Defining Islamophobia
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2019
- In November 2018 the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on British Muslims, chaired by Anna Soubry MP, published its report, Islamophobia Defined, to establish a working definition of Islamophobia. Subsequently the definition has been adopted by local councils and political
parties, even before the Home Affairs Select Committee concluded their assessment of the proposed definition.
In the wake of this our guest, Emma Webb, produced an anthology that brought together concerns about the APPG definition of Islamophobia from a variety of perspectives. It included atheist, secularist, religious and academic assessments of why the Islamophobia definition is not only unfit for purpose, but also poses a danger to civil liberties in the United Kingdom, particularly freedom of expression, and journalistic and academic freedom. It may be downloaded here: www.civitas.org.uk/content/fil...
Emma Webb is director of the Forum on Integration, Democracy and Extremism (FIDE), a project of Civitas. She was formerly a research fellow at the Centre on Radicalisation and Terrorism (CRT) at the Henry Jackson Society. Her published work focuses on Islamist extremist networks and
their abuse of civil society, the education and charitable sectors, and domestic funding. She has been published in The Times, the Telegraph, Independent and Spectator, among others and has appeared on international media discussing the risks posed by terrorism and extremism in Europe. Emma holds degrees from the University of Cambridge and King’s College London.
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I admire your optimism fellas
How about a link to Emma Webb’s information?
I HAVE DONE ALL THAT.
The police kicked in someone door who blasphemous blogs were islamophobic on Friday 8th November, let's watch this Sadiq khan's hate speech crime unit and who its charging and why.
With this kind of definition, can anyone politically argue against Sharia law? If a politician starts arguing for it, can anyone counter them?
If you're not free to "hate" an ideology that you find to be anti-human and anathema: you're simply not free. No religion should be beyond critique.
OR THE BLOODY LAW !!!!!!
Also, define "hate." Personally, I hate rap "music" with a passion rarely seen on this planet, but I do NOT advocate violence against its practitioners or listeners. It's hate nevertheless. Everyone must have a myriad such examples. Hate is a natural and indeed essential human emotion: it is the flip side of love.
@@DieFlabbergast rap music, low class, no taste, not music, disgusting
correction --- no religion IS beyond critique. Then again, that does effectively undermne totally the point of almost all religions as unchallengeable tribal rallying point.
Barry is my new best friend. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Only a weak idea demands that it must be protected from criticism
Noice 👌🏻
It’s depressing to see the British lying down in submission and giving up their own space
We aren't. Most British people see Islam for what it is (evil). The problem is we don't have a real democracy. The will of the majority is never met
That's what they get for giving up their guns and voting for socialists.
White converts, Mind boggling, Why dont they all leave and live in a Muslim country, I would gladly fund !!!
@@MakerInMotion to be fair hey, socialism snuck in it was never an open vote.... it’s only slowly came in one thing after another small thing spoke about, small law changed brought in, hate speech hate crimes before we know it we can’t criticise anything anyone.... now with coronavirus bullshit fake laws brought in making everyday people criminalised.
@@eatshtanddie4168 I think that's one reason Brexit happened..... because the European Court of Human Rights, which they always default to, over-rode British High Court decisions.
"Islamophobia, the irrational fear of being beheaded." - Andrew Klavan
Haha nice
Paul Taylor you fecking puppet 😷🇮🇪☝️ feck orf creep
Hahah - yeah...
Or abused
stabedd, accid trown, etc,,, etc,,,, cause the problem became a victim, its the mul way
The term Westernphobia should be introduced to protect our values & free speech
That's a good point. If you wanna start playing their game of identity politics. May be the only way to fight back for free speech but may have the opposite effect and then they take further control of speech. Just scrap it all and get back to common sense and right and wrong and talk without screaming and name calling would help greatly! I'm one of those that does not respond well to be shouted at and called without an equal say! I will stand strong against it all and never be silenced. Brexit no deal now. 🇬🇧
Roger Scruton talks about ‘oikophobia’ - a phobia of the home
yes!!!!
"Western" is a euphemism for white or European descended.
WasRemainNowLeave How about decent standards phobia!
When it is like this when Islam constitutes 6/7% of uk population, imagine what life will be like by the time it is in the majority. If we don’t care about that now, then for the love of God, think about your grandchildren and their children!
European leaders are childless, they couldnt care less, they really hate Europe.
Couldn't agree more. We seem to take all this precious things that we have for granted. If it continues this way we will lose it all and the planet will be doomed under such a primitive ideology
@Fat Freddy that is just a projection. Lots of things can happen in the meantime which could affect that and it may not happen.
30% might be enough to elect the ruling party.
6% now, after being funded by various benefits and free housing and healthcare it will soon surge to be far more. Then we are doomed.
Islam should not have any influence or place in the UK. All constraints on free speach should be removed with no exceptions.
all speech with the exception of inciting violence, should be free if you take offence don't talk to me simple, iv'e been abusing all religions since they tried to beat it into me (early sixties) @ a c of e school.
They don't want any non believer talking about Islam. Period.
A bit like talking about Cancer.
OMG such gentle tip toeing around the issue, but that's just part of the problem in the authoritarian UK at the moment since free speech was abolished.
Here's the long and short of it. Within 15 years max the UK will begin a constant state of low-level war, like Israel, a war of attrition with no armies standing face to face on the battlefield, but you'll suddenly realise you have ten million or more Jack the Rippers. Not only that, but you'll also begin to realise that Salman Rushdie had it easy back in 1989, unless you start spending colossal amounts on a military, and internal security establishment.
Of course, the media which marches in lock-step with the global left will downplay all the violence, just as your media doesn't tell you of all the atrocities around the world at the moment, so that you don't connect the dots. But people will know what's going on, just as they do now but can't say anything in defence of their lives and country.
And anyone that does try to defend themselves or speak out will be banged up for execution by a Muslim mob in prison (the punishment for criticism of Muslims is death, just like blasphemy), just like they've tried to do multiple times with Tommy Robinson (if you're a clueless middle class socialist feel free to boo now or you might get a frown at your next Waitrose-themed dinner party, darlings).
spot on. Just like living in Tel Aviv, it will be.
The term islamophobia is meant to insulate Islam and everything related, including Muslims, from scrutiny and criticism.
Nearly every country in the world is dealing with Islamic issues and we have all to pretend they play nice with others.
What about Christianophobia?
Very nice, I bought some at the garden centre earlier.
Susan Bradbury the fear of Ronaldo?
Jesus said that us Christians will be persecuted for His name's sake. This is just the beginning. Stand fast fellow Christians. Jesus is coming back. Praise be to the one true God. The God of Israel and his son Jesus Christ.
@@philipm06 💐💐💐😅
What about just putting "phobia" in front of anything you don't like? How clever.
An APPG chaired by Anna Soubry - that alone should ring alarm bells!
Seriously though, it's about time that other voices are heard that object to the idea that the English language should be modified or redefined to suit a particular political or ideological agenda. Jordan Peterson had the right idea when he dug his heels in with regards changes to Canadian law (Bill-C16)
Emma is absolutely correct, there is no need to change our laws. Indeed, should such changes take place they would eradicate English notions of individual liberty, in favour of an imported totalitarian idea.
Islam is great until, well, it happens to you or your loved ones.
And it will happen eventually if we let it !
It isn't a religion compatible with our democratic process, simply put:
● they don't believe in the concept of a state nation or federal union. In practice, it's alien to them since they never experienced it, aside from the rare exceptions of secular regimens like Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Al-Assad dynasty's Syria. They still function with their outdated Ottoman Empire firmware. The only thing unifying the oumma is blind following of the religion and nothing else.
● muslims obey sharia laws. They don't believe in things like constitutional rights or our text of laws.
● their religion doesn't tolerate freedom of thought and religion. If we aren't muslims, we are heretics or associators to convert, in their eyes
@@nozoto That's because it's a mistake to refer to it as a "religion". It is a political ideology which covers virtually every topic that we would define as "politics". Surely by definition you can't have two different political systems in one state. If people were able to see it as one political system displacing another we wouldn't be so eternally "tolerant" of it.
@Michael Shannon, Islam is no good for anyone including your enemies. It a vile cancer that destroys Freedoms and lives...
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Islam is a set of ideas and just like any set of ideas it can be ridiculed, dismissed and criticised or congratulated and supported. It's as simpe as that.
Emma is a hero on this subject. She’s completely right about that APPG definition. When James Cleverly was on Politics Live, he was asked why the Conservatives hadn’t signed up to it, as if it should be done by default. The question was asked with a deep frown.
The deep frown should be in the direction of those who worked on that definition.
Trevor Phillips also got a hard time on the same program regarding “Islamophobia” and his challenges to the word.
It is so depressingly typical of Britain to have a government department defining words, and therefore defining "wrongthink".
One of the reasons Arab nations are in the state they are in is because of the inability to discuss Islam honestly. Its stunted political culture is subordinate to its religious culture. Jordanian penal code licences "honour killings". The British government should not be in the business of helping coercive lobby groups stifle debate. Islam raises political questions that Judaism or Buddhism doesn't.
I have a duty and a right to criticize any religion or idiology!
There are *50 majority-Muslim counties* in the world. Meanwhile there are only *44 countries in Europe.*
Are we not entitled to wonder how many European countries are to be allowed to remain only minority-Muslim?
Thank God for young people like Emma. Perhaps all is not lost, after all.
Criticism of Islam = Islamophobia
Hatred of ideology is not racism or hatred of people. It’s what you believe and what you do.
Enlightenmentphobia?
Nice one !
Nothing but a very deliberate and very cynical way of silencing critics ex muslims and apostates by the worst actors in society.
This young lady is EXCELLENT, I love her. Nice one, Emma! Absolute Culture queen
Anything with Soubry's name on it should immediately ring alarm bells. As Douglas Murray put it, Islamophilia is the problem -- not "Islamophobia".
A phobia is an irrational fear. Fear of Islam is quite the opposite, its utterly rational and sane
When you have a religion that threatens violence for speaking about it you get this kind of rubbish.
Thank you Peter for inviting Emma Webb to outline her book. I feel much more hopeful that Islam will loosen its grip on our society. One type of religion should not be allowed to dominate all others including our secular society.
Ms Webb is extremely well prepared for this presentation, and is making a very compelling case. I hope that we hear much more from her as a concerned political commentator.
This woman is so eloquent and well read, I’m so grateful for her insight and bravery 🙏 thank you
As Titania McGrath put it ,
"Say what you like about ISIS, but at least you cant accuse them of Islamaphobia"
It’s rather sad that it’s a native British woman having to stand up for the rights of discriminated minority groups within the Islamic community.
I could be wrong, but I though she was trying to dismiss this islamophobia rubbish as nonsense.
MartinREC she is, she says that the definition they are wanting to use would be used to silence those within those communities that speak out against backwards elements of the ideology
Please listen to the video again.
Islamophobe - Someone who knows too much about the ideology of islam.
Good definition!
This is why if you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you
Crazy you can criticise Christians Hindus sheikhs Buddhists, but not Islam! How many more times must it be said Islam is not a race it's a belief a way of life which all people's from all races backgrounds can follow believe in .
The migration still wouldn't be ok even if they were all non-religious. Why must the English be made into minorities in their own homelands?
You can't do much about it but can cut immigration to 5,000 max, compared to the pres 300,000,000 per year. We don't need thousands of unemployable,s
Freedom of speech is an essential part of being British! Bring it home!
That definition makes criticizing Islam,an ideology,a set of ideas, a racist act,which is absurd.
This is most definitely a backdoor Blasphemy law.
Yes it is!
quite right, the worst ideology in the world is Islam
I sincerely hope the word Islamaphobia is eradicated from use for all time and people banned from using the word!
On his deathbed, Muhammad said, " I have conquered through terror."
If they legislate for "islamophobia" then they must also legislate for " kafirophobia"
Holy shit, I had honestly come to believe that beautiful women no longer came from UK
I think they should propose definitions for Christianophobia, Buddahphobia, Sikhaphobia, etc, all worded exactly the same - and argue that it should be impossible to pass the definition of Islamophibia without similar definitions for all other religions. And, of course, if they balk at it you then accuse them of being Christianophobic, Buddahphobic, etc, the damn racist bigots! 😁
Use their own tactics against them.
so refreshing & RARE to hear someone from the academic world who isnt a brainwashed woke leftie - if i had a daughter I'd want her to be like Emma - super intelligent young lady
Beautifully clear and totally convincing. And therefore politically incorrect. Keep it up Emma.
Another excellent discussion. More chilling, free-speech restrictions. I am grateful that Emma Webb has highlighted the concerns about this 'definition'. She is very knowledgeable.
Emma Webb is a very clever person and explains herself well.
But Germany opened their collective arms?
What happened ?
First major concert women were surrounded.....
WHAT ?
ALLAH IS GRACIOUS !
At concerts hundreds of them surround a couple of girls then it's woopy time for some
@@AJ-ch6kg Yep. Those that their right hand possesses.
Sajid David wants a public enquiry into “Islamaphobia”... it will cost millions of the tax payers coffers! There will be a report and recommendations etc.. The slippery slope gets even slippier
Could he be an entryist?
I would like know is any women who have let Islam were included on any of these panels such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Tania Joya to give their view on this ideology
Armagideon
Apostates have very valuable insights and would provide interesting commentary on what is actually going on.
Armagideon
Sadly true. But I for one am interested in what they have to say.
I Support the right of any person to like or hate anyone, for any reason whatsoever.
Who has the right to tell a person when they are permited to express an emotion?
All so called 'hate crimes' should be done away with. If someone does a actual crime against a person they should simply be prosecuted just on that.
They don't even seem to understand that by attaching a lable of hate to the crime; it semilegitimizes the point of view they are against.
You can despise that ideology, you are not expected to say it openly. It is a shame that something so destructive is being protected.
Brilliant guest, doing such important work. Very impressed with her.
If one accepts a religion as the true way, then they have rejected or chosen to be anti-other religions. Why then is Islam the only religion protected in this manner
I'd like to hear more from Emma about the pathology of Naziphobia which seems to be rampant these days.
Who is this wonderfully informed, articulate and well-presented women and why haven’t I heard of her? I suspect we will be hearing much more from her in the coming months and years - and I for one, am very much looking forward to it. I admire your bravery and diligence in confronting such a challenging controversy Emma.
waba gc ...Umfortunatly, you’re so correct waba gc. The MSM will do everything they can do to crush her. May she find the likes of Katie Hopkins, Douglas Murray, and Tommy Robinson for advice, support, and protection - which will probably be necessary if she’s to survive intellectually and even physically.
Under that definition wouldn't FGM be protected form of Muslimness?
Emma as a war veteran and twice deployed I can accurately say to you you're correct.
Another bizarre and chilling article from the U.K. big thanks to Peter for these talks.
The truth that is so apparent within this discussion is that Islam as a system of religious belief, cultural practice and identity is totalitarian in nature and scope. In this way it absolutely can not co-exist with, or be intregrated into alternative religious beleifs, cultural practices and identities. Consequently, in order to protect, preserve and promote itself within any cultural context it can not be reconciled with, then it seeks a priviliged status. In the context of Western secular societies this naturally entails a privileged legal status.
Its totally ironic that the promoters of Islam in Western societies, will happily hide behind Western legal concepts such as hate crime laws, human rights and civil liberties to claim protection for itself yet deny those same legal protections to those that have the courage to scrutinise and criticise it by nullifying them in an all embracing definition of Islamophobia.
However, logically only such a wide ranging definition of Islamophobia that the APPG is proposing could accommodate the cultural totality that Islam as lived and practiced actually is. This definition, and with it the ultimate nullification of Western cultural values and individual legal rights, should be resisted at all costs and therefore so should the creeping, incremental, fabian like Islamification of Western societies.
Under this APPG definition several millions of UK citizens could be liable for prosecution and imprisonment. ?
It's good to see more and more people talking openly about it.
Emma just amazing, so well informed and articulate.
It was always meant to be a weapon, otherwise a blasphemy law.
People ought to ask themselves that in an age of Islamic terrorism on the streets of Europe, why there are people trying to shutdown criticism of Islam. Then they should turn their attention to who those people are.
A very powerful episode.. thank you for bringing Emma onto the show.
I can't help but imagine how this interesting conversation, would play out in a fully Islamatised Britain... The extremely attractive young lady would have been instantly dragged off to the nearest Sex Slave Market, to be sold to the highest bidder. And Peter would be chucked from the nearest high building. But please do continue to discuss how we may better accommodate our future Moslem Lords and Masters.
Saint John
yes, and she would be in a burqua and niquab with no hair on show. just a pair of eyes behind a gauzy slit in the niquab. any dessent from her and she would be burnt, choked or beheaded.
Elegant and articulate defence of free speech by Emma Webb.
People can see its a way of shutting down debate about Islam
Groupthunk it! 'War is Peace' and 'Strength is Ignorance'. Don't agree with the anti-semitism definition either, it was expanded to include criticism of Israel which attacks freedom of speech and the right to oppose political policy.
@patacorn I completely agree. Look at the maniacal Joan Ryan and the Labour Friends of Israel. Barking mad!
“Sub group” or “working committee” - got to one of them! God help us!
Isnt this Orwellian law similar to the anti semitism laws that have been implemented via lobbying groups
I really like this lady. She is very easy to listen too. 👍
I like Emma! *"Disguised Blasphemy laws to protect extremists".*
I read through their report. I was utterly flabbergasted when I got to the end and saw the definition they came up with. I can only put it down to stupidity to be honest
A really good and necessary discussion. It would be good to see additional discussion around some of the reasons for the concerns about Islamophobia. It is necessary to consider the long history of sensitivity to slights in Islam which indeed appears to stem from Mohammed himself. Much of the Quran can be read as Mohammed going ballistic when people laughed at his ridiculous claims, or mocked him. So any discussion of Islamophobia needs to understand this to understand why the debates are so fractious. It also seems to me that another reason is simply that there are just so many grounds upon which to criticise Islam: the character of its founder; its ethics; its views on women, gays, slavery; its bloody history; its view of the place of humans in the universe which is perhaps the Lynch pin of many of its flaws - human beings, capable of independent thought, creativity, will power, rationality, one might suppose, are nonetheless all to be totally submissive to the arbitrary whims of a supposed deity who 'hates' half of creation and one of whose names is 'the best of deceivers'. So no wonder some consider that there's an onslaught of criticism against Islam. There jolly well should be.
I hope Peter can whittle away the amount of stupidity in this world by inviting thinking people into his studio and asking them valid questions as he invariably does. Well done sir!
Excellent interview as always.
As Titania McGrath put it,
' Say what you like about ISIS but at least you can't accuse them of Islamaphobia '.
We want to be concerned about someone’s feelings and that puts anyone opposed to Muslims in any way that words that are triggering by itself.
We here in states have seen words used to be a weapon to stop a person cold and also stop any exchange of ideas.
All bollocks they don't want to intrgrate with everyone else
Smart girl. If only those who worship the supernatural, fairies, winged horses, gods, demons et all kept their beliefs to themselves and leave the rest of us alone
How about defining “kuffarphobia” and include it in the law. Death due to kuffarphobia is extremely high compared to islamophobia.
Kuffarodium.
All religions are forms of government, all governments are allowed to be constructively criticized.
The voice of truth in a world full of lies
There is no such thing as islamophobia that's why it can't be defined.
Not sure how it's even possible to have a phobia of a social organisation whose penalty for leaving it is death.
Thank you for bringing it to us. All is I can say is they are diluting the word so much in culture it has no meaning. But it puts them above the law.
Being afraid of jam might be considered irrational, being afraid of a demonstrable threat is certainly not.
Blunt American here. The brits are so subtle that it's hard to get the summary of this discussion. Didn't have the patience.
Making laws against 'phobes' will not eliminate them. Instead, they will remain unspoken (mostly) and there will be resentment and even hatred for those who are taking our freedoms away.
Crusaders had the right definition for Islam = the ENEMY
There needs to be a march set up in every city in the UK against this madness they call Islam it has no place in a free western society. Or even a load of people setting up petitions against this would be an idea maybe, so they realise how much of a problem to many people this is. I hate to think what this world will be like in 10 yrs.
This channel should be at least a half million subs in the UK.
Are RUclips sub/shadow banning the channel? Doesn't make sense.
why do I never meet erudite beauties like this? willing to think for herself, rather then just jump on whatever the ignorant Orange man bad Twitter thread bandwagon is this week? I'm glad their out there tho!
So the police asked the Muslim community who said it's all fine? Haven't they heard of taqqiya? And I'm sure they didn't consult the commuties Islam has already blighted
If someone had said to me in eg 1995, "what has religion x brought to the country?" I might have had to think quite hard because if religions are not generally "noticed" that means they are pretty much settling in. I could have come up with "cuisine" if pushed I suppose.
But if anyone said to me now, "what has Islam brought to this country?" the first thing of terrorism would be obvious.
Then comes messing with our freedoms. Nobody bothered really pushing the button on "freedom of religion" too much at all until the recent years. The burka is defended on "freedom of religion" and we have this paradox where our freedoms that are offered are allowing the freedom to oppress.
After the Charlie Hebdo slaughter, certain Muslim organisations and individuals started attacking free speech and free expression, telling us there were limits. But they were not referring to the limits we already knew about. They were referring to their own religious limits, and for instance, our media went along with it, refusing to show cartoons etc. In this case, they were curtailing our freedoms to suit themselves.
And because this had never happened before plus our "offering" of freedoms, and our supposed "tolerance" we don't know what to do. The result is that many have decided to side with it all, and call anyone who complains about this, "Islamophobe" (racist, xenophobe, etc).
That is what Islam has brought to this country.
I remember this report. It was outrageous! I didn't know there was a response. I am really impress with this young lady ...