THE ACOLYTE BACKLASH AND REVIEW BOMBING | Double Toasted
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THE ACOLYTE BACKLASH AND REVIEW BOMBING | Double Toasted - Today at Double Toasted we discuss The Acolyte, particularly the response to episode 3, the power of many chant, and we discuss why Star Wars continues to fail. What do you think of all this? Do you still think Star Wars is good? Let us know in the comment section below.
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Finn wasnt a clone. The first order was going around snatching kids...
nobody cares anymore, thats the problem
Hell they are 2 generations behind. Imperial stormstroopers werent even clones after awhile. First order stormtroopers are way later.
Ackshually....🤓
And???
It doesn't matter anymore. Most star wars contradict each other. I'm convinced Luke Skywalker wanted to be a dancer before becoming a Jedi.
My problem with the Acolyte is that they lied to me I thought it was going to be a more darker show about the Sith
Yeah out of all the anounce shows I more excited for this. But by the time trailer dropped I knew better to skip it.
They keep creating shows that no one asked for lol
It's darker skinned!
@@sproductionsincWhat's the show you're asking for?
Did you get to watch the rest of the show?
Also... yall JUST saw this show and can't remember the character names... that sums it up
Or the names just aren’t that great…
Had the same thought
To be fair Star Wars is dead 😵 only the older generation Disney is giving way to much shit 💩 anyone can’t keep up unless your a hardcore star freak which is ok 👍 I wish you guys would write this instead of money 💰 hungry 🤤 dumb ass Disney folks
To be fair, these guys are pretty bad at names in tv and movies in general.
@@thefirstbourne149 To be fair damn near all the name in star wars are really stupid,
This is a universe where 5 years old OUTRUNS 3 grown ass bounty hunters. I checked out there
The Kenobi series was a disgrace. I’ve been out ever since that and Boba Fett
Anthony Keidis and all of the other Red Hot Chilli Peppers were ashamed of Flea for THAT one!A fking BRANCH??!🤣🤣🤣🤣
'Mum, can we get the Bene Gesserit?'
'But we have the Bene Gesserit at home.'
*The Bene Gesserit at home:*
Who?
@@jessediaz1293timothee chalamets mom in dune
@@Carelesshilton idk who Timothy Camelot is or his mom is. I haven’t read Dune yet.
@@jessediaz1293 It’s a Dune reference. They’re a secret order in Dune who are pulling the strings of society. It’s like the Dune version of the Illuminati
@@ElAssoWipe-odo you even wash double toasted? What Korey wanted was something that was different. A bunch of bad writing for a prequel that just exists to try to explain Force diyads that is basically an origin story for the sith and the fall of the Jedi that we already saw in the prequels is now treading new ground
It’s just a lack of not playing to your audience. If Barbie was shoved into a military outfit and was violently killing people, the Barbie brand lovers would have hated that movie.
Dude you fucking said it man wow !!! Great point surprised nobody WOKE noticed
lol "If Barbie wants to wear an army uniform and take out an entire village she can! Bigot!" lol
I don’t think so. They just wouldn’t have cared and moved on with their lives. But yall are all over it
Yoda being in this show would actually make sense though since he’s like 800 years old lol.
Yoda is too smart to appear in this trash.
@@ElAssoWipe-oorrrr… and hear me out…. It’s possible he just didn’t like the new episode. If you’re that down on the guy, perhaps this isn’t the channel for you though!
They better not make Yoda a loser and hypocrite in this show, he is the only one left. They destroyed Luke, Ham, Leia, the force now YoDa no please
@@ElAssoWipe-odude you made this comment like 60 times. Give it a rest. We get it. U hate Korey for having his own opinions and you say he's a racist and bla bla bla. We get it. You don't like Korey and for some reason instead of just not watching his videos and removing him from your feed like any other person would you decide to torture yourself by watching his videos and making comments on his videos crying about how you don't like him. Unsubscribe to the channel dude. It would be better for your mental health😂
Yoda and other Prequel Jedi will be in a council scene. Fanboys will love this but overall are still pissed at KKs radical feminist SW brand. Just enjoy the cool SW moments you get until lucafilm becomes more balanced.
Critic score: "The power of 1, the power of 2"
Audience score: "The power of manyyyy"
Who honestly gives a fuck about Rotten Tomatoes and the critic and audience scores? I rather just judge a piece of media/entertainment myself than just piggyback on what the critics and/or audiences have to say.
@@carter_lovejoy Apparently many care, everyone is talking about it. Usually the people that say this are upset the score doesn't fit their feelings.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 This is true but it goes both ways. If this had a positive score the people who review bombed it would have just said fans were paid off.
The scores really dont matter though
The power of mannnnyyyyy.... Review bombing unrelated shows & movies with the word "acolyte" in the title.
accurate to audience score, mindless orcs who buy bots and vote bomb anything their leaders tell them to vote down. Which is why unrelated acolyte medias have been vote bombed too
The Acolyte wasn't review bombed, it's just Bad!
@joeb.evrythngEclectic5571 it was review bomb and it was bad...every show has been review bombed...even andor...
Finn wasn't a clone, he was taken from birth to serve in The First Order military
People have been hating on Star Wars since the prequels to be fair it ain’t just now lol .
Fans have been hating Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi. There are contemporary reviews out there hating the former's darker tone & the latter's lighter tone. Hell, before the introduction of the Gungans, it was the Ewoks that were considered the most hated Star Wars alien race.
Attack of the Clones looks like Citizen Kane or The Godfather compared to Headland's Queer Witch Wars.
Star Wars has been hated by sci fi elitist since day 1 for being popcorn slop designed to be mostly spectacle
This isn't the same and you know it. People were upset about stiff acting, and rough dialog after the OT had such loose and flowing dialog between the characters. I mean, try to think about going from the way Leia and Han talked to each other, how Luke and the pilots in the X-wings chatted each other up to the theater like line-reading in the Phantom Menace. It's a BIG jump for people, but the story was still there. The character were still strong. This isn't that at all. The prequels weren't an exposition smothered mess like Disney Star Wars is. You shouldn't brush all criticism under the same rug as if it had no value, that's how we got to this mess.
No man, it's Palpatine's Grandma. Always goes back to Palpatine
Oh dang... damn, they just might...
".....Somehow Palpatine's grandma returned."
Granmatine
the power of one
the power of two
the power of cringe
Edit: criiiii-iiiiinge
it's impressive they created something more embarrassing than "Somehow, Palpatine returned."
Say it correctly or don't say it!!! 🤬
@@lilmissknowitall5775 “that’s a story for another time”
@@smurfie8412edited for ya bud
@@Cajek2 never-ending story, one of my fav books and movies. cheers
Luke was right: "It's time for the jedi to end"
I’m honestly just tired of more Jedi shows and content unless they can make something that works based on who you hire to make it.
Shut up nerd.
@@carter_lovejoy Yeah honestly one of the annoying parts about this show was that it was being marketed as a Sith apprentice
show for years, and then the show just ends up following Jedi and barely showing any sith
@rinzler8272 the sith show not having a sith majority cast is gross. It's a blatant lie. Idc if it is about the rise of the Sith. They sold the show initially on it being about the Sith not about how the Jedi reacted to the rise of the Sith. I dont want George Lucas or Disney messing with it anymore. Wither slow production down to 2 movies and 1 show or just stop producing Star War content.
it shows the nastiness etc of the Jedi.. and not in a cool way either.. basically and literally, universal child abductors etc in a creepy way~
This was probably the most accurate analysis of the current state of Star Wars. I’ve seen to date.
Yep
Been seeing people planning to do a big funeral for Star Wars. Don’t know how, maybe over Twitch
so sick of this “anti-diversity” argument some RUclips reviewers are using to gaslight the fan base and im SICK of it. Star Wars was ALWAYS DIVERSE. not only were they multiple ethnicities but they were aliens also !!!!!
Like Corey said, we didn't get one scene with our original hero's together kicking ass, they didn't explore Finn's character, a force sensitive clone Stormtrooper with a conscious, they couldn't even explain why the Empire continued to have all that power and resources.
The biggest travesty of the sequels in my opinion was not doing more with Finn. A stormtrooper who defected and then became a jedi to lead the resistance in destroying the first order would've been a much cooler story
😅you think they would give a black man all that power@@tomoates8568
Out of all the many problems I had with the sequel trilogy, the wasted potential of Finn was one of them. In the span of three movies, he went from a Stormtrooper who left all that behind and joined the Jedi to *_"REEEEEYY!_** I HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL YOU BUT I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL WHAT IT IS!!"*
They did Finn so dirty within the series and outside of it with how John Bodega was treated by the fandom
Every 3-5 years Star Wars brings out the hate from all sides and all directions. It’s just not fun anymore.
There were loads of jedi that were not white in the prequels. Hardcore Star wars fans have never had a problem with diversity just bad storytelling
Hardcore and just normal people. Issue is forced diversity being used to excuse / justify the ignorance towards bad storytelling and lore consistency. If The Acolyte had an all-white cast, the RT critics score would probably be below 20% too. People are afraid of being seen as opposed to "the message." They feel like they're supposed to like the "right" content that pushes the "right" ideology and agendas.
No, there weren't. Mass majority were white.
When Martin said nostalgia and starwars are intertwined like a cinnamon roll I was completely lost then he said cinnamon twist and I completely agree!
Yoda is 900 years old he can show up if he wants 😂
@@ElAssoWipe-o because your woke fanboy 🤬
Let's hope not Disney would just mess him up
@@smurfie8412I would say it’s silly but why is that woke ? You’re just regurgitating what some nerds said online but I don’t think you even know what that word means.
@@hernalexitoyou’re on the comments section on RUclips participating a convo about Star Wars, you’re not above being a “nerd”.
They might make him show up whether he wants to or not…
"Your Rick James lookin' ass!" 🤣
I think the greatest mistake of the acolyte is breaking established lore rather than developing something from it. That's the reason why fans are so upset about it. We have other shows like House of the Dragon which have character diversity, but are well received and praised because it actually is written well and respects the lore. The reason why the Mandalorian Season 1 was so good is that it is its own story while at the same time respecting the established lore in the star wars universe.
The acolyte did not break any established lore. The critics gave the acolyte high ratings,it's rt scores are high. The rt and imdb audience scores were review bombed so they don't count.
@@marvel22-mf1js they did. they just retconned Kiadi Mundi, and Anakin being the chosen one. and even without the retcon, the characters arent consistent especially Mae. I have more doubt about the critic score than the audience score.
Finn was actually kidnapped and raised as a child soldier, so it’s far darker and more compelling than conflicted clones. There was so much potential with him. And they fucked it up even more in The Rise of Skywalker with a group of them as a militia but with absolutely no weight or consequences.
They also did Finn character dirty like having him as a sleeper agent for darth jar jar would be better than how that trilogy did him
Disney plus shows been ok/ mid compared too the new trilogy that most likely almost killed the franchise idk if they would move forward with Rey sky Walker or just do a timeskip with the male twins that was a nice story from the video games / maybe Vader secret apprentice
Finn is basically a Spartan II lol
Disney treated Finn like crap. Friend zoned in first movie and then tried to give him other love interests in the next two while he’s still screaming for Rey. What kind of swashbuckling hero gets that treatment?
23:59 I don’t think nostalgia is the issue. The issue is that Star Wars is making a hard pivot to a new audience, but they don’t know how to create a good story in this universe.
The best newer Star Wars properties were Rogue One, Andor, and the first 2 seasons of the Mandalorian. They were mostly serious thrillers that focused on characters, story, and world-building.
I think episode 3 of the Acolyte was kind of what the haters were expecting. And unfortunately, the producers do make these shows with the haters in mind. She-Hulk (Marvel) is a clear example of that.
I agree with Andor and Mando, Rogue One I thought was incredibly dull especially in the first 2 acts and characters to be flat, but I know I’m in the minority since people love that movie
@@gcolbyp Right. But... the director and production team that made Rogue One also produced Andor. So maybe they improved.
It’s clear they’re trying to appeal to a new audience but their attempts (Acolyte and the Sequel trilogy) are failing hard.
@@TheCloveartWell Gareth Edwards wasn’t involved in Andor, though I think you meant Tony Gilroy because of the reshoots. I mean I guess, but to me that doesn’t make Rogue One any better IMO. In fact I liked Force Awakens more even despite where the sequel trilogy ended up. And I even liked Visions, the anthology series they did.
I keep asking who the audience is for this new Disney SW. It can't be the fans with how they are treating the source material. If the goal is to add inclusion and diversity, then they are failing because it is horribly conceived and written. Even a young audience can't be the target because many parents take issues with the darker tone and violence of shows like Kenobi and Acolyte.
I honestly think that the new SW is being made just to sell merchandise and promote the theme park and streaming service. JJ Abrams even said they didn't have a real plan for the next 2 movies after Force Awakens. At this point, it's not even about getting an audience as Disney only cares about selling overpriced lightsabers and Disney+.
If you're a Star Wars fan and you refuse to watch some of the fanmade films, you're making a mistake. Some of them are incredible, like Darth Maul Apprentice, Star Wars: Hashino and Malak: An Old Republic Story.
List some more, please. I plan to check these out. I loved "Clone Wars: Battle of the Heroes," myself.
Thanks for mentioning. I might check em out
You can also read the books. I'm sure there are interesting stories out there.
Yet, no matter how good they are it's still nothing new. Plus most of them aren't acted well and hardly get criticized as much.
@@Iwillone so you haven't watched that many of them, noted.
I've never been so uncomfortable and irritated seeing a Star Wars movie/film/show as the Acolyte. I was watching it with my daughter and even she got up and left..
According to some critics, that makes your daughter a "hater".
If you don't like something, you don't like it. But calling others shills for liking something is more childish than this anecdotal story
@@solblackguyIt’s one thing to like something others don’t, but the “shills” people are tired of are the ones who attack ppl for not liking said thing. To me a REAL shill is like Grace Randolph whose blindly defending these shows but doesn’t even fully understand them.
@@DoodleThisagreed . Grace kisses up to Disney because she wants to be “ in” with them
The funniest part of this whole thing is how people review-bombed a movie and a Star Wars fan film, both of which were called, "The Acolyte."
There were 3 times as many reviews for the Acolyte before it premiered as there were for Fallout by the end of its run.
A fan film and movie not even about Star Wars suddenly got thousands more negative reviews.😂
Not only have Star Wars fans made it impossible to take user reviews seriously ever again, they've made complaints from Star Wars fans into a joke.
Even if someone were to have legitimate criticisms, it'll be a while before anyone trusts they even watched the thing they're talking about.
It's funny how people what to obsess about the audience score but does anyone think the shows as good as the critics say it is.
Review-bombing MY ASS. Look at the RT scores for The Mandalorian's first 2 seasons and Andor AND The Farce Awakens. Plenty of Disney Wars stuff has been well-received. Even Solo: A Star Wars Story doesn't have a rotten audience score! Where were review-bombers for those? People are seeing absolute garbage with The Acolyte and are appropriately responding to it. How many of the people in that audience score didn't hate it, but merely disliked or were disappointed by it? RT has such a black-and-white fresh/rotten system. No room for nuance. Another point is where are all the defenders of The Acolyte? They only seem to exist with corporate media critics and probably a few terminally online left-wing activists who pose as part of nerd culture, when they probably never even watched an episode of this show. Just a matter of liking the "right" content and supporting a sociopolitical message.
@@jacobdavis3876 There weren't any campaigns to drive the ratings down for those projects.
@@gamestation2690 Correct. Because they were good. What point are you trying to make?
Ironically I felt like the Acolyte Farooq/Ron Simmons while watching this, because it was so bad all I could think was *DAMN!*
Reset the clock for a Farooq reference
don't shame Faarooq here, c'mon
HA!!! Great comment.
Sad thing that man was used good in wcw back when he was tag team champ heavy weight champ main eventer im talking 90s before he went to wwe really fucked him over what a loss!!!! Look at Ron back in wcw days before the Monday night wars Ron was the man !!!wwe does to much comedy shit lame 😒 I hate wwe for that to many dumb jokes
I guess this means that the guy escaping from Cloud City was actually carrying a SPICE cream maker.
In this situation, the review bombing came from the critics that gave this show a good score so they can maintain their access.
I saw a bunch of one stars on a movie called the acolyte that wasn’t star wars what about those?
Not really, since the movie Acolyte has been getting awful audience scores.
Sure. Wasn't there Disney movie/shows that the critics didn't like, and people joked that Disney must have forgot to send them a check? Now all of a sudden Disney is paying them again?
Perfectly said. This comment deserves a few thousand likes, honestly.
@@lunavioleta001 So only "awful" scores mean review-bombing, but never positive scores? That doesn't make any sense. Those audience reviewers aren't worried about needing to appear PC or liking the "right" content. They aren't shills. Just the fanbase expressing their hatred or disappointment with a trash product.
There are witches in The Clone Wars series & in the Ahsoka series
And?
@@zachschendt7201the guys weren’t sure about witches in Star Wars, and one person said it started in the prequel cartoon series, but they go back to the novels in the 80s and 90s when Jacen and Jaina Solo trained with Luke at his Jedi Academy.
And Jedi Fallen Order. I believe they were called the Night Sisters?
@@DoodleThis correct. Those are the witches of Dathomir
Oh my god finally. A review that rips the acolyte a new one that doesn’t bitch about “wokeness”. Thank god.
It IS woke though. And that is a one major reason it sucks so badly. Wokeness is an overt obsession with identity politics & political correctness. This stupid series was made by people obsessed with ramming ID politics into it. They were very clear about that and they did it. And people didn't like it because it resulted in a very, very poor show.
@@RaveyDavey couldn’t agree more my friend focus on the story we don’t care if you suck dick we want PLOT AND STORY
@@RaveyDavey Why would you go on a rant to a person about the very thing they were relieved not to hear about?
@@EmanthebaldIf I didn't already know that they were doing this for free, I would think it's a paid targeted campaign by some right-leaning marketing group to change public opinion on shit. But they can't read so 🤷♂️
@@Emanthebaldbecause nobody has to care what anyone thinks and no one cares if anyone's mind has changed they are just simply going to say what they believe even if they have to shout over each other so people can argue whatever points they want but conversation is just simply dead on the internet
Star Wars had bad dialogue since 1977.
Empire Strikes Back didn't have bad dialogue. Plenty of books with solid writing, dialogue included. I'm not an Andor fan but even I can admit that show hardly seemed to have poor dialogue.
As a white guy, I couldn’t care less about gender, sexuality, or race when it comes to any media I watch. In fact, if there are minorities out there who feel represented by certain characters in a show or movie, then I feel happy for them. I haven’t watched acolyte or anything, but I just wanted to say this because I’d like to think that most white males share the same sentiment that I do. I’d like to think…
I feel like most do, we just don’t talk about it.
Most do, but the problem is the very vocal minority isn’t as small as you think it is.
I actually did watch the show and I have to say it wasn’t that bad. I actually enjoyed watching it. I wasn’t as good as Andor or the first two seasons of The Mandalorian, but it wasn’t as bad as the third season of the Mandalorian or The Book of Boba Fett. I think most people are just caught up in the politics. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I’m sure this wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea. I’m glad I decided to watch it and make up my own mind.
Do you want a cookie or something?
100%. I see racism amping up on all sides of late unfortunately. I feel like the most obvious lesson in the world is you don’t judge someone by their skin color.
I stopped caring about the Star Wars shows after the second season of The Mandalorian. Most of them don't look all that interesting to me, especially The Acolyte. Though, I have heard many fantastic things about Andor.
It was Season 3 of The Mandalorian that completely derailed any lingering interest I may have had in Star Wars. It just feels so soulless I can't be bothered to even be angry.
I've been going through series that I have avoided upon release related to SW. From a casual SW fan: Andor is fantastic. Just finished Mando season 2, now I'm bracing for what comes up in season 3, because I remember the backlash when it came out lol
@@Fernando_616 I have heard that "Book of Bobba Fett" was basically The Mandalorian season 2½. So maybe you should start with that before getting into season 3.
@@michaelstrong5383 hmmm... You're a champ for that suggestion. I watch the Boys and try to stress the importance of watching Gen V to people who avoided it because it looked different. They set that series up for tie ins to this current season
'Andor' have its own problems as well, but show wise it's been the most interesting out of the ones available so far on D+ (yes, that includes Mando ;)
Just go into any Acolyte review, write in comments " i liked Acolyte" and sit back and enjoy the show 😂
That's like going into any review of The Last Jedi and saying that you liked it or that you didn't think it was that bad. 🤣
@@michaelstrong5383 So people aren't allowed to have different opinions?
@@michaelstrong5383I actually did like the last Jedi .
You did? Why?
This kind of thing helps prove my theory that most non-critic people who claim to like The Acolyte are insincerely doing so for pure trolling purposes. This show is to Disney Wars what the live-action Shyamalan Last Airbender movie was to that franchise, only arguably worse since that movie at least didn't technically try to replace the canon of the original series or retcon any of that show's events/lore.
All of a sudden, Mediclorians don't seem so bad.
part of the reason that they can get away with this kind of bad writing is because of toxic positivity.
they dismiss any kind of criticism as bigoted (racist, anti-gay, or what have you...) and applaud any kind of choice that is "diversifying Star-Wars", regardless of how poorly structured the story is or how bad the dialogue is.
That's how even mediocre writers/directors/show-runners can't get any better because they aren't allowed to hear how much they are fucking up.
As somebody who is read 90% of the high Republic books, I can say that this show is a let down it's not terrible, but it is not good. The books themselves have much more of an interesting mystery than what's going on here, and a threat that the Jedi can't fight it's pretty interesting. I really think they should have focused on a a story taken place during the time that the books take place.
The best live-action media that Star Wars ever has released is Andor, hands down. The writing and the set pieces and the overall design of that show is unmatched by anything Disney has put out since for Star Wars. The fact that this show seems cheaper than Andor, is wild to me.
The Power of POO , The Power of PEE, The Power of POOPEE
“This shows not horrible” Meanwhile, long lost twins have matching unique hairstyles 😂
Its been known to happen in real life so why not
Ummm really, that makes it horrible? And is that more impossible than most things that happened in the original trilogy or the whole series km general?
Luke made out with his sister, and the toxic fandom of today doesn't even make a peep.
@@1MarkKeller No one defends that, as far as I'm aware.
@@thurmanstevenson5692 hair styles aren’t hereditary 😭😭😭
As a straight white male, I can say that honestly I don’t care that there are black, Asian or gay characters. I love Mace Windu, Lando Calrissian, Finn, Princess Leia, Padme, Jyn Erso, Cassian Andor. My problem is terrible writing, spitting on the lore. Trying to reinvent the wheel. This isn’t Star Wars, it’s a sad lesser quality ripoff.
Featuring women, gay people, and minorities in a project isn’t the problem. However, making THAT the focus instead of quality writing and storytelling is.
Actually that can be a problem in and of itself
Remember, we're racist for not liking this show....😂
And sexist and transphobic. Can't forget those
No one hates Star Wars more than the fans.
This isn't star wars
I've learned a while ago, not to care about audience or critic reviews, just watch it (if you're interested) and form your own opinion. who cares if everyone likes it and you hate it or vice versa? why does it matter what entertains other people?
Dafne Keene was doing His Dark Materials on HBO in between Logan and Star Wars. I wouldn't consider this a big return for her. Her last show was way better.
She is not very good in this show in my opinion. Surprisingly the weakest of the main cast.
Even in space the keep the steryotype of absent black father😂
At this point that joke is more used up than Mia khalifa.
@@Officialkingz1true but it's absolutely hilarious that Hedland would never have wanted to go there in any way, shape or form and made a psychopathic vandal setting fires during a riot out of one of the girls.. sounds like something written by Kyle Rittenhouse!
JEDI AREN'T FUCKING COPS
…it’s whichever way the wind blows with these guys. Y’all wanted this. 😂
As a Star Wars fan I don’t understand why other fans who hate it so much don’t just drop the series
To prove a point I guess
As a rule I don’t trust anyone who says they hate a show and continues to watch it every single week. There’s money and clicks to be made in negativity
Most of them didn't watch it to begin with. It has 1/4 of the views of Ahsoka which was already way down from The Mandalorian.
Some people watch it for clicks on their videos which makes them 🤑
This is dumb. You can't argue with their actual points about the shows deficiencies, so you attack them. Stay on topic. The show stinks. Corey and Martin laid out plenty of reasons with examples
Woke means "it should be white men only" a well written show is a well written show regardless of race.
That's what disney and their shills think woke means. It has more to do with forced and insincere diversity and hypocracy of reverse racism and hateful identity politics. It's a cover phrase to describe a general trend or narrative in the culture. And if that word didn't exist then another one will take It's place because the trend is real, people see it, and until it goes away - and it will like it did in the 90s - there's always going to be a word like "woke" no matter how much people want to muddy It's definition.
Thank you for saying it. THE WRITING SUCKS!!! BRING BACK THE WRITERS AND DIRECTORS FROM ROUGE ONE!!!
I just watched Furiosa. That young actress who played Furiosa was great. She acted without words. In Acolyte, every word coming out of the twins sisters seems "acting". That's a difference, and is not their fault.
How is it not their fault, when they are doing the acting?
Honestly the whole force being perceived differently by some secluded cult/sect isnt really a new idea. Im more so wondering how theyre gonna deal with the whole "creating life" aspect because one of the major reasons why Anakin was created was because of the sith attempting at creating life through the force unless new lucasfilm wants to change that part
Edit : I never understood the whole "women cant be jedi" argument that Korey was joking about when one of the most popular star wars characters back before disney were female jedi/sith (the likes of Mara Jade, Bastila etc)
Of course anyone dogging lets say Acolyte ep3 for having an all female cult is dumb af tho
It’s WHY they’re doing it that’s the problem. The writing staff dislike the fans, openly
The sith probably learned what the witches did and tried to enhance it. The witches and sith both use the force or thread in ways the Jedi would consider off limits. Imo it's all stupid. Anakin being a Jesus like birth from the force and the witches and palpatine making Anakin is all so useless imo. But here we are. It was dumb when George did it with Anakin and it's dumb now imo
@@garenthal9638how do they dislike the fans?
@@garenthal9638 well we dont know the "Why" They're doing it.
@@khalduras784 Do you at least HAVE proof or no? Cause it sounds like you’re saying, “Trust me bro!”?
Kathleen Kennedy is in the office like
Kathleen: (GEORGE LUCAS BUILT THIS FRANCHISE….IN A CAVE!!!!! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!
Random employee: Well you are not George Lucas
Why did they have to have Master Sol peeking at the girls from behind a tree?Lookin like that Spicy Adams meme?!🤣
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention how the twins were conceived
because outside nerds with boners for anakin, it's not a issue. The conception so far is the only CANON one where two people used the force to gain a child,which isn't lore breaking like the grassless mfers out here think
😅you think they want to get black balled / cancelled
You mean how they were conceived with the Force, something that wasn't possible until 1,000 years later when Plagueis figured it out? Haha
@@isaiahwade1484 this show takes place 400ish years ago and plagueis was never canon. Lucas said himself that books were loose canon to him and that he removed any actual lures that darth's experiments created anakin. He wanted anakin to be a genuine space jesus, conceived by the force and force alone
@@reggiefreeborn2143 you're wrong about Plagueis not being canon, there's a lot of aspects of him that are, and there's some that's not. The stuff from Legends isn't canon, but him as a character and resurrecting people and creating life is canon. And I said 1,000 years for dramatic effect. Meaning it was much later when using the Force to create life was discovered.
I don’t hate the show, but it damn sure ain’t a 84% lmao
What show are you talking about?
ATM after episode 3 I’ll give it a A-
But the better bring some sith action fast to give hope to the mad neckbeards lolol
Exactly the critics are full of sh#t.
@@sonicsnake44 absolutely.
The critics are full of shit
@@LIGHTLORD_MASTA_RAWRGER You must be blind, ain't no way you give this cringefest an A-
It should be easy to make a STAR WARS story.
But these writers, they can't even do that!
Wdym? Even George couldn't make a star wars story. What is a star wars story
@@TheDCbiz Lucas forgot how to tell good Star Wars stories but he always expanded the universe and eventually got back to telling great Star Wars stories with the Clone Wars
@@BaithNa i saw the first season of clone wars and imo it was trash. Grevious was worse in the clone wars than in revenge of the sith. Lucas made the prequels which imo were worse versions of the OT
@@TheDCbiz Sounds like you just don't like star wars in general lol, is only the OT good to you?
@@TheDCbizBS he created that Universe he can put in it whatever he wants, but people wanted him to tell his story their way.... SMH
😅and now you have this be happy and let it go
At least we got Andor, some of the videogames and the animated compilations.
People are so biased that they can't see that Star Wars has always been cringe. I can't think of a single Star Wars property I haven't cringe at least once, even with the one that I loved.
And that’s what I was waiting for one of them to mention, even in passing, but those rose-tinted glasses were getting a bit foggy 😂
Did you watch the review? They literally just said that. Star wars was original cringe with some weird moments but something that still felt fun. They were talking about how a lot of the stuff from Star wars that used to be new- including some of the fun cringe- now feels Old and you can probably find a lot of that stuff in other franchises
@@Tomodrone I wasn't talking about Double Toasted. I'm talking to fans in general.
And "fun" is subjective. I don't find the original movies all that more "fun", especially not rewatching it as an adult. But it doesn't mean that it is bad, it just means that art is subjective and people are different and they change. For example, since I saw the prequels first as a kid, I have more fond memories with the prequels than the original. Take this same show, go back in time, and people would have taken this differently. And even if it wasn't, so what? It isn't serious. If you watch it, give your critic (hopefully it is a valid critic and not "it's bad just cause woke" or "they ruined my childhood" bs), then move on. I haven't even watched most of the Star Wars shows because of how mediocre and just the same they look. But I don't take personal offense nor do I insult people just because I dislike a show.
The Acolyte will most likely be the next "The Room". It's so horrible it will launch a million memes.
So just like the prequel films?
@@TheDCbiz I was about to say. We've been here before, twice actually if you count the sequel trilogy.
The prequels did it first, but they’re more memorable than The Acolyte.
@@Prototype-357 it's like poetry, it rhymes-George Lucas
Star Wars IP is becoming K-mart and not Walmart. We all know what happened with Oldsmobile. Popular old movie IP's are like mom and pop shops. Some are slowing on it's last legs and one corporate decision to its fate. Like when Luke is about to burn the tree with the Jedi text and Yoda burns it and Luke tries to go back to save it. Now, somehow the text is with Finn.
22:04 Barbie wasn’t a legacy science fiction franchise.
I think not understanding how Rotten Tomatoes scoring works would make one not understand that a show getting mostly "eh, it's okay" scores would give it easily an 84%.
Exactly. If every reviewer gave a show or movie 6/10 that will net it a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. No matter how much I try to explain this to people it goes in one ear and out the other lol
People been saying Star Wars is dead since last Jedi where y’all been lol.nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans that saying exist for a reason .
Well maybe the franchise stopped putting people who hate said franchise in charge, that wouldnt be a thing huh? Star Wars fans arent obligated to accept slop.
"Making something from something boring is going to still be boring " such an idiotic thing to say, the clone wars show was based on the prequels and became a huge hit with fans even winning over prequel haters, so that's not the issue, the issue with the acolyte is it's a badly written show with a boring plot and boring characters that's it
This not only showed how done Star Wars is, it also exposes how compromised Rotten Tomateos is. I can't believe the score this crap got.
I can’t believe you didn’t say one word about the creator of the show.
the biggest difference is the writing period. Barbie was a great movie I didn't expect to enjoy so much. Thats the difference in what writing can do
Maybe look up the difference between movie & tv series (people forgot what tv quality is) something like peak cw lol
@@LIGHTLORD_MASTA_RAWRGER
bruh I loved arrow and the flash until both went to shit In later seasons. Both shows had a solid first 4 or 5 seasons before it sucked and had over 20 episode count per season. You need good writing. So using that as a reference makes this show look even worse in my opinion especially since both those shows season 1 was fire. Once again just my opinion
@LIGHTLORD_MASTA_RAWGRER
I also believe the budget of arrow and flash season 1 for both shows cost roughly 184 million. So there first season budget not combined roughly was 92 million.
@@LIGHTLORD_MASTA_RAWRGER
so since you thought I was informed what's your defense now and if you actually like this show that's cool idc honestly
don't say inflation either lol
Spice in the Star wars universe is like the equivalent of cocaine I believe, Do these little girls want Frozen cocaine?
I don't think they need to start over, but I think they need to move forward. Stop making prequels or anything set around the time frame of the original trilogy. Establish a new status quo by telling stories set decades after the rise of skywalker. No returning characters, no call backs. Clean slate without rebooting and retelling stories that they've done. Maybe get some creatives in that don't treat any Star Wars like a sacred cow and are willing to shake things up. The best received live action Star Wars over the last few years has been written by Tony Gilroy who is on record for saying he isn't a Star Wars fan.
Acolyte was what you talked about though, and it sucks. The problem isn’t “we need something new” the problem is the writing. Andor was set during the time of the Empire and had TIE Fighters and Stormtroopers, shit people say is nostalgia bait. And yet Andor had a top notch story.
Andor was not shaking things up. You really don't need to shake things up. This is the mistake many franchises make as they mature and think they need to keep upending the lore and one upping on the power levels. It becomes cheap and a clusterfuck.
Andor doesn't do anything to upend the lore. It simply tells good stories, and has well acted characters it explores within the established lore. Mon Mothma's character is super compelling but she's not doing anything that upsets the lore or challenges the world of star wars. It's simply just looking at the complexities of what a character in her position would have to deal with.
"When women produce a good or great product, it's a win for women. We are women, hear us roar! But, if we 'ACCIDENTALLY' produce a bad product, then it's someone else's fault, especially men's fault." - Feminism 101
Every Star Wars show or movie needs the same tone as Andor or Jedi Survivor
Facts
Ah yes. Make everything the exact same way with no variation whatsoever. Brilliant.
@@stormhawk4277I get your point, and I usually agree, but your facetious suggestion is actually appropriate for some material otherwise it strays from what it is
So no clone wars,no rebels, no bad batch, tales of the ___, visions, basically bland wank fest till the end of time because yeah, thats what star wars was made for
Nope Andor had one of the lowest viewings compared to Obi Wan and Mando.
Most of the critics suddenly appeared when the movie came out.the only reviews they've ever made were only the acolyte. Disney bought the critics scores. They forced rolling stone to pull their article of reviews until they stop dumping on it. Really sus
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As far as the witches go, they were done better in Clone Wars, Ahsoka, and Tales of the Empire.
What you mean we don't know what the Force is? We've known for over 40 years what it is, Yoda told us. And it's not this thread stuff. And the big deal with episode 3 of the Acolyte isn't DEI stuff, it's them changing Star Wars as a whole. Notice the scores didn't fall until then. Creating the twins with the Force is BS. Darth Plagueis is the first to ever figure out how to do it, hence why Anakin was so special. But somehow because Leslye Headland says so, some random witches who aren't even Nightsisters knows how to do it?? Nah, that's complete nonsense.
Exactly, they're completely ruining the actual canon lore of Star Wars. And Plagueis was actually hated by the Force because he was bending it to his will. But for some reason that's not the case for the Walmart brand Nightsisters.
You're not entitled to say what is allowed in Star Wars
@@calvinfisher5886 but I'm entitled to my opinion. I'm also entitled to say what the actual lore facts were before they got changed. I'd love for you to tell me where I was wrong on anything I said, instead of you just talking. Let's see if you can actually have a conversation about something.
@@calvinfisher5886 Thats true, but that doesnt disprove that fact that disney star wars is awfully written, and makes no sense.
finn was not a clone. per "the bad batch", the empire stopped making clones and stopped using them, save for a few who were turned into soulless black ops agents. the clones were slowly being phased out and replaced with stormtroopers.
The dialogue in this show is so cringe. They spent 180mil for this and yet it looks and feels like a CW show. And not something like Supernatural or Gossip Girl or even Vampire Diaries. It's crap like Riverdale.
This!!
Yes, exactly
What George Lucas should have done if he really wanted to was give Disney the distribution rights to make movies and tv shows, but he kept the creative control over the property. Because now, Disney can change Star Wars to whatever they want. And by the time they are done, it's not even going to be the same Star Wars fans have grown up to love. It will not follow the vision George had for the property. It will be a mindless automation with just the purpose of making money. It will be stripped of it's soul. Fir those who want to see a true portrayal of the Jedi should check out Tales of the Jedi episode 2, Justice.
Oh c'mon, even the movie Acolyte is suddenly getting awful audience scores.
Martin: “The writing is bad, and the acting’s not good”
Yeah, we know
The power of one! The power of two! The power of many!!
People turning off their TVs
@@sonicsnake44ha ha
I feel so bad for my fiancé. He LOVES Star Wars and he has to watch his fandom do fuckshit on the regular.
Most of the time it's not "my opinion", it's "PAY ATTENTION TO MY OPINION".
THIS killed Star Wars, THAT killed Star Wars. I've been hearing that over and over again for over 20 years.
The power of one, the power of two, the power of manyyyyy....
THE POWER WITHIN.
The diversity aspects of The Acolyte aren't the problem. Sol is easily the most endearing character because the actor is the only one who feels like he's giving a genuine performance. Its the horrendous writing above all else that's the issue. Plus I can't speak for everyone but for myself I'm pretty apathetic to Star Wars these days because even when they manage to have something decent like the first couple seasons of The Mandalorian they end up ruining it. Andor is the only Disney produced SW show I look forward too and that feels like its actually telling a story and isn't just cheap fan service and nostalgia baiting. That series has plenty of diversity and no one complained because the quality was amazing. Its funny they only ever use the "bigot" defense when they know there product is objectively bad. House of the Dragon is another one. Plenty of diversity and no one really cares because its a well produced piece of entertainment.
Honestly show has potential but god dam Disney is it so dam hard to just hire people that actualy loves star wars to produce star wars content you know its bad when one of the actors literally say " i remember when anakin blew uo the death star"
Ah yes cause Star Wars actors have always been known for their love and knowledge of the franchise, just look at Harrison Ford and Alec Guinness! They can't get enough of it!
Nerd!
It is too hard for them. They will continue do the complete opposite of what fans want.
Hiring fans is not the automatic key to success.
Nicholas Meyer wasn't really a Star Trek fan, but he directed II and VI which many fans believe are top-tier Star Trek movies.
No. Fuck fans. They should hire independent artists who care about art, not pandering to fans or restricted to the past movies.
I'm tired of hearing black people use the word "woke" wrong, knowing what it actually means.
The true Star Wars will always live on. Everything made before Disney
I liked Rogue One, Solo, Mandalorian, Andor, and parts of Kenobi and Boba Fett and Ahsoka. I’m mainly just tired of it being everywhere. I wish they’d stop pushing so much content. Let it breathe and creatively reset.
@@TheJRP2010this is kind of the real problem at this point I feel. It feels like the Corporate suits who run things are ordering as much Star Wars content (and tbh this applies to most of Disney’s other big tentpole IPs as well) be pumped out as fast as possible with a handful of studio notes about “make sure this popular character shows up”, “include references to this”, “leave openings for X, Y, and Z spinoffs”, “make it fit in this specific 8 episode format”, etc. and the result is that there’s just too much of it too fast for anyone on the creative side to really be able to polish it up and steer it the way it should go. Sometimes this works out and we get stuff like Andor, but most of the time it’s creates works that are OK enough but have this residue that smells like “IP first, art second” and the final product is just not really what it could be, and that missed potential is always frustrating.
Like I don’t think most of it is as bad as so many fans say (I actually liked Book of Boba Fett because I had no expectations for what the character should be since I always just saw him as a blank slate who showed up and looked cool for a few minutes at a time, so characterizing him as a burned-out fighter who wanted to hammer out a new way of living with less strife worked just fine for me), and none of the other shows have been so bad as to make me angry or upset, but they’re definitely lacking in a lot of areas and the whole franchise missing a cohesive artistic vision that should drive the core.
The fact that I’m at a point in life where something Star Wars related comes out and I go “Eh. I don’t need to see it.” is extremely telling. It used to be a fun event to get excited for. Now I just don’t give a shit.
Korey’s idea of just rebooting the prequels doesn’t work for Star Wars. The prequels are the chronological starting point for the entire saga. If you reboot the prequels then you have to reboot everything that comes after it or just say that the original trilogy is no longer canon which won’t sit well with fans.
Yeah I don’t think rebooting the Skywalker Saga is the way to go
It's also incredibly dumb. Korey claims that he wants Star Wars to do something new but says in order to save Star Wars is to tell a story already told. I swear he has the worst takes on Star Wars.
It's incredible how Disney has learned absolutely nothing from Andor. Star Wars CAN be for adults, we can have non-corny writing! The Acolyte lends itself so much to the same tone and style as Andor, why did they choose this direction? Sigh
I don't think the Acolyte is terrible (could change before the end) but at that this point even if it was I would assume from the hate it's getting that it's purely getting review bombed by trolls for ideological reasons. Seriously, just about every media property nowadays that features a non-white, non-hetero, non-male as a or the central character gets this treatment now by default. We've had about two years of these concerted campaigns against every major media property that doesn't have a white, straight male protagonist and I get the sense a lot of ordinary people are just kind of tired of it. If something sucks, fine it sucks. If it's ok, it's ok. If it's awesome, hey it's awesome. But these campaigns to deliberately tear down media properties before they're even out, kind of forces people to take sides by default and doesn't allow anyone to make an honest review because you get pushed into picking a side based on whether your "anti-woke" or just "anti-anti woke".
Rogue One was loved and the Force Awakens had tons of hype before release and made bank and had fans hyped with fan theories after , then we got the TLJ that ruined that hype. Ahsoka had a fair score from fans and she's female. You are speaking about less than 1% of people online, not the majority. Fans could easily say the critics are review bombing to make it look good. See how that works.
Horse SHIT.
The most diverse star wars movie of all time: Rogue one is genuinely loved.
The new Bad Boys is killing it at the theaters.
If its good, people will support it.
This show, however, IS the Madam Webb of star wars
Stop. At this points it's gotten thousands of dislikes. Maybe half, and thats a strong maybe, are review bombing. There are tons of legitimate dislikes.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 Both rogue one and tlj didn't have hate campaigns that didn't start before the movies were even released. And you're either a fetus or a unbirthed spirit because ahsoka was extremely vote bombed before rotten tomatoes and meta critic had to put their foot down. Maybe you and everyone in this thgread need to wake the fuck up, you're being hate dicked. RUclipsr media personalities are grooming you for the next to bump up thier next culture war video, they've been doing that since the last jedi showed they can honey dick men into a frothing, but loyal mess. Acolyte is okay, it's not high art, it isn't house of the dragons. But it's a okay show (which squarely puts it where the reveiws have it in the 60s)that's being over analyzed from FIRE IN DA SPACE(like thats new) to lore break(because lets ignore the big reason for anakins chosen one thing is that he had no second parent and a high m count)
and by the way, if you don't beleive me, look at rotten tomatoes and look at the recent projects called "acolyte", none of them connected to star wars, most of them have been released a year ago, and suddenly they have have mass bad reviews that claims those projects are woke dei ect
Dr who does a better job of telling compelling sci-fi stories than Star Wars does.
What's very disheartening and confusing is that the line between those who hate it for lack of creativity and hate it for diversity is blurred. I mean in these few years, diversity has been shown more, but with how badly they are being shown & failing, it's just so heartbreaking. It's consciously and subconsciously being associated with failure. As a black woman, I have to hold tight to complex, entertaining characters like Mel from "ARCANE" and miles from the "Spiderverse" b/c they give me hope & reminds me that we're capable of more than race swapping and black suffering; we too can venture beyond the hood & the stats.
Where is exactly the lack of creativity in The Acolyte? It's a wuxia murder mystery, you're allowed not to like but to call it uncreative is deeply ignorant.
@@thehacker4012 There's various forms of creativity that intertwine, that takes a plot beyond a simple synopsis; beyond being just a Wuxia Murder Mystery. However I do need to work on not being so consumed by the spectacle that is this hate train on Acolyte and judge it properly. I guess once you've been burned so many times, it feels like one has not a lot of chances left to give. By the way, I have never heard of Wuxia before and I'm glad to have learned a new word, thank you. 😊☺️Honestly I like the "Wuxia Murder Mystery" description better than just calling acolyte a combination of Kill Bill and Frozen.
What'worst is what it says about what Disney thinks it's fans are like. In the past when America was mostly white you had less diversity because the assumption is all the white people watching at home wouldn't watch shows with black,latino ,women in major roles outside of sidekicks,comic relief and love interests.
The problem is the studios are still using the same mentality today as then when creating their shows. They assume everyone is racist so they got to play into that. America today is more diverse, especially with younger people and younger people is who they are trying to win over. The impression they have gotten from social media is everyone hates white people these days , especially men so if your young they then will pander to that assumed bigotry even if it's not true. It;s because they think it is true.
It's the same reason why every female character now feels like a girl boss and ever black male character is given the same haircut. . The people making these shows are entitled rich people who don't understand their viewers, no matter what race or gender they are. All they know is sterotypes and what they see in cringe clickbait rants on social media.
@@Bebop8ubby What I described to you wasn't the synopsis it was the GENRE. Also, saying that The Acolyte is Kill Bill meets Frozen is something that writers do all the time to get their general point across. Buffy is My So-Called meets The X-files, Lost is Prisoner meets Lord of the Flies, and so on.
@@jasonvotaw5188 If you don't want Disney to think that you're racist then don't continually act in bad faith when every time there is female or minority lead in your favorite IP.
I watched the first episode. Actually liked it. Then immediately realized how tired I am of completely irrelevant Star Wars shows that take place hundreds of years in the past. We already know how the story ends for the Jedi. Focus on the present.