NTSB says plane fell apart mid-air before crashing near Reno
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- A medical flight that crashed near Reno, Nevada Saturday was en route to Salt Lake City, and the Utah-based company that operated the flight has had multiple other fatal crashes in recent years.
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Should never have been single pilot flight. Lost auto pilot in turbulence at night then he got into spatial disorientation due to work overload & overstressed the airframe causing it to break up in the air. With half a wing & the horizontal stabilizer missing it would have been in a violent spin on it's final steep decent. This could have been avoided with a two pilot ship but companies run by "shirts" don't want to spend the extra money. The final decision to fly in those conditions is up to the pilot, that decision could cost you your job or your life!
Just to be clear, we don't yet know that the sequence of events you describe is accurate. But single-pilot operation in those conditions is a risky venture. I wouldn't attempt it.
@@jeepgrinder5874 Looking at tracking, ATC coms, weather & only two corners of the AC being at the crash sight, I should have stated "this is my opinion". Make smart decisions so you can make it to retirement.
Couldn't agree more.Laws need to be implemented requiring two pilots in these conditions.
Personally, I doubt spatial disorientation. Extreme down/updrafts =AP disconnect and a hand flown recovery attempt until a breakup. Look at adsbexchange. He did 2 perfect 90's to try to avoid turb. This was a fight to the end with mother nature, which most likely resulted in a breakup THEN, a steep descending spiral path. Not CFIT. The 4 corners report should confirm breakup. 2 pilots probably would not make a difference. I don't see pilot error here. Simply my opinion. No offense.
@@DownTheRabbit-Hole How familiar are you with Spatial Disorientation? The ADSB data and his erratic and delayed responses w/ATC suggest classic spatial disorientation. I agree, he clearly made a manuever to avoid turbulence however when warned during taxi of “severe turbulence at all flight levels”, he only acknowledges it and never asks for possible work around. What competent pilot does that? When he deviates from SID, he never communicates w/ATC. In fact when ATC attempts to reach him, it takes 3 attempts before he responds.
This was a pilot clearly overwhelmed by the conditions. Will be very interesting to find his seat time in a PC12. A pilot in right seat to handle navigation and radios would have dramatically reduced workload in those conditions and I believe would have dramatically changed outcome of flight. This flight with this pilot was doomed before the wheels ever came up.
So very sad. Prayers to the families involved. Planes seem to be falling out of the sky every day. 😢
IMHO - Loss of spatial awareness due to weather and subsequent loss of control aggravated by undetected and/or non-removed airframe ice accumulation. Inflight breakup more likely due to excessive stresses on the airframe after departure from controlled flight; not structural defect or turbulence. Weather conditions may have exceeded capabilities of single pilot and ice accumulation may have exceeded the abilities of prop, engine, and airframe ice protection equipment. Very sad. Sometimes as a pilot you just have to say no.
Thank you. I’m so tired of people saying the plane fell apart and that’s what caused the crash. I worked as a nurse with that pilot and he was an amazing man. Also work for this company and safety is a priority for them. It was a VERY UNFORTUNATE, VERY SAD day. These are plausible speculations that lay man don’t understand. I wish the media wouldn’t prepare scare tactics…it makes patients fear transport.
There’s zero evidence icing contributed to this incident. ADSB data shows aircraft’s climbing performance from RNO, where plane was hangared prior to flight, was uncompromised. Most importantly after aircraft rerouted south from the SID, it’s climb rate was 750fpm for nearly 2 minutes. At very end, just prior to the sharp right banking he was climbing at over 1500fpm. This likely led to aerodynamic stall.
Based on ADSB data, appears APU was engaged early, aircraft followed SID. At just prior to 10 minutes, APU disengaged, either by aircraft or pilot. This is solely for speculation but I’m guessing it was APU that disengaged itself due to turbulence. ATC warned pilot of severe turbulence at all flight levels while taxiing. It’s possible pilot disengaged due to turbulence and was seeking an alternate route around turbulence. I don’t think this is as plausible since he had no communication w/ATC strategising a way around. In fact when notified of severe turbulent air, he only acknowledged the update, never inquired of alternate heading to avoid or mitigate the issue. He also had an incident immediately after his departure from SID where ATC had to make 3 attempts to reach him before he responded.
Its very obvious from ADSB data tail section was overstressed during the spiral, it was located only 3/4 mile from impact supporting fact it failed well after initial spiral descent. This flights’ end was decided before it ever reached V1. The pilot communication w/ATC from the ground and all subsequent responses indicate he was flying behind aircraft and was completely overwhelmed by the conditions. Classic spatial disorientation. The party at fault is clearly the air ambulance. 4 major incidents since 2019, 3 were fatalities with loss of aircraft. Have to think they’ll be shutdown by insurance carrier. If not, hopefully NTSB pulls their ticket. I’d further like to see all Part 135 flights into IMC be mandated 2-pilot missions.
Yes it fell apart because he exceeded the VNE speed, likely ripping off the stabiilizer
@@pamelahardy6855 The media rarely reports aviation related stories accurately because that would undermine their objectives which are not the pursuit of truth, but profiting from tragedy.
“Fell apart” isn’t really correct. Structural failure due to over stressing the airframe.
Correct
But clickbait sells.
Spatial disorientation of the pilot resulting in loss of control of the aircraft causing an over "G" on the air frame(break up).Single pilot in IMC conditions at night is a tall order for just one pilot.Corporate greed is to blame here IMO.Two pilots must be required when flying in these conditions,laws need to be changed.These types of accidents can be prevented,everyone would still be alive.Very sad,T`s & P`s.
Why did that plane take off in that weather? What emergency medical treatment CAN be obtained in SLC that CANNOT in Reno during a blizzard at night???
Media makes it sound like there was something wrong with the airplane and that it simply fell apart. The real story is that the airframe was overstressed due to PF likely suffering spatial disorientation in IMC. If you look at the ADSb data the airplane left the assigned flight path and the speed and altitude became unstable before the final spiral descent at an incredible vertical rate. The horizontal stabilizer and elevators were found some distance from the fuselage, as was the outer section of the right wing. Airplanes have a maximum operating airspeed that should not be exceeded in order to prevent overstressing the airframe and ripping the craft apart in flight. The "CAUSE" was likely the loss of stable flight due to PF disorientation (IMC conditions and potential fatigue potentially contributing) and their rapid vertical movements and subsequent violation of operating speed limits. The likely "RESULT" was the plane coming apart and falling out the sky. Decision to fly in IMC should not be taken lightly by ANY pilot regardless of hours/experience.
This is an assumption. It could just as easily be some aircraft or instrumentation malfunction or a departure from controlled flight due to ice accretion and pilot-induced structural overload during the recovery attempt.
@@redbird444 True - something did happen that appears to have turned off or disabled AP and then aircraft departed straight course heading. (Did you look at the ADSb data and recorded flight path with speed and rate of climb/sink data?) Once off of assigned heading altitude became somewhat uncontrolled as you might see in hand flying in IMC leading to pilot induced structural overload. My point was that media made it seem like plane just fell apart... something made that happen.
My ex, the pilot, always got so angry when people spoke of the possibility of a plane's wings falling off. He was positive it couldn't happen.
That reporter was absolutely disgusting. She was so excited to be on camera that she almost seemed happy talking about how 5 people lost their lives. She is absolutely disgusting
My condolences to the families of those lost. So tragic.
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Flying single pilot IFR in this type of weather conditions is very important to stay was ahead of any situation that can happen to anyone. I’m saddened to learn that 5 lives were lost. Prayers goes out for the families and friends.
Plane probably did not fall apart more likely it broke apart due to high stresses during the rapid decent......
I'm sure no politician was involved in the roll back of regulations that could have prevented this. Regulations should not be treated as suggestions or 'if you wanna,' type order from mom or dad.
Regulations cut both ways and I'm sick of people looking for easy fixes to complex problems. Regulations can just as easily CAUSE more problems. And regulations are often favored by whales who use them to just to cut out competition thus making medical care unaffordable...which also causes suffering. The real fix, we need leaders who actually care about the people. Its that simple yet that's not likely to happen in my lifetime.
Very sad events. Lost a brother and sister-in-law to a winter storm near Mesa, AZ in 91. It's really hard. The FAA report very clearly stated that their plane never should have taken off. My condolences to the family members.
Their departure weathere conditions were not something I would enjoy flying, but well within legal and aircraft's capabilites. Where is this FAA report you cite? They typically take a year to come out.
@@gwyoung3509 The accident happened in 1991
It's all about money. Two pilots would have made a difference.
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No, it did not FALL apart! He pulled the airplane apart!
Over speed=over stressed=I flight break up.
So sad.
😢😢😢
Maybe the snow storm stalled the engine out and caused a flat spin. Watch the video " surviving a flat spin in style: Chuck Yeager and the F-104 " . If there is now plowed area and what's left of the planes is in one spot then it didn't skid untill it stopped it hit flat. Plus being a civilian plane the weaker wing surfaces would possible break of in mid air during the flat spin cause by engine failure and the plane stalling. I would think the pilot would have tried over and over to restart the engine. If the engine was full of ice and snow it could have prevented it from being restarted and cause the engine failure and stall.
They were flying during this storm 😞😞 💔 rip to everyone
Guardian pushes crews to fly. To say no is to end your career.
Maybe it ends their career with them but there's lots of options and every pilot is accountable
Check those laser from norad for weather?
My condolences
Are lack of adequate air craft inspections a big part of the problem?
NO,THEY GET INSPECTED EVERY YEAR
@@robertd7073actually they get inspected every 100 hours if it is for hire
@@Dont_Think_Do_Films True, 100 hour inspections and annual inspections.
When you forget to pressurize the cabin.
Conative abilities drastically reduced.
Pilot passed out plane went into spiraling dive the pilot or another attempted to take control of the aircraft.
Improper recovery overstressed airframe and pieces broke off.
The plane came out of a hanger the pilot was extremely confused on the ground.
This is what happens when Canon falter is part of your business plan.
They don't call you crazy wayne for nothin'!
@@DownTheRabbit-Hole Very funny!!
Spatial disorientation and turbulence in wintery conditions .Shouldn’t of flown in the first place. Condolences to the families.❤❤❤
To a non-pilot layperson, it sounds as if some government or hospital body keeps using this flight company, even though it appears that company has a bad safety record, probably for cost-cutting reasons that allow them to charge less. Our hospitals and governments should care more about us than to entrust us to a murderous company.
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As an experienced EMS/PC-12 Pilot, I have flown in varying kinds of icing conditions. However, no airplane is certified to fly in severe icing conditions. Pilot discretion used to determine how long to stay in moderate or less icing conditions. Preflight deice boot check in this airplane must include two complete cycles (my experience speaking, not the flight manual). Upper right horizontal boots tend to have pinholes in them before any other boots. Boots that are continuously cleaned and dressed will shed ice, but dirty boots do not shed ice and ice "bridging" can and will occur. NTSB will say otherwise. Ice forming beyond the boot surface, most times will stay on the wing (top and bottom) unless finding warmer air. My climb speed in icing was at least 160KIAS so ice would not form under the wing. As long as the pilot respects the aerodynamics of the airplane and the conditions flown into, it will always be a great form of transportation.
Maybe they should include parachute training for medical flight crews and parachutes. Plus restrictions on flighing in snow, ice, wind, and rain storms.