokemon we're looking at won't be that bad when Tera eventually goes away
@@tylerd1297 i dont think it would because it wasnt good even in UU (where there isnt chien pao) and now is currently RU
@@julianokohlerdasilva3629 haha yeah I saw that in freezais new video. It's weak af compared to Pao. Talk about power creep
Still find it odd how Gamefreak decided to nerf Knock Off by reducing distribution of the move. If you want to nerf a move like Knock Off, you really have to hit its base power or multiplier. Nerfing distribution would work on moves like U-Turn or Volt Switch
Heck, Knock off got buffed as well with no Z moves or Mega Stones in Gen 8. Now, the only way to deter the move is through a rare Justified mon or a Sivally like Pokémon
Covet Spritzee works pretty well!
I think distribution nerf is fine
Looking at OU only rillaboomer and ferrothorn-in-my-ass actually have knock off
You do NOT want to nerf the damage of Knock Off. The big reason is Technician pokemon. How would you like a Mega Scizor with base 90 power Knock Off? Even non-Mega Scizor and Scyther would be way too strong
@@EvanFarshadow Eh, it is just a couple Pokémon that would benefit. Meanwhile it would nerf a lot more Pokémon like Weaville
@@EvanFarshadow well you could nerf it more than 5 power. A 40-50bp knock off would still be one of the best moves in the game and not super broken on technician. Would make a choice between getting rid of an item, or using a more powerful move like Crunch/Night Slash
This is weird but sneasel is oddly good in uu. Dark and ice hits many things that are good in the tier and it speed ties with azelf.
I've favored Weavile in every game I've been able to get one in. Glad to see he's still doing what he does best. My favorite little imp.
You know what is better than a OU Pokemon? A OU Pokemon that can hold its own in Ubers
Welcome to gen 9, where Weavile has been completely replaced by Chien-Pao.
This aged like fine wine
Proctective Pads Mew DD CC Triple Axel Knock Off goes ham in Gen 8 OU
Weavile has always been one of my favorite Pokémon. Glad to see it finally be top tier
Hell yeah go weavile. I love seeing legends get destroyed by non legends. Theres a sense of justice to it you know?
Weavile is my favorite Pokémon, love to see him stand against the big boys
one of these days crustle is going to make ubers like this, you just watch
it is no irony that the streets have been saying that weavile is the new arceus.....
the king's rock ban is a shame, because weavile uses that item well. with a full team of 6, beat up ha a 60% flinch chance, and triple axel has a 30% chance.
I think I can understand why it was banned: it's a very cheesy strategy, and it's no fun to actually play against. I remember battling a friend of mine once, and he brought a Jirachi that was holding a king's rock, and he managed to flinch one of my Pokemon using drain punch, which doesn't inherently have that effect: being able to pull something like that off is the textbook definition of a cheese strat, and those tend to get banned from competitive formats due to them being uncompetitive, since there's no way you can prepare for something like that happening because it otherwise wouldn't in all other cases
That idnt how math works + kings rock is allowed in ubers
That's not how probability works, it's 27% for triple axel and 47% for beat up. Still pretty damn high tho (of course if I ever tried it it'd be more like .27% and .47% respectively)
@@copenwiththestress3732 "allowed in ubers" yeah that's called a ban sweetie. The thing only being allowed in Ubers or AG is literally what being banned means. Ubers is the banlist, and AG is things too good for the banlist tier. So yes. King's Rock is considered to be banned, because it is.
@@SnoFitzroy no allowed in ubers = allowed in ubers...you are watching an ubers vid. Ubers isnt a banlist either its its own tier
I really like Triple Axel, especially because it works with Skill Link, making it a viable option for Cinccino. However, it makes me wish they’d buff Triple Kick, because Triple Axel is literally double its power with the same effect.
Maybe they’re worried that because Hitmontop can have Technician (which does boost Triple Axel already), you would get both STAB and the Technician boost for effectively a 270 base powet attack.
Then again it’s not like Hitmontop is all that great at the moment so maybe he could get away with it…
@@stardf29 pheromosa can learn it too
@@jagjitpradhan2038 Interesting. Though would it have any use for the move even if it was double power, over Close Combat/Low Kick?
@@stardf29 meh
@@stardf29 it doesn’t drop defenses and can break the fighting berry or subs
Imagine if Weavile had a useful ability.
imagine technician or tough claws weavile, hooo boy
It's remarkable how good Weavile is despite effectively having no ability. At least Inner Focus does something somewhat useful for Sneasel now.
Huge power choice band glacial lance wicked blow weavile
Weavile in Pure Hackmons be like if Gen 8 Pure Hackmons existed:
Weavile needs all the love. One of my favorite Dark types
I love these videos been subbed for a while
Weavile: Nobody cared who I was, until I started ice skating
"It's impossible to underestimate just how deadly the combination of dark and ice is."
well damn it can't really be that bad can it if he's in ubers
Weavile is my favorite Pokemon, I just wanted to hear nice things about it
I don't even play pokemon that much, but Freezai sounds so wholesome explaning stuff...
He is speaks in a manner that sounds like he cares about your learning. Makes me feel good about learning.
Why does this person sound like the nerd emoji
Your Smogon description links to Raikou from your previous vid, just a heads up ;)
Oh thanks!
I ran a Weavile with Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, and Protect with an Expert Belt in doubles in Gen 4...and we wrecked face. Gen 5, yes, it fell off...hard. But don't sleep on Gen 4 Weavile. Lots of Arceus forms, Mewtwos, and Rayquazas took dirt naps thanks to it.
Sneasel is my favorite Dark-type and one of my favorite pokemon in general, so I'm SUPER excited to see that its evolved form is finally doing well in battle
huh, fascinating. Weavile's always been a pretty strong pokemon with an excellent offensive type combination, but its never one I'd have thought to use in ubers. Seems like it got the perfect metagame for it this generation though. Its in the right place at the right time with the right tools, which is awesome!
Its always interesting how the Uber metagame is so centralized that it lends itself to random pokemon being good there that might not even be that good in other tiers, like Quagsire, if the mon just happens to counter the best ubers. I wonder if Weavile is this good in OU, I kinda doubt it, though triple axel probably makes it at least viable there.
@Kit Duguay Oh wow, that's pretty cool. I've always liked Weavile's design a lot, so I'm glad its doing really well for itself!
Weavile is the best Ice type because it is the only Ice type that is not overpowered but is always useful no matter where it goes because it has the correct stats and is always nothing but a sweeper. No other Pokémon is as relevant for so long. Not even Mamoswine, who dropped to UU this generation because it’s far too slow, or Froslass despite its Poltergeist because it’s a hazards Pokémon in an era with Heavy-Duty Boots. And those were Sinnoh evolution Ice types, Pokémon that generally fit wherever they land and generally have the stats and moves and speed to fit well. Weavile really is the only archetypal “correct Ice-type”.
So...this evil cat is being a hero in the actual meta
A pretty popular fan idea on how to buff Weavile is to give them Technician. It was debatable up until generation 8, but I’d argue Triple Axel alone makes a Technician Weavile banned from OU. I’d imagine Weavile would be an “OUBL” Pokémon if it got banned due to Technician, but by the looks of it it would still be quite strong in Ubers if it was its only tier, especially with a better ability
There is no Oubl
@@gusthavo15yearsand98 per technicalltiy ther is and isnt there are mons uselles in uber but broken in lower tear a.i. zamazenta or reshiram i thik they are more mons like these are unoffically called oubl it is not offical but it may as well be because it isnt not different from being btw why does bl even exist that dosnt make any sense
Man, and right after Weavile becomes my new favorite Pokemon? Great video, totally not biased.
I never thought about dexit from a competitive standpoint, and how cutting certain pokemon shook up the usual power creep in ubers I’d be curious to see which pokemon would become more or less viable if others were absent.
Maybe Showdown could do a “dexit” format where every once in a while they randomly cut half of the viable pokemon to see if new strategies pop up
Oh cool, an informative video on Weavile's viability. I sure hope the next gen doesnt gut his viability and introduce a stronger dark/ice type.
Weavile is my favorite Pokemon so I always enjoy seeing it have some kind of competitive use
Triple axel my beloved
Aight, who named their Ubers team after HOI4 DLCs
Weavile goes wherever the dragons/psychics go. It's just how Weavile works.
The first time I knew the answer before clicking
I get that this is focused on singles, but I feel like Santi's Weavile with feint in VGC is very interesting.
i've always loved weavile i bred a perfect iv baby one to use in swsh
other video suggestion! the infamous SkarmBliss of gens 3 to 5
weavile was always good, smogon and other mindless sheeple just tells you its bad lul
2:11
Who the f*** uses HOI4 DLC titles as a team concept lmao
Gamefreak really hit Weavile with the double ACL tear 💀
1:16 ''it uses either a focus sash or never melt ice''
_knocks off wide lens_
I've got a question/vid topic: In both of Smogon's recommended sets for Blacephalon, it runs 2 fire type moves (flamethrower and fire blast/overheat) despite both sets having choice items. Why is this, and which one should be used under which circumstance?
Flamethrower is the constant-hitting move, and then you have Overheat if you need to damage really bulky Pokémon.
Weavile was not bad in gen 4-7 I have no idea what this dude is talking about
in ubers it was meh or bad
@@tga4829 yeah in ubers but in general and even ou it was good or at least decent not bad
its almost like the title explicitly says ubers
@@vale1902 did I ask?
wide lens gives each triple axel hit 99 accuracy holy shit
How did you get the Raiden Shogun avatar?
Literally just saw blunder’s ubers weavile vid
My thoughts exactly
How can i support your channel?
How did u found the Uber tier list?
that one hoi4 team lmao
You can thank me :]
3:04 what is raiden shogun doing in pokemon showdown
Beat up only uses the user's base stats, not the team's.
Pretty sure weavile was good in gen 6 up
Weavile is also whimsicott killer on vgc
Me, having used Triple Axel Weav in a casual tournament and dominating with it: It’s Triple Axel isn’t it
Imagine using Beat Up on Ferrothorn and your whole team takes 25% damage from Iron Barbs and Rocky Helmet.
Plus, you can use a defensive Weavile: a combination of Substitute, Spite, your two stabs, and Pressure can whittle moves down quickly in Ubers as most moves used have fairly low pp.
No
nah offensive weavile is way better
@@Pizaro008 i agree, but i am not saying defensive is better... its an alternate set that may throw some players off guard. You can eat up sunsteel strikes and close combats pretty easily.
@@jaggedventure ok but then you dont do much damage back and get 2HKO’d especially in ubers with mons that have 120 defenses all over the place so max speed atk weavile can live one hit at full hp plus revenge kill them with coverage + ice shard if they live
The quintessential glass canon!
Playing with Weavile in gen 8 now is a threat, oponent has a bad weavile match up on the lead? Free knock off or turn 1 KO, good stuff
Beat up 2hko yvetal was the best part
Colourful Chocolate is the best!
YEEEAH WEAVILE MY CREATURE
That player at 1:16 knows what's up.
One of Triple Axel's major drawbacks, other the risks of being a multi-hit contact move, is that there's a pretty high chance (a bit over 1/4 of the time) that it will fail to fully execute. But Wide Lens is disproportionately effective at mitigating that risk, leaving you with only about a 3% chance of it not fully executing instead. It does mean you're not getting a power boost or security from Focus Sash, but it _does_ mean Triple Axel is a very reliable, very powerful staple move regardless.
It's less powerful than Weavile, but Technician/Triple Axel Cinccino with Wide Lens is one of my favorite sets right now.
My weavile is a really weird one, i set up tailwind then safe switch to weavile. My weavile uses king's rock and beat-up, sucker punch, triple axel and ice shard. I usually go for beat up to hit 5-6 times and have that chance to flinch opponrnt go up alot, while dealing a good ampunt of damage. If i can just beat them with triple axel i just do that. And if ice shard or sucker punch can finish the job thats even better. I know that sucker punch and ice shard have the same role but i didnt have any other ideas besides swords dance which then my weavile usually just dies while im setting up (might try a screen team to protect weavile tho. Ninetales perhaps? Idk)
Really gimmicky but thats MY fun in pokemon
Weavile is very good with kings rock + beat up, iuse it in ag
If the Weavile has Beat Up/Triple Axel/Ice Shard, that invalidates so many Pokémon and even more given flinch chances.
Triple axel accuracy is odd.
0.72 to hit 3 times. Wide lens for boosting accuracy is a viable option?
It is, but most prefer to run Heavy-Duty Boots to play around Stealth Rock, or Band/Life Orb for more general power. 98% chance for 3 hit Triple Axels is nice, but there are usually better options.
Wide Lens is viable. However, Wide Lens gives away that you are Triple Axel and Wide Lens only affects Triple Axel. You want a more general item that helps in general, thus you use a Choice item or Life Orb or even Heavy-Duty Boots.
I FUCKING LOVE YOUR CONTENT IVE BEEN WATCHING FOR SO LONG AND I CANT GET ENOUGH
Also check out Freezai Live his tournament content is amazing and entertaining
I don’t touch Pokémon battling but your videos are always interesting.
Freezai making a weavile video after blunders hit smash w/ it in Ubers?
Freezai is surely a follower of the agency
I've never felt like stacking a certain type 2 or 3 times was necessarily bad, tbh. My only comment on this, very accurate.
off topic but bro i remember how dead the ubers ladder is, i was on 1300 ladder and aberforth just came out of nowhere, man was at around 1800 that time lmfao
Technically also because in gen 8 half the dex is missing.. so of course certain pokemon would be better in a game with a limited pull and variety