Thanks for watching! Let me know if you have any questions or requests for a future in-depth review and comparison, including with the Triumph Scrambler 400X.
Would also love to know service intervals and air filter locations of the CFMOTO and RE. I consume an unhealthy amount of motorcycle videos (in the adventure riding world)and only just discovered your channel and I will simply say ... outstanding!
Just thought of my new "problem". I am excited about the 450MT, however, living in Negros Oriental where top highway speed is 80kph, is the V-Strom 250SX a better solution since it costs less and has 'enough' power? Another way to ask the question: the V-Stom 250SX is enough bike on islands with no Expressway where 400cc is minimum, so what does the 450MT do for you in everyday use that makes the higher price worth paying? (besides it is cool and I want it hahaha)
You refer to yourself as "this amateur Philippino" - don't undersell yourself, I think you should take a pat on the back instead. This is good and sensible analysis that is lacking from many other channels. It's great that you also acknowledge and quote other generally respected reviewers - but also amateur themselves. Really enjoyed listening to this. Also knowledge of legends like Ted Simon who I met in the 1980s when I organised a talk he came to give at our bike club. It's great to be reminded that capacities of 450cc are amply enough to travel across continents and no one needs 1200cc to do it.
Fully agree with this. As with another one of his videos that I watched yesterday, his reviews are by far the most thorough and grounded of any reviewer I've come across to date - it's insane that he's only at 24,000 subscribers. I mean it wholeheartedly when I say that his opinion counts for more than any other that I've come across on RUclips so far when it comes to me actually deciding which bike to put money down on.
I've seen them both(havent ridden either yet) as I am considering buying one as my second bike. They are both heavier than it should, RE is narrow and manageable while CF is thick(nothing like the perfect Tenere, more like Norden). RE has a very good build quality, while CF's plastics are absolutely terrible(even the mechanism to adjust the windscreen feels like it's gonna fall apart after a couple of uses). Also fuel consumption of CF is unacceptable(might cost half a Tenere but burns as much). If RE doesnt feel underpowered(and finally has a good throttle response) will be a clear winner.
I watched your Ladakh series. Flew to Leh and rented a Himmy for 10 days. I crashed on tarmac, submerged into a river, stuck in sand dune, and the Himmy just kept chugging on. I was skeptical of RE 411, but I came away impressed. I ride a Suzuki DR650, dry weight 147kgs and gives me 27 kmpl.
I sat on the 2 a week ago and decided for the RE...I felt the CFmoto unecessary big and too plastic, in my country its also 10%expensive than the RE, regarding the weight the RE comes with a center stand and tank guards (al least the tank guard most people will put after on the CF)...The Cf adjustable suspension, mirrors,footpegs, and wind protection were nice tho...I 100% agree with your opinion on the ethos of the company, the indians wanted to prove something, the chinese wanted to tick boxes...In the end the differences are little and the quality of the rider will be the biggest difference
@@MauriceTarantulas and you're right it was an impulse buy, but it felt right...but the beauty is even if after a year I get tired for what they cost I'll lose little money
@@jordanpangilinan509 Its a lighter bike. But yeah I am more minimalistic also, I prefer the look of my current 411. The new Kove looks better to me than the CF moto.
A point that has been completely overlooked in the reviews of both bikes is the ease of servicing. This is a critical factor when touring globally or riding on Australia's back roads. I watched a video recently on the steps involved in replacing the spark plugs on an MT450. To my shock and horror, one must completely disassemble the front end, including tank removal, to get to them. This is not a simple task on the MT450 which will make servicing expensive and problematic for rides that go beyond the city limits.
Great analysis, I am really interested in both but I can’t choose! My feels are really near to yours, RE speaks romantic to me, while CF looks like the thrilling boy that says “ride me like you stole me”, and so I am looping from one to another
nice summation of the strengths and weaknesses of the two. I rode the Himalayan for an hour (road only) and really liked it but I have ordered the 450MT on the strength of the twin motor and adjustable suspension and 90% of my riding is on tarmac. I hope I made the right call!
In Colombia the difference more appreciable is the price, here the 450mt is 35.71% more expensive against the himalayan, in numbers of capacity and power are not too different, but the price it is, so, if i get a cheaper motobike with similar numbers like the mt450, for me, i choose the Himalayan.
Shout out to Ms.Candy of RE Bacoor. Standing around 5’4” she showed me(5’6”) the ‘teknik’ in mounting the Hima 450. Boosted my confidence to finally acquire and enjoy the bike.
I don't think the Himalayan 450 is meant to compete directly with the 450MT, i believe it's an alternative to the 650 cc thumpers, the DR650 and the KLR 650, i believe that's their actual market, people who still want to use single cylinder bikes for long distance travel, I don't believe RE will entice someone with a Versys x300, a V-Strom 250 or even a BMW G310 to "upgrade" to a Himalayan, or to entice a user of those big liter+ adventure bikes to downgrade to a smaller single cyl, maybe just a few that want to deal with less expensive repairs. The 450MT is the more acquirable Tenere 700 for those who love the Dakar style, it will steal away from the CB500x potential buyers, and it certainly got the attention of those like me, who own a Versys x300 and want to upgrade without dropping down in off road capabilities, and at the same time improving on the cruising characteristics of the bike. The Himalayan is a softer bike with a more forgiving power delivery, i can totally see it being easier to handle slowly on difficult terrain, but it doesn't mean that it is more capable than the 450 MT.
@@Ride_XP Thanks man, there was one thing you said in a previous video that struck me and gave me the confidence to believe in the 450 MT, and it's that you said that you felt like the bike made you a better rider off road, and that's what i am looking for, but I'm not willing to give up on cruising speed z comfort or on road behavior, this bike checks all my boxes, despite of using more fuel, that one hurts, I don't really want to buy a Honda NX500, but i ride 90% on road nowadays, I'm not sure if I'd feel safer off road with a NX500 compared to a Versys x300, i just don't see that being the case, i see the Honda 500 as a road bike that has rim sizes that can fit some decent off road tires.
Nice rap, take delivery of my Himalayan in 2 days, I think I made the right choice, but that dual balanced 270' twin was so desirable, hard call. Twelve months will tell. Cheers from down under.
You present very well indeed! A long term review is always better than a quick weekend ride. However, we tend to buy a bike based only on an hour ride or so! A great job Aaron! Thank you!
There may be more hype to the MT but I HIGHLY doubt it will ever outsell the Himalayan it’s literally the bike that made 400cc adventure riding popular and budget friendly
Наверное самый лучший обзор на эти два интересных мотоцикла. Спасибо друг :)) Ты еще не отметил то, что у Гималайского только один цилиндр, а у МТ их два, это тоже важно в плане комфорта и вибраций. И я понял из твоего обзора что мне больше подходит Гималайский, хотя МТ больше нравится по внешнему виду и начинке. Но я взрослый человек и в путешествии я люблю ехать не торопясь, смотреть по сторонам, дышать ароматом полей которые проезжаешь, в общем я не любитель скорости, поэтому из твоего обзора я понял что мне по духу больше подходит Гималайский. :)
HAHA! I love the MT characterizations! That's the best one I've heard of them yet. I'm definitely in the MT camp on this one. Thank you for another great video.
Beautiful review and so well explained. Having owned a Himalayan (carburettor model) and a CFMOTO 400NK I bought after watching your review of it over and over again, I can say I'm torn between both the new bikes. Ultimately, I love the fact it will take less time and effort to service the Himalayan myself (a 'head' decision) and the style of the Himalayan (a 'heart' decision) is awesome. Pete. Oztralia.
I though that you did a right proper job with this video Aaron. It was with good taste & style. So a proper thank you is in order my friend. Keep up the good work. Have a beautiful day! Cheers!! Illinois, USA
Outstanding video - thanks so much for this comparison. They both look good, but like you said one will call to you more than the other. One has called to me and my wallet has answered!
Thanks for the info, I am an American that rides in the Philippines and I know plush suspension is a must there and good gas mileage doesn’t hurt either 👍🏽
I have watched two of your videos now, and each one is a gem. This video and its thoughtful summation is the best analogy of the two bikes to date. While the Himalayan stirs the sole with travel-lust, the value proposition on the 450MT is undeniable. I think I would choose the CF Moto!
The 450MT is not lighter, they are about the exact same weight, wet. The 450MT is about 195kg wet while the Himalayan 450 is about 198 kg wet weight. This is not perceivable. Between those two motos weight distribution is the only factor making a difference and since 450MT is taller, I'd expect to also feel heavier a bit. Also, the Himalayan 450 is also more fuel efficient taking up to 1l/100km less fuel which is very significant. Also, the Himalayan 450 has more down low torque which translates into a less stressed engine, a feeling of more power without twisting the throttle which is very enjoyable. Very good for cruising. IMO the Himalayan 450 is easily the winner.
While I personally lean toward the Himalayan overall, the wet weight number doesn't tell the whole story. The difference in the feeling of weight is quite perceptible. The 450MT feels significantly lighter between the legs than the Himalayan 450 despite the small difference in total weight. A short rider will have a harder time standing up the Himalayan 450 compared to the 450MT when sat on it. In fact the Himalayan 411 feels lighter than the Himalayan 450 despite being exactly the same weight, something repeatedly emphasized by nathanthepostman on his channel. To be honest this is the #1 drawback on the Himalayan for my purposes, otherwise it's an easy enough choice for what I do.
@@Ride_XP this is true, that's why I was thinking that weight distribution is the only factor making a difference between the two. Somehow I would've expected the Himalayan to feel lighter since it's less taller and the center of mass is lower (but maybe exactly because of this feels heavier, too much mass concentrated in a lower volume with lower height; too much mass down) but since I've never tried any of the two, I'm just speculating ... so I take your word for it.
Hi from Spain, great video i must say. I find myself in the same situation not knowing which bike to buy of the two. This video was very interesting. Thanks.
Piston mean speed in m/s is a measure allowing to roughly evaluate the stresses on the piston with the rings in the cylinder. In general the consensus is to stay largely under 20 m/s at max RPM and to stay around under 13-14 m/s at cruising speed if you want a lasting engine. It's verified every day on aviation and marine gas engines. The other rule of thumb is on gas engines the cruising speed is 75 to 80 % of the max RPM. For example if your bike has a top speed of 150 kmh, the good speed on highway is between 112 and 120 kmh with a piston speed around 12-13 m/s. After this preliminary I do think that the RE 450 has a very bothering technical feature. With a very long old fashion stroke of 81.5 mm but with a rather fast 8000 RPM for the max power of 40 hp, the piston speed is 21.3 m/s, a very annoying high value.That's more than a super sport Honda CBR600RR at 14250 RPM (20.19 m/s). More than a cross KTM 450. The Suzuki DR 650 SE has a 82 mm stroke with around 41 hp at 6400 RPM piston speed 17.5 m/s. The Zongchen NC 450 with a stroke of 64 mm is giving around 40 hp at 7100 RPM on the Fantic 500 with a piston speed of 15.14 m/s. Also that means, if the top speed is 150 kmh at 8000 RPM, that at 6000 RPM on the highway, around 115-120 kmh, the speed piston is an unhealthy 16.3 m/s. Like if you were almost top RPM all the time with a Suzuki DR 650 on the highway, and everybody knows that was not good at all for the DR engine. Morality the RE engine is absolutely not made for going a long time on the highway. The 450 MT has a stroke of 55.2 mm, so at 8500 RPM the piston speed is 15.64 m/s. At 6500 it's less than 12 m/s, a gage of longevity. With the very full curve of torque and power it's easy to adjust the sprockets ratio to get 120 kmh at 6500 RPM. It's also the RPM of the max torque and the better specific gas consumption. Morality with the good gear ration you can make hundreds of kilometers et 120 kmh. So I do not feel very confident about the durability of the RE engine for a ADV use with a mix of highway, road and offroad.
You kinda forget that you simply do not ride a torque down low bike or any vehicle with such an engine at constantly high revs but quiet the opposite, that's what the engine is tuned for... Since it's a tractor of a bike, on lower speeds you need to rev the engine WAAAYY less to get moving and realistically when traveling you spend much more time at such speeds. I have a Fantic Caballero 500 Rally and on the dyno it delivers about 21 Nm of torque at 3500 rpm, after gradually increasing. If the dyno charts I found are right, at that time the Himalayan is at 38 Nm, after heavily increasing, and it's close to its flat line already, while the Caballero still needs to rev up plenty for that amount, so generally you don't need to rev it nearly as hard at more "common speeds" to get moving. On the Caballero I need to be above 3500 RPM at all times to get moving... at all... and it feels most comfortable at around 5000 RPM, even when just riding trough the city at low speeds, which is about 35 Nm delivery. At the same slower speeds, to deliver the same amount of torque, if I punched in everything correctly, the Himalayan actually has a lower piston speed than the Caballero 500 and even at a typical travel top speed of 120 kph it's still not worrysome at all, especially considering that after all we're talking about sports engines and machines that you're simply doing wrong when all you do is run on highways. TL;DR: Sounds like a non issue, except you literally ride the Himalayan at red line all day.
@@easy8077 Reread my post please and take your calculator, that involves only very basic arithmetic. At 5000 RPM the Zongchen NC 450 has mean piston speed of 10.67 ms, at 6400 RPM 13.65 ms, at 7500 RPM 16 ms. Supposing than the top speed of RE 450 is an optimistic 150 kmh with 8000 RPM, at 120 kmh the engine will be revving at 8000/150*120=6400 RPM, 80% of the max RPM. The piston mean speed will be 6400/60* (0,0815*2)=17.39 ms. That's pretty high, in fact more than the Fantic at his max power 7500 RPM. We are not far of the max RPM of a DR650SE which has a stroke of 82 mm... For the while it's only concerns, we'll have answers into three years after some serious test of the RE 450, specially after 30000 km. One thing is sure now, you cannot keep the RE 450 at 6400 RPM for a long time on any road.
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 lol, I recommend you to read again, do you even ride or are you just here to complain about non-issues? Edit: Just to give fun examples: Honda CMX500 Rebel ~ 19 m/s(!) at 8500 RPM... strange coincidence for an other low end torque engine... Honda NC750 S ~17 m/s at 6500 RPM Now let's do it the other way around, no low end punch, but high HP/RPM on: Honda CBR 250 RR (1990) ~21 m/s at 19000 RPM
Aaron, thanks for the review, well done. I decided on the Himalayan, unfortunately the shop that I have to buy from doesn't know when they'll get stock in. Very frustrating.
hands down cfmoto is feature rich here, i think it all comes to development costs here, CFmoto just cloned the tenere frame and placed all the parts like air filter exactly like tenere, where as Himalayan completely developed from scratch new platform and engine . usually chinese put aggressive pricing( unfair subsidies by chinese govt) for their automobiles to crush the competition
Very good review. Thank you. I just rode the NK450, and was really impressed. I also was on a 400X in the same day, also a nice motorbike, but the high, wide handlebar riding position ergos felt a bit cramped for me (5'10") 32 inseam.
AYAN NA. 171cm and weight is not a big deal since I don't go offroad much. I got the Himalayan 450 too. Made for adventure from the scratch rather than borrowing the engine of the road bike. I also have nitpicks that the 450MT has. Aside from the fuel consumption of the 450MT, you really have no compliants with 450MT. I will buy ND filters to fix that flickering of the screen. Ganda, summarized na lahat.
Thanks! :) Btw, I do have nitpicks for the MT, but since I don’t have them for the Himalayan yet, I don’t think it’s fair to bring them up in this video as yet.
Please make a video demonstrating the lowest (without stalling) and highest speed of each gear on Cfmoto MT 450. I rode the Himalyan 450 on steep snowy hills and i found out that you can be in 2nd (and sometimes even in 3rd) gear without stalling. It has good amount of torque at low RPMs. I wonder how MT450 is in this respect.
Great review as always buddy! But I still remember you left me hanging on our trail last May 4 at CDS. Hahaha from group 1 I became part of Group 2 suddenly. 🤣 kidding aside, it was my first ever trail using my 450MT and it was such a blast! Cheers! 🍻
Hey Aaron, since you’re a big timer now, it would be great for your channel if you purchased both and did a long term battle royal. Great job as usual.
Still riding a 1981 Honda XL250S. Power to weight ratio is better than the old Himmy 411. I like the new 452 power output, but not the looks or the shim valve adjustment. Will probably settle for a 411 with a cam upgrade .
Can you do comparison between 450 MT and 390 ADV? Cause I think it’s more apple to apple comparison, and i have a 390 and I’m interested to upgrade to 450 MT(if you can call it an upgrade, cause they basically in the same category)
This is a great question, let me quickly answer it: It's close, but definitely an upgrade. Much smoother, more comfortable seated and way better standing, more tractable off-road and not prone to stalling, better suspension, better front wheel, no vibes, better electronics and easy to switch ABS/TC immediately. Main tradeoff is heavier weight, big front end, and not as agile road handling.
In two things mt is better from 390 1 doesn't have the footpegs vibration tgat 390 has Actually not vibration at all 2 better wind protection You have a better bike on the rest things Like suspension Fuel consumption Light weight
The weight comparison at 2:47 is baised, you are comparing dry weight of MT to wet weight of RE. MT450 wet weight is nearly 200 kgs with no potential of reducing. The RE has a lot more potential to reduce weight to suit your needs. Accessing parts for servicing is not easy on the MT. Also, the RE can handle abuse on the trails better than MT.
Thanks Aaron, good review, very interesting early insight. One thing to note was quoting the CF's dry weight while giving a wet weight for the Himalayan. Could catch out a few observers. A direct comparison puts the CF's wet = 187.6Kg, 10.4Kg lighter than the Him's wet of 198Kg.
@@markfenlon7049 Add the 2.5L of engine oil and 1.2L coolant (figures from 450NK engine owners manual) and you get around 191.6Kg total for the 450MT (since it uses the same engine as the CF road bikes). That's probably where the 192Kg value Aaron quoted comes from.
I like both bikes, but the gas mileage to me is a real selling point of the Himmy. If I was younger and looking for a more exiting ride, I would go with the 450mt, but for long distance riding a 30% longer range and smoother power delivery tips the scales for me in the direction of the RE. I presently ride a 411 that has many upgrades including engine Hp mods, so I am very happy with my bike. But some day if I were to upgrade I would likely go to the 450 Himmy.
Might be worth looking into the plastic Acerbis fuel tank if you really want the weight savings! The tubeless wheels are pretty expensive as an accessory.
RE have failed in the Uk on the launch of the 452. Dribbling through and still no clear date on Tubeless. Final straw for me was they don’t list the lower seat in their catalogue or on the on line configurator. Fully agree about the daft lean angle and difficulty getting the bike upright for shorter riders ( before any luggage added) Add to that the vibration. At Uk motorway speeds the mirrors are useless and the vibrations are excessive. Quite a few of us cancelled our deposits and are keeping the 411’s and looking at the CF moto as an upgrade … but that will no doubt come with issues so it’s keeping the 411 for me until something worthy comes along to replace it
That’s unfortunate! I do think RE have lost a lot of steam with how slowly the bike and its accessories have rolled out since launch compared to CFMOTO with the MT.
Test rode RE 450 on the UK for about an hour. Can't find anything wrong with, a good bike, but the engine didn't do it for me. Tried a cfmoto 450NK, that engine got me feeling good.
There is a big difference between a 41mm fork and a 43 mm fork - 41 is really quite narrow so there will be a lot of flex, i am not sure many understand this and i suppose if folk only ride gentle trails they won't notice it but it is a real life difference that will be felt by anyone with the slightest idea of what suspension should do. The MT really should have had larger diameter forks, we shall see how it plays out - the 41mm diameter on the MT is putting me off, the 452 has larger diameter thus arguably better performing sussers and much less flex especially when it gets rough but as it is none adjustable, it also puts me off.....
To add to that, physically the difference in size between the pairs of forks is quite noticeable. If one were willing to spend the extra money to upgrade the Himalayan’s forks, then there’s a greater upside there.
Lol I had to laugh at "get a Honda" 😅 totoo naman haha. Glad to have met you last weekend! The suspension on my bike was tuned a bit hard by Dennis after he learned my background is mx and want to hit jumps so baka nga it was a bit harsh for you. Your analogy is spot on though. Hope to ride with you guys soon and thanks again for helping out this trail newbie! - ambi (pat)
Once again, nice vid. Since I am looking for an adv, the MT450 is it. Man u do a nice job, cool that u reference otheres, but your observation, conclusions are spot on. As for the Himalayan, wish they would have used the 350 J engine (it is way better than the 411), lost 20 kgs in new frame, suspension.........That would have been the RF "heritage" cool bike. I am glad u like the new one, but for me it's not it. I will enjoy my GT650 and the Hunter 350, but for now, I am done with RE. Again, u put out great vids, thx.
Thanks for chiming in! You make a good point, that 350 is lighter and brimming with character. As for me, I’ve recently realized the 650 would make for an amazing engine off road-if only it weren’t so heavy.
@Palabyab Spot on again, the 350 is a beautiful engine. The 650 would be too heavy. Back to the 450s, can't have it all. I want adv bike, I do live in Indonesia, here even if I try hard, it's 80% roads on my rides. For here I have the Rally 300, fixed suspension, opened up engine some, perfect. It's 155 kg wet. The MT 450 will be for Europe. We have them here, but my Rally is all I need. I really like your vids, u bring sanity and real world requirements. Thx
I like RE because power and millage are same after putting bulky load on bike with topbox and 2 panniers after long run also shork absorption quality is better in RE in more rugged road but i like function of450Mt of change in mode while driving and traction control so it delivered power quick but RE is cheaper price then 450mt in many countries including my and easily coustmisable and upgradable like me and my friend upgrade RE by add cruise control, like ktm and bmw gear shifter it is added on RE, remove mirror then put rear live camera and display near display of RE to work as mirror, electric damper stabilizer, replaced battery with bigger capacity and put electric bike kit on front wheel so in condition were front tire stuck it used or for small distance travelled free cost and lastly we are planning to put small air conditioning or cooler machine so in hot summer we can ride by attached AC or cooler machine with rider suit by small tubes, heated handle only for winter and rainy season.
Interesting to see the corrosion already on the spokes at 11:16 in the video. Personally I prefer the look of the RE 450 and as you say the soul. Yet will more than likely get a 450MT. It's cheaper and you get a lot more for the money.
Isn't that the tubeless tires of 450mt? I think on paper 450mt is great but I've seen average Indians abusing Himalayan and still couldn't damage it. Diff between Plastic vs metal I think.
@@defylifeadventure The figures in the graphic are Dry weight on the MT and wet on the Himmy. Only 4KG difference wet. You may want to consider the politics of the different manufacturer's governments, and thinking about what your cash is supporting, especially when there is territorial friction occurring with one of the nations that build these bikes.
Nice but just a point on the suspensions. The MT has Kayaba suspensions and it's one of the best and probably what makes me believe it's a quality build.
Good comparison between the two engines. Well done! Should you be interested in either of these engines, it might also be a good idea to check with the dealer about parts supply, should anything on the engine break down.... Sometimes you may have to wait 6 weeks for parts, which is not something you want...
The quality of rider is most important, but when you create a product to better a predecessor with years of planning & testing which weighs more than a product made for lowering the price.
Thanks for watching! Let me know if you have any questions or requests for a future in-depth review and comparison, including with the Triumph Scrambler 400X.
I would like reviews, especially if you know the owners, what the servicing is like. Typically of the air filter and access to it.
Great video.
Would also love to know service intervals and air filter locations of the CFMOTO and RE. I consume an unhealthy amount of motorcycle videos (in the adventure riding world)and only just discovered your channel and I will simply say ... outstanding!
Air filter is under seat in Cfmoto and under fuel tank in Himalayan
@@paulkusyk8254 Awesome. Thank you for the info!
Just thought of my new "problem".
I am excited about the 450MT, however, living in Negros Oriental where top highway speed is 80kph, is the V-Strom 250SX a better solution since it costs less and has 'enough' power?
Another way to ask the question: the V-Stom 250SX is enough bike on islands with no Expressway where 400cc is minimum, so what does the 450MT do for you in everyday use that makes the higher price worth paying? (besides it is cool and I want it hahaha)
You refer to yourself as "this amateur Philippino" - don't undersell yourself, I think you should take a pat on the back instead.
This is good and sensible analysis that is lacking from many other channels. It's great that you also acknowledge and quote other generally respected reviewers - but also amateur themselves.
Really enjoyed listening to this. Also knowledge of legends like Ted Simon who I met in the 1980s when I organised a talk he came to give at our bike club. It's great to be reminded that capacities of 450cc are amply enough to travel across continents and no one needs 1200cc to do it.
Thank you, that’s very kind! And wow, meeting Ted Simon! His book blew my mind, and doing it all on that old Triumph, what a legend.
Fully agree with this. As with another one of his videos that I watched yesterday, his reviews are by far the most thorough and grounded of any reviewer I've come across to date - it's insane that he's only at 24,000 subscribers. I mean it wholeheartedly when I say that his opinion counts for more than any other that I've come across on RUclips so far when it comes to me actually deciding which bike to put money down on.
I've seen them both(havent ridden either yet) as I am considering buying one as my second bike. They are both heavier than it should, RE is narrow and manageable while CF is thick(nothing like the perfect Tenere, more like Norden). RE has a very good build quality, while CF's plastics are absolutely terrible(even the mechanism to adjust the windscreen feels like it's gonna fall apart after a couple of uses). Also fuel consumption of CF is unacceptable(might cost half a Tenere but burns as much). If RE doesnt feel underpowered(and finally has a good throttle response) will be a clear winner.
I watched your Ladakh series. Flew to Leh and rented a Himmy for 10 days. I crashed on tarmac, submerged into a river, stuck in sand dune, and the Himmy just kept chugging on. I was skeptical of RE 411, but I came away impressed. I ride a Suzuki DR650, dry weight 147kgs and gives me 27 kmpl.
Riding a Himalayan 411 in Ladakh was a revelation to me, for the same reasons!
I sat on the 2 a week ago and decided for the RE...I felt the CFmoto unecessary big and too plastic, in my country its also 10%expensive than the RE, regarding the weight the RE comes with a center stand and tank guards (al least the tank guard most people will put after on the CF)...The Cf adjustable suspension, mirrors,footpegs, and wind protection were nice tho...I 100% agree with your opinion on the ethos of the company, the indians wanted to prove something, the chinese wanted to tick boxes...In the end the differences are little and the quality of the rider will be the biggest difference
I wouldnt make a choice just based on sitting on one bike, need to ride it a bit. However think both bikes are nice!
@@MauriceTarantulas and you're right it was an impulse buy, but it felt right...but the beauty is even if after a year I get tired for what they cost I'll lose little money
@@ivoaferreira Well dont think you could go wrong with either based on my own experience however next bike I will def test ride more.
Same feeling, CFmoto plastics feel too bulky.
@@jordanpangilinan509 Its a lighter bike. But yeah I am more minimalistic also, I prefer the look of my current 411. The new Kove looks better to me than the CF moto.
A point that has been completely overlooked in the reviews of both bikes is the ease of servicing. This is a critical factor when touring globally or riding on Australia's back roads. I watched a video recently on the steps involved in replacing the spark plugs on an MT450. To my shock and horror, one must completely disassemble the front end, including tank removal, to get to them. This is not a simple task on the MT450 which will make servicing expensive and problematic for rides that go beyond the city limits.
This is good to know. Bikes like these should be simple to maintain especially if you happen to have problems on the road.
😮 спасибо за информацию, да, это фактор...
That's the case with almost every single twin cylinder bike on the market and you don't change sparkplugs as often anymore.
Thanks for this input! I’ll look into this more for the more in depth reviews
same goes to my versys x 250. i thinks it normal for dual purpose motorcycles
Dude! You're a very talented presenter and reviewer! Great job!
Great analysis, I am really interested in both but I can’t choose! My feels are really near to yours, RE speaks romantic to me, while CF looks like the thrilling boy that says “ride me like you stole me”, and so I am looping from one to another
nice summation of the strengths and weaknesses of the two. I rode the Himalayan for an hour (road only) and really liked it but I have ordered the 450MT on the strength of the twin motor and adjustable suspension and 90% of my riding is on tarmac. I hope I made the right call!
too plasticy
In Colombia the difference more appreciable is the price, here the 450mt is 35.71% more expensive against the himalayan, in numbers of capacity and power are not too different, but the price it is, so, if i get a cheaper motobike with similar numbers like the mt450, for me, i choose the Himalayan.
Totally different proposition at that price!
Excellent review, argumentatively and eloquently expressed!
Shout out to Ms.Candy of RE Bacoor. Standing around 5’4” she showed me(5’6”) the ‘teknik’ in mounting the Hima 450. Boosted my confidence to finally acquire and enjoy the bike.
That’s good! Nasa diskarte rin talaga, I think manageable pa rin talaga yung bike.
VERY GOOD AND UNDERSTANBLE REVIEW Bro Aaron, 5thumbs up 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
Also, waiting for my Hima 450 Hanle Black, with my Agent Ms Candy 😍😍😍
I don't think the Himalayan 450 is meant to compete directly with the 450MT, i believe it's an alternative to the 650 cc thumpers, the DR650 and the KLR 650, i believe that's their actual market, people who still want to use single cylinder bikes for long distance travel, I don't believe RE will entice someone with a Versys x300, a V-Strom 250 or even a BMW G310 to "upgrade" to a Himalayan, or to entice a user of those big liter+ adventure bikes to downgrade to a smaller single cyl, maybe just a few that want to deal with less expensive repairs.
The 450MT is the more acquirable Tenere 700 for those who love the Dakar style, it will steal away from the CB500x potential buyers, and it certainly got the attention of those like me, who own a Versys x300 and want to upgrade without dropping down in off road capabilities, and at the same time improving on the cruising characteristics of the bike.
The Himalayan is a softer bike with a more forgiving power delivery, i can totally see it being easier to handle slowly on difficult terrain, but it doesn't mean that it is more capable than the 450 MT.
Spot on!
@@Ride_XP Thanks man, there was one thing you said in a previous video that struck me and gave me the confidence to believe in the 450 MT, and it's that you said that you felt like the bike made you a better rider off road, and that's what i am looking for, but I'm not willing to give up on cruising speed z comfort or on road behavior, this bike checks all my boxes, despite of using more fuel, that one hurts, I don't really want to buy a Honda NX500, but i ride 90% on road nowadays, I'm not sure if I'd feel safer off road with a NX500 compared to a Versys x300, i just don't see that being the case, i see the Honda 500 as a road bike that has rim sizes that can fit some decent off road tires.
Nice rap, take delivery of my Himalayan in 2 days, I think I made the right choice, but that dual balanced 270' twin was so desirable, hard call. Twelve months will tell.
Cheers from down under.
Bought first 450MT in Kazakhstan. 😎.
Enjoying it a lot on public roads till 500 km, coz it gives another joy compare to my Honda CBR600f4i.
Да ладно? 450МТ купил?
How much is it in your country? In which shop did you buy?
this was presented so well. seriously think you deserve more subs, keep up the work and i'm sure you'll be there. well done.
You present very well indeed! A long term review is always better than a quick weekend ride. However, we tend to buy a bike based only on an hour ride or so! A great job Aaron! Thank you!
Great review, well explained using superb English😊
There may be more hype to the MT but I HIGHLY doubt it will ever outsell the Himalayan it’s literally the bike that made 400cc adventure riding popular and budget friendly
royal enfield is a trash brand
Наверное самый лучший обзор на эти два интересных мотоцикла. Спасибо друг :)) Ты еще не отметил то, что у Гималайского только один цилиндр, а у МТ их два, это тоже важно в плане комфорта и вибраций. И я понял из твоего обзора что мне больше подходит Гималайский, хотя МТ больше нравится по внешнему виду и начинке. Но я взрослый человек и в путешествии я люблю ехать не торопясь, смотреть по сторонам, дышать ароматом полей которые проезжаешь, в общем я не любитель скорости, поэтому из твоего обзора я понял что мне по духу больше подходит Гималайский. :)
HAHA! I love the MT characterizations! That's the best one I've heard of them yet. I'm definitely in the MT camp on this one. Thank you for another great video.
Aaron so impressed with your vocal style Sir, i am convinced , Id have the MT450 hands down
Awesome review, thank you brother. We are waiting for more 450mt vs re himalayan 450.
More to come!
@@Ride_XP i'll be waiting nice
What a great video. Thank you so much!
Beautiful review and so well explained. Having owned a Himalayan (carburettor model) and a CFMOTO 400NK I bought after watching your review of it over and over again, I can say I'm torn between both the new bikes. Ultimately, I love the fact it will take less time and effort to service the Himalayan myself (a 'head' decision) and the style of the Himalayan (a 'heart' decision) is awesome. Pete. Oztralia.
Cheers mate!
Sobrang galing! underrated channel! deserves M subs
Salamat brother!
If you are
Very helpful! Thanks a lot and keep up the great work!
I personally would avoid plastic materials. Hence choosing H450.
I though that you did a right proper job with this video Aaron. It was with good taste & style. So a proper thank you is in order my friend. Keep up the good work. Have a beautiful day! Cheers!! Illinois, USA
I appreciate that!
Outstanding video - thanks so much for this comparison. They both look good, but like you said one will call to you more than the other. One has called to me and my wallet has answered!
Thanks for the info, I am an American that rides in the Philippines and I know plush suspension is a must there and good gas mileage doesn’t hurt either 👍🏽
Great video mate.
Well done video mate!
Thank you!
Greetings from Poland!
The concluding analogies were brilliant! :)
Good review. You don't need to feel lesser than MADTv or other channels. Keep it up
To overcome that side stand problem...turn the handle to the right and then try to lift...it helps
Exactly!
I have watched two of your videos now, and each one is a gem. This video and its thoughtful summation is the best analogy of the two bikes to date. While the Himalayan stirs the sole with travel-lust, the value proposition on the 450MT is undeniable. I think I would choose the CF Moto!
The 450MT is not lighter, they are about the exact same weight, wet.
The 450MT is about 195kg wet while the Himalayan 450 is about 198 kg wet weight. This is not perceivable.
Between those two motos weight distribution is the only factor making a difference and since 450MT is taller, I'd expect to also feel heavier a bit.
Also, the Himalayan 450 is also more fuel efficient taking up to 1l/100km less fuel which is very significant.
Also, the Himalayan 450 has more down low torque which translates into a less stressed engine, a feeling of more power without twisting the throttle which is very enjoyable. Very good for cruising.
IMO the Himalayan 450 is easily the winner.
While I personally lean toward the Himalayan overall, the wet weight number doesn't tell the whole story. The difference in the feeling of weight is quite perceptible. The 450MT feels significantly lighter between the legs than the Himalayan 450 despite the small difference in total weight. A short rider will have a harder time standing up the Himalayan 450 compared to the 450MT when sat on it. In fact the Himalayan 411 feels lighter than the Himalayan 450 despite being exactly the same weight, something repeatedly emphasized by nathanthepostman on his channel. To be honest this is the #1 drawback on the Himalayan for my purposes, otherwise it's an easy enough choice for what I do.
@@Ride_XP this is true, that's why I was thinking that weight distribution is the only factor making a difference between the two. Somehow I would've expected the Himalayan to feel lighter since it's less taller and the center of mass is lower (but maybe exactly because of this feels heavier, too much mass concentrated in a lower volume with lower height; too much mass down) but since I've never tried any of the two, I'm just speculating ... so I take your word for it.
Hi from Spain, great video i must say. I find myself in the same situation not knowing which bike to buy of the two. This video was very interesting. Thanks.
Piston mean speed in m/s is a measure allowing to roughly evaluate the stresses on the piston with the rings in the cylinder. In general the consensus is to stay largely under 20 m/s at max RPM and to stay around under 13-14 m/s at cruising speed if you want a lasting engine. It's verified every day on aviation and marine gas engines.
The other rule of thumb is on gas engines the cruising speed is 75 to 80 % of the max RPM. For example if your bike has a top speed of 150 kmh, the good speed on highway is between 112 and 120 kmh with a piston speed around 12-13 m/s.
After this preliminary I do think that the RE 450 has a very bothering technical feature. With a very long old fashion stroke of 81.5 mm but with a rather fast 8000 RPM for the max power of 40 hp, the piston speed is 21.3 m/s, a very annoying high value.That's more than a super sport Honda CBR600RR at 14250 RPM (20.19 m/s). More than a cross KTM 450.
The Suzuki DR 650 SE has a 82 mm stroke with around 41 hp at 6400 RPM piston speed 17.5 m/s. The Zongchen NC 450 with a stroke of 64 mm is giving around 40 hp at 7100 RPM on the Fantic 500 with a piston speed of 15.14 m/s.
Also that means, if the top speed is 150 kmh at 8000 RPM, that at 6000 RPM on the highway, around 115-120 kmh, the speed piston is an unhealthy 16.3 m/s. Like if you were almost top RPM all the time with a Suzuki DR 650 on the highway, and everybody knows that was not good at all for the DR engine. Morality the RE engine is absolutely not made for going a long time on the highway.
The 450 MT has a stroke of 55.2 mm, so at 8500 RPM the piston speed is 15.64 m/s. At 6500 it's less than 12 m/s, a gage of longevity. With the very full curve of torque and power it's easy to adjust the sprockets ratio to get 120 kmh at 6500 RPM. It's also the RPM of the max torque and the better specific gas consumption. Morality with the good gear ration you can make hundreds of kilometers et 120 kmh.
So I do not feel very confident about the durability of the RE engine for a ADV use with a mix of highway, road and offroad.
You kinda forget that you simply do not ride a torque down low bike or any vehicle with such an engine at constantly high revs but quiet the opposite, that's what the engine is tuned for...
Since it's a tractor of a bike, on lower speeds you need to rev the engine WAAAYY less to get moving and realistically when traveling you spend much more time at such speeds.
I have a Fantic Caballero 500 Rally and on the dyno it delivers about 21 Nm of torque at 3500 rpm, after gradually increasing.
If the dyno charts I found are right, at that time the Himalayan is at 38 Nm, after heavily increasing, and it's close to its flat line already, while the Caballero still needs to rev up plenty for that amount, so generally you don't need to rev it nearly as hard at more "common speeds" to get moving.
On the Caballero I need to be above 3500 RPM at all times to get moving... at all... and it feels most comfortable at around 5000 RPM, even when just riding trough the city at low speeds, which is about 35 Nm delivery.
At the same slower speeds, to deliver the same amount of torque, if I punched in everything correctly, the Himalayan actually has a lower piston speed than the Caballero 500 and even at a typical travel top speed of 120 kph it's still not worrysome at all, especially considering that after all we're talking about sports engines and machines that you're simply doing wrong when all you do is run on highways.
TL;DR: Sounds like a non issue, except you literally ride the Himalayan at red line all day.
@@easy8077 Reread my post please and take your calculator, that involves only very basic arithmetic.
At 5000 RPM the Zongchen NC 450 has mean piston speed of 10.67 ms, at 6400 RPM 13.65 ms, at 7500 RPM 16 ms.
Supposing than the top speed of RE 450 is an optimistic 150 kmh with 8000 RPM, at 120 kmh the engine will be revving at 8000/150*120=6400 RPM, 80% of the max RPM. The piston mean speed will be 6400/60* (0,0815*2)=17.39 ms. That's pretty high, in fact more than the Fantic at his max power 7500 RPM.
We are not far of the max RPM of a DR650SE which has a stroke of 82 mm...
For the while it's only concerns, we'll have answers into three years after some serious test of the RE 450, specially after 30000 km.
One thing is sure now, you cannot keep the RE 450 at 6400 RPM for a long time on any road.
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 lol, I recommend you to read again, do you even ride or are you just here to complain about non-issues?
Edit: Just to give fun examples:
Honda CMX500 Rebel ~ 19 m/s(!) at 8500 RPM... strange coincidence for an other low end torque engine...
Honda NC750 S ~17 m/s at 6500 RPM
Now let's do it the other way around, no low end punch, but high HP/RPM on:
Honda CBR 250 RR (1990) ~21 m/s at 19000 RPM
Very nice review and comparison. I really like your analogy at the end!
Aaron, thanks for the review, well done. I decided on the Himalayan, unfortunately the shop that I have to buy from doesn't know when they'll get stock in. Very frustrating.
I hear you! And the rollout of the accessories and tubeless is taking some time
Kudos again 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼love your back to back review experience
“Character Speaks”
hands down cfmoto is feature rich here, i think it all comes to development costs here, CFmoto just cloned the tenere frame and placed all the parts like air filter exactly like tenere, where as Himalayan completely developed from scratch new platform and engine . usually chinese put aggressive pricing( unfair subsidies by chinese govt) for their automobiles to crush the competition
Very good review. Thank you. I just rode the NK450, and was really impressed. I also was on a 400X in the same day, also a nice motorbike, but the high, wide handlebar riding position ergos felt a bit cramped for me (5'10") 32 inseam.
Great review. Which bike vibrates the most through the bars?
The Himalayan 450, by far. It's barely perceptible at the same speed on the 450MT.
AYAN NA. 171cm and weight is not a big deal since I don't go offroad much. I got the Himalayan 450 too. Made for adventure from the scratch rather than borrowing the engine of the road bike. I also have nitpicks that the 450MT has. Aside from the fuel consumption of the 450MT, you really have no compliants with 450MT.
I will buy ND filters to fix that flickering of the screen.
Ganda, summarized na lahat.
Thanks! :) Btw, I do have nitpicks for the MT, but since I don’t have them for the Himalayan yet, I don’t think it’s fair to bring them up in this video as yet.
У 450МТ большой расход топлива?
@@Руслан-н6н8иsupposedly around 20 kmpl.
About the spokes at 11:16, does anybody know if they are stainless?
Please make a video demonstrating the lowest (without stalling) and highest speed of each gear on Cfmoto MT 450. I rode the Himalyan 450 on steep snowy hills and i found out that you can be in 2nd (and sometimes even in 3rd) gear without stalling. It has good amount of torque at low RPMs. I wonder how MT450 is in this respect.
That’s a great suggestion! Thank you.
Nice review pare
Thank you for you’re explication, now I’ve better idea about the feeling on bought motocycles. Saludos desde Mexico 🤙🏻🫶🏻🇲🇽
Great review as always buddy! But I still remember you left me hanging on our trail last May 4 at CDS. Hahaha from group 1 I became part of Group 2 suddenly. 🤣 kidding aside, it was my first ever trail using my 450MT and it was such a blast! Cheers! 🍻
Wahaha sorry bro!! Nalilito na ako nun sa trail :)) :()
You are very articulate well done 😁👍
The comparison i was eagerly waiting for
Hey Aaron, since you’re a big timer now, it would be great for your channel if you purchased both and did a long term battle royal. Great job as usual.
Ahahaha I wish I were a big timer, the money from this channel barely pays for my gas. 😅 But that said, I’ve got more coming about these two bikes ☺️
Still riding a 1981 Honda XL250S. Power to weight ratio is better than the old Himmy 411. I like the new 452 power output, but not the looks or the shim valve adjustment. Will probably settle for a 411 with a cam upgrade .
Great review.
The wet weight of the two bikes is much the same. CF Moto specifying the dry weight is somewhat deceiving.
Can you do comparison between 450 MT and 390 ADV? Cause I think it’s more apple to apple comparison, and i have a 390 and I’m interested to upgrade to 450 MT(if you can call it an upgrade, cause they basically in the same category)
This is a great question, let me quickly answer it: It's close, but definitely an upgrade. Much smoother, more comfortable seated and way better standing, more tractable off-road and not prone to stalling, better suspension, better front wheel, no vibes, better electronics and easy to switch ABS/TC immediately. Main tradeoff is heavier weight, big front end, and not as agile road handling.
also lower seat height but higher ground clearance on the 450MT. and I just prefer the build quality on the 450
@@Ride_XP can you make a video about this comparison? For more in depth comparison
In two things mt is better from 390
1 doesn't have the footpegs vibration tgat 390 has
Actually not vibration at all
2 better wind protection
You have a better bike on the rest things
Like suspension
Fuel consumption
Light weight
The weight comparison at 2:47 is baised, you are comparing dry weight of MT to wet weight of RE. MT450 wet weight is nearly 200 kgs with no potential of reducing. The RE has a lot more potential to reduce weight to suit your needs. Accessing parts for servicing is not easy on the MT. Also, the RE can handle abuse on the trails better than MT.
I specifically said there is only 4kg difference between these two bikes. But yes the graphic (which I didn’t produce) doesn’t show a fair comparison
@@Ride_XP I saw a guy reduce the weight of himalayan to 170kg. His channel is Abhinav Bhatt.
Gracias amigo. La comparación que estaba buscando.
Nice description for both bikes.... Im still a 1 litter 30km kinda guy haha
Himalayan's weight turns into an advantage while Highway riding, it gives more stability and confidence at high speeds.
I also realize now that that may also make it feel more planted on technical terrain. Looking forward to testing this.
I like your presentation style way better than MAD TV. 👍👍👍👍
Amazing job man man!
Thanks for a brilliant video.
Thanks Aaron, good review, very interesting early insight. One thing to note was quoting the CF's dry weight while giving a wet weight for the Himalayan. Could catch out a few observers. A direct comparison puts the CF's wet = 187.6Kg, 10.4Kg lighter than the Him's wet of 198Kg.
The figure I got for wet weight on the MT was actually 192kg! But interesting there is no official figure
Yes, strange Moto only quote dry weight, generally gasoline : 0.72kg per litre as a OK guide to calculating wet weight by tank volume
@@markfenlon7049 Add the 2.5L of engine oil and 1.2L coolant (figures from 450NK engine owners manual) and you get around 191.6Kg total for the 450MT (since it uses the same engine as the CF road bikes). That's probably where the 192Kg value Aaron quoted comes from.
Good point, these fluids would will add weight. Add on accessories like crash protection, both bikes will go over 200Kg wet.
@@markfenlon7049but himmy comes with tank guards while mt doesn't.
I like both bikes, but the gas mileage to me is a real selling point of the Himmy. If I was younger and looking for a more exiting ride, I would go with the 450mt, but for long distance riding a 30% longer range and smoother power delivery tips the scales for me in the direction of the RE. I presently ride a 411 that has many upgrades including engine Hp mods, so I am very happy with my bike. But some day if I were to upgrade I would likely go to the 450 Himmy.
If you get the tubeless wheels for the Himalayan and remove the center stand, I wonder how much weight that would save
Might be worth looking into the plastic Acerbis fuel tank if you really want the weight savings! The tubeless wheels are pretty expensive as an accessory.
RE have failed in the Uk on the launch of the 452. Dribbling through and still no clear date on Tubeless. Final straw for me was they don’t list the lower seat in their catalogue or on the on line configurator. Fully agree about the daft lean angle and difficulty getting the bike upright for shorter riders ( before any luggage added) Add to that the vibration. At Uk motorway speeds the mirrors are useless and the vibrations are excessive. Quite a few of us cancelled our deposits and are keeping the 411’s and looking at the CF moto as an upgrade … but that will no doubt come with issues so it’s keeping the 411 for me until something worthy comes along to replace it
That’s unfortunate! I do think RE have lost a lot of steam with how slowly the bike and its accessories have rolled out since launch compared to CFMOTO with the MT.
Do this test again in 3 yrs. RE still be there…. Will the CF
I don't think CF will be there for the test
Great, enjoyable review, thanks!
I was waiting for this video.
Test rode RE 450 on the UK for about an hour. Can't find anything wrong with, a good bike, but the engine didn't do it for me. Tried a cfmoto 450NK, that engine got me feeling good.
plastic vs metal
There is a big difference between a 41mm fork and a 43 mm fork - 41 is really quite narrow so there will be a lot of flex, i am not sure many understand this and i suppose if folk only ride gentle trails they won't notice it but it is a real life difference that will be felt by anyone with the slightest idea of what suspension should do. The MT really should have had larger diameter forks, we shall see how it plays out - the 41mm diameter on the MT is putting me off, the 452 has larger diameter thus arguably better performing sussers and much less flex especially when it gets rough but as it is none adjustable, it also puts me off.....
To add to that, physically the difference in size between the pairs of forks is quite noticeable. If one were willing to spend the extra money to upgrade the Himalayan’s forks, then there’s a greater upside there.
thx, picked up my mt last thursday.
Great vid.
Aye thanks for the video!!
such a friendly guy
Good review.
Great vid! Next you have to try Kove and Rieju😉
P.s keeping my 411 just about to do my first bit of green laning. (Finally dried out a bit in UK)
Hope to!! And honestly, if I had a 411 I would hold on to it now. It’s destined to become a classic.
@@Ride_XP Yeah I want to learn how to service and keep it as a winter ride.
Great work Aaron! Looking forward for more; great style and relevant content to most of us.
Lol I had to laugh at "get a Honda" 😅 totoo naman haha. Glad to have met you last weekend! The suspension on my bike was tuned a bit hard by Dennis after he learned my background is mx and want to hit jumps so baka nga it was a bit harsh for you. Your analogy is spot on though. Hope to ride with you guys soon and thanks again for helping out this trail newbie! - ambi (pat)
Oh this is you!! I recognize your username from before, didn’t realize ikaw pala. Pleasure to meet you and thank you for lending your bike! Tara game!
@@Ride_XP no worries, glad to have you had you on it! Itching to trail soon! 🤘
Once again, nice vid. Since I am looking for an adv, the MT450 is it. Man u do a nice job, cool that u reference otheres, but your observation, conclusions are spot on. As for the Himalayan, wish they would have used the 350 J engine (it is way better than the 411), lost 20 kgs in new frame, suspension.........That would have been the RF "heritage" cool bike. I am glad u like the new one, but for me it's not it. I will enjoy my GT650 and the Hunter 350, but for now, I am done with RE. Again, u put out great vids, thx.
Thanks for chiming in! You make a good point, that 350 is lighter and brimming with character.
As for me, I’ve recently realized the 650 would make for an amazing engine off road-if only it weren’t so heavy.
@Palabyab Spot on again, the 350 is a beautiful engine. The 650 would be too heavy. Back to the 450s, can't have it all. I want adv bike, I do live in Indonesia, here even if I try hard, it's 80% roads on my rides. For here I have the Rally 300, fixed suspension, opened up engine some, perfect. It's 155 kg wet. The MT 450 will be for Europe. We have them here, but my Rally is all I need. I really like your vids, u bring sanity and real world requirements. Thx
Im from the philippines..where is the showroom of himalayan450..?
Main showrooms right now are RE Bacoor and RE Lipa, but one is coming soon in Pasig.
I like RE because power and millage are same after putting bulky load on bike with topbox and 2 panniers after long run also shork absorption quality is better in RE in more rugged road but i like function of450Mt of change in mode while driving and traction control so it delivered power quick but RE is cheaper price then 450mt in many countries including my and easily coustmisable and upgradable like me and my friend upgrade RE by add cruise control, like ktm and bmw gear shifter it is added on RE, remove mirror then put rear live camera and display near display of RE to work as mirror, electric damper stabilizer, replaced battery with bigger capacity and put electric bike kit on front wheel so in condition were front tire stuck it used or for small distance travelled free cost and lastly we are planning to put small air conditioning or cooler machine so in hot summer we can ride by attached AC or cooler machine with rider suit by small tubes, heated handle only for winter and rainy season.
Interesting to see the corrosion already on the spokes at 11:16 in the video. Personally I prefer the look of the RE 450 and as you say the soul. Yet will more than likely get a 450MT. It's cheaper and you get a lot more for the money.
Isn't that the tubeless tires of 450mt? I think on paper 450mt is great but I've seen average Indians abusing Himalayan and still couldn't damage it. Diff between Plastic vs metal I think.
@@Futuremodi Well of course all the important parts are metal, hence the weight.
@@defylifeadventure The figures in the graphic are Dry weight on the MT and wet on the Himmy. Only 4KG difference wet. You may want to consider the politics of the different manufacturer's governments, and thinking about what your cash is supporting, especially when there is territorial friction occurring with one of the nations that build these bikes.
Nice review! Is the Himalayan 450 out already in the Philippine market and any idea on the price tag? Thank you!
Yup. Introductory price of PHP 339,000
Nice but just a point on the suspensions. The MT has Kayaba suspensions and it's one of the best and probably what makes me believe it's a quality build.
Good comparison between the two engines.
Well done!
Should you be interested in either of these engines, it might also be a good idea to check with the dealer about parts supply, should anything on the engine break down....
Sometimes you may have to wait 6 weeks for parts, which is not something you want...
No tubeless tires on the RE is a big (big) no-go for me.
The value-for-money of CFmoto is unbelievable IMHO.
That oversight screen has an error, the Himalayan is air cooled not liquid cooled.
Himalayan 450 is liquid cooled.
Thanks sa video na to man!!!!
YEAH!!! Wonderful!!! Thanks!
The quality of rider is most important, but when you create a product to better a predecessor with years of planning & testing which weighs more than a product made for lowering the price.
Perfect !
Bro, I would like to sale my Himalayan. Do you have any idea..
U said what is quite obvious 😊
Maybe just one correction to "well made RE". It is not 😅
But I hope it will have no impact on log term usage.
Are you sure the consumption on the MT is right? Sounds very low compared to the Himalayan.
It's not low, it's high.😉
Yup these are real world numbers, shared by CFMOTO’s other 450s too. Quite high/low (LOL)