I had another opportunity to record the Schimmel so naturally I watched your video again and decided to try your "random" mic placement on the soundboard side. The results were very good, perhaps our best yet, but we will continue experimenting with other setups. Thanks again!
So happy you got good results with it. People usually avoid it because there is no "system" behind it. Well done for trying it. Glad your experimentations are producing better results, keep it up, it'll only be getting better!
Trying to find the best mic placement to record my son on our Schimmel upright later today. Your video is by far the most instructive I could find. Thanks!
@@ConstantineMusicComposer Καλησπέρα! Έχω δοκιμάσει και πίσω αρκετές φορές. Ωστόσο, μου δίνει πολλή ατάκα (στο δικό μου πιάνο), συνεπώς το χρησιμοποιώ μόνο όταν ψάχνω τέτοιον ήχο.
Fantastic video. I’ve been trying to figure a different techniques on how to record my piano from home in my bedroom. My sound set up is a Soundcraft Signature 12MTK, and I use a DBX286S with a shure sm57 dynamic microphone, when doing videos, or vocal recordings for podcasts. When I want to record my piano, I invested in 2 berenger xm8500 microphones. Would these 2 types of microphones be OK to use, and what is your best suggestion or advice to record this type of piano, and where to place the microphones? The piano I have is a Kawaii K500 upright piano
First of all, thank you. Second, I have no experience with Behringer products (Other than their synths). Out of curiosity, why did you invest in getting the same dynamic mic twice? Why not one, and then a stereo matched condenser pair? You can definitely experiment with those for recording though. I wouldn’t make any suggestions on how to record you piano, as I do not know what the room looks like. All I can say is to move it away from the wall, and try all the techniques I am demonstrating at the video. And then find the one that sounds good and experiment further with various distances.
@@ConstantineMusicComposer i’m not sure, I just never considered doing it with a stereo pair. I’ve had these for a while anyway. My other microphone I have is an audio technica condenser microphone, which ran around $100 at the time. Then I have a Shure sm57 dynamic microphone, which at the time also was around $100.
@@TheTechPianoPlayerKid in my humble opinion, a piano should always be in stereo. A mono recording is not doing it justice. Experiment with different positions. Don't be fussed about the mics at the moment. And try to move the piano away from the wall too.
Thanks this is helpful I was looking for weirder ways like using contact mics and guitar pickups. Would also be helpful for listening comparison to quickly switch between all of them with labels onscreen.
I am not a big fan of contact mics for pianos (or for any acoustic instrument) but that's actually a good idea to explore in a future video. Sound design-wise it might be interesting. Thanks for watching.
Great comparison - but as someone born with perfect pitch the fact that he ended every example with an unresolved dominant 7th chord was bugging me to no end! LOL - I had to sit by my keyboard and play a Db chord after he finished each section!!! :-)
Thank you! No, I hate that room, haha. Unfortunately, the studios were fully booked and the pianist couldn't do it another day. So I had to use that room. It had a weird reverb, terrible acoustics and the piano wasn't great. The only thing I liked was the pianist. Demonstration-wise though, it would do alright for a video.
Thanks! The mics were the Schoeps CMC 6 Microphone Amplifier with the MK 4 capsule . Possibly my favorite mic! A tad expensive but they are great. Totally recommend them!
Helpful video, but my goodness - why didn't you have that piano tuned? That's much more than simply providing tuned samples - it affects the quality of the audio results!
Well, that is actually very easy to answer! It’s a two part answer though. 1. I actually mention it at the beginning of the video. This is not a good piano (Nor a good recording environment!). I say that from all the things that you need to have a good sound, we only have the good musician part! So this is strictly a demonstration of where to put the mics and what techniques to try. And you of course get an idea between their differences in sound quality. 2. This channel makes no money. I share these tutorials with the world for free in hopes that some might find the information helpful. And I ask for nothing in return. But since I am not making any money (The money from the ads on my channel are going straight to RUclips as I can’t monetize my channel) it wouldn't be wise to invest the 100 pounds that costs to tune a piano where I live. Especially for a piano that I would never use again.
@@ConstantineMusicComposer Interestingly, the tuning reminds me of time in history where this piece would be enjoyed. It was fun to imagine hearing where this mic'ing would fit a movie score/ mix perspective. For me and my out of tune piano, this was very helpful! Be well
Definitely yes! If you are going to do a professional recording and you have the budget to hire a piano tuner, then even better! If you are referring to the specific piano we use at the video, I see no reason to pay an extra 90quid to tune the piano and then record in such a bad sounding environment when it's only for demonstration purposes.
omgg yess, Very few videos teach techniques for mono recording, thank you so much.
sadly that is because it is way better to have a stereo signal for solo piano.
Nice job. I appreciate your thought process, illustrations and attention to detail. Nice playing too. Thank you.
Thank you.
GREAT video! Very informative and concise. Good job!
Thank you!
For me, the microphones positioned at the back have the best audio.
I prefer those as well. I always try the front first but I always check the back and usually end up using that.
I had another opportunity to record the Schimmel so naturally I watched your video again and decided to try your "random" mic placement on the soundboard side. The results were very good, perhaps our best yet, but we will continue experimenting with other setups. Thanks again!
So happy you got good results with it. People usually avoid it because there is no "system" behind it. Well done for trying it. Glad your experimentations are producing better results, keep it up, it'll only be getting better!
Trying to find the best mic placement to record my son on our Schimmel upright later today. Your video is by far the most instructive I could find. Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Best of luck with it!
So much great info! Fantastic video man! I always prefer a/b on the piano(s) I record. Feels more natural or at least what I am expecting to hear.
Καλησπέρα. Ευχαριστώ!
Ναι, συνήθως το ORTF και το AB είναι τα πρώτα που δοκιμάζω.
Δοκιμάζεις και πίσω από το πιάνο ή μόνο μπροστά;
@@ConstantineMusicComposer Καλησπέρα! Έχω δοκιμάσει και πίσω αρκετές φορές. Ωστόσο, μου δίνει πολλή ατάκα (στο δικό μου πιάνο), συνεπώς το χρησιμοποιώ μόνο όταν ψάχνω τέτοιον ήχο.
Thank very much for this great video !!
You are welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting!
very helpful. Thanks you!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your videos 👍
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Thank you in advance!
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Fantastic video. I’ve been trying to figure a different techniques on how to record my piano from home in my bedroom. My sound set up is a Soundcraft Signature 12MTK, and I use a DBX286S with a shure sm57 dynamic microphone, when doing videos, or vocal recordings for podcasts. When I want to record my piano, I invested in 2 berenger xm8500 microphones. Would these 2 types of microphones be OK to use, and what is your best suggestion or advice to record this type of piano, and where to place the microphones? The piano I have is a Kawaii K500 upright piano
First of all, thank you.
Second, I have no experience with Behringer products (Other than their synths). Out of curiosity, why did you invest in getting the same dynamic mic twice? Why not one, and then a stereo matched condenser pair?
You can definitely experiment with those for recording though.
I wouldn’t make any suggestions on how to record you piano, as I do not know what the room looks like. All I can say is to move it away from the wall, and try all the techniques I am demonstrating at the video. And then find the one that sounds good and experiment further with various distances.
@@ConstantineMusicComposer i’m not sure, I just never considered doing it with a stereo pair. I’ve had these for a while anyway. My other microphone I have is an audio technica condenser microphone, which ran around $100 at the time. Then I have a Shure sm57 dynamic microphone, which at the time also was around $100.
@@TheTechPianoPlayerKid in my humble opinion, a piano should always be in stereo. A mono recording is not doing it justice. Experiment with different positions. Don't be fussed about the mics at the moment. And try to move the piano away from the wall too.
@@ConstantineMusicComposer Will do. Thanks so much for your advice and suggestions.
Thanks this is helpful I was looking for weirder ways like using contact mics and guitar pickups. Would also be helpful for listening comparison to quickly switch between all of them with labels onscreen.
I am not a big fan of contact mics for pianos (or for any acoustic instrument) but that's actually a good idea to explore in a future video. Sound design-wise it might be interesting.
Thanks for watching.
@@ConstantineMusicComposer Cool, sounds interesting to me. Using contact mics or pickups I have no practical knowledge of but the idea is appealing.
@@haley8004 Indeed it is. And happy accidents happen all the time in music, so you never know! Have fun!
Great comparison - but as someone born with perfect pitch the fact that he ended every example with an unresolved dominant 7th chord was bugging me to no end! LOL - I had to sit by my keyboard and play a Db chord after he finished each section!!! :-)
Part of the plan.
This way I'm forcing you to sit at your keyboard and practice!!
If only that worked on me!
You mean a C chord surely
AB 30 from top sounds to me like it has some phase problems.
nice jobs, thanks! isn't a great room to record though, right?
Thank you!
No, I hate that room, haha. Unfortunately, the studios were fully booked and the pianist couldn't do it another day. So I had to use that room. It had a weird reverb, terrible acoustics and the piano wasn't great. The only thing I liked was the pianist.
Demonstration-wise though, it would do alright for a video.
Cool videm, dude!
What Mic did u use?
Thks!
Thanks! The mics were the Schoeps CMC 6 Microphone Amplifier with the MK 4 capsule .
Possibly my favorite mic! A tad expensive but they are great. Totally recommend them!
@@ConstantineMusicComposer yeah, for sure a great mic!! Cool man!
@@ConstantineMusicComposer very interesting vídeo!!
@@scroza743 Obrigado!
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Helpful video, but my goodness - why didn't you have that piano tuned? That's much more than simply providing tuned samples - it affects the quality of the audio results!
Well, that is actually very easy to answer!
It’s a two part answer though.
1. I actually mention it at the beginning of the video. This is not a good piano (Nor a good recording environment!). I say that from all the things that you need to have a good sound, we only have the good musician part! So this is strictly a demonstration of where to put the mics and what techniques to try. And you of course get an idea between their differences in sound quality.
2. This channel makes no money. I share these tutorials with the world for free in hopes that some might find the information helpful. And I ask for nothing in return.
But since I am not making any money (The money from the ads on my channel are going straight to RUclips as I can’t monetize my channel) it wouldn't be wise to invest the 100 pounds that costs to tune a piano where I live. Especially for a piano that I would never use again.
@@ConstantineMusicComposer Interestingly, the tuning reminds me of time in history where this piece would be enjoyed. It was fun to imagine hearing where this mic'ing would fit a movie score/ mix perspective. For me and my out of tune piano, this was very helpful! Be well
@@villasandvistas Haha, yeah. I can imagine that too.
Thanks!
I got a new piano from best choices products with headphones and microphone.
Cons of this vid:
- Dont used the pedal (pedal noices)
- No very high notes
What about the color correction?
You have to include that on the cons.
maybe tune before?
Definitely yes!
If you are going to do a professional recording and you have the budget to hire a piano tuner, then even better! If you are referring to the specific piano we use at the video, I see no reason to pay an extra 90quid to tune the piano and then record in such a bad sounding environment when it's only for demonstration purposes.
I hear distortion and an untuned piano.