Greg Souders Seminar Session 1: Passing and Pinning (10th Planet South Bay)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The first of 4 sessions for a weekend seminar by coach Greg Souders at 10th Planet South Bay in San Diego. This session covers passing and pinning scenarios using CLA.
Could be monetizing this behind a paywall, but here we are watching for free for the greater good. I appreciate it as a coach. The more examples I get of this teaching style, the more comfortable I feel as a teacher breaking down positions and implementing CLA in my classes.
Agreed, as a former primary teacher it's so good to see someone validating the way I prefer to teach kids to the adult level. I'm starting to understand how we can break small parts into active practice
He’s passionate about this coaching style. Tradition is difficult to change. It’’s a ton of work to coach like this.
Timestamps for ease of study.
(If you haven't watched the video yet, try not to skip through it for the games, watch it in its entirety)
Pinning
00:00:52 Four central problems (Limb extension/retraction, rotation, basing)
00:02:03 Solving those four central problems and explanation of CLA (player, environment, tasks)
00:03:09 Game 1 - Starting at the end with hips covered, double unders. Covering hips + shoulders VS elbows to body
00:04:23 Game 1 live footage
00:05:19 Preparing students for novel problems. Benefits of live resistance.
00:06:20 Further explanation about the aforementioned central problems.
00:07:45 Game 2 - Covering hips and shoulders VS hands on hips and knees, seeking knees in front or reversal
00:08:47 Game 2 live footage
00:09:38 Some people are lost.
00:10:48 Game 3 - Staying chest to back. Preventing rotation without the use of hooks VS opponent's rotation
00:12:35 Game 3 live footage
00:14:01 Focusing on one thing at a time, you can't solve everything at once
00:16:18 Condition and effect. Discussion of priorities
00:18:48 Invariants regarding escaping when someone is behind you. Determining tasks.
00:19:31 Game 4 - Completing the conditions for pinning VS bottom player's guard replacement/standing/reversal
00:21:29 Game 4 live footage
00:22:36 Starting small recap. Increasing complexity by simplification.
Passing
00:23:48 Game 5 - Segmentation, attacking periphery, connection VS Bottom player's guard replacement/standing/reversal
00:26:07 Game 5 live footage
00:27:11 Game 6 - Segmentation from a distance. Seeking connection VS destabilization
00:28:13 Game 6 live footage
00:29:23 Start with an end goal in mind (context)
00:30:27 Game design through invariants
00:31:41 Game 7 - Denying opponent's connection. Segmentation of legs VS destabilization
00:33:12 Game 7 live footage
00:34:58 Game 8 - Putting it all together.
00:36:35 Game 8 live footage
When Greg releases his next video, I'm not going to make a timestamp list.
That way you can make your own and determine what you need to prioritize.
Instead, I'll just give you some concepts you can use to create your own notes.
Thank you sir.
Pin this man.
good dude alert!
Life changing weekend, I was already sold on the approach months before this seminar. Coach Greg has a passion you can hear and see.
Greg Souders is changing the game! And it's for the better.
agreed only way to go ..breathe of fresh air
Its not just a better way to train, its way more fun and everybody else just confused and talking shit 😂😂😂
Lmao at PJ saying "drill" and then stopping like he was a kid saying a cuss word
This is so good. Greg I can tell you've been working on communicating this. Your style of speaking is much more relaxed, slower, and simple than some of the earlier interviews and videos Ive seen. Thank you
this video is a GEM, this honestly solves the big question if you really think about it..
Hopefully, now people can actually see this approach in action, they’ll stop questioning Greg’s motives (they won’t)
Incidentally, I was at the UK version of this, game-changing as a practitioner and a coach.
Pushing the game forward! Thank you for sharing.
Excellent. Looking forward to the next 3 sessions!
This is awesome. Stoked for the other parts.
This was an awesome seminar! Can’t wait for the next one in SoCal.
00:00:00 🌟 Introduction and Seminar Overview
Greg Souders thanks attendees for coming and outlines the format of the seminar.
The seminar emphasizes practical application along with combining Jiu-Jitsu concepts and theories.
00:02:18 📚 Concept of Pinning and Passing
Discussion on pinning and passing as immobilization techniques in Jiu-Jitsu.
Introduces key elements required to hold an opponent down: chest-to-chest/back contact and covering hips and shoulders.
Identifies four primary problems to solve when pinning an opponent: limb extension, limb retraction, rotation, and basing.
00:05:18 👥 Practical Drill: Double Underhooks
Practical exercise focusing on keeping the opponent pinned with double underhooks.
Top player’s goal is to maintain control by staying under the opponent's elbows, while the bottom player tries to reclaim elbow position.
00:06:30 🧠 Learning Through Experience
Emphasizes the importance of live resistance training to understand movement and control.
Mentions experiencing problems firsthand to better grasp theoretical concepts discussed.
00:08:08 ⚔ Second Drill: Shoulder and Hip Control
New exercise focusing on controlling the opponent’s shoulders and hips without using underhooks.
Top player aims to get both arms under the opponent’s elbows while maintaining control, while the bottom player tries to push away or overturn the top player.
00:11:17 ↩ Third Drill: Back Control and Rotation Prevention
Drill to maintain back control and prevent opponent’s rotation without using hooks.
Bottom player attempts to break the top player's grip and turn to face them.
00:14:04 💬 Discussion and Prioritization
Q&A session about focusing on specific training aspects such as rotation control.
Discussing the notion of prioritizing and building fundamental behaviors before addressing complex scenarios.
00:19:36 🎯 Final Drill: Completing the Pin
Exercise combining all previous elements: controlling the opponent’s hips, shoulder, and elbows to achieve a complete pin.
The conditions for winning involve covering hips, achieving chest contact, and getting hands under elbows.
00:22:18 🧩 Learning Foundations
Focus on learning through real-world movement scenarios,
Introduction to segmentation and immobilization for improving techniques.
00:26:08 🦵 Leg Segmentation
Concept of leg segmentation with emphasis on controlling opponent's feet,
Goal: Step in between or behind the knees while maintaining top control.
00:31:17 📊 Task Refinement
Explanation on applying different tasks within similar games,
Importance of context in learning and adjusting strategies accordingly.
00:34:10 📚 Skill Levels
Breakdown of class levels and training structures at the coach's gym,
Emphasis on basics and tailored training regimes for competitors.
00:35:10 🛡 Game Synthesis
Comprehensive exercise combining all learned techniques,
Objective: Control opponent's central mass through segmentation and immobilization.
00:37:22 🤝 Q&A and Rolling
Invitation for participants to either roll or stay for a Q&A session,
Goal of ensuring practical application and understanding of taught concepts.🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:00:14 *📋 The seminar will combine Jiu-Jitsu theories with practical drills and include a Q&A session at the end.*
00:01:11 *🔒 Pinning and passing are similar; focusing on holding an opponent down by immobilizing them.*
00:01:39 *💪 Key problems to solve when pinning: limb extension, limb retraction, rotation, and basing.*
00:02:20 *🧠 Learning should be experiential, focusing on practical application rather than memorization.*
00:03:01 *🔄 Drill: Keep continuous conditions of chest contact and under-elbow control to pin the opponent.*
00:05:33 *🎯 Live resistance helps students understand and face the problems they need to solve in real situations.*
00:06:30 *👉 Starting flat or with base points determines mobility, which is crucial for control.*
00:07:53 *🤼 Drill: Top player tries to get under opponent’s elbows without hooks, keeping chest-to-back contact.*
09:37 *👥 Experiencing complex situations helps identify key control points, such as covering hips and shoulders.*
15:00 *⏯️ Sequencing drills to progressively build understanding of fundamental concepts.*
18:13 *🧩 Practicing removing connections and turning to face teaches foundational defensive techniques.*
22:18 *📝 Identifying issues like extension, retraction, and rotation helps in understanding and applying concepts effectively.*
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What a handsome baby boy. Thank you, Greg and Standard, for sharing this!
Seeing andris there is really cool.
Greg and Priit keep blowing my mind about grappling.
This is excellent me and my friends will be starting this ASAP 🔥
Greg put this in an instructional and take my money!
This was awesome info. I wish I was exposed to concepts in this way when I was a beginner.
Is the guy rolling w Noah Andy Brunovskis from legion? I always thought that Keenan was an intellectual, glad to see legion catching up on this training style
I feel u have a misunderstanding of Keenan’s knowledge … also all these guys, Keenan, Andy, Greg together at Lloyd Irvin’s.
Were the win conditions in the first segmentation game carried over from the last pinning game for the bottom player as well? Just for context. This stuff has helped me and my friends improve more rapidly I believe. Thank you for sharing.
Can’t believe I missed this seminar!! Gah
Do you consider scarfhold/Kesi as at outlier pin since it doesn’t have to also cover the hips?
Thanks for sharing, enjoying it the content.
s-mount is similar. He's discussed a little bit elsewhere that if you can get the elbows perpendicular to the body it heavily impedes rotation, which ends up being an alternate mechanism of control.
“Situations dictate tactics”
I don't understand how this approach isn't just a different form of drilling. Emphasizing just a smaller detail than the older drills of BJJ.
You can consider it a different form of drilling if your definition includes live by resistance. When Greg says “we don’t drill” he means rehearsed step by step movement patterns practiced against a non-resisting partner. Some people call live resistance games “drills”, and that is totally cool and fine (even PJ calls the game a drill in the video). No need to get caught up in the language, the difference is in how we choose to constrain each scenario (which you can call positional sparring if you want, it straight up does not matter, it does fit the definition but most people positional spar with the only constraint being starting in the position itself with no other restriction or task focus). If this is how you’ve always been training, then cool! That’s good!
@@standardjiu-jitsu6031 I have been training this way for years. And I feel like this is the same method that's been around for years with Matt Thornton's Straight Blast Gym Association or Erik Paulson. So I'm just trying to figure out why this idea has caught on as a new thing.
@@jooniebird Matt Thornton and SBG were early pioneers in messing with this for sure, but there were some differences early on and even they have changed things as time has gone on. All of the guys in this space are having conversations with each other and adapting/growing based on the information they're learning from each other's experiences because they want to be better coaches, so every adjustment to applying CLA to jiu-jitsu is "new". But no one is claiming that this didn't exist before? I'm curious why this is so important to you? Greg has acknowledged all of the people that came before him, inside and outside of jiu-jitsu. The science is 100 years old and not even jiu-jitsu specific, all he's trying to do is apply it the best way he can for efficient practices. If you've always trained with only the constraints led approach then that's really cool, but the reason some people see it as "new" is because a lot of gyms have not trained this way and rely heavily on choreographed "moves" performed over and over on another body that is not resisting. But again, why does it bother you that people are excited about this? What threat does it pose to you?
@@jooniebird I’ll add one minor comment to the comment above from @standardjiu-jitsu6031:
The Constraints Led Approach allows both “drill” partners to get better at something at the same time.
Most traditional approaches treat one of the two drillers as a crash test dummy.
Basically, cutting out the non-productive portions of traditional drilling and allowing both “drillers” to acquire skill at the same time, you gain more total skill per unit of effort than if you were to train using the traditional approach.
It is not a shortcut, it’s simply removing the “longcuts” present in “traditional” drilling.
You still have to put in the effort -CLA isn’t a walk in the park, it is vomit inducing, high intensity training. Traditional drilling is definitely not high intensity (as most gyms practice it anyway)
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Does side control count as “covering the hips”
Side control doesn’t exist
@@standardjiu-jitsu6031 i don't understand what that means... i am always in side control!
@@moppop123think about how you would define the difference between ‘side control’ and ‘north south’. It’s not possible to define accurately.
Hence ‘chest to chest’ is a better defined condition.
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Why isn’t everyone taking this up your getting left behind in the game of Jiujitsu CLA Is the only way
Greg's shorts are too distracting.
I like adding constraint lead games to class but what I don't like is word salads for the sake of word salad. I have seen it in other areas and it always seems to be used to try and convey some form of intellectualism that doesn't really matter. Example why say "Immobilization as a means of strangulation or breaking. " when you can just use the good old "position equals submission. " both mean the same thing, one is just shorter and more concise.
Positional sparring
@@errgo2713 you’re saying what he is doing is regular, everyday positional sparring? Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
Souders has figured out how to monetize the widespread disappointment from jiu jitsu people who go to practice twice a week for 10 years and can’t figure out why they’re not as good as some blue belts. The real reason is that all really good players train outside of class, go to more classes, and search out losses. Souders has provided an answer by undermining everyone else because they “drill”, by pretending his quirky drills aren’t drills, by using a pretentious vocabulary, and by posturing as a revolutionary. You get good by working a lot, thinking about it a lot, and searching out solutions for every problem you have and not assuming “just keep coming” is a real strategy for skill acquisition. If Souders ever trains a guy who can beat the “drillers” that litter medal podiums at the biggest tournaments it will be because they worked hard like all of the rest have, not because of training games. There are no shortcuts, and a wide variety of training approaches work when real commitment is there. Hobbyists simply shouldn’t expect to be as good as hardcore competitors. They aren’t doing the same thing.
Yeah Greg is making tons off his dozen BJJ Fanatics instructionals.
@@SpiralBJJ He’s sure trying though. His desire to make his mark is great. But he’s using shyster tactics and disrespecting his superiors and peers in the sport to do it. That’s the problem.
@@joehiggs4349 using a theoretical framework supported by scientific research and showing respect to those scientists by using their language is a shyster tactic? And giving away 90% of my work, time, and attention for free is an example of me monetizing my ideas? And I am not in support of the “disappointed two day a weeker”. Central to my message is that you can’t acquire high level skill training only two days a week. Not to mention that chasing your goals and committing yourself entirely to the process of acquiring skill, regardless of the method used, is at the very center of what I tell people that they need to do. There are no shortcuts nor magic pills. This is a fully committed, involved and integrative coaching pedagogy that I’m advocating for.
I can tell that you don’t listen to nor understand anything I say. You’re just an uninvolved inconsequential observer with an unsupported, uninformed, and poorly reasoned opinion.
A man without purpose or utility often screams nonsense at the world with a frustrated whine.
If you ever see me in public make sure you come say hello.
Short answer is that he’s not proposing shortcuts, he’s simply removing all the traditional “longcuts”
When all the wasted effort is removed, you spend time doing the thing you want to get good at doing.
When you spend time doing the thing (and not much else) you get good at the thing.
@@darmiliosalado3641 Drilling the technique and situational sparring are “constraint based games” and “constraint based games” are situational sparing and techniques. I don’t claim his things don’t work. I claim his claims about what doesn’t work are marketing, and a little culty. The best in the world use technical reps to get the details right, resistance reps to build timing, partial training to really build timing, and sparring. His claim to have developed a much better mousetrap only works when comparing it to weak, lazy gyms. Good gyms have been doing it much more efficiently from the beginning and don’t do quirky reconfigurations of techniques and positions then claim they have made a revolution.