• The main advantage of playing on pad is that you can hold it behind your head whenever you’re feeling silly. • The main advantage of playing on stick is that you can lift it _by_ the joystick to show other people how you’re cool and don’t give a f***. • The main advantage of playing on leverless is that, if you’re ever at a tournament on a snowy mountainside and suddenly there’s a massive avalanche, you can use the controller as a makeshift snowboard and ride to safety. All great options, IMO.
The main advantage of a joystick is that they tend to be heavy and you can use it for self defense. Obviously. It's why it's called an "arcade" stick. 😆
I genuinely prefer retro games on stick and more modern games on hitbox I have a hitbox already but I wanna grab a stick so I can switch between them for each game and sometimes even characters (istg Makoto 3s feels clunky on hitbox and I don’t know why)
yeah, although i think they also raised their price somewhat significantly when they did that. i grabbed one for like 300/350 if i remember correctly and the compat is great but it isn't quite the budget option that it used to be
If you do already have a leverless with the types of switches the Snack Box Micro uses, I'd highly recommend trying out the pink, 25-gram switches. As long as you don't have problems with accidental inputs, the light switches really make it feel much more responsive. Plus, it's only a dollar per switch, so if you don't like it, you can put the default ones back on.
Note from someone who uses the MPress: do not buy the first version mpress if you see a listing for it. the one that has a regular type c port soldered onto the board. the usb port is not very strong and liable to wear out and start dropping your connection frequently and it sucks. I had this happen to me and so I ended up having to replace the main board and the issue came back after a year or so. The MPress V2 and any of the special editions for events have all solved this problem and are great
The kitsune is my first leverless and i'm happy with it. it really looks and feels like a "pc gaming" accessory more than like a specialized fighting game controller. i sit it on my desk and it matches everything else that's rolling with RGB.
You beat my ass years ago on MK never forgot. I added you on steam, and you told me about a book, playing to win by David Sirlin. I appreciate the games and the knowledge, hope youre doing well!
As a person who mostly plays pad and stick, I got the Haute42 T16 a week ago and its really sick. Good option if you're interested in leverless and willing to spend not that much on one. The other Haute42 options are also cheaper than the T16.
I keep hearing it kinda pales in comparison to sanwa and the like, but it's not like sanwa buttons are 3x better than them so yeah good mid price option
got the T16 recently too, its surprising how cheap it is with its really good quality and firmware, i thought i was getting scammed but no its really a good leverless for people who don't wanna pay too much or live in the EU also buttons are easy to replace so general maintenance costs are pretty low, if you ever need it in the future
Same, and it was pretty much the same price in Europe from Amazon (Branded as sehawei) when it has historically been hard to find affordable leverless controllers in EU. Really nice leverless especially for the price and the gp2040 configuration options are super handy.
I got the razer kitsune as my first fightpad and i absolutely love it, i plugged it into my ps5 and it instantly worked. Now i can throw supers around in the middle of my combos like nobodys business and ill never go back now.
That is CRAZY. Part of me wants to ask you a ton of questions about what your button configs have looked like for all the different FGs you’ve played, and part of me wants to pour vodka directly onto my eyeballs. You actually live up to your username, man. That is some really rock-and-roll s***.
@@deadfr0g YT didn't notify me of the reply so sorry for 5 month late reply. BBCF I have Z is RC macro, L is barrier, R is OD activate, B is A, Y is B, A is C, and X is D. For gear I do: Y is P, B is K, A is S, X is HS, R is FD macro, Z is dust, and L is dash macro in strive. For Skullgirls I do: Y is light punch, B is light kick, A is medium kick, X is medium punch, Z is heavy kick, and R is heavy punch. I have to use steam input to mess with the stick and trigger sensitivity.
@@life-destiny1196 I replied to a comment above about my button layouts for different games. I have gotten to celestial in strive a few times with Happy Chaos back when I played more in season 2. Only other thing I have done of any note is gotten 65th at genesis twice (in rivals 🙃) back before covid
I really love my mavercade keebbrawler-01 modded with robin switches (most people would prefer the default red ones). I love the space it has for resting my hands and the layout of buttons. The huge jump button is much appreciated.
I recently got a leverless GameCube Controller from a company called Gram and the precision is unbelievable. And because of the firmware on the board, I can swap to keyboard or hit box modes very easily.
@ChrisStriker yeah!!! Smashbox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM (the one I bought) and plenty more!! GRAM is currently celebrating 1 year anniversary and doing 20% site wide
@ChrisStriker Yeah!! There are a bunch of them. SmashBox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM ( the one I have) and a bunch more. GRAM is celebrating it's year so if you are in the market for one or their SLIM FGC( hitbox style leverless) it's worth looking at.
I recently got the Haute Pad t16 and i must say I am impressed with the overall quality. The buttons feel nice and smooth. The fact that the RGB has a built in layout to mimic the SNK cabinets is pretty cool as well.
Another option, if you're the handy sort, you can make your own! This is what I did because none of the options on the market at the time really fit what I was looking for. All told it was about $190 for me in a chassis, 16 top of the line Qanba buttons, bulk wire, some spade terminals, and the 24mm and 30mm drill bits. Put it all together with a Brook UFB I already had in my stick and got my perfect leverless controller for much less than what a normal Hitbox cost, but with significantly better buttons and a layout that fits me way better.
I also built my own hitbox but it cost me way more because i live in Australia. I would still say its worth it, i built mine from wood with a clear plastic layer on top so i could show off some cool art. It was an absolute blast to put together.
I've made a gp-2040 leverless out of a cardboard box, handwired mechanical keyswitches, and a raspberry pi pico. Cost me $30-40 in total parts, though that price gets bumped up if you don't already have access to a soldering station
I started fighting games on the Mayflash F500 flat. I like it a lot as it's really easy to customize and replace parts. It's good, I like the buttons, software and the fact that the build looks like good quality. The only issue is that if one day I go to locals, I'll probably have to buy a thinner one. This thing is big
Sehawei is a great starting point for leverless controllers. 57 bucks for a snack box variation 76 bucks for a bigger variation Both acrylic both can have custom artwork. Picking one up myself and will compare it to my RAP4 shortly after.
I really like the Razer Kitsune. I started with the Victrix. I liked it. But it is big and heavy. Razer is smaller, thinner and lighter. The action buttons (k and p) are a bit bigger but they are quieter.
I LOVE that the Haute42 series has WASD standard, because using up as a thumb button doesn't fit me for a game like Tekken. Having that kind of flexibility of choice pushes this series to the top for me.
I ordered myself a custom AFS leverless case that ive used for about a year and i love it to death. Recently though, i stumbled on an Akuma Kitsune at one of the Razer stores so i bought it.... I have been loving the Kitsune ever since i got it and i dunno if i ever go back to a big fightstick again.
I’d say the kitsune is bigger , button wise , unless you had a shiokenstar panel then the action buttons would be 30mm while the movement would be 24mm
So there is a Mixbox that I had my eye on For a while called the MojuBox. It's a 3d printed Modular Hybrid that let's you swap the stick for hitbox or Mixbox if you like Keyboard style too .
Furin arcade FRS is super nice and completely modular so you can alternate from stick to lever-less easy. A bit pricey but amazing build and great company. And Jony Fraze FTW customs are really nice too.
This biggest advantage of leverles and keyboard over controllers is that you can use more fingers. More fingers on the game gibes you an advantage. Being able to hold a finger over block is a hge advantage alone.
I got a Haute S13 because i didn't want to drop 200+ dollars on my first leverless. I played on it for the first time last night and it seems nice so far. The buttons are much quieter than my Qanba and sound like a mechanical keyboard. My only complaint so far is that it has no rubber feet on the bottom so it can slide around on a desk quite easily, but that's a very inexpensive problem to fix. It's also reasonably comfortable to play on my lap.
Razer recently released the SOCD firmware they added 3 settings 4 if you count the PC exclusive no SOCD setting. They added down + up =up, last input priority, and first input priority. Those last two are def not tournament legal but it's kinda cool to see nonetheless
Main reason i switched to box was portability of all things. I'm a college student on a pretty big campus. I got an mpress nano recently which has withstood being tossed in my backpack and going everywhere
I use a squidbox micro, compatible on all consoles (I’m on PS5) and sturdy with the metal case. Razer was dragging their feet on releasing their officially licensed leverless.
The Haute42 is a good entry stick for anyone just because of the price point. The firmware stuff can be daunting and tedious, but you're saving ~60% compared to the cost of other lever-less even if you have to buy a brook converter. Personally, I own a Snackbox Micro /w PS5 support and that's just because I was at Evo when they were selling them while I had the epiphany that I no longer want to lug around a ~13lb arcade stick which also takes up a lot of my carry-on luggage space.
I don't exactly have small hands, and I would definitely appreciate something that's supposed to sit still on my lap having some weight to it, so I think the MPress would be nice for me if I ever decided to take the dive and go to a tourney. As for PS5 compatibility, I'm not exactly afraid of tinkering with my tech, and the whole mid-tournament update thing isn't something I think would happen often. My only gripe is the lack of some kind of non-slip base, but it's nothing a rubber mat and some glue can't fix. The nice thing about these kinds of controllers are how easy they are to personalize, the overall shape is way simpler than your typical pad. The hardest part might be finding the right adhesive for the job. EDIT: I just got to the sound test and I like the MPress the best here too. It's perfect.
I remember you destroying your hands a few years ago the first time you tried using leverless, did you have to adjust how you played on it or did you just power through it? I picked up the Snackbox recently and notice my hands/wrist gets sore relatively quick and I don't THINK I've got them too tense
I have a Hitbox. It now has a converter that you can buy for PS5 play. Biggest drawback is the proprietary cord it uses. Might look into a different leverless simply for that fact. It does the job for now. I do like the beefy-ness of it although I had to switch the buttons out. They felt too soft for my tastes.
I'm in my 40s and have, big, fat sausage thumbs, so playing on pad is constant frustration for me. Hitbox-style controllers have made a world of difference in terms of how enjoyable fighting games are for me.
Playing on pad makes my big hands hurt soooo bad, but are the most portable and compatible. Sticks are the easiest for motions and easiest to customize. Moderate ergonomics. If you play a charge character... you must play leverless. Leverless is also the most ergonomic but only moderately customizable. A true master knows how to use all three.
I'm making a leverless controller in a few days. Only problem is that USPS is REALLY taking their time bring it the parts. I'm losing it. The buttons are already in my city, they just decided to not send them today
Is there a chance that a cheap controller like that Haute t13 comes out that works natively with a ps5 in the near future? I dont want to risk the magicboot not working, but also dont want to spend 300$ on a kitsune or something...
Hey all, just wanted to comment that I went all out and bought the victrix leverless about a week after SF6 came out. Been playing primarily on my pad for decades, I have a stick but never gave it much of a chance, and didn’t like it that much. It’s also only ps4/pc compatible. Anyway. The victrix is godlike and easily one of the best things I’ve purchased video game wise maybe ever. Took me about 2/2.5 weeks to get used to it and I don’t ever want to go back to pad. Hadn’t played Tekken 7 since 2021ish and Nina is my main. Literally took me an hour and I was able to do some of her hardest combos. If you have any interest at all about leverless (or stick for that matter) and you have the means to get one of these controllers…just do it. I regret not getting a hitbox years ago.
Honestly I feel like half circles r not so bad on hitbox once u get used to them like I’ve seen too goldlewis mains on it. isnt the hitbox the fastest controller to execute moves on?
Funny enough whenever I play strive or street fighter I prefer leverless. With my personal preference being the mpress due to the heft and size. I’d love to try the cross up. Especially for Tekken. Being able to switch to leverless on the fly. Would help for movement while on the other side
I've done 200+ hours on leverless, and I thought I had caught up to my stick abilities... Until I plugged my old stick back in and was able to do everything much, much more accurately. Leverless is not the huge buff some people think it is.
I have the TSR:ACT Hypercube and love it. I have changed out the caps for gamerfinger button caps because I broke two of the right thumb caps in a week lol ** this is certainly a me thing and not the controller. It’s my first and I played slap bass back in the day 😂
Furin Arcade do custom leverless designs, including southpaw. There are customisation options to set when you buy from them - and if that doesn't have what you want, contact them to discuss further options. They're based in the UK, but rooflemonger has a customised one to suit his preference for more spread out hands (see his pad/stick/leverless comparison vid from last year), and I believe he's in NA. And they have reviews from USA customers, so I assume they ship internationally.
Can any of these be made Xbox compatible, or are they that by default bc of pc support? (I'm trying to learn Bryan on T8 but the d-pad on the series X controller is driving me NUTS)
Sorry if a stupid question but is there a difference between being PS5 compatible and being compatible with PS5 games? I bought one that works with my PS5 if I want to play old PS4 games, but can't use it to play PS5 games on my PS5. Is there another converter or device I need?
I feel like keyboard is way overlooked. I grew up playing MOBAs and MMORPGs, so it feels very natural for my left hand to be on the attack buttons with qwerasdf and then have the movement inputs on my right hand with the arrow keys.
Juste ordered a T16 today, i was streesed to check at your video review but hopefully only good points for me PC Player :D ! I might buy a Magic thing or Brook for PS5 compatibility in tournaments. What's the difference between those? Because Magic is cheaper than Brook.
I have the Haute42 G16 and it's build quality is just unbelievable for how cheap it is (30ish GBP on sales)....unbelievable.... it's small, solid, light, responsive, GP2040-CE, full RGB, TWWWWWOOOOO usb-c ports on two different sides! Arrived pretty quickly in the UK. What more do you need?
Prices on even the snackbox micro are absurd. $220 usd for a bunch of buttons on a box? I find it hard to believe that thing costs more then $50 to manufacture
I dont understand why they made the UP/JUMP button in that position for most hitbox, is there some laws or rules about it?? there should be more WASD ready made controller, I barely see one out of even big sites, I'm using a custom made WASD with 6 button on right side instead of 8, and 2 "action" button in the place of where they usually put JUMP/UP
Up is where your thumb would naturally be with a normal grip, so you use thumb to jump or press up. Imo it's a lot better for stuff like tiger knee or SPD inputs. That said, it's subjective and there are definitely controllers out there if you prefer a WASD-style button layout. Some of the leverless pads have extra buttons that map to up by default and are located right above the down button, and some like the mixbox literally use WASD-shaped keycaps for movement.
AllFightStick was amazing for building a custom leverless. Can’t recommend them enough as they respond quick and nice, which was good for me as I needed help. Main advantage for me is the button layout is exactly what I want, and it’s semi-modular. The control panel is like $30 3D printed steel/aluminum so you can get a different one, if a standard hitbox or whatever isn’t working for you. Personally I wanted an adjusted Daigo layout and it works great. But if I wanted different art or a different layout, I can swap em. Plus it’s MINE, one-of-a-kind.
I've been dragging around my giant stick to locals for the last 8 years and have been thinking about picking up a leverless controller i can just slip in a bag. Didnt realize there were so many reasonably priced options, definitely gonna look to see if i can pick one up later!
Im new to fighting games, and throughout my whole life doing inputs on pad always felt weird, I decided to try leverless as Ive played a lot on PC and while sure there is still a learning curve, I can tell Ive had a huge improvement in my skill with it, feels very natural to me
I just got the smaller hautepad and it’s extremely cool for versatility and everything! My only complaint is that I wish the attack buttons were larger/spaced out a little more, it starts to feel very constricted after a little bit, and I even have fairly small hands.
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• The main advantage of playing on pad is that you can hold it behind your head whenever you’re feeling silly.
• The main advantage of playing on stick is that you can lift it _by_ the joystick to show other people how you’re cool and don’t give a f***.
• The main advantage of playing on leverless is that, if you’re ever at a tournament on a snowy mountainside and suddenly there’s a massive avalanche, you can use the controller as a makeshift snowboard and ride to safety.
All great options, IMO.
I'm sorry but lifting your stick by the joystick is insane behavior
The main advantage of a joystick is that they tend to be heavy and you can use it for self defense. Obviously.
It's why it's called an "arcade" stick. 😆
I genuinely prefer retro games on stick and more modern games on hitbox
I have a hitbox already but I wanna grab a stick so I can switch between them for each game and sometimes even characters (istg Makoto 3s feels clunky on hitbox and I don’t know why)
Leverless is also good if like putting things away in bags :)
thank you, i'm sure i'll find one of these useful someday, even after i stop playing fighting games
After much thought, I think the DK Bongos might be the right controller for me. Thanks Stage Ham :) 👍
All new micros have PS5 native support since they upgraded their PCBs late last year!
Came to say this, it’s what settled my decision to buy one as my daily driver leverless.
Yeah, would be worth pinning this. It's what pushed me to go with my Snackbox a few months ago.
yeah, although i think they also raised their price somewhat significantly when they did that. i grabbed one for like 300/350 if i remember correctly and the compat is great but it isn't quite the budget option that it used to be
@@FiestaDeUnoyeah. If you buy an out of the box snack box today, it should have ps5 support
Definitely placed an order because I found this out as well. It’s even better than it was before lol
If you do already have a leverless with the types of switches the Snack Box Micro uses, I'd highly recommend trying out the pink, 25-gram switches. As long as you don't have problems with accidental inputs, the light switches really make it feel much more responsive. Plus, it's only a dollar per switch, so if you don't like it, you can put the default ones back on.
Note from someone who uses the MPress: do not buy the first version mpress if you see a listing for it. the one that has a regular type c port soldered onto the board. the usb port is not very strong and liable to wear out and start dropping your connection frequently and it sucks. I had this happen to me and so I ended up having to replace the main board and the issue came back after a year or so. The MPress V2 and any of the special editions for events have all solved this problem and are great
I just got my snackbox micro the other day! Super excited to be learning it
It's not going to help you. Way to waste all that money.
@@intellectic9155 I hope your day gets better
@@intellectic9155youre poor
@@intellectic9155why would you even say that?
cause its true@@trikronika
personally i use keyboard
I'm doing that too, but I'm worried that I'm gonna break it.
that's how I started out, then I upgraded to a hitbox once I got comfortable with playing fighting games on a keyboard
@@michaeljesse5290I was the same but it was when I had the money that I switched.
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Same, i broke my button so i play on keyboard
The kitsune is my first leverless and i'm happy with it. it really looks and feels like a "pc gaming" accessory more than like a specialized fighting game controller. i sit it on my desk and it matches everything else that's rolling with RGB.
You beat my ass years ago on MK never forgot. I added you on steam, and you told me about a book, playing to win by David Sirlin. I appreciate the games and the knowledge, hope youre doing well!
agreed. just got my chun li kitsune after using snack box micro and default hitbox. all have been great but i love the kitsune.
@@minari8076 nice I got the cammy one and love it as well. Idk it just feels so good and comfortable to play with. No more thumb or wrist strains
As a person who mostly plays pad and stick, I got the Haute42 T16 a week ago and its really sick. Good option if you're interested in leverless and willing to spend not that much on one. The other Haute42 options are also cheaper than the T16.
would it be okay if i bound multiple buttons to 8? what’re the rules on that
I keep hearing it kinda pales in comparison to sanwa and the like, but it's not like sanwa buttons are 3x better than them so yeah good mid price option
got the T16 recently too, its surprising how cheap it is with its really good quality and firmware, i thought i was getting scammed but no its really a good leverless for people who don't wanna pay too much or live in the EU
also buttons are easy to replace so general maintenance costs are pretty low, if you ever need it in the future
Same, and it was pretty much the same price in Europe from Amazon (Branded as sehawei) when it has historically been hard to find affordable leverless controllers in EU. Really nice leverless especially for the price and the gp2040 configuration options are super handy.
Haute42 has to by far be the best on a budget. Got the G13 for like $40 and it feels closer to $60 or $70.
damn that midwest comment... my favorite part of my snackbox micro is it fits in my pocket/hoodie pouch lol
sajam seems like he would be very understanding if i was accidentally fucking up his day
I got the razer kitsune as my first fightpad and i absolutely love it, i plugged it into my ps5 and it instantly worked. Now i can throw supers around in the middle of my combos like nobodys business and ill never go back now.
I play all my fighting games on a gamecube controller I've had since 2004. So far only BBCF gives me hand pain
That is CRAZY. Part of me wants to ask you a ton of questions about what your button configs have looked like for all the different FGs you’ve played, and part of me wants to pour vodka directly onto my eyeballs.
You actually live up to your username, man. That is some really rock-and-roll s***.
As a guy who played smash for a decade: literally how?! impressive if you got anywhere doing that
@@deadfr0g YT didn't notify me of the reply so sorry for 5 month late reply. BBCF I have Z is RC macro, L is barrier, R is OD activate, B is A, Y is B, A is C, and X is D. For gear I do: Y is P, B is K, A is S, X is HS, R is FD macro, Z is dust, and L is dash macro in strive. For Skullgirls I do: Y is light punch, B is light kick, A is medium kick, X is medium punch, Z is heavy kick, and R is heavy punch. I have to use steam input to mess with the stick and trigger sensitivity.
@@RockAndRoll805 Brother, that is so cool and unhinged!! Your setup is straight-up myth material. Thank you so much for the reply.
@@life-destiny1196 I replied to a comment above about my button layouts for different games. I have gotten to celestial in strive a few times with Happy Chaos back when I played more in season 2. Only other thing I have done of any note is gotten 65th at genesis twice (in rivals 🙃) back before covid
I really love my mavercade keebbrawler-01 modded with robin switches (most people would prefer the default red ones).
I love the space it has for resting my hands and the layout of buttons. The huge jump button is much appreciated.
I recently got a leverless GameCube Controller from a company called Gram and the precision is unbelievable. And because of the firmware on the board, I can swap to keyboard or hit box modes very easily.
Leverless control for Gamecube?! I'm interested to see it because it's curious to see a leverless for Gamecube
@ChrisStriker yeah!!! Smashbox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM (the one I bought) and plenty more!! GRAM is currently celebrating 1 year anniversary and doing 20% site wide
@ChrisStriker Yeah!! There are a bunch of them. SmashBox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM ( the one I have) and a bunch more. GRAM is celebrating it's year so if you are in the market for one or their SLIM FGC( hitbox style leverless) it's worth looking at.
@@Str8EdgeJesse I need to see it, do you have the page to see it?
@@ChrisStriker They are under GRAMControllers on the bird. You'll be able to find everything from there!
I recently got the Haute Pad t16 and i must say I am impressed with the overall quality. The buttons feel nice and smooth. The fact that the RGB has a built in layout to mimic the SNK cabinets is pretty cool as well.
Keebrawler by mavercade in Canada goes pretty hard.
Another option, if you're the handy sort, you can make your own! This is what I did because none of the options on the market at the time really fit what I was looking for. All told it was about $190 for me in a chassis, 16 top of the line Qanba buttons, bulk wire, some spade terminals, and the 24mm and 30mm drill bits. Put it all together with a Brook UFB I already had in my stick and got my perfect leverless controller for much less than what a normal Hitbox cost, but with significantly better buttons and a layout that fits me way better.
I also built my own hitbox but it cost me way more because i live in Australia. I would still say its worth it, i built mine from wood with a clear plastic layer on top so i could show off some cool art. It was an absolute blast to put together.
I've made a gp-2040 leverless out of a cardboard box, handwired mechanical keyswitches, and a raspberry pi pico. Cost me $30-40 in total parts, though that price gets bumped up if you don't already have access to a soldering station
Hearing you say that they're all good really helps. I feel much less compelled to spend a lot of money. $80 is an absolute steal.
I started fighting games on the Mayflash F500 flat. I like it a lot as it's really easy to customize and replace parts. It's good, I like the buttons, software and the fact that the build looks like good quality. The only issue is that if one day I go to locals, I'll probably have to buy a thinner one. This thing is big
I’ve played on every type of controller. Leverless is by far the best for me. However I also do love playing with a fight stick as well
I bet you like playing with that stick. *wink
Sehawei is a great starting point for leverless controllers.
57 bucks for a snack box variation
76 bucks for a bigger variation
Both acrylic both can have custom artwork.
Picking one up myself and will compare it to my RAP4 shortly after.
I really like the Razer Kitsune. I started with the Victrix. I liked it. But it is big and heavy. Razer is smaller, thinner and lighter. The action buttons (k and p) are a bit bigger but they are quieter.
I LOVE that the Haute42 series has WASD standard, because using up as a thumb button doesn't fit me for a game like Tekken. Having that kind of flexibility of choice pushes this series to the top for me.
Seconding this!
you cannot rebind the thumb button for down?
I have a Kitsune and I'm thoroughly amazed how quiet it is even though Razer doesn't advertise that as a feature.
I ordered myself a custom AFS leverless case that ive used for about a year and i love it to death. Recently though, i stumbled on an Akuma Kitsune at one of the Razer stores so i bought it.... I have been loving the Kitsune ever since i got it and i dunno if i ever go back to a big fightstick again.
I’d say the kitsune is bigger , button wise , unless you had a shiokenstar panel then the action buttons would be 30mm while the movement would be 24mm
I love being able to block cross ups without thinking.
So there is a Mixbox that I had my eye on For a while called the MojuBox. It's a 3d printed Modular Hybrid that let's you swap the stick for hitbox or Mixbox if you like Keyboard style too .
Furin arcade FRS is super nice and completely modular so you can alternate from stick to lever-less easy. A bit pricey but amazing build and great company. And Jony Fraze FTW customs are really nice too.
This biggest advantage of leverles and keyboard over controllers is that you can use more fingers. More fingers on the game gibes you an advantage. Being able to hold a finger over block is a hge advantage alone.
I got a Haute S13 because i didn't want to drop 200+ dollars on my first leverless. I played on it for the first time last night and it seems nice so far. The buttons are much quieter than my Qanba and sound like a mechanical keyboard. My only complaint so far is that it has no rubber feet on the bottom so it can slide around on a desk quite easily, but that's a very inexpensive problem to fix. It's also reasonably comfortable to play on my lap.
Razer recently released the SOCD firmware they added 3 settings 4 if you count the PC exclusive no SOCD setting. They added down + up =up, last input priority, and first input priority. Those last two are def not tournament legal but it's kinda cool to see nonetheless
Love that key switch ASMR.
Main reason i switched to box was portability of all things. I'm a college student on a pretty big campus. I got an mpress nano recently which has withstood being tossed in my backpack and going everywhere
The PXN N5 steering wheel dongle also works for GP2040 passthrough. They have the same authentication chip that the wingman and magicboots use
I travel full-time, just got into Tekken and I'm considering getting a tiny hitbox that I can fit in my luggage so this is very helpful. Thanks.
I got a TopStepGG Podium V2. Bulky box since it uses sanwa buttons, and for a bit extra you can get a Brook Fusion board and customizable art.
I use a squidbox micro, compatible on all consoles (I’m on PS5) and sturdy with the metal case. Razer was dragging their feet on releasing their officially licensed leverless.
The Haute42 is a good entry stick for anyone just because of the price point. The firmware stuff can be daunting and tedious, but you're saving ~60% compared to the cost of other lever-less even if you have to buy a brook converter. Personally, I own a Snackbox Micro /w PS5 support and that's just because I was at Evo when they were selling them while I had the epiphany that I no longer want to lug around a ~13lb arcade stick which also takes up a lot of my carry-on luggage space.
SnackBox Micro, first fighting controller at all, & I love it. I just wish it were heavier & the tiny buttons went down easier & were a bit larger.
buy the metal plate for it, I'm considering doing the same and getting the XL chassis while I'm at it
I don't exactly have small hands, and I would definitely appreciate something that's supposed to sit still on my lap having some weight to it, so I think the MPress would be nice for me if I ever decided to take the dive and go to a tourney. As for PS5 compatibility, I'm not exactly afraid of tinkering with my tech, and the whole mid-tournament update thing isn't something I think would happen often.
My only gripe is the lack of some kind of non-slip base, but it's nothing a rubber mat and some glue can't fix. The nice thing about these kinds of controllers are how easy they are to personalize, the overall shape is way simpler than your typical pad. The hardest part might be finding the right adhesive for the job.
EDIT: I just got to the sound test and I like the MPress the best here too. It's perfect.
What do you recommend for a quiet button layout? I Live with roommates, and button-mashing can get annoying 😅
I remember you destroying your hands a few years ago the first time you tried using leverless, did you have to adjust how you played on it or did you just power through it? I picked up the Snackbox recently and notice my hands/wrist gets sore relatively quick and I don't THINK I've got them too tense
the razer kitsune now has adjustable socd in the latest firmware update btw
You can change the socd now with the new update
I have a Hitbox. It now has a converter that you can buy for PS5 play. Biggest drawback is the proprietary cord it uses. Might look into a different leverless simply for that fact. It does the job for now. I do like the beefy-ness of it although I had to switch the buttons out. They felt too soft for my tastes.
Can you set a button to D-pad Up and one to Joystick Up? Would that still be tournament legal?
I'm in my 40s and have, big, fat sausage thumbs, so playing on pad is constant frustration for me. Hitbox-style controllers have made a world of difference in terms of how enjoyable fighting games are for me.
God I love that evo artwork on the snackbox
I have the Vitrix FS 12 I really like it I just wish it used regular sized buttons
Playing on pad makes my big hands hurt soooo bad, but are the most portable and compatible.
Sticks are the easiest for motions and easiest to customize. Moderate ergonomics.
If you play a charge character... you must play leverless. Leverless is also the most ergonomic but only moderately customizable.
A true master knows how to use all three.
Sajam runs so often through his hair.
What about the Frame1?
I'm making a leverless controller in a few days. Only problem is that USPS is REALLY taking their time bring it the parts. I'm losing it. The buttons are already in my city, they just decided to not send them today
Would always love you Sajam
I play on a Madcatz TE2+ with a leverless mod. Its great because i almost got DQed at EVO because I had a leverless controller.
i love the evo snack box but im certain you cant get it anymore which is a shame
Only thing i dont like about playing with leverless is that i just cant do standing 720s
Is there a chance that a cheap controller like that Haute t13 comes out that works natively with a ps5 in the near future? I dont want to risk the magicboot not working, but also dont want to spend 300$ on a kitsune or something...
Between sgt and haute42 for an absolute beginner, which should I go with?
Hey all, just wanted to comment that I went all out and bought the victrix leverless about a week after SF6 came out. Been playing primarily on my pad for decades, I have a stick but never gave it much of a chance, and didn’t like it that much. It’s also only ps4/pc compatible. Anyway. The victrix is godlike and easily one of the best things I’ve purchased video game wise maybe ever. Took me about 2/2.5 weeks to get used to it and I don’t ever want to go back to pad. Hadn’t played Tekken 7 since 2021ish and Nina is my main. Literally took me an hour and I was able to do some of her hardest combos.
If you have any interest at all about leverless (or stick for that matter) and you have the means to get one of these controllers…just do it. I regret not getting a hitbox years ago.
Honestly I feel like half circles r not so bad on hitbox once u get used to them like I’ve seen too goldlewis mains on it. isnt the hitbox the fastest controller to execute moves on?
Funny enough whenever I play strive or street fighter I prefer leverless. With my personal preference being the mpress due to the heft and size. I’d love to try the cross up. Especially for Tekken. Being able to switch to leverless on the fly. Would help for movement while on the other side
I've done 200+ hours on leverless, and I thought I had caught up to my stick abilities... Until I plugged my old stick back in and was able to do everything much, much more accurately. Leverless is not the huge buff some people think it is.
I find the snackbox micro to be a bit too small, really interested in the Mpress.
Cant we just have a software to keybind our keyboards?
I have the TSR:ACT Hypercube and love it. I have changed out the caps for gamerfinger button caps because I broke two of the right thumb caps in a week lol
** this is certainly a me thing and not the controller. It’s my first and I played slap bass back in the day 😂
I have been having a hard time getting one for my xbox lol. Thanks for the video I'll take a look at what you showed
same no love for xbox, so I went with the Snackbox Micro and it's been awesome. Might get the XL chassis though, hard to play without a table
The ergobox is like impossible to find, noone sells it and they didn’t even release the model when they stopped
Are most of the buttons on leverless controllers smaller than the standard arcade stick buttons?
What about things l ike mixboxes, where they imitate the WASD layout of a keyboard?
I really wish they made more mirrored ones.
What’s the best budget PS5 compatible one?
What is your feeling about the Cross|Up style?
I have the kitsune and love it, but I’d love a stick too anyone have any recommendations?? I know qanba hori etc
Wish there were some southpaw options out there, the only one ive found on my region was from aliexpress and that one had some messed inputs
Furin Arcade do custom leverless designs, including southpaw. There are customisation options to set when you buy from them - and if that doesn't have what you want, contact them to discuss further options. They're based in the UK, but rooflemonger has a customised one to suit his preference for more spread out hands (see his pad/stick/leverless comparison vid from last year), and I believe he's in NA. And they have reviews from USA customers, so I assume they ship internationally.
Can any of these be made Xbox compatible, or are they that by default bc of pc support? (I'm trying to learn Bryan on T8 but the d-pad on the series X controller is driving me NUTS)
Sorry if a stupid question but is there a difference between being PS5 compatible and being compatible with PS5 games? I bought one that works with my PS5 if I want to play old PS4 games, but can't use it to play PS5 games on my PS5. Is there another converter or device I need?
You can get mini snack boxes, steel boxes and such for UNDER $100. I bought a mini hitbox for $40.
I got the razer kitsune
Is there any way to use one on a 360? Extremely important to an MvC2 player that’s curious to experiment with a new style
Anyone know alternatives to the raindrop? interested in getting something at that size but would like to shop around
I feel like keyboard is way overlooked. I grew up playing MOBAs and MMORPGs, so it feels very natural for my left hand to be on the attack buttons with qwerasdf and then have the movement inputs on my right hand with the arrow keys.
movement with you right hand? you freak!
great video, enjoyed it fully. great opinions on controllers
Juste ordered a T16 today, i was streesed to check at your video review but hopefully only good points for me PC Player :D ! I might buy a Magic thing or Brook for PS5 compatibility in tournaments. What's the difference between those? Because Magic is cheaper than Brook.
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Could you do this for all ps5 compatible one?
Hello streamer,
I'm interested in buying a leverless controller. Which one should I buy?
Do you know any Xbox compatible ones because like I need it for Tekken 8
I have the Haute42 G16 and it's build quality is just unbelievable for how cheap it is (30ish GBP on sales)....unbelievable.... it's small, solid, light, responsive, GP2040-CE, full RGB, TWWWWWOOOOO usb-c ports on two different sides! Arrived pretty quickly in the UK. What more do you need?
Prices on even the snackbox micro are absurd. $220 usd for a bunch of buttons on a box? I find it hard to believe that thing costs more then $50 to manufacture
Its mostly the pcb that's to blame, its a complicated thing, it's essentially 80% of the price
gonna get the Victrix before I go down the leverless journey
I dont understand why they made the UP/JUMP button in that position for most hitbox, is there some laws or rules about it?? there should be more WASD ready made controller, I barely see one out of even big sites, I'm using a custom made WASD with 6 button on right side instead of 8, and 2 "action" button in the place of where they usually put JUMP/UP
Up is where your thumb would naturally be with a normal grip, so you use thumb to jump or press up. Imo it's a lot better for stuff like tiger knee or SPD inputs.
That said, it's subjective and there are definitely controllers out there if you prefer a WASD-style button layout. Some of the leverless pads have extra buttons that map to up by default and are located right above the down button, and some like the mixbox literally use WASD-shaped keycaps for movement.
wait, so leverless controller is just fancy keyboard?
AllFightStick was amazing for building a custom leverless. Can’t recommend them enough as they respond quick and nice, which was good for me as I needed help. Main advantage for me is the button layout is exactly what I want, and it’s semi-modular. The control panel is like $30 3D printed steel/aluminum so you can get a different one, if a standard hitbox or whatever isn’t working for you. Personally I wanted an adjusted Daigo layout and it works great. But if I wanted different art or a different layout, I can swap em. Plus it’s MINE, one-of-a-kind.
I've been dragging around my giant stick to locals for the last 8 years and have been thinking about picking up a leverless controller i can just slip in a bag. Didnt realize there were so many reasonably priced options, definitely gonna look to see if i can pick one up later!
Im new to fighting games, and throughout my whole life doing inputs on pad always felt weird, I decided to try leverless as Ive played a lot on PC and while sure there is still a learning curve, I can tell Ive had a huge improvement in my skill with it, feels very natural to me
I just got the smaller hautepad and it’s extremely cool for versatility and everything! My only complaint is that I wish the attack buttons were larger/spaced out a little more, it starts to feel very constricted after a little bit, and I even have fairly small hands.
I knew bro was Mr Beastfgc
I was not ready for the fking wizard orb 🤣