I'll do one better unlike other fall out characters the courier is not a blank slate fresh out of a vault, he's a tough experienced wastelander that had the determination and fortitude to take a bullet to the head claw his way out of shallow grave and get to help against all odds, his driving motivation 1. Kill Benny and 2. deliver that dang platinum chip like he was originally going to do at the beginning of the game.
I really hope they'll make House sort of anti hero and won't give clear "bad guys" "good guys" stuff, the beautifulness of west coast that there were no saints. I don't wanna see "muhahahaha I'm evil corporat that makes moni and cares about no one but myself!" After all those things, all those plans he shared with courier in Vegas. House might be arrogant but he is not interested in personal gain, he actually has a plans for future of humanity
I don't think personal gain is that separate from the future of humanity for him. For all the differences, direct personal, private ownership of such resources and population are not a new idea, they have a lot in common with absolute monarchs of all. He did a thousand times more than most monarchs to earn it, but that's how he wields that power.
From the beginning you know the end. Mr. House is the only reason the courier survived Benny via Victor. It begins with Mr. House it ends with Mr. House. Just from Victor saving the courier you can tell the Mr. House ending must be cannon if you’re familiar with storytelling techniques.
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS AND PROPLE CALL ME CRAZY!! its obvious, the man saved your life, i highly doubt the courier would just kill him after everything he has done
For me, what made me realize MR House ending is cannon was: when you kill him you lose Karma in the game. Notice you don’t lose Karma when Killing General Oliver, or Lanius, or Caesar. Normally you lose Karma when you kill someone who is (mostly) a good person. I always wondered why killing a narcissistic aristocratic would made me lose Karma
@@OriginsStaffs because that "narcissistic aristocrat" doesn't force others to act a certain way, nor does he run a fake democracy and lie to everyone. Instead, his people are pretty much free, so long as they threaten him.
House is probably the second worst ending next to NCR. Only cares about Vegas (not even the Mojave let alone the world itself beyond the Strip's walls, just look at Freeside FFS) because he's using it as a means to generate funding and a workforce and eventually educated people so he can completely abandon the Earth and colonize space. As a megalomaniac dictator, Vault 21 disagreed with his vision for the Strip and he exiled most of them and filled the vault with concrete. What do you think he will do when one of his colonies similarly disagrees with him or seeks independence, in the vacuum of space where nobody will likely be able to stop him ever again? House is a terrible, terrible choice, his only saving grace is that he isn't the NCR. Once he abandons the world he will just leave the Mojave to be fought over yet again by the NCR and Legion, or whoever it may be by that point. His ending accomplishes nothing besides leaving a very morally questionable if not outright bad man the keys to unlimited power.
Mr. House is the embodiment of *transcendence.* He was the rigger of the game. He was the one who turned all the lights on and lured the NCR and the Legion to the Dam and to New Vegas in the first place. Put out all the stops, sprang into action as soon as he new it was time. If you look at some of his terminal entries and some of his future plans, the man was 1,000 steps ahead. Re-establish high-tech sector within 50 years, human colonies sent off-world to other habitable systems within 100. He isn't just looking at just the dam, rebuilding the nation, or even re-establishing humanity; he's looking to transcend. In all possible ways. That is the idea of his character. So yes The House Always Wins
I always believed house to be the best ending to vegas because he's the only person in the entire game who isn't completely winging it. He had a plan, long before anyone else started planning. He wasn't interested in ruling, he wanted to rebuild. House doesn't tell people how to live their life, doesn't declare things immoral or illegal, he just makes sure people aren't killing eachother, and that the businesses run smooth. He had a plan to restore humanity to not just a surviving state, but a thriving state; And looking at vegas, not only does he have the ability to do it, he's already done it once before. Yes, freeside is a slum where anyone not rich enough to feed house's coffers get tossed aside, but that's only because he hasn't had the resources to expand vegas and open it up. I think if anyone's going to bring a truly prosperous independent vegas, it's not courier and yes man, it's house, with the courier at his side to keep him in check, someone who house already posed the idea of gifting immortality to.
I feel like the show suggests that house is the successful one anyway because why would they cast a whole cameo for one scene unless he was to return - seems a little bit hmm
Has everyone just forgot about the tunnelers? Why? Because it's dlc content? Ulysses warned that within a decade they would become a threat to The Mojave too. Looks like it.
I think the fact that they were so unreasonably powerful in the gameplay might be clouding your judgement here. The Mojave already has plenty of other beasts, and the Tunnelers could probably only harm humans about as much as they harm the red half-ghouls in the Divide. Besides, the Mojave is huge.
Courier ending makes more sense to me. House ends on relatively good terms with the NCR--as he had hoped. Meanwhile the Courier--even if you resist the urge to kill Oliver or throw him off the dam--ends really poorly with the general being clear that the NCR will be back and they WILL be going to war...which, as we can see, is what happens at the end with a battlefield of NCR vertibirds and securitrons.
I have a hard time seeing the courier ending being what they go with. Are they gonna keep referring to the ruler of New Vegas as "the courier"? Feels to me like going down that route means they have to either canonize too many details about the courier or really tiptoe around talking about a core piece of New Vegas history
Honestly it looked more like something happened not between the NCR and House but from an exterior threat that pushed them out, which was very possibly the BoS given the state of the West Coast's relation with the NCR and that the Courier likely blew up the BoS bunker. Only reason why I think that the NCR and House aligned for a moment was because it looked like there was a lot more than the NCR Vertibird and the Securitrons, e.g. deathclaws and other stuff that hints at something else. That being said, I definitely think the NCR ending is not canon, because if it was, the NCR would be a lot more organized whereas in the show it is clear that as the NCR soldiers in the Mojave stated during the events of NV, the NCR Army is spread way too thin, and they wouldn't have had the resources they needed to launch an effective retake of the Shady Sands area. It is also likely that Caesar failed in his attempt to assassinate Kimball given that Kimball was a pariah and was driving the NCR into the ground, and should have Kimball died he would've become a Martyr in which the NCR would actually be more invigorated to fight. There is a lot to unpack though, but the Courier/House endings make the most logical sense because frankly the Courier siding with the NCR is less likely than siding with House.
@@SobaOfPulaski If another faction was involved, surely we'd see them among the corpse piles--legion soldiers, brotherhood knights, etc. It looks like the battle was specifically between the Securitrons and the NCR, with maybe the occasional wildlife joining in. The Securitrons could only be the Courier or House...but House simply doesn't make sense. He'd have no reason to go to war with the NCR and his relationship with them is fine at the end. Having House go to war with the NCR makes him look...insanely incompetent and stupid. Meanwhile the Courier is enemies with the NCR by the end.
I really wish they used New Vegas as a way to close off the west coast era of fallout but nope guess the TV show reopened that. I liked the fact that we debated over which ending was canon was fun for me.
@@beastofcornwood I live in New England so that's why I want another east coast fallout game set in Connecticut and yeah West coast is way better from a story perspective.
@@beastofcornwood that would also be really cool! Maybe finally re-explore the idea of cars in the fallout universe in Detroit. Maybe they got the car factories working again somehow
I believe once word got out that Shady Sands had fallen, the NCR in a desperate attempt tried to take New Vegas. This could've set off a chain reaction where all the factions fought for control once the NCR started attacking. Maybe they sabotaged Hoover Dam just to spite House and insure no one could have it. If Yes Man is canon maybe Benny's plan worked in this series, but things fell apart after due the NCR attacked and/or Yes Man possibly going rogue. In the end I think its safe to say that no matter what happened, Mr. House is alive, secured inside the Lucky 38 trying to rebuild New Vegas or as the sole soul of the Strip. I don't know if the show will bring in Mr. House's special securitrons like Jane and Victor.
@@beastofcornwood I looked back at the ending of Lucy's dad approaching New Vegas, as he does a song starts to play, "We three" by the Ink Spots and as the shot switches to New Vegas this line plays: "My echo, my shadow, and me". ruclips.net/video/xftcrkZ7GRE/видео.html So, to me that could be a stronger implication that Mr. House is the only living being in the city, everyone else is either dead or has fled to the outskirts outside the Strip as you can see campfire smoke rising from some of the small settlements.
What would be honestly great idea, is to have Lanius move east with rest of the Caesar Legion, keeping them as possible antagonists later down the line.
Seeing as Mr. House is the only major character from the games to appear in the show (as far as we know), I thinks it’s safe to say he’s going to be a main character in season 2. My theory is: I think the BoS is going to use cold fusion to power Liberty Prime, and at the end of the season it’s gonna be House’s army of Securitrons vs the BoS and Liberty Prime. It would be poetic to see House get undone by his own creation I also think Ceasars Legion took over the Brotherhood from the inside.
3:30 new Vegas being destroyed couldn’t mean anything because if you pay attention to the end credits of every episode it shows a destroyed version of the next episodes setting. Rewatch it.
Yeah but for most of the credits we saw the results of the bombs falling. New Vegas' destruction seems very intentional and detailed with the vertibirds etc like they are hinting that something happened since we last saw it. They could've just shown a ruined Vegas like all the rest but choose to show the remains of a battle, and the snippet of Vegas that we see with Hank doesn't look that far off. Both look they've gone to hell and something happened but we don't know what.
An issue with this vid is that the NCR does not depend on Hoover Dam. The NCR existed long before they took over Hoover Dam and built their nation without it giving them power to start with. They only held the Dam for 7 years up to the point where New Vegas takes place. That is no where near enough time to make a whole nation depend on one power source go the level of collapse if they lose it. This is also why its not President Kimble's #1 priority. He kept most of the NCR's forces in New Cali and fighting in Baja.
I think the NCR, BoS, Enclave, and Mr. House are going to be the big players by season 2 for many reason. First off, Moldaver still let Cold Fusion activate even though the brotherhood had already won by then. Chances are, this power reached Vault City, The Hub etc because we havent seen them yet. We know the NCR is still out there, they were just very weakend. Second the Enclave has been mantioned a few times and they seem to be doing fairly well in Cali. The BoS is pretty obvious as nothing really happened to them by the end of Season 1 and the Prydwen is there. Last (as mentioned in the video) is Mr House. He just seems like the most logical answer. That or Yes Man...
Most likely everyone lost. It means basically any of the endings could have happened. It’s been 15 years since the events of New Vegas. Caesar is definitely dead and the Legion is eating itself if it’s not already a fading memory. Shady Sands experienced some kind of “fall” before getting nuked. This would just leave house or the Courier. Statistically speaking, most of the New Vegas endings involve House dying and even if he did win the Dam he could have also just died at some point over the next 15 years. Same with the Courier. Basically, that 15 year gap will likely serve as an excuse to make Vegas post apocalyptic again.
I can see this being the ending if kimball died at hoover dam. It would explain his picture more so in the TV series shrine. As house says he would become a martyr if he dies, goodbye tourist economy hello crippling sanctions. With house taking control NCR would likely have a vendetta against him and look to uproot his authority by any chance they got. With the Legion on the retreat and slowly killing itself they could divert resources to work against house until tensions boiled over.
Honestly, I think they are going the Fallout Dust route, not fully, but they have the premise that the dust storm mixed with the cloud, the NCR attempted/succeeded in a hostile take-over of the strip, and neither side won. Oh and add a flood of deathclaws from the valley swarming the strip because of the fighting. Explains the redness of the area, the desolation, and the lack of visible human life.
No they wouldn't, their army reserves would be exhausted after the Hoover Dam battle. Plus with technological advancements, Mk. 2 securitrons and trade, the NCR wouldn't invade the Strip.
@@omlo9093 the NCR thought it would win on taking it back from Mr.House. We see the Legion is down, but the end of NV. The general of the NCR tells you they will be back. We can assume the returned tried to fight. They lost a town to getting it nuked. The failure at NV to fully win by taking it. That would likely cause a massive collapse of the NCR. The NCR by the time the show comes around is a shell of what it was prior to NV.
Honestly, the level of his personal vault's security is dumbass, plus he's eager to slaughter innocent groups like the Kings and the BoS instead of cooperating with them, but otherwise I like his ending. After all, no matter how many enemies the Courier makes along the way, House is the one with a huge bullseye on his forehead as the employer and curator of Courier's actions.
Very true 🤣 honestly after this video I had a thought to myself, What if the Legion actually won? We see no trace they lost or won like in the tv show they leave them completely out (for now)
You call the Brotherhood an innocent group? Damn you definitely are out of your mind. The kings can be allied with Mr House if you make them attack the Ncr soldiers.
What I think happened going by the show the courier side with ncr removed house no fatalitie when the republic collapsed he tried to run it him self but ultimately decided he need help. And took him back out
I really hope they either make it ambiguous to who won or do a sort of splitting universe thing where the different endings become different timelines. Part of the magic of new Vegas is shaping the world to be what you believe it should be, and making it so one faction canonically won would take away from that.
House ending always made the most sense for the Courier to go down, even though I mainly do the NCR route because fuck house for making me betray Veronica.
I always go the peaceful route doing the ncr ending but brokering peace with the brotherhood. I like to be loyal to the brotherhood when I play so keeping them alive is a must but I also didn’t want to kill the ncr bcuz they kept the legion at bay (literally)
If they were to ever continue west coast from a creative writing standpoint I'd have to bet on House followed by NCR being made canon NCR the Courier isn't required to become a critical part of power structure and could fade into background either as an agent or a wanderer but narrative focus for entire region would be kept entirely on the NCR being an old world America copy repeating many of the mistakes of the past with Vegas becoming another state within it. Legion in the hands of a talented writer could be interesting to see dealing with the fallout of Caesar but a talented writer could make any of the endings interesting, Vegas becomes the new heart of their empire but collapse is established as the likely inevitable outcome and wouldn't need a win to see that unless leadership passed to Courier-Augustus which runs into same problem as the courier ending. Courier ending means not only giving a canon outcome but either taking the blank slate to fill in your own character and throwing it out to give them a fixed personality, or avoid doing so by overthrowing or ignoring the region entirely. With House we get Vegas remaining independent, becoming a buffer against eastward expansion, delays an 'east vs west' scenario and takes some of the focus in the region away from the NCR while keeping the courier out of focus either as an enforcer or a wanderer.
I really thought this was obv tbh. I haven't watched the vid yet but it always made sense to me. 1. The vast majority of people would not try and stand up to mr. house, especially after all they just went through. You can feel the intimidation factor just talking to him in the game, nvm if you were just some random courier before all this, actually there. 2. NCR is just too unstable to overthrow mr. house, especially once he has the platinum chip, and mr. house likes the business anyway. 3. Legion wasn't strong enough to take the dam from the NCR cause of a handful of snipers. Again, mr. house and the platinum chip slaps the ncr so he slaps the legion just as-well, especially since he's allied with the NCR to begin with. 4. Benny is a fucking tool and his story ends in death every which way so he's not gunna do it. 5. Wildcards like the brotherhood and the khans don't even hold a candle to mr. house. Tbh, i personally felt like the game was over the first time I played it and killed benny cause I just had kinda concluded the game in my head like this, that + the walls on the strip made it feel kind of underwhelming to get there too in general. I've sunk like 1000+ hrs into the game now but it wasn't until I picked it up for the second time, after getting bored of f04, that I really bit into the story cause I legit thought that killing benny was the whole main quest minus some big battle after I side with a faction, cause I just didn't care to help any faction the first time I played. But that's kind of why after playing all of it now that the canon ending just seems like "courier goes on his day, mr. house owns wasteland." which is very funny in the grand scheme of all you can affect as the courier lol.
A good writer would let House win, a bad writer would let Cesars Legion win. House has a lot of potential and frankly Vegas is his property. Was it not for him then there would be no Vegas.
You make a very good point, I would agree it is his property. What if the battle of Hoover dam was just a beginning to the next bigger thing in new Vegas? Like it didnt solve anything like how the first battle was a stalemate even though it wasnt a stalemate in new Vegas's ending, what if it's one of those. "Won the battle but not the war" situations.
how they could introduce courier 1. taking power from house as a never full shown background entity 2. a few background mentions via mr new vegas (no word on the immortal mailman who was last sighted near big mt) several years ago 3. never speaks snipes a bunch of deathclaws with his .50 who jump the gang
Could do a Darth Vader deal where he has a helmet that he wont take off but then it kinda rips that one off, but I never considered them bringing the courier into the tv show
In TV series, NV was nuked to remove which faction won. Plus i believe Todd Howard is bitter about the success of FNV since its deemed as one of the best games produced, especially of all of the FO games. In the end no faction really won in the TV series as Vault Tec nuked NV, just like the did for shady sands. Like the enclave, Vault tec wants to kill off everyone and make the world in their own image (ie play god). That's what was stated in the TV series.
Mr House being the canon ending makes sense because he was gonna rebuild Vegas destroy Caesar’s legion the ncr and he was thinking about going to space he upgraded the securitons so he’s pretty frickin powerful
I thought About the Legion as well, Maybe I will elaborate in future what if the Legion won because I see an argument for that as well, we see NCR and Securitron destroyed but no sign of the Legion what so ever 🧐
@@beastofcornwoodMakes sense, tho if they wanted to show a legion win being canon there would definitely be crosses and legion banners lining the streets since that’s kinda their thing, wherever the legion takes over there is always crosses with their enemies nailed on. (Nipton, forgot the name but the town from Camp Forlorn hope’s quest, and the fort itself). Tho I believe the NCR attempted an attack on Vegas because if they wanted to do so they 100% had the forces to do so without the legion around and like you said Hoover Dam is extremely important to the NCR.
Something that would be different and unique that I highly doubt they'd do. Have the Legion ending be canon. And I say that as someone who doesn't even like them. BUT from a storytelling point of view,it'd give a dark,unexpected fate for the mojave. Finding out the courier was an absolute psycopath who helped caesar would be interesting. It'd get rid of the whole every canon protagonist is a good guy trope that bethesda is obsessed with. But moreover,it'd give a good antagonist and a common enemy. Imagine lucy seeing just how evil,I mean EVIL the legion could be and convincing maximus to convince the BOS to team up with the NCR and other factions to take over vegas back again from the legion. I also do question why new vegas looks like it's very dead. I mean,it should be bright,vibrant and expanding and only grown bigger since we last saw it,does make me question what really is going on there. Just my 2 cents
On one hand I hope this is true for the shows sake, but I also kinda hope it follows the lonesome road canon because it’s kind of sus that Hank walked over a deathclaw skull (a fallout 4 deathclaw skull at that) so my first thought was that tunnelers made it to New Vegas like Ulysses said they would and deathclaws aren’t the apex predator anymore.
Idk about all of you but the second they said house would be in Season 2 I put 2 and 2 together, Because (at least to my recollection) all the other endings involve killing Mr. House. Definitely wouldn't be yes man, Legion, or NCR so it left only one answer. I'm more interested on whether or not the followers of the apocalypse good ending arc is cannon.
“My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
if YES MAN end is the canonical one, it is possible that mr. House had a plan in case he died, Yes Man said he would have to change his Personality and it would take a while, so Mr. House could have copied his memory into a robot
Years ago I took a deep dive into who the better faction was for New Vegas’ future and it all came down to the fact that Mr. House is the most stable ending but not without its sacrifices. You have to wiped out the BOS in the Mojave which might be a deal breaker for lovers of that faction. The NCR is spread too thin and full of corruption. The Legion is self-explanatory. Lastly, Yes Man is outright anarchy which is not a hopeful future. The show all but confirms that NCR and Legion are definitely not the canonical endings. Which leaves House and Yes Man. Judging by the connections to Hank MacClean and Mr. House pre-war in the show, House is alive and well but something is probably going on in New Vegas after all this time. 15 years is a long time for problems to arise in New Vegas and for House’s plans to falter. Even still, House always wins.
I’m really curious where season 2 would lead. Great video. I personally believe Yes Man is canon, I think it’s likely that Vegas has crumbled due to a lack of government. I find it unlikely that Courier Six would make an appearance, but if Kyle Maclachlan is trying to find House, I think he will be disappointed. If The Ghoul doesn’t have a romance with Beatrix Russell… I will be disappointed.
The reckage could be the remains of the second battle for hoover dam? My theory is during the battle reserve forces at mcarren attempted to siege the strip while the main force held the dam against legion. Its just the kinda play hanlon would initiate in my opinion.
I believe House and NCR are canon endings. The New Vegas the NCR always had dialogue about annexing by the following year, which led to an extremely violence confrontation between the two, which is why New Vegas looks the way it does at the end of the tv show
Seems like a variation of the house always wins ending is canon. It might just be the courier delivered the chip but didn't do any follow-up leading to this state of things.
The NCR turning to cold fusion is not proof they lost the Dam. The game makes it clear the NCR is expanding, and fast, part of the rrason it is spread so thinly, and it needs electrical power to do that. Even with the Dam in theur control and it operating at relative peak effency they still needed a lot more as seen from the Helios One questline. The game also makes it clear that the NCR is already in an internal power struggle and ripe with corruption that can lead to its downfall even if they second battle of hoover dam and won over house.
I finished NV many times. Chose House on every ending, but one, where I picked Yes-Man. And I felt like shit. So, just to make it better, right after the ending, I replayed it and chose House again. I went with who I felt was the best choice.
The Mr House ending was always canon. It just makes sense why the courier would choose to work for Mr House, he gets Victor to dig you out of your grave and saves your life by taking you to Dr Mitchell, the Courier would nautrally want to complete his contract by delivering the platinum chip to its recipient "Mr House", he gives you infomation on how to deal with Benny at the tops and get your revenge, he also promises the courier advanced technology that would prolong his lifespan, also Mr House is grooming the courier to be his second in command and eventual sucessor. *The House Always Wins*
Courier Probably Helped the NCR strengthen up, before meeting house, That's what I did anyways I pushed Back Caesar's Legion boosted up moral and killed Caesar. and destroyed the Securatrons. Let Imagine we did all that to give the NCR a boost, and at the end we side with House. Not hard to come to the conclusion the NCR didn't like that and fought hard against the little Upgraded Securatrons that where left.
The conclusion I can come up with considering games lore and the show, is that house did indeed won, and NCR was too weakened by the ongoing war with the legion and the bombing of shady sands to try and wage war against his upgraded securitrons
I thought this was already confirmed by the community. From a narrative perspective the courier is driven by caps and Mr. House will ultimately provide the greatest incentive for the courier in the long run. There’s too many positives for the courier not to canonically side with Mr. House.
Imagine the next fallout game starting the character creation part of the game with picking a race like: human, ghoul, super mutant, cyborg, or a straight up robot. And them all having subclasses, like for a super mutant it would be like the east coast FEV with dumber, but stronger mutants that is going to struggle with any social or intellectual check, but destroy every strength check, and a west coast FEV that is more balanced but still quite strong, and nightkin that is all strength and stealth, like a real terror that sneaks up on people and snaps necks. The ghouls can be subclassed as glowing ones or the balanced normal ones or more unique prewar ghouls. Humans can be subclassed with backgrounds, like were they a vault dweller, a caravan guard, a soldier with the NCR or BoS? The other races they can figure out more of.
1:04 Of course they would. Even with the Dam it is established that the NCR's resources are limited. Any new opportunities to gain more energy would be invaluable. 1:42 Not in the slightest. House wants control of New Vegas and to be certain that his power is secure, but he does *not* want to control the whole Mojave. That's what the NCR is for. 2:25 That is simply untrue. House's ending is easily the most flexible outside of Yes Man, but it is clearly established that House *wants* the NCR to survive as a proper state. He clearly says that the NCR citizens are the customers that are vital to New Vegas, his only issue is with the government taking control of Vegas. 4:25 Cold fusion wouldn't have necessarily stopped the Great War. It would have simply gave the US a bigger advantage in the war. There is a big difference between those things. 5:30 No it doesn't. It in fact is the opposite of what House wanted. House's plan was for New Vegas to be his own personal fiefdom/city state from which he could gain enough capital to create advancement. As he very explicitly said in the campaign, he did not want the NCR to struggle and in fact hoped that they would continue to function stably so that he could get money from the NCR. The fact that the NCR and House seem to have come to blows in your theory would more suggest that House's plans have completely fallen through, or at least they end up failing after some success. This is because many members of the NCR want to have House assassinated and to take control of New Vegas directly, which would be the main logical precedent for a House-NCR war. The presence of the Brotherhood in such large force coming all the way from the Eastern seaboard makes this seem even more likely, as House's biggest enemy is implied to be the Brotherhood (considering that he orders the player to completely exterminate them from the Mojave and criticises them the most harshly) and it is unlikely that he would have wanted the whole Brotherhood to arrive. An alternate but much less likely theory would be that the Brotherhood defeated both House and the NCR at Vegas, but it still makes far more sense than a House victory leaving Vegas in ruins.
House himself said that he had that chip delived to him from far away. So what is there to say that he doesnt have contacts on the east coast at the time of fallout 3 or earlier
@@beastofcornwoodwe know they are alive at the time of new vegas. He said the chip was only rediscovered in Sunnyvale just before you were tasked with transporting it and ambushed. And we also know that his securitrons barely work at goodsprings, so it's unlikely that he sent Victor rolling across California to meet with prospectors and make business deals. It all points to house having contacts with non robotic entities of status in the NCR territory. People like hank, who would have been outside the vault meeting his wife about the time the platinum chip was found.
Fallout 76 has ties to Mr.House as he has gold reserves in Appalachia so t He most likely had it stashed in either a similar location nearby or in Appalachia itself. Either way 76 confirms he does indeed have contact that far out
5:20 *ignores* Maximus' entire unit of West Coast BoS. They make it VERY clear that his faction is meeting the ECBoS for the first time when the airship shows up.
I honestly figured it would be because he's powerful as hell and I believe the ncr and legion would end destroying each other to the point house could push them out of nevada Like, I hope the NCR isn't gone like they make it seem in the tv show but I think it would make sense atleast And I'm a house simp and also writing this at lunch so brain not worky but house is better thank you
I wonder if the scattering of The NCR following the bombing of Shady Sands is the reason New Vegas is in its current state. House did said that the NCR was "a society of customers". Without them, I'm guessing things fell apart.
My head canon: Ulysses and the Burned Man teamed up with the Courier, wasted Mr. House, and are currently chilling in Vault City sipping on ice-cold Sarsaparilla, in which they have thousands of bottles.
the biggest question, to me, it's what happend of courier 6. he/her are the one that can tip the balance of this war. and they know how to deal with the brotherhood in case house (as it probably happened) won at hoower damm. but what's of them? i want to know.
Adding the semi-canon-ness of Fallout TV, House won not just in his thinking, but literally understanding that the Enclave wants to either enslave him or least punishable, kill him. He literally exists in a world similar to our own with the phrase: money IS power. So, he could have bought/bribed knowledge on what the Enclave were assuming and creating. He's not above lying even to himself either. He still sees rest of mankind as tribals and knows how to manipulate them.
How far removed is the shows current day from new Vega's timeline? Few years, decades or a century? Because house had a very clear rotation of plans, new Vegas was only the start and the thing that would supply the liquidity to pursue the actual goal, reignition of the high technology sectors and ultimately colonization of other planets.
Yeah I just wonder what house would of done with himself I mean look at him when you open his chamber, not that he didn't have them plans cause he does but how can he really implement them besides somehow becoming conscious in a AI form?
The only unkillable character in the main story is Yes Man. No matter what ending, if he goes away to become “more assertive” he could come back and wipe the slate clean.
It's hard to watch the series and come to another conclusion to a House ending being canon - I just could never bring myself to it in game. It seems unlikely. Yes - no matter what ending you go with New Vegas you go to - you end up drinking kool-aid for someone that will ultimately destroy the region, but trusting an autocrat with an army of robots to make good choices seems somewhat unlikely when there are few examples from House's history to garner an air of trustworthiness.
Kind of tragic actually, I always side with the NCR in New Vegas. Personally I thought the House ending was kind of boring and cliche'. That and I never liked dealing a crippling blow to the Mojave Chapter of the BoS, I always took the diplomatic route. Shame.😢
I think Bethesda shot its own timeline to pieces. Shady Sands was wiped out in 2277 (same year Fallout 3 takes place), but New Vegas is a few years later, in 2281. Makes no damn sense
@@MrMadre Yes. And that explains that bait log-list in ep5 end credits where last log is november 2276, but if check back 150yrs, there are multiple large (2,20,10,30yrs) skips between logs anyway, rendering importance of the last log to ZERO. Also explains why Moldaver talk to Lucy in the end, does not add up with overall, nor with Moldaver's own actions, i.e. she lied at least half of what she said. Etc, etc.
I like to think Yes man is cannon, and the courier went and released Mr house from his pod, but didn’t kill him and now he’s just hanging outside the pod a crippling old man 😂
Honestly, I could totally see the NCR blaming Vegas for Shady Sands being nuked. They're cavemen compared to Vegas, I can totally see them invading the city but failing to get into the Lucky 38.
I think fans are scared of accepting ending canons but without the original vault Dweller, master is alive, without chosen one, enclave are dominant, without lone wanderer the waters of DC aren't pure, so without courier or sole survivor the fans are in disagreement when there historically were canon endings. I think it's safe to assume brotherhood won in Boston, and the Mr house ending ends up happening because NCR is not dominant in the area of vault 31. It has pockets of supporters and the NCR can likely afford this small expansion. Mr house may have even made a deal with moldaver where her recovery of cold fusion actually meant house had to basically win, even if moldaver knew it was a bad deal for NCR. She's proven she doesn't care about bad deals because it was about sending messages
I think that yes Mr. House won. But it could be Yes man same difference. The Events of Dust happen. And now the Tunelers invade as the mist from Sierra Madre looms over New Vegas. Long story short. Fallout Dust is canon
mr house has to be cannon, all the fallout heros are alone so is mr house, so why cant an NPC have the same armour as the heros? sure war, war never changes, but man do, though the roads they work, imagine mr house changeing thoguh the path he roams, sure he was a beep beep in fnz but imagine how he could chang efor the better, war never changed but the BOS still lives liek wtf, give MR HOUSE the gift to rise from the ashes to start a new. P.S Mr house resembles us the player SOOO MUCH
I always choose Mr. House. Great leaders die and Democracy always falls into Decadence and corruption. We're living though it now. Am immortal genius with a robot army is something humanity hasn't tried yet.
No the reality is this. Todd hates new Vegas and it was stupid for him to make the show start off in California and destroying most of the lore in the process. I do believe the show is probably going to start sucking because of this. They could have so much storyline with the NCR and the Legion, but no. We are going to get another Brotherhood of Steel vs Enclave because Todd has a thing for the brotherhood of steel.
Sorry for being so late! Still need to check your previous video (Been in recovery after surgery) This one is awesome again! Keeping pushing. You will get those views and following with such awesome content 💪
The canon ending is that bethesda obviously dosesnt consider the game canon, when they cant even establish where shady sands actually is and when the "fall of shady sands" is.
@@beastofcornwood i literally did a rerun of new Vegas with what I thought the cannon ending for the TV show was going to be, I think having a 250 year old + non ghoul man would be an amazing visual, would be a great B story with Hank Maclean in the second season with the A story being Maximus being a new high ranking member of the brotherhood, I think Hank will have a story somewhere along the lines of he is going to go to Mr. House for help and then that develops into a double cross where he trys to take over the securitrons and kill/disable Mr house, also I bet Danny Trejo plays live action Raul
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The idea that House is the canon ending of New Vegas is honestly poetic.
Mr. House, the immortal autocrat of a dead autocracy.
Truly beautifully put 👤🎩
Dead autocracy that will rise into something new and good. In Many centuries....but still
@@alexref6074 did u even watch the fallout show
@@specialgaming160 That the thing I don't consider the show canon
imagine elon musk telling whats good for you
_The House always wins._
It sure does 😁
Only clue i needed.
I came here just to say this :D
I'll do one better unlike other fall out characters the courier is not a blank slate fresh out of a vault, he's a tough experienced wastelander that had the determination and fortitude to take a bullet to the head claw his way out of shallow grave and get to help against all odds, his driving motivation 1. Kill Benny and 2. deliver that dang platinum chip like he was originally going to do at the beginning of the game.
@@vashstampede5774 _its MY Invention. MY Property. Now be a good Courier and deliver it!_
I really hope they'll make House sort of anti hero and won't give clear "bad guys" "good guys" stuff, the beautifulness of west coast that there were no saints. I don't wanna see "muhahahaha I'm evil corporat that makes moni and cares about no one but myself!" After all those things, all those plans he shared with courier in Vegas. House might be arrogant but he is not interested in personal gain, he actually has a plans for future of humanity
I 100% agree, I like it when they make me use my head and really think about things and who is really bad or good, I'm hopeful though!
I don't think personal gain is that separate from the future of humanity for him. For all the differences, direct personal, private ownership of such resources and population are not a new idea, they have a lot in common with absolute monarchs of all. He did a thousand times more than most monarchs to earn it, but that's how he wields that power.
I don't think you guys realize what the great game is lol.
From the beginning you know the end. Mr. House is the only reason the courier survived Benny via Victor. It begins with Mr. House it ends with Mr. House. Just from Victor saving the courier you can tell the Mr. House ending must be cannon if you’re familiar with storytelling techniques.
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS AND PROPLE CALL ME CRAZY!!
its obvious, the man saved your life, i highly doubt the courier would just kill him after everything he has done
Honestly looking back it just even felt like the way the game is supposed to end.
Not all stories have to be told the same. This is really dumb endibg. Really hope it isn't.
For me, what made me realize MR House ending is cannon was: when you kill him you lose Karma in the game. Notice you don’t lose Karma when Killing General Oliver, or Lanius, or Caesar. Normally you lose Karma when you kill someone who is (mostly) a good person. I always wondered why killing a narcissistic aristocratic would made me lose Karma
@@OriginsStaffs because that "narcissistic aristocrat" doesn't force others to act a certain way, nor does he run a fake democracy and lie to everyone. Instead, his people are pretty much free, so long as they threaten him.
so the best ending is the canon ending. Good
Yes, I think it is!
House is probably the second worst ending next to NCR. Only cares about Vegas (not even the Mojave let alone the world itself beyond the Strip's walls, just look at Freeside FFS) because he's using it as a means to generate funding and a workforce and eventually educated people so he can completely abandon the Earth and colonize space.
As a megalomaniac dictator, Vault 21 disagreed with his vision for the Strip and he exiled most of them and filled the vault with concrete. What do you think he will do when one of his colonies similarly disagrees with him or seeks independence, in the vacuum of space where nobody will likely be able to stop him ever again? House is a terrible, terrible choice, his only saving grace is that he isn't the NCR. Once he abandons the world he will just leave the Mojave to be fought over yet again by the NCR and Legion, or whoever it may be by that point. His ending accomplishes nothing besides leaving a very morally questionable if not outright bad man the keys to unlimited power.
The only one downside of that ending is you don’t get to throw the general off the dam
Thats if you believe him... on closer inspection it's questionable however.
L take
Mr. House is the embodiment of *transcendence.* He was the rigger of the game. He was the one who turned all the lights on and lured the NCR and the Legion to the Dam and to New Vegas in the first place. Put out all the stops, sprang into action as soon as he new it was time. If you look at some of his terminal entries and some of his future plans, the man was 1,000 steps ahead. Re-establish high-tech sector within 50 years, human colonies sent off-world to other habitable systems within 100. He isn't just looking at just the dam, rebuilding the nation, or even re-establishing humanity; he's looking to transcend. In all possible ways. That is the idea of his character. So yes The House Always Wins
Exactly, one of my favorite characters in all the games lol.
Without the Courier giving the Chip to House, he was screwed. If Benny had a decent plan to get to the Bunker, he would be King of the Wasteland.
@@richardarriaga6271 "Who won the lottery?? I Did!"
I always believed house to be the best ending to vegas because he's the only person in the entire game who isn't completely winging it. He had a plan, long before anyone else started planning. He wasn't interested in ruling, he wanted to rebuild. House doesn't tell people how to live their life, doesn't declare things immoral or illegal, he just makes sure people aren't killing eachother, and that the businesses run smooth. He had a plan to restore humanity to not just a surviving state, but a thriving state; And looking at vegas, not only does he have the ability to do it, he's already done it once before. Yes, freeside is a slum where anyone not rich enough to feed house's coffers get tossed aside, but that's only because he hasn't had the resources to expand vegas and open it up. I think if anyone's going to bring a truly prosperous independent vegas, it's not courier and yes man, it's house, with the courier at his side to keep him in check, someone who house already posed the idea of gifting immortality to.
I feel like the show suggests that house is the successful one anyway because why would they cast a whole cameo for one scene unless he was to return - seems a little bit hmm
@@CarCoolant Very true, I wanna know where the Legion fits into all this.
I thought it was just fan service
they cast Sinclair too and I doubt we’ll see him again
@@beastofcornwood Looks like the legion merged with the brotherhood to me
@@beastofcornwoodprobably in a civil war
Has everyone just forgot about the tunnelers? Why? Because it's dlc content? Ulysses warned that within a decade they would become a threat to The Mojave too. Looks like it.
Tunnel snakes > tunnelers
@@justinland1208 Tunnel Snakes rule!
I think the fact that they were so unreasonably powerful in the gameplay might be clouding your judgement here. The Mojave already has plenty of other beasts, and the Tunnelers could probably only harm humans about as much as they harm the red half-ghouls in the Divide.
Besides, the Mojave is huge.
@danielbob2628 canonically, they pack hunt deathclaws to great success. There's a lot of them too.
What about father elijah ending?
Courier ending makes more sense to me. House ends on relatively good terms with the NCR--as he had hoped. Meanwhile the Courier--even if you resist the urge to kill Oliver or throw him off the dam--ends really poorly with the general being clear that the NCR will be back and they WILL be going to war...which, as we can see, is what happens at the end with a battlefield of NCR vertibirds and securitrons.
I have a hard time seeing the courier ending being what they go with. Are they gonna keep referring to the ruler of New Vegas as "the courier"? Feels to me like going down that route means they have to either canonize too many details about the courier or really tiptoe around talking about a core piece of New Vegas history
@@Holkens Everything's dead, so they really don't have to do much. Say he died or decided to piss off somewhere else.
@@Holkens he could be like a legendary figure like the chosen one
Honestly it looked more like something happened not between the NCR and House but from an exterior threat that pushed them out, which was very possibly the BoS given the state of the West Coast's relation with the NCR and that the Courier likely blew up the BoS bunker. Only reason why I think that the NCR and House aligned for a moment was because it looked like there was a lot more than the NCR Vertibird and the Securitrons, e.g. deathclaws and other stuff that hints at something else.
That being said, I definitely think the NCR ending is not canon, because if it was, the NCR would be a lot more organized whereas in the show it is clear that as the NCR soldiers in the Mojave stated during the events of NV, the NCR Army is spread way too thin, and they wouldn't have had the resources they needed to launch an effective retake of the Shady Sands area. It is also likely that Caesar failed in his attempt to assassinate Kimball given that Kimball was a pariah and was driving the NCR into the ground, and should have Kimball died he would've become a Martyr in which the NCR would actually be more invigorated to fight.
There is a lot to unpack though, but the Courier/House endings make the most logical sense because frankly the Courier siding with the NCR is less likely than siding with House.
@@SobaOfPulaski If another faction was involved, surely we'd see them among the corpse piles--legion soldiers, brotherhood knights, etc.
It looks like the battle was specifically between the Securitrons and the NCR, with maybe the occasional wildlife joining in.
The Securitrons could only be the Courier or House...but House simply doesn't make sense. He'd have no reason to go to war with the NCR and his relationship with them is fine at the end. Having House go to war with the NCR makes him look...insanely incompetent and stupid. Meanwhile the Courier is enemies with the NCR by the end.
I really wish they used New Vegas as a way to close off the west coast era of fallout but nope guess the TV show reopened that. I liked the fact that we debated over which ending was canon was fun for me.
Personally I like the west coast better than east in fallout, just me personally tho.
@@beastofcornwood I live in New England so that's why I want another east coast fallout game set in Connecticut and yeah West coast is way better from a story perspective.
I'm from midwest myself, what's your opinion on if they made one in Detroit or Dallas or somewhere inland?
@@beastofcornwood that would also be really cool! Maybe finally re-explore the idea of cars in the fallout universe in Detroit. Maybe they got the car factories working again somehow
Ohh man I'm seeing something like the Pitt but Detroit and automotive and machinery, would be awesome!
I believe once word got out that Shady Sands had fallen, the NCR in a desperate attempt tried to take New Vegas. This could've set off a chain reaction where all the factions fought for control once the NCR started attacking. Maybe they sabotaged Hoover Dam just to spite House and insure no one could have it.
If Yes Man is canon maybe Benny's plan worked in this series, but things fell apart after due the NCR attacked and/or Yes Man possibly going rogue.
In the end I think its safe to say that no matter what happened, Mr. House is alive, secured inside the Lucky 38 trying to rebuild New Vegas or as the sole soul of the Strip.
I don't know if the show will bring in Mr. House's special securitrons like Jane and Victor.
Very interesting perspective! What if it literally is just him and only him..
@@beastofcornwood I looked back at the ending of Lucy's dad approaching New Vegas, as he does a song starts to play, "We three" by the Ink Spots and as the shot switches to New Vegas this line plays: "My echo, my shadow, and me".
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So, to me that could be a stronger implication that Mr. House is the only living being in the city, everyone else is either dead or has fled to the outskirts outside the Strip as you can see campfire smoke rising from some of the small settlements.
What would be honestly great idea, is to have Lanius move east with rest of the Caesar Legion, keeping them as possible antagonists later down the line.
This is a very good idea as I want more legion myself.
Seeing as Mr. House is the only major character from the games to appear in the show (as far as we know), I thinks it’s safe to say he’s going to be a main character in season 2.
My theory is: I think the BoS is going to use cold fusion to power Liberty Prime, and at the end of the season it’s gonna be House’s army of Securitrons vs the BoS and Liberty Prime. It would be poetic to see House get undone by his own creation
I also think Ceasars Legion took over the Brotherhood from the inside.
I always win.
So tell me Mr. House, am I right in my prediction? Remember you predicted the great war years before it happened so I'm counting on you!
@@beastofcornwood yes.
Nah he died to a mailman
@@lazy_guy_2525 And you died to a small human child in a striped sweater.
@@lazy_guy_2525 do you have any grapes?
3:30 new Vegas being destroyed couldn’t mean anything because if you pay attention to the end credits of every episode it shows a destroyed version of the next episodes setting. Rewatch it.
Now I'm rewatching them.. if true I'm even more intrigued! Thank you for sharing this!
@@beastofcornwoodmaybe they did that on purpose so it keeps you guessing whether or not, smart on their end.
@duckwipes3365 Agreed, cant wait for season 2.
Yeah but for most of the credits we saw the results of the bombs falling. New Vegas' destruction seems very intentional and detailed with the vertibirds etc like they are hinting that something happened since we last saw it. They could've just shown a ruined Vegas like all the rest but choose to show the remains of a battle, and the snippet of Vegas that we see with Hank doesn't look that far off. Both look they've gone to hell and something happened but we don't know what.
An issue with this vid is that the NCR does not depend on Hoover Dam. The NCR existed long before they took over Hoover Dam and built their nation without it giving them power to start with. They only held the Dam for 7 years up to the point where New Vegas takes place. That is no where near enough time to make a whole nation depend on one power source go the level of collapse if they lose it.
This is also why its not President Kimble's #1 priority. He kept most of the NCR's forces in New Cali and fighting in Baja.
@@BruteDion true, but with Shady Sands decimated it also makes hoover dam that much more important and the Mojave in general to the NCR.
I think the NCR, BoS, Enclave, and Mr. House are going to be the big players by season 2 for many reason. First off, Moldaver still let Cold Fusion activate even though the brotherhood had already won by then. Chances are, this power reached Vault City, The Hub etc because we havent seen them yet. We know the NCR is still out there, they were just very weakend. Second the Enclave has been mantioned a few times and they seem to be doing fairly well in Cali. The BoS is pretty obvious as nothing really happened to them by the end of Season 1 and the Prydwen is there. Last (as mentioned in the video) is Mr House. He just seems like the most logical answer. That or Yes Man...
You just made me want season 2 even more 🤣
Most likely everyone lost. It means basically any of the endings could have happened. It’s been 15 years since the events of New Vegas. Caesar is definitely dead and the Legion is eating itself if it’s not already a fading memory. Shady Sands experienced some kind of “fall” before getting nuked. This would just leave house or the Courier. Statistically speaking, most of the New Vegas endings involve House dying and even if he did win the Dam he could have also just died at some point over the next 15 years. Same with the Courier. Basically, that 15 year gap will likely serve as an excuse to make Vegas post apocalyptic again.
I can see this being the ending if kimball died at hoover dam. It would explain his picture more so in the TV series shrine. As house says he would become a martyr if he dies, goodbye tourist economy hello crippling sanctions. With house taking control NCR would likely have a vendetta against him and look to uproot his authority by any chance they got. With the Legion on the retreat and slowly killing itself they could divert resources to work against house until tensions boiled over.
I never even thought about the implications with president kimball, so many good angles!
maybe he blew up
@@specialgaming160 maybe he was shot out of the sky
Honestly, I think they are going the Fallout Dust route, not fully, but they have the premise that the dust storm mixed with the cloud, the NCR attempted/succeeded in a hostile take-over of the strip, and neither side won. Oh and add a flood of deathclaws from the valley swarming the strip because of the fighting.
Explains the redness of the area, the desolation, and the lack of visible human life.
A likely outcome if not just mr house winning 😁
House won, but didn't go the way the clips showed. The NCR returned to a point that it destroyed New Vegas. His win ultimately lead him to ruin.
You could be right 😭
@@beastofcornwood and with that War never changes
@@James-rm7sr no I really doesn't.
No they wouldn't, their army reserves would be exhausted after the Hoover Dam battle. Plus with technological advancements, Mk. 2 securitrons and trade, the NCR wouldn't invade the Strip.
@@omlo9093 the NCR thought it would win on taking it back from Mr.House. We see the Legion is down, but the end of NV. The general of the NCR tells you they will be back. We can assume the returned tried to fight. They lost a town to getting it nuked. The failure at NV to fully win by taking it. That would likely cause a massive collapse of the NCR. The NCR by the time the show comes around is a shell of what it was prior to NV.
Honestly, the level of his personal vault's security is dumbass, plus he's eager to slaughter innocent groups like the Kings and the BoS instead of cooperating with them, but otherwise I like his ending. After all, no matter how many enemies the Courier makes along the way, House is the one with a huge bullseye on his forehead as the employer and curator of Courier's actions.
Very true 🤣 honestly after this video I had a thought to myself, What if the Legion actually won? We see no trace they lost or won like in the tv show they leave them completely out (for now)
Innocent haha. Perhaps in Fallout 3 BoS was noble, not anymore.
You call the Brotherhood an innocent group? Damn you definitely are out of your mind. The kings can be allied with Mr House if you make them attack the Ncr soldiers.
Wonder how fallout 5 brotherhood and enclave will look.
@@beastofcornwood nah Fallout 6 remaking Frank Horrigan bigger and stronger and fighting against Liberty Prime on a boxing match
What I think happened going by the show the courier side with ncr removed house no fatalitie when the republic collapsed he tried to run it him self but ultimately decided he need help. And took him back out
I really hope they either make it ambiguous to who won or do a sort of splitting universe thing where the different endings become different timelines. Part of the magic of new Vegas is shaping the world to be what you believe it should be, and making it so one faction canonically won would take away from that.
Very true, very true
I usually go with yes man for an independent New Vegas but the House ending definitely makes more sense as Canon. After all The House Always Wins 😁
Agreed, I wonder if them making the quest line called the house always wins Is also a nod by them to say which one is truly canon in the game.
I like it. It’s also funny that the courier made this judgement. Not a prewar or vault dweller
House ending always made the most sense for the Courier to go down, even though I mainly do the NCR route because fuck house for making me betray Veronica.
Very true, Veronica is one of the best.
If you get Veronica to leave the Bos and join the followers of the Apocalypse then technically you don’t need to betray her.
Very true very true 😁
I always go the peaceful route doing the ncr ending but brokering peace with the brotherhood. I like to be loyal to the brotherhood when I play so keeping them alive is a must but I also didn’t want to kill the ncr bcuz they kept the legion at bay (literally)
@@therookie5714they kill the followers though. They aint all that good
If they were to ever continue west coast from a creative writing standpoint I'd have to bet on House followed by NCR being made canon
NCR the Courier isn't required to become a critical part of power structure and could fade into background either as an agent or a wanderer but narrative focus for entire region would be kept entirely on the NCR being an old world America copy repeating many of the mistakes of the past with Vegas becoming another state within it.
Legion in the hands of a talented writer could be interesting to see dealing with the fallout of Caesar but a talented writer could make any of the endings interesting, Vegas becomes the new heart of their empire but collapse is established as the likely inevitable outcome and wouldn't need a win to see that unless leadership passed to Courier-Augustus which runs into same problem as the courier ending.
Courier ending means not only giving a canon outcome but either taking the blank slate to fill in your own character and throwing it out to give them a fixed personality, or avoid doing so by overthrowing or ignoring the region entirely.
With House we get Vegas remaining independent, becoming a buffer against eastward expansion, delays an 'east vs west' scenario and takes some of the focus in the region away from the NCR while keeping the courier out of focus either as an enforcer or a wanderer.
I really thought this was obv tbh. I haven't watched the vid yet but it always made sense to me.
1. The vast majority of people would not try and stand up to mr. house, especially after all they just went through. You can feel the intimidation factor just talking to him in the game, nvm if you were just some random courier before all this, actually there.
2. NCR is just too unstable to overthrow mr. house, especially once he has the platinum chip, and mr. house likes the business anyway.
3. Legion wasn't strong enough to take the dam from the NCR cause of a handful of snipers. Again, mr. house and the platinum chip slaps the ncr so he slaps the legion just as-well, especially since he's allied with the NCR to begin with.
4. Benny is a fucking tool and his story ends in death every which way so he's not gunna do it.
5. Wildcards like the brotherhood and the khans don't even hold a candle to mr. house.
Tbh, i personally felt like the game was over the first time I played it and killed benny cause I just had kinda concluded the game in my head like this, that + the walls on the strip made it feel kind of underwhelming to get there too in general.
I've sunk like 1000+ hrs into the game now but it wasn't until I picked it up for the second time, after getting bored of f04, that I really bit into the story cause I legit thought that killing benny was the whole main quest minus some big battle after I side with a faction, cause I just didn't care to help any faction the first time I played. But that's kind of why after playing all of it now that the canon ending just seems like "courier goes on his day, mr. house owns wasteland." which is very funny in the grand scheme of all you can affect as the courier lol.
A good writer would let House win, a bad writer would let Cesars Legion win. House has a lot of potential and frankly Vegas is his property. Was it not for him then there would be no Vegas.
You make a very good point, I would agree it is his property.
What if the battle of Hoover dam was just a beginning to the next bigger thing in new Vegas? Like it didnt solve anything like how the first battle was a stalemate even though it wasnt a stalemate in new Vegas's ending, what if it's one of those.
"Won the battle but not the war" situations.
Awe. True to Caesar.
how they could introduce courier
1. taking power from house as a never full shown background entity
2. a few background mentions via mr new vegas (no word on the immortal mailman who was last sighted near big mt) several years ago
3. never speaks snipes a bunch of deathclaws with his .50 who jump the gang
they might get away with most fans if they had him as a so battle scared you could not even make out a face lol
Could do a Darth Vader deal where he has a helmet that he wont take off but then it kinda rips that one off, but I never considered them bringing the courier into the tv show
@@beastofcornwood fair enough in that case it still would be cool just as a callout something some fans might miss
In TV series, NV was nuked to remove which faction won. Plus i believe Todd Howard is bitter about the success of FNV since its deemed as one of the best games produced, especially of all of the FO games.
In the end no faction really won in the TV series as Vault Tec nuked NV, just like the did for shady sands. Like the enclave, Vault tec wants to kill off everyone and make the world in their own image (ie play god). That's what was stated in the TV series.
Mr House being the canon ending makes sense because he was gonna rebuild Vegas destroy Caesar’s legion the ncr and he was thinking about going to space he upgraded the securitons so he’s pretty frickin powerful
He is one smart fella for sure. Excited to see where the show goes and if the Legion makes an appearance 😮
I thought About the Legion as well, Maybe I will elaborate in future what if the Legion won because I see an argument for that as well, we see NCR and Securitron destroyed but no sign of the Legion what so ever 🧐
@@beastofcornwoodMakes sense, tho if they wanted to show a legion win being canon there would definitely be crosses and legion banners lining the streets since that’s kinda their thing, wherever the legion takes over there is always crosses with their enemies nailed on. (Nipton, forgot the name but the town from Camp Forlorn hope’s quest, and the fort itself). Tho I believe the NCR attempted an attack on Vegas because if they wanted to do so they 100% had the forces to do so without the legion around and like you said Hoover Dam is extremely important to the NCR.
Something that would be different and unique that I highly doubt they'd do.
Have the Legion ending be canon. And I say that as someone who doesn't even like them. BUT from a storytelling point of view,it'd give a dark,unexpected fate for the mojave. Finding out the courier was an absolute psycopath who helped caesar would be interesting. It'd get rid of the whole every canon protagonist is a good guy trope that bethesda is obsessed with. But moreover,it'd give a good antagonist and a common enemy. Imagine lucy seeing just how evil,I mean EVIL the legion could be and convincing maximus to convince the BOS to team up with the NCR and other factions to take over vegas back again from the legion. I also do question why new vegas looks like it's very dead. I mean,it should be bright,vibrant and expanding and only grown bigger since we last saw it,does make me question what really is going on there.
Just my 2 cents
On one hand I hope this is true for the shows sake, but I also kinda hope it follows the lonesome road canon because it’s kind of sus that Hank walked over a deathclaw skull (a fallout 4 deathclaw skull at that) so my first thought was that tunnelers made it to New Vegas like Ulysses said they would and deathclaws aren’t the apex predator anymore.
Would be very interesting if it follows that arc! 😁
House has always been the canon ending, and the best possible ending in my years of playing FNV. Great video.
Idk about all of you but the second they said house would be in Season 2 I put 2 and 2 together, Because (at least to my recollection) all the other endings involve killing Mr. House. Definitely wouldn't be yes man, Legion, or NCR so it left only one answer. I'm more interested on whether or not the followers of the apocalypse good ending arc is cannon.
Same here with house, question is where is new Vegas now?
“My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
if YES MAN end is the canonical one, it is possible that mr. House had a plan in case he died, Yes Man said he would have to change his Personality and it would take a while, so Mr. House could have copied his memory into a robot
Very true, another AI in his image.
Years ago I took a deep dive into who the better faction was for New Vegas’ future and it all came down to the fact that Mr. House is the most stable ending but not without its sacrifices. You have to wiped out the BOS in the Mojave which might be a deal breaker for lovers of that faction. The NCR is spread too thin and full of corruption. The Legion is self-explanatory. Lastly, Yes Man is outright anarchy which is not a hopeful future. The show all but confirms that NCR and Legion are definitely not the canonical endings. Which leaves House and Yes Man. Judging by the connections to Hank MacClean and Mr. House pre-war in the show, House is alive and well but something is probably going on in New Vegas after all this time. 15 years is a long time for problems to arise in New Vegas and for House’s plans to falter. Even still, House always wins.
I’m really curious where season 2 would lead. Great video. I personally believe Yes Man is canon, I think it’s likely that Vegas has crumbled due to a lack of government.
I find it unlikely that Courier Six would make an appearance, but if Kyle Maclachlan is trying to find House, I think he will be disappointed.
If The Ghoul doesn’t have a romance with Beatrix Russell… I will be disappointed.
Thank you! And I am also currious where they go with season 2, and Yes Man would be wild lol
The reckage could be the remains of the second battle for hoover dam? My theory is during the battle reserve forces at mcarren attempted to siege the strip while the main force held the dam against legion. Its just the kinda play hanlon would initiate in my opinion.
I believe House and NCR are canon endings. The New Vegas the NCR always had dialogue about annexing by the following year, which led to an extremely violence confrontation between the two, which is why New Vegas looks the way it does at the end of the tv show
You make a good point, probably the most likely answer!
it follows considering he saved the courier and it's the best option plot and lore wise, as much as i love the legion
Ave!
Seems like a variation of the house always wins ending is canon. It might just be the courier delivered the chip but didn't do any follow-up leading to this state of things.
The true... "victor?"
FANCY SEEIN YOU HERE!
The NCR turning to cold fusion is not proof they lost the Dam. The game makes it clear the NCR is expanding, and fast, part of the rrason it is spread so thinly, and it needs electrical power to do that. Even with the Dam in theur control and it operating at relative peak effency they still needed a lot more as seen from the Helios One questline.
The game also makes it clear that the NCR is already in an internal power struggle and ripe with corruption that can lead to its downfall even if they second battle of hoover dam and won over house.
I finished NV many times. Chose House on every ending, but one, where I picked Yes-Man. And I felt like shit. So, just to make it better, right after the ending, I replayed it and chose House again. I went with who I felt was the best choice.
That sounds like me lol I have done the others a few but it's either yes man or house for me.
What if it's the wildcard ending? Everything in shambles, most versions of wildcard tend to be a bit Grim
The Mr House ending was always canon. It just makes sense why the courier would choose to work for Mr House, he gets Victor to dig you out of your grave and saves your life by taking you to Dr Mitchell, the Courier would nautrally want to complete his contract by delivering the platinum chip to its recipient "Mr House", he gives you infomation on how to deal with Benny at the tops and get your revenge, he also promises the courier advanced technology that would prolong his lifespan, also Mr House is grooming the courier to be his second in command and eventual sucessor.
*The House Always Wins*
If house won the the vegas Strip would not look like it does in the credits of the show. he a giant robot army with the upgrades
Not necessarily....the ending on fnv does say there were riots after the events of hoover dam...perhaps it's from that and they're rebuilding?
The enclave is also making a comeback
I kinda like it honestly even tho most dont.
Courier Probably Helped the NCR strengthen up, before meeting house, That's what I did anyways I pushed Back Caesar's Legion boosted up moral and killed Caesar. and destroyed the Securatrons. Let Imagine we did all that to give the NCR a boost, and at the end we side with House. Not hard to come to the conclusion the NCR didn't like that and fought hard against the little Upgraded Securatrons that where left.
The conclusion I can come up with considering games lore and the show, is that house did indeed won, and NCR was too weakened by the ongoing war with the legion and the bombing of shady sands to try and wage war against his upgraded securitrons
That's the same conclusion I'm going with!
I thought this was already confirmed by the community. From a narrative perspective the courier is driven by caps and Mr. House will ultimately provide the greatest incentive for the courier in the long run. There’s too many positives for the courier not to canonically side with Mr. House.
Imagine the next fallout game starting the character creation part of the game with picking a race like: human, ghoul, super mutant, cyborg, or a straight up robot. And them all having subclasses, like for a super mutant it would be like the east coast FEV with dumber, but stronger mutants that is going to struggle with any social or intellectual check, but destroy every strength check, and a west coast FEV that is more balanced but still quite strong, and nightkin that is all strength and stealth, like a real terror that sneaks up on people and snaps necks. The ghouls can be subclassed as glowing ones or the balanced normal ones or more unique prewar ghouls. Humans can be subclassed with backgrounds, like were they a vault dweller, a caravan guard, a soldier with the NCR or BoS? The other races they can figure out more of.
That would be wild lol but I mean elder scrolls has multiple player races to choose from.
I feel like alot of people would constantly choose robots lmfao
1:04 Of course they would. Even with the Dam it is established that the NCR's resources are limited. Any new opportunities to gain more energy would be invaluable.
1:42 Not in the slightest. House wants control of New Vegas and to be certain that his power is secure, but he does *not* want to control the whole Mojave. That's what the NCR is for.
2:25 That is simply untrue. House's ending is easily the most flexible outside of Yes Man, but it is clearly established that House *wants* the NCR to survive as a proper state. He clearly says that the NCR citizens are the customers that are vital to New Vegas, his only issue is with the government taking control of Vegas.
4:25 Cold fusion wouldn't have necessarily stopped the Great War. It would have simply gave the US a bigger advantage in the war. There is a big difference between those things.
5:30 No it doesn't. It in fact is the opposite of what House wanted. House's plan was for New Vegas to be his own personal fiefdom/city state from which he could gain enough capital to create advancement. As he very explicitly said in the campaign, he did not want the NCR to struggle and in fact hoped that they would continue to function stably so that he could get money from the NCR.
The fact that the NCR and House seem to have come to blows in your theory would more suggest that House's plans have completely fallen through, or at least they end up failing after some success. This is because many members of the NCR want to have House assassinated and to take control of New Vegas directly, which would be the main logical precedent for a House-NCR war. The presence of the Brotherhood in such large force coming all the way from the Eastern seaboard makes this seem even more likely, as House's biggest enemy is implied to be the Brotherhood (considering that he orders the player to completely exterminate them from the Mojave and criticises them the most harshly) and it is unlikely that he would have wanted the whole Brotherhood to arrive.
An alternate but much less likely theory would be that the Brotherhood defeated both House and the NCR at Vegas, but it still makes far more sense than a House victory leaving Vegas in ruins.
Don’t forget that season 1 even had a Mr house cameo. Totally feels like they are setting by him up to be in season 2
Exactly, I cant wait for season 2!
I doubt it, I’m surprised new Vegas got brought up at all tbh, Bethesda seems to have a strange vendetta against it
House himself said that he had that chip delived to him from far away. So what is there to say that he doesnt have contacts on the east coast at the time of fallout 3 or earlier
He possibly does if there still alive, if.
@@beastofcornwoodwe know they are alive at the time of new vegas. He said the chip was only rediscovered in Sunnyvale just before you were tasked with transporting it and ambushed. And we also know that his securitrons barely work at goodsprings, so it's unlikely that he sent Victor rolling across California to meet with prospectors and make business deals. It all points to house having contacts with non robotic entities of status in the NCR territory. People like hank, who would have been outside the vault meeting his wife about the time the platinum chip was found.
Fallout 76 has ties to Mr.House as he has gold reserves in Appalachia so t
He most likely had it stashed in either a similar location nearby or in Appalachia itself. Either way 76 confirms he does indeed have contact that far out
@@mrplayfulshade he could have stored it there pre war
5:20 *ignores* Maximus' entire unit of West Coast BoS.
They make it VERY clear that his faction is meeting the ECBoS for the first time when the airship shows up.
Words can not describe now sad I was when I slowly then suddenly realized NCR was gone
I honestly figured it would be because he's powerful as hell and I believe the ncr and legion would end destroying each other to the point house could push them out of nevada
Like, I hope the NCR isn't gone like they make it seem in the tv show but I think it would make sense atleast
And I'm a house simp and also writing this at lunch so brain not worky but house is better thank you
I’d really like to see House somehow get a hold of a synth body in season 2
Now there is a curveball, give bud askins one too while we're at it 🤣
House was always the best choice for a better future.
I wonder if the scattering of The NCR following the bombing of Shady Sands is the reason New Vegas is in its current state. House did said that the NCR was "a society of customers". Without them, I'm guessing things fell apart.
My head canon: Ulysses and the Burned Man teamed up with the Courier, wasted Mr. House, and are currently chilling in Vault City sipping on ice-cold Sarsaparilla, in which they have thousands of bottles.
the biggest question, to me, it's what happend of courier 6. he/her are the one that can tip the balance of this war. and they know how to deal with the brotherhood in case house (as it probably happened) won at hoower damm. but what's of them? i want to know.
I'm not sure we will truly know about the courier but I totally agree!
I think who wins is irrelevant because the strip gets overrun by the Tunnelers.
I think they went to the stars like he said.
Because the courier finally got his memories back, and he remember his his name is hank MacLean, and that’s why he help Mr. house
🤣 I will be laughing so hard if somehow you are right 🤣
The Mike Tyson build is wild
Adding the semi-canon-ness of Fallout TV, House won not just in his thinking, but literally understanding that the Enclave wants to either enslave him or least punishable, kill him. He literally exists in a world similar to our own with the phrase: money IS power. So, he could have bought/bribed knowledge on what the Enclave were assuming and creating. He's not above lying even to himself either. He still sees rest of mankind as tribals and knows how to manipulate them.
Personally I always felt the house ending, or ncr ending would be treated as canon.
I agree that's what I think too.
Honestly played this game over and over like everyone else and never thought about what the canon ending was
I never did either until a few years ago, I always did independent and a few mr house, like I played it again over and over just same ending lol
How far removed is the shows current day from new Vega's timeline?
Few years, decades or a century?
Because house had a very clear rotation of plans, new Vegas was only the start and the thing that would supply the liquidity to pursue the actual goal, reignition of the high technology sectors and ultimately colonization of other planets.
Yeah I just wonder what house would of done with himself I mean look at him when you open his chamber, not that he didn't have them plans cause he does but how can he really implement them besides somehow becoming conscious in a AI form?
I’m so glad Mr. House won. He was my favorite ending
The only unkillable character in the main story is Yes Man. No matter what ending, if he goes away to become “more assertive” he could come back and wipe the slate clean.
I think he was unkillable mainly to ensure there was a way to finish the main quest not for lore purposes could be wrong tho.
Mr. House ending is the only correct possible ending because he's too good of a character to kill off, all others don't have a living House.
It's hard to watch the series and come to another conclusion to a House ending being canon - I just could never bring myself to it in game. It seems unlikely. Yes - no matter what ending you go with New Vegas you go to - you end up drinking kool-aid for someone that will ultimately destroy the region, but trusting an autocrat with an army of robots to make good choices seems somewhat unlikely when there are few examples from House's history to garner an air of trustworthiness.
You make very good points, I appreciated you sharing that perspective! Hope you found the video entertaining!
Without changing your quest chain you wind up with Mr Hose
Kind of tragic actually, I always side with the NCR in New Vegas. Personally I thought the House ending was kind of boring and cliche'. That and I never liked dealing a crippling blow to the Mojave Chapter of the BoS, I always took the diplomatic route. Shame.😢
I think Bethesda shot its own timeline to pieces. Shady Sands was wiped out in 2277 (same year Fallout 3 takes place), but New Vegas is a few years later, in 2281. Makes no damn sense
Yeah I think they had some oversights
Shady wasn't wiped out 2277. Instead sometime in 2280s..
Todd said it was shortly after new vegas
@@MrMadre Yes. And that explains that bait log-list in ep5 end credits where last log is november 2276, but if check back 150yrs, there are multiple large (2,20,10,30yrs) skips between logs anyway, rendering importance of the last log to ZERO. Also explains why Moldaver talk to Lucy in the end, does not add up with overall, nor with Moldaver's own actions, i.e. she lied at least half of what she said. Etc, etc.
I really want to watch this video but I didn't finish new Vegas
😮 you need to go experience that man such a treat..
@@beastofcornwood God its such a good game. DLC'S are amazing too. best fallout game and im doubling down on that.
I'm Quadrupling down on that lol, others are good but nothing is NV..
@@beastofcornwood Daring today are we?
It's Vegas baby. "House always wins"
I read the beginning in Benny's voice for some reason 🤣
I like to think Yes man is cannon, and the courier went and released Mr house from his pod, but didn’t kill him and now he’s just hanging outside the pod a crippling old man 😂
Lmfao 🤣 he only had so long to live after being exposed to air
Love the video! Can’t wait to see more from you!!
Thank you! Its only going to get better from here! 😁 I appreciate you taking time out of your day to watch too!
Honestly, I could totally see the NCR blaming Vegas for Shady Sands being nuked. They're cavemen compared to Vegas, I can totally see them invading the city but failing to get into the Lucky 38.
I think fans are scared of accepting ending canons but without the original vault Dweller, master is alive, without chosen one, enclave are dominant, without lone wanderer the waters of DC aren't pure, so without courier or sole survivor the fans are in disagreement when there historically were canon endings. I think it's safe to assume brotherhood won in Boston, and the Mr house ending ends up happening because NCR is not dominant in the area of vault 31. It has pockets of supporters and the NCR can likely afford this small expansion. Mr house may have even made a deal with moldaver where her recovery of cold fusion actually meant house had to basically win, even if moldaver knew it was a bad deal for NCR. She's proven she doesn't care about bad deals because it was about sending messages
I think that yes Mr. House won. But it could be Yes man same difference.
The Events of Dust happen.
And now the Tunelers invade as the mist from Sierra Madre looms over New Vegas.
Long story short. Fallout Dust is canon
I seen someone else mention Fallout Dust as well lol
@@beastofcornwoodit's amazing
mr house has to be cannon, all the fallout heros are alone so is mr house, so why cant an NPC have the same armour as the heros? sure war, war never changes, but man do, though the roads they work, imagine mr house changeing thoguh the path he roams, sure he was a beep beep in fnz but imagine how he could chang efor the better, war never changed but the BOS still lives liek wtf, give MR HOUSE the gift to rise from the ashes to start a new. P.S Mr house resembles us the player SOOO MUCH
So you’re telling me that House won the battle, because the House always wins; and yet…war never changes.
The red cloud at the end credits looks a lot like the toxic cloud from the Sierra Madre.
It really does lmao
I always choose Mr. House. Great leaders die and Democracy always falls into Decadence and corruption. We're living though it now.
Am immortal genius with a robot army is something humanity hasn't tried yet.
Better start looking under fortifications..
No the reality is this. Todd hates new Vegas and it was stupid for him to make the show start off in California and destroying most of the lore in the process. I do believe the show is probably going to start sucking because of this. They could have so much storyline with the NCR and the Legion, but no. We are going to get another Brotherhood of Steel vs Enclave because Todd has a thing for the brotherhood of steel.
I just think he is so petty to hate on new Vegas but what should I expect I guess 🤷♂️
Just to be extra stupid they set the show in California and filmed it in New York
Boo hoo, quit your conspiracy theory crap 😂
Maybe the fiends attacked if the courier didn't help the NCR
I forgot about them lol
Sorry for being so late! Still need to check your previous video (Been in recovery after surgery) This one is awesome again! Keeping pushing. You will get those views and following with such awesome content 💪
@@FalloutTributeMusic Thank you! And I hope you are doing well friend keep in touch 💪
The canon ending is that bethesda obviously dosesnt consider the game canon, when they cant even establish where shady sands actually is and when the "fall of shady sands" is.
Hank Maclean is going to new Vegas to see the only other person alive from his time outside of vaults
It will be an interesting interaction, can you imagine like the tv shows visuals on mr houses monitor? Not just being a game but like real..
It will be an interesting interaction, can you imagine like the tv shows visuals on mr houses monitor? Not just being a game but like real..
@@beastofcornwood i literally did a rerun of new Vegas with what I thought the cannon ending for the TV show was going to be, I think having a 250 year old + non ghoul man would be an amazing visual, would be a great B story with Hank Maclean in the second season with the A story being Maximus being a new high ranking member of the brotherhood, I think Hank will have a story somewhere along the lines of he is going to go to Mr. House for help and then that develops into a double cross where he trys to take over the securitrons and kill/disable Mr house, also I bet Danny Trejo plays live action Raul
@@beastofcornwood I bet the brotherhood has some kind of tracker in the power armor hank took and that will be how they trace him to new Vegas