When Joker said "it's far too late for that" he said it so normally that it literally sounded like there was still a slight bit of humanity still inside of him. That's whats interesting
Every single time I hear the Joker say that it makes me feel so sad. Like, what could make someone get to that point and realize there's no coming back?
In some ways, _I_ like to believe there still was or is. That there's just a bit of humanity left, but even that side knows it's faaar too late to turn back 'round. He went too far over the edge, and he knows it. In some ways, that does make him sane. In other ways, it doesn't
I believe you didn't exactly understand the video. Batman and joker were the two people joker mentioned in his story. Batman is actually the more messed up one. When joker stopped laughing actually batman choked him to death.
But Batman wasn't really laughing because he thinks it's funny. That whole story was about Batman not wanting things to continue. So he's just trying to give the joker what he wants.
Mr_StephenB I agree, it was nice to see the Joker drop his mask for a bit and act like a normal person. It somehow ends the film on a satisfactory note.
The joke is essentially an 1st insane man (Batman) reaching out to a 2nd insane man (Joker) offering him his hand in assistance (the beam of light = rehabilitation) and the 2nd one not trusting it, not because the offer itself is insane (beam of light cannot be walked on = rehabilitation won't work) but because 2nd man can't trust the 1st man offerring it because the 1st man is also insane. Batman laughs because its not only clever but he recognizes that he's a bit insane too so its a relatively true analogy, and therefore, his offer is insane, twice so from Joker's perspective
He is still that man, hes just very distrusting of society and doesn't give an inch of its approach. I dont think he hates batman, hes sees hes a good person. But also knows like Joker, Batman is wearing a mask like him. They are both similar but poler opposites of the coin.
I like that he apologized with his refusal, like deep down, there was a part of him that was grateful that Batman offered to help him, and that after all these years of them fighting, he was able to appreciate that Batman was still willing to give him a chance to redeem himself, and that part of him wanted to accept it.
Without Kevin Conroy🦇 I don't think Mark Hamill will never continue doing the Joker🃏ever again it sends to all of us they'll always be the greatest Duo between Batman and Joker 😔😔😔
Why do crimes need a punchline? I'm so confused. Country with a high crime rate = instant shame. A family member committing a crime = instant shame. Why do you need punchline for crimes? It's like you're glorifying doing heroine.
@@The_Lesser_Evilit's a quote from a tv show both actors stared in! It's without spoiling it great and you should watch it. There is no deeper meaning to this
This was downright powerful. It's also somewhat sobering to see the Joker like this, to see him contemplating for half a second the outstretched hand of Batman, to realize that he is far too gone and that they may have had the chance one to be normal, but they are too far gone.
I also think the joke suggests a lot about Joker's psychological state - Batman is trying to help him, but Joker is unable to trust that anyone would really help him. (That is, he's the crazy guy that believed the other would turn off the flashlight).
the point of the joke is not just about the missing trust. The joker realizes, that even if he would trust batman, the plan is still a useless "bridge of light"
I think this is the first time I see the Joker acting so... serious and genuine to anyone. Like if he was talking to Batman like a brother. And what's crazy is that in that scene, when Joker recognizes he is far beyond saving, this time he says it like if it really hurts him
@@Themis419 Insanity isn't defined by the awareness of it. That's not how mental health works. It is just a diagnosis. Your mind is fully capable of understanding itself, while still having no control over it.
I'm pretty sure it only hurts him because he's _actually_ that obsessed with Batman, and he's finally realizing that Batman's serious and not just "pretending" that Joker might change. Like, Joker actually thought that he was Batman's best entertainment, and now that he's realizing what he actually wants, his mind goes from "gee, what a great friend I am" to "shit, what a bad friend I am." But he's spent so many years doing this that he might as well stick with it. More fun anyways.
the problem with joker is that he got turned into the joker by society. he wasnt born crazy. he got turned crazy. life just endlessly ruthlessly told him he can go fuck himself. joker isnt crazy. he just freed himself from the shackles of society. he turned into himself.
@@sollitdude1 "He freed himself from the shackles of society, he turned into himself" That right there shows that Joker is actually the sane one and everyone around him is crazy
Ikr, I mean he can be a decent person at a point when theres something huge coming up. And the fact that he sometimes even fears other characters in some comics makes him seem not too crazyish
@@morbster6520 it only depends which comic you are reading. there was a one when joker bluffed cutting every batfamily's face and making batman eat them. then it turns out he actually cut his own face skin.
@@Mythraen one of the sad parts about this is that the camera pans down at the end and joker stops laughing because Batman kills him. That joke that Joker told was the one the helped batman understand there was no saving him.
@@ibisiii3526 Yes, i think it's the correct one. Also, Joker is probably afraid of betrayal. I mean, it's batman. What he is going to do by "reabiliating" him. Throw him in the Arkham once again? What if in the end he finds out joker cannot be normal again? He is going to turn the light off? Forget him in a looney bin forever? Perhaps when you lost all hope like joker the only thing that you fear is having hope again and having to start from absolute zero and climb all the way to normalcy again
there is a teory that bats and joker are the same person. The whole story of batman was in imagination of that lunatic which lived in the Asylum because he gone mad after his loss in childhood.
ScaredRed laughed infront of Harley, she had him tied up upside down over a tank of piranhas (so it looked like the fish were smiling) his laugh scared her. think bats was laughing at how the joker would react to finding out it being one of her traps that finally catches him and not his.
This is my favourite scene Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy have ever done together. They're both the definitive voice actors for the two. Absolute legends. Rest in peace Kevin.
the point of the joke is a metaphor. Batman went through a similar situation, but he had alfred and other people to help him (similar to how batman got to gordon before he went completely insane and nilhisitc so he still had hope, jason lost hope and fell for it and to a certain point still isn't completely with batman and will freely murder anyone who gets in his way) and so he's trying to help the joker but he's scared of it failing or him ending up worse and so batman tries helping him with a ridiculous and crazy idea (the flashlight as a bridge) and the joker is paranoid of him leaving him or abandoning him part way through and breaking him further instead of actually helping him regardless of how ridiculous the cure or idea is
Short version: There is no helping the joker and even if the joker could walk across a beam of light with Batmans help he knows he wouldn't make it all the way. But yeah read the above its an awesome insight.
It's also supposed to suggest that Batman might be just as mad as the Joker, I mean if you think about it from a strictly objective standpoint, a billionaire running around in a batsuit fighting crime on his own is NUTTY. The overriding theme of the film is that all it takes is one bad day for a good person to snap. Joker went mad but accepted it, but is trying to get Batman to see that he's snapped too on the day his parents were killed, but hiding behind this self-righteous notion that his actions are in the name of "justice." Him laughing at Joker's... well, joke at the end is supposed to also suggest that he may have finally realized in that moment that they're both the same, or at least very similar.
"so he's trying to help the joker but he's scared of it failing or him ending up worse and so batman tries helping him with a ridiculous and crazy idea (the flashlight as a bridge)" I don't quite get this bit, could you elaborate a bit more please?
It is if you understand the Joke the first guy who jumped over was batman the second guy was joker but he knows that there is no hope if he crosses just darkness
@@manuelbes the author never revealed what was the original intention, however it's heavilly implied if you look at the graphic novel instead of the movie
Because it is. He only laughed once before, and it was a fake one to get Harley to lose all of her confidence. This time, it was real and was because he was driven to the brink of sanity. Batman killed the Joker right after, meaning Batman lost and the Joker won.
This was the moment where Batman realized he couldn't win. He couldn't beat Joker. Joker refused help; he'd never see the futility of trying to break Batman. So, he laughed. Even if he didn't kill Joker here, he still lost because he laughed. He gave into the absurdity.
Gav Bond the jokers laugh is soothing and relatable, because he truly finds everything in this ridiculous world hilarious and accepts that. Batmans laugh is one of a man that is losing himself despite a long and arduous battle against insanity, which feels more threatening than anything.
It's hits hard knowing that Joker acknowledged what Batman says as an actual offer, he even apologises and declines because he know it won't end well. I mean he could have really done the generic villain thing and kick him in the balls or something, but the writers took this moment seriously.
Theory is (and it makes more sense in the comic version) he broke his neck when he reached his hand out & put it on his shoulder. It makes the most sense to me.
the shaft of light that a flashlight produces is sometimes called a 'beam' a 'beam' is also a support structure by using the term 'beam' in relationship to the flashlight, this gives a segue into using the term for the support structure, too. therefore, turning the 'beam' off would make him fall the irony is that a flashlight beam is made of light i'm a little dead inside now
I pity their relationship... been fighting all the way to old age and when they want to stop, both knows they've passed the point of no return... one has to die for both to be at peace 😢
There is more too it then that. The Joker and Batman are fixed universal points. They have to be in opposition of each other, two sides of the same coin. Without Batman, Joker has no purpose, without Joker, Batman has no perspective.
He says it because Batman is one of the only people he has some form of respect for, and he can tell Bats is serious. I think he genuinely was sorry that he couldn’t give his greatest rival what he wanted in the end: the chance to redeem someone just like himself.
Super Vegito actually Batman kills him because the joke was implying that halfway through the treatment the joker would go back insane so when Batman understood the joke he decided to kill him and laugh wit him here I will copy and paste the explanation
I think its too late for joker because his wife and child is dead and when he noticed his clown face. The only way he would ever return to his old self if his wife and child suddenly came back to life or never died in the first place and were kidnapped, but I highly doubt that will happen. He tries to bury bad memories, but they always have a way of coming back even if you don't want them to and I know for a fact if he saw his wife and child alive those memories would come back even if he didn't want them to.
@GamingGreen21 Doesn’t matter what he did to you. You’re alive, and as long as you have your days, time will heal you. Don’t give up on people. Or yourself. Keep trudging along, no matter how painful or sad it is. Time is a powerful thing.
Two sides of the story, both lost the people they loved the most, one decided to make everyone feel his pain, the other one decided to make sure no one feels the way he did. Two sides of a coin. You either go insane or become a hero.
Making people laugh is all the Joker ever wanted. In stand-up comedy, your biggest adversary isn't the hecklers, rather the person who sits quietly in the front row and never even cracks a smile for your entire routine. This person becomes simultaneously your nemesis and biggest goal. To the Joker, for obvious reasons, this was Batman. And the more stoic Batman was, the more desperate Joker became. So when Batman laughs at the joke, he unwittingly really does help the Joker heal.
What’s interesting about the joke is that both lunatics represent Batman and the Joker. The gap represents healing/facing your fears and the other end is acceptance and being fully recovered. The first lunatic (Batman) succeeds in going across and is healed, the second lunatic however (Joker) is afraid to jump over as he believes the gap is too far to make ei, believes that he can’t be healed but when Batman says he’ll shine the light across (help him rehabilitate) joker believes that Batman will just leave him halfway through and watch him descend back into madness (turn off the torch off to watch him fall)
In addition, I think Joker is also implying that rehabilitation isn’t going to help him and the “walking across the beam of light” analogy is a testament to how absurd that notion is. He thinks that if they go through with it, Batman will just give up halfway because nothing works.
I like how the guy made it across is batman, the guy afraid of falling is joker, the asylum is their depression and light beam from the flashlight is represented as Batman's offer for help joker. No matter how much batman wants to help joker, he would still fall and it would be impossible for him to cross
I love how Joker was actually the first one to stop laughing insinuating Batman either creeped even him out because of how long he was laughing or that he killed him.
In the comics, Batman kills joker here. He starts choking him and then snap his neck. It's implied here too, because joker doesn't immediately stop,but his laugh turns into a sort of wheeze sound like he can't get the air out
Little do you know that's how the joker dies. At the hand of batsman at the end. They made it a little more subtle in the movie compared to the comic. But that's why it's just batsman laughing at the end, and not the joker when the camera pans down.
The joke is such a clever and gut-wrenching way to portray how truly tragic being “insane” is. The first guy jumps across, no problem. The second guy is afraid; he can’t do it, not because he’s insane, but because he’s human. When the first guy shines the light, it’s his attempt to help the second guy cross the gap, one human helping another. The second guy refuses to cross, not because the light bridge is preposterous, but because he doesn’t trust his friend, which is yet another very normal and relatable thing to do. Of course, it doesn’t matter how much Guy 2 trusts Guy 1, because flashlights can’t make bridges. Living with severe mental conditions that alter perception is exactly like that. Everyone has to deal with things like being afraid of heights and not being able to trust others. It’s just how life is. However, it’s downright impossible to get through those struggles of life when your perception of reality is fundamentally and drastically different from other people, which is why people with conditions that alter perception just can’t have the same freedoms other people have without risk to themselves and others. It’s horrible and unfair, and it’s why our mental institutions and the general attitudes we harbor towards people with these conditions desperately need to change; it’s implied that Batman kills Joker, and I believe that it’s because that’s the only way to truly free him from the constant cycle of Arkham Asylum, an underfunded and miserable place that will never be enough to make Joker well. Fantastic scene.
ThyXatu before joker had a life before he got fucked up. nobody laughed at his shit tho and so he got into some shit and became the joker yea. nobody else would laugh at his jokes.
I think Batman was the one who jumped. Notice that joker did not say they wanted to escape because they were not crazy, they were just tired of being there. Both batman and joker are crazy but they understand something has to change. They try to escape thier normallity. As they see the perfect way out, with a long easy way for one, but a tough, scary and dangerous way for the other, they notice the hardships for them. So as batman jumps, he notices its easy and that he with his abilities, can do it but the joker stays back because he is scared of the way to "freedom". Its easy for one but not for him. So as batman "shows" him a way to do it, knowing he will not make it and die, joker doesnt do it. Not because of the crazy insane method batman is telling him, but because he doesnt trust him. He knows if it were the other way around, he would turn off the flashlight.
I too think that Batman is the guy who jumped first. But to me it's that Joker is implying that both Batman and Joker are crazy. Or rather that both of their lives are 'bent out of shape' - as Batman said about Joker's life. And so, Batman believes that he can help Joker ('I can rehabilitate you'), but he doesn't realise that his life is just as bad as Joker's - he doesn't realise he's as fucked up as him. And it's Batman on the roof trying to help Joker by shining the flashlight, not realising that his offer of trying to help is irrational. I think Joker sees the absurdity of Batman's proposal to rehabilitate him. And then there's the other guy on the roof, and since he too is crazy, he doesn't see the craziness of the first guy's proposal and simply doesn't trust him and that's why he's not trying to walk on the beam. But you know, since Joker is telling Batman this joke, he must realise that he is like that second guy on the roof, but not exactly like him. And that's why I like Joker a lot - he has distance to the situation and largely sees himself for who he truly is. Anyway, that's weird.
Watter Watt yeahhh didnt think of it that way but I think that's what the author thought when putting that joke in the end. Nice to read that people put thought into that ending joke and why it's important to Batman and Joker. You're a smart man :)
Joker implies he doesn't trust him to help him. Because his joke was a symbol of him and Batman escaping insanity, but in the joke the guy refused the other's help besucase he doesn't trust him. That symbolism is used for this situation. So, then, why?
Androo Gnoix The story was about was one guy who escaped his madness and insanity(batman) and another who didn't because he knew that he would never be sane again(joker)
The opposite could also be said. The fact that the first guy also believed the ray of light would work as a bridge means he's still quite insane. Joker accepts his madness, and he does so without reservation; e.g. he lept across the gap. Batman, meanwhile, continues to deny his own insanity; e. g. he did not make the leap back to the real world, instead remaining at least partially in the delusion that he's sane.
Joker understand the joke he's telling, or he wouldn't be telling it. He doesn't think that Batman is trying to trick him, but the joke is it doesn't matter either way because Batman is the one he considers delusional, offering a beam of light to walk on, as if the Joker, after all he did, could ever be a normal human being again. Batman believes he is capable of helping people like the Joker, and that's what makes him the most insane out of anyone.
Both of the inmates in the joke are crazy, and how can you trust a crazy person to rehabilitate you? Batman and Joker have the same problems with life, and both deal with it in extreme ways. Batman's solution to life is just a shot in the dark, like anyone else's. After all, it's impossible to walk on a beam of light, even if the other inmate doesn't turn it off, you'll always fall unless you can jump.
Notice how Joker's laugh ends much earlier than Batman's. And notice how Batman places his hands on him as the camera pans down. There's a popular theory that Batman snaps his neck as they both realize there will never be an end to it until the other acts.
Jay Love not true at all, Alan Moore wrote this story, and it was always meant to be up to the reader to interpret it from the original comic, although this adaptation seems to feel that killing is the better outcome.
@@tH3n3M3s1zz Actually there's no real evidence that Joker died. It's only ever been implied that Batman finally decided to kill Joker, but never proven
@@bigaust4487 sometimes the comics are different from the movies/animations. For example in the Injustice Movie Flash dies while in the comics he’s still alive
@@DRIP_DIO Not to mention that Joker still regularly appeared in comics after TKJ came out, so if he did permanently die, wouldn't he have stopped reappearing?
I love it when these two are depicted as humans. They don't always need to be deep tragic figures, but they should feel like people. I don't like how modern depictions often show these two as the embodiment of chaos and some unshakable symbol of justice. It reduces the characters down to their bare minimum
Well... In the comic version... (Spoiler Alert: Read the comic, "The Killing Joke," & you will agree it was an hour & a half well spent.) ...It's ambiguous, but implied that the Batman kills Joker here, right before the cops get to them. In the comic, Batman is laughing because he's decided he can't fix the Joker. It's ambiguous because you only see Batman reaching for Joker's neck after he's started laughing. But the camera pans away, and you see a symbolism that expresses the bridge the Joker could have taken to be better/different is no longer made available by Batman.
Avatar Bro I belive that the joke is a metafor for thier situation. Batman (the 1.guy) wanna help the Joker, with rehab (the lightbeam), but Joker(guy n.2) sees how stupid his plan is and refuses him. The 12 sec for Batman is the time he needed to understand, that the jole is adout thier situation. And when he finally understands, he realises, how stupid his plan was. This is why he start laughing
They're both insane basically is what the Joker is saying, you can't walk across a beam of light, the other is insane for suggesting, and the other is insane for believing it..."what do you think I am crazy?" That's the joke they literally both are crazy..there's no getting out for them. It's just a basic joke that represents them both but clever however you look at it
Also the fact that he's crazy enough to think it would work, but that the only sense of sanity is manifested again as a mental illness - his paranoia, and that that he'd be betrayed xD
The joke is a symbol...Batman is the first lunatic, having escaped the "asylum" which is a symbol for madness...He lost his parents but decided to fight crime instead of perpetuating it. And the Joker is the second lunatic...Batman tries to help him but he thinks he will be betrayed, because his perspective is flawed and it is "far too late", ie. His madness is rampant and cannot be helped.
It’s not a joke it’s a story of how he escaped.. he turned off the flash light. It’s in the comic.... stop reading shit into something or read the comics.
That is what's implied in the joke. The inmate that wanted to help the second one to get across the gap is even crazier than the first one (representing the joker) because Batman actually believed he could rehabilitate the joker.
thats the point of the joke i believe,Batman laughed because he realized he was the other escaped mental patient shining light across the gulf thinking it would carry his partner across,
the inmate who wants to shine the light over is batman,the inmate that doesn't trust his friend to cross the beam of light is the joker,they are both crazy and that is why the joke i think made batman realize that
In case anybody didn't understand I can explain the scene, the joke is a metaphor about the reason why the Joker can't trust Batman, and why he will never stop trying to fight him. Essentially, using his joke, the Joker tells Batman he believes they are both crazy, and that he knows that Batman has been made crazy by the world and it's unfairness just like the Joker has. Batman, in this joke, is the first guy to jump across the gap of the rooftops and onto the other ledge, onto freedom, onto sanity, and onto becoming a kind and caring person again, leading him to become Batman. The Joker is the second guy, who is scared to make that leap, he's scared that he's too far gone, that he's gotten too comfortable being the Joker, being crazy, and that if he tries to become civilized again, he won't be able to, which is why the joke is so perfect. The last part of the joke, where the first man, or Batman, tells the second man, or the Joker, "I have a flashlight, I can light the beam stretching across the gaps and you can come with me", it is basically referencing what Batman just told the Joker seconds ago, and what Batman has been trying to achieve with the Joker ever since the beginning, that Batman wants to help Joker leave his broken, insane self behind and be rehabilitated, and then Joker explains, that due to fear, and probably because he knows he can never go back to trusting people again, he refuses to follow Batman on his path, and would rather die, or in the joke "stay in the asylum" than trust him, even if only for a moment. And then Batman, realising he was right, and realising once and for all he would never win against the Joker, finally did the unthinkable, and broke his one unbreakable rule, giving Joker the victory he's always wanted. P.S - The fact that the Joker finally "wins" over Batman is also signified by the fact that Batman finally, and for the only time in history, could understand and laugh along with the Joker. The Joker "won" not only because he made Batman finally break his one and only rule, but because he finally made Batman see things his way. He finally got Batman to laugh at the ridiculousness of their situation along with him. It's truly such a symbolic moment in so many great ways that I had to share the true meaning of this masterful scene with everyone. I also highly recommend reading the original graphic novel this cartoon was based on, of the same title (The Killing Joke). I'm sure the cartoon is great, but the writing and artwork is sure to have changed when adapting the original into a cartoon, and nothing beats the original.
HOLY FUCK! I haven;t ever watched these kinds of shows,, but I can't believe this scene has such a deep meaning, its unbelievable. I was shocked when I read your comment, thanks for sharing!
You know...in this one moment...this one, heartbreaking, emotional moment...you realize just how much Batman and Joker have in common. Like Joker, Batman had a really...really bad day. The day Bruce lost his parents really put a big deal of misery in his life. But then he used his greatest fear to punish the evil that took their lives. He used the night. He became the night. He fixed his own life by bringing hope to a city ruined by centuries of crime and corruption. And when he met Joker, he saw something in him that nobody else saw: not a homicidal maniac or a crazed clown. What Batman saw in Joker was someone who had a bad day and lived so long alone with his back turned on society...that he felt like society is not worth shit. The real reason why Joker inflicts so much misery and destruction on innocent people was that he wants them to know the same misery they inflicted on him many years ago. Joker is a criminal, yes, but he's also a broken soul who had a really bad day...and was driven to the brink of madness because of it. The fact that Batman offered to help him be a better man...that shows just how much Batman wants to help someone who's went through the same rough patches as him.
He wanted to see salvation happen for someone like himself. To see someone else who had a really, really bad day be rescued from the brink of total despair. And that’s why in this scene, Batman does not actually win. That’s why he laughs. Because it’s the only thing he has left to give the Joker in the end.
Ok but one bad day is just an oversimplification over him being dealt a bad hand from the very start. His life was shit before he had that “bad day” so saying it’s the effect of one bad day (depending on the severity of that bad day) does not turn everyone into Jokers. That’s the difference with comfortable people who have a bad day and people who suffer more like joker having a bad day.
@@charlottea.cavatica1696 no doubt that empathy, compassion, manners, boundaries and other things are the foundation for a healthy life and good principles to live by for your fellow man and woman. But what if you should be on the other end of it when you really need it the most from another soul, but are met with stares and cruel looks for not being "strong enough to handle the heat", what then should come of it if you were the person brought so low as to be deemed avoidable by society? Batman, had Alfred, joker had nobody... And this is how horrible things are born. Watch what happens when a serial killer is told, "I forgive you, for the murder of my child." He folds, and cries in the court room. All the other victims family members jeered him like he was a monster. He is a monster, but whether it is passed through genetics, or learned behavior, his mind was carved indirectly by the type of people who call him monster. I call it, the cyclical crisis. If you want to help the world in any way. Ask yourself this question: how am I a monster? I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable but the more you discover about yourself, for better or for worse, the more weird or awkward the world sees you. I know this from experience. I want to share with you an ancient African proverb that applies to this situation. "If a child grows into an adult having never felt loved or included in his village, he may infact burn the village just to feel a little warmth."
Roxi Ranger Basically the joke is that when the other crazy guy says “What do you think I am, crazy?!” you’d think that we was referring to how crazy and stupid the crazy guy with he flashlight is, but nope he too thought he could walk on light Not only that, but the joke is symbolic of Batman and Joker’s relationship
@@MrTheil no, it's basically this - Two guys locked up in a lunatic asylum - Batman & Joker are in Arkham Asylum and they escape to the rooftops to freedom. First guy jumps across no problem - Batman Second guy is afraid of falling - Joker - afraid of falling into a decent of madness/insanity First guy - "I've got a flashlight, I can shine it across the gaps and you can walk on the light" - Batman basically trying to rehabilitate Joker from becoming what he does in the Arkham games and animated series Second guy - "What do ya think I am, crazy? You'll only go and turn it off when I'm halfway across!" - Joker expressing his disbelief in Batman's promise and that he will decend/fall into madness as Batman turns the light off (which actually happens in the comic, at the last frame, it shows a police car with it's headlights on but it turns off soon after which means that Joker had already fallen into madness) despite Batman saying he will rehabilitate and help Jack.
@@TheFunnyDictator why? WHY?! The dude has done a bunch of irreversible and unforgivable damage throughout his insanity that even if he did change, only a few would forgive him while the rest will try and kill him or make him suffer for all he has done
@@RWSfan2024 And even if Joker could SOMEHOW be saved, he'd be a sane man forever wrecked by the unforgivable and heinous actions he committed. He would have to live with everything he's done for the rest of his life and to be honest, he probably would kill himself. There's no saving someone like the Joker, even he knows it.
You can help a depressed or schizo person, but not someone who is totally messed up and has mental illness/personality disorders like he's trying to catch em all
For anyone who missed the meaning of the joke, the guy shining the flashlight legitimately would not turn off the flashlight and thinks it would work. The guy who is afraid of falling also legitimately thinks it would work but is suspicious that the other would betray him. In both cases they are both sincere, but the inmate would fall to his death anyway because the light can't support him (obviously). The allegory is that both batman and the joker are insane. Batman legitimatly wants to help the joker and the joker wants to be helped but is too afraid of betrayal to allow himself to be helped. But it doesn't matter either way because they are both insane, and an insane person can't help another insane person become sane so it would fail. No matter which one of them gave in, it would end up the same, with batman failing to help the joker.
Love this scene in the comic. Especially the very ending.. Batman grabs joker while laughing looking kinda devilish and demonic. The last three panels. You can see the ground with the water. On the water you can see a reflection of light. It looks like the beam of light of the flashlight. In the very last panel the light is suddenly gone. It's dark. Batman turned off the flashlight. It's a shame this movie missed this essential and symbolic part.
" i dont want to hurt you" "i dont want either of us to end up killing the other" "but were running outta alternatives" batman implied to stop this one of them would end up killing the other. He gave the joker one last alternative but he refused it and batman knew at that point he would have to kill him. its sad but obvious at the same time something i never thought i see
Joker was no more likely to step down than batman was, flip the table and the outcome would remain. You make your bed and you sleep in it, if for no other reason than it's your own.
Fresca Demente I have read everything about this comic and THAT was something I didn't think of before.. this is why D.C. Comics will always be 1000x better than marvel And why batman will always be the best
in the original comic the theory was batman snapped his neck but that comic is still canon so thats impossible but this movie is not cannon in any timeline so it is possible here
Batman doesn't kill him. The ending is 100% ambiguous and if I remember correctly Moore simply intended it as a laugh between friends or some such, nothing malicious behind it.
When Joker said "it's far too late for that" he said it so normally that it literally sounded like there was still a slight bit of humanity still inside of him. That's whats interesting
Every single time I hear the Joker say that it makes me feel so sad. Like, what could make someone get to that point and realize there's no coming back?
In some ways, _I_ like to believe there still was or is.
That there's just a bit of humanity left, but even that side knows it's faaar too late to turn back 'round.
He went too far over the edge, and he knows it.
In some ways, that does make him sane. In other ways, it doesn't
Just one bad day. Or not. His past is multiple choice, and that's the way he likes it.
I believe you didn't exactly understand the video.
Batman and joker were the two people joker mentioned in his story.
Batman is actually the more messed up one.
When joker stopped laughing actually batman choked him to death.
Maybe Joker actually feels so bad about what he's done he thinks he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Batman can laugh and the Joker can actually take something serious? Two sides of two epic characters I've never seen before.
IKR
True
But Batman wasn't really laughing because he thinks it's funny. That whole story was about Batman not wanting things to continue. So he's just trying to give the joker what he wants.
A fake laugh is not a laugh.
Your my best friend. Real or not? LOL! Does it matter that I said it? LOL!
It's the fact the Joker has a serious conversation with Batman for once and although it was brief it was a really great moment.
Mr_StephenB I agree, it was nice to see the Joker drop his mask for a bit and act like a normal person. It somehow ends the film on a satisfactory note.
What movie/show is this?
batman the killing joke
While Batman: The Killing Joke is certainly not the best of Batman movies, this particular scene is possibly one of the best Batman and Joker moments.
true
I love that, for a moment, we see a serious, sane Joker, and an unhinged, laughing Batman. As they say, they really are two faces of the same coin.
True, i never had seen the joker speaking seriously in an animation, lol
And Two-Face is a same coin of they really are.
The two guys in the joke are also meant to represent Batman and The Jokers inability to move on to better things in life
The joke is essentially an 1st insane man (Batman) reaching out to a 2nd insane man (Joker) offering him his hand in assistance (the beam of light = rehabilitation) and the 2nd one not trusting it, not because the offer itself is insane (beam of light cannot be walked on = rehabilitation won't work) but because 2nd man can't trust the 1st man offerring it because the 1st man is also insane.
Batman laughs because its not only clever but he recognizes that he's a bit insane too so its a relatively true analogy, and therefore, his offer is insane, twice so from Joker's perspective
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Batman: *Smiles*
All of the Robins: I feel a disturbance in the universe.
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The person to make it 700 likes 😊
Tim Drake Same Batman’s laugh is more disturbing than Joker’s
*Meanwhile in Earth -22*
**Batman Smiles as he killed all the robins**
Chloe Hampton lmaoooo
Joker was actually talking serious to Batman when he says “I’m sorry but no it’s far too late for that” that’s crazy
This time it wasnt the Joker talking to Batman, but the man before he became the Joker.
@@ezeqlegal it was arther
AngyXP The Rap Demon poor joker
He is still that man, hes just very distrusting of society and doesn't give an inch of its approach. I dont think he hates batman, hes sees hes a good person. But also knows like Joker, Batman is wearing a mask like him. They are both similar but poler opposites of the coin.
Billy Jolly good person killing people
"Why are you laughing"
"This reminds me of a joke"
"Tell me about it"
"You wouldn't understand"
Knock knock
@@harrisaziz1028 You had to look that up?
I fkn waited for this god damn it
I waited for him to say it too..
how about another joke francis?
I like that he apologized with his refusal, like deep down, there was a part of him that was grateful that Batman offered to help him, and that after all these years of them fighting, he was able to appreciate that Batman was still willing to give him a chance to redeem himself, and that part of him wanted to accept it.
I would like to see a story where Joker accepts Batmans help and honestly tries to rehabilitate.
@@frankharzer6224batman telltale series
@@frankharzer6224Same here.
@@davireki7637I agree. It’s not the greatest spinoff story, but it definitely expands the way you see the Joker.
@@frankharzer6224 Yea I always wanted to see Joker hanging around Batman like Robin trying to be a good human
Batman laugh is more creepy then jokers
It weirds me the fuck out
Sam Blitz kind of the point... Batman keeps laughing and Joker goes silent... Because Batman just killed him.
Sam Blitz yeah
Sam Blitz its because you never hear it
I concur, jokers laugh ismore normal than batmans, its all in the conext, depends how you hear it at what time. Context context context
A true legend
“Without Batman, crime has no punchline”
Rip Kevin conroy
A legend indeed
Without Kevin Conroy, there is no Batman. 😢
Without Kevin Conroy🦇 I don't think Mark Hamill will never continue doing the Joker🃏ever again it sends to all of us they'll always be the greatest Duo between Batman and Joker 😔😔😔
Why do crimes need a punchline? I'm so confused. Country with a high crime rate = instant shame. A family member committing a crime = instant shame. Why do you need punchline for crimes? It's like you're glorifying doing heroine.
@@The_Lesser_Evilit's a quote from a tv show both actors stared in!
It's without spoiling it great and you should watch it.
There is no deeper meaning to this
This was downright powerful. It's also somewhat sobering to see the Joker like this, to see him contemplating for half a second the outstretched hand of Batman, to realize that he is far too gone and that they may have had the chance one to be normal, but they are too far gone.
What you said was powerful.Omgosh, preach.
I also think the joke suggests a lot about Joker's psychological state - Batman is trying to help him, but Joker is unable to trust that anyone would really help him. (That is, he's the crazy guy that believed the other would turn off the flashlight).
also some part of it is that theyre both insane enough to think it would even work
the point of the joke is not just about the missing trust. The joker realizes, that even if he would trust batman, the plan is still a useless "bridge of light"
I always interpreted it as Joker being afraid that either Batman or society would stop supporting his recovery.
I think this is the first time I see the Joker acting so... serious and genuine to anyone. Like if he was talking to Batman like a brother. And what's crazy is that in that scene, when Joker recognizes he is far beyond saving, this time he says it like if it really hurts him
Even the most insane people have days when they act completely normal for a brief moment.
Bro what's the name of this movie?
@@soulsoothingmusic6610 The name is "Batman: The Killing Joke"
@@Themis419 Insanity isn't defined by the awareness of it. That's not how mental health works. It is just a diagnosis. Your mind is fully capable of understanding itself, while still having no control over it.
I'm pretty sure it only hurts him because he's _actually_ that obsessed with Batman, and he's finally realizing that Batman's serious and not just "pretending" that Joker might change.
Like, Joker actually thought that he was Batman's best entertainment, and now that he's realizing what he actually wants, his mind goes from "gee, what a great friend I am" to "shit, what a bad friend I am." But he's spent so many years doing this that he might as well stick with it. More fun anyways.
fun fact.
Joker is so obsessed with Batman, that if Batman turned evil, Joker would turn good.
Saad Zaman Which comic did this happen?
maan I need to see this
Kyle Santos Darude Sandstorm
Kyle Santos I believe it was called Going Sane,
The Joker takes the alias Joseph Kerr in it if I remember it right.
megavore97 even when trying to be normal the joker makes us laugh with his name
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your comment are logic
(BATMAN LAUGHING)
(JOKER STOPS LAUGHING)
(BATMAN STILL LAUGHING)
joker: Dude, it wasn't that funny...
alexis diaz Batman killed joker, it's hinted by the artist in the comics
alexis diaz batman keeps laughing and joker starts to get scared
+Nahz Actually it could not be the case, since the killing joke is canon to the Batman main timeline, and the Joker didn't die after this
Pixel Attack This isn't the comics.
+Spiderkillers, Inc It sure isn't!
The way Joker's face is serious gave me some chills. This, besides the "I'm sorry", is the most human thing I've ever seen from Joker in my life.
the problem with joker is that he got turned into the joker by society. he wasnt born crazy. he got turned crazy. life just endlessly ruthlessly told him he can go fuck himself. joker isnt crazy. he just freed himself from the shackles of society. he turned into himself.
Watch the dark knight movie or the joker movie
@@sollitdude1 "He freed himself from the shackles of society, he turned into himself" That right there shows that Joker is actually the sane one and everyone around him is crazy
Ikr, I mean he can be a decent person at a point when theres something huge coming up. And the fact that he sometimes even fears other characters in some comics makes him seem not too crazyish
@@morbster6520 it only depends which comic you are reading. there was a one when joker bluffed cutting every batfamily's face and making batman eat them. then it turns out he actually cut his own face skin.
gotta love how batman actually had to take time to figure out the joke and it just got funnier the longer he figured it out
He didnt take time to figure out the joke...he was laughing to keep from crying. It was the understanding that one of them has to die.
Well, the previous guy is ridiculous, but I agree he didn't need time to "figure it out."
he got the joke, but it took him time to realize its connection to their situation.
@@Mythraen one of the sad parts about this is that the camera pans down at the end and joker stops laughing because Batman kills him. That joke that Joker told was the one the helped batman understand there was no saving him.
@@darpinian1he didn't die tho
Damn the conversation Batman and Joker had, imagine Joker being a hero or at least an anti-hero
He is an anti hero in an alternate universe.
Look up the Jester.
Hisuka ..
RoyaCanadianInfantry or neutral
RoyaCanadianInfantry I could imagine that
The Hedonist Thnx for the suggestion mate
Love this moment cause the joke basically points out how ridiculous it is for one crazy person (batman) to try and help another crazy person (joker)
Yooo actually this is the interpretation I was looking for. I'm so enlightened rn
Yea this is by far the simplest interpretation of this scene
@@ibisiii3526 Yes, i think it's the correct one. Also, Joker is probably afraid of betrayal. I mean, it's batman. What he is going to do by "reabiliating" him. Throw him in the Arkham once again? What if in the end he finds out joker cannot be normal again? He is going to turn the light off? Forget him in a looney bin forever? Perhaps when you lost all hope like joker the only thing that you fear is having hope again and having to start from absolute zero and climb all the way to normalcy again
Their laugh implies that they are both equally crazy...
there is a teory that bats and joker are the same person. The whole story of batman was in imagination of that lunatic which lived in the Asylum because he gone mad after his loss in childhood.
Batman's laugh is scarier then joker. He never laugh
MAAZ ahmed enough so that it made the Joker stop laughing.
MAAZ ahmed its because he has never laughed before
ScaredRed laughed infront of Harley, she had him tied up upside down over a tank of piranhas (so it looked like the fish were smiling) his laugh scared her. think bats was laughing at how the joker would react to finding out it being one of her traps that finally catches him and not his.
MAAZ ahmed ahahaha that's probably why Joker stopped laughing.
Batman: HA HA HA HA
Joker:...
Batman: now you die
This is my favourite scene Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy have ever done together. They're both the definitive voice actors for the two.
Absolute legends.
Rest in peace Kevin.
The joker STRAIGHT UP said SORRY...that it was too late to go back.....DAMN....that's some real shit!
the point of the joke is a metaphor.
Batman went through a similar situation, but he had alfred and other people to help him (similar to how batman got to gordon before he went completely insane and nilhisitc so he still had hope, jason lost hope and fell for it and to a certain point still isn't completely with batman and will freely murder anyone who gets in his way) and so he's trying to help the joker but he's scared of it failing or him ending up worse and so batman tries helping him with a ridiculous and crazy idea (the flashlight as a bridge) and the joker is paranoid of him leaving him or abandoning him part way through and breaking him further instead of actually helping him regardless of how ridiculous the cure or idea is
Short version: There is no helping the joker and even if the joker could walk across a beam of light with Batmans help he knows he wouldn't make it all the way. But yeah read the above its an awesome insight.
I'll never look at this scene the same way again.
Can't believe I missed that.
It's also supposed to suggest that Batman might be just as mad as the Joker, I mean if you think about it from a strictly objective standpoint, a billionaire running around in a batsuit fighting crime on his own is NUTTY. The overriding theme of the film is that all it takes is one bad day for a good person to snap. Joker went mad but accepted it, but is trying to get Batman to see that he's snapped too on the day his parents were killed, but hiding behind this self-righteous notion that his actions are in the name of "justice." Him laughing at Joker's... well, joke at the end is supposed to also suggest that he may have finally realized in that moment that they're both the same, or at least very similar.
"so he's trying to help the joker but he's scared of it failing or him
ending up worse and so batman tries helping him with a ridiculous and crazy idea (the flashlight as a bridge)" I don't quite get this bit, could you elaborate a bit more please?
*at the end*
Batman: *Continues laughing*
Joker:Haha...heheh.....ok man... It's not THAT funny
It is if you understand the Joke the first guy who jumped over was batman the second guy was joker but he knows that there is no hope if he crosses just darkness
You know batman choked joker to death thats why joker stopped laughing
@@RuinedKatana I heard it was actually not intended by the author.
@@manuelbes the author never revealed what was the original intention, however it's heavilly implied if you look at the graphic novel instead of the movie
Mr. Krabs: GET BACK TO WORK!!
legend has it batman is still laughing till now
how rare is that? Another apoc player.
DarkSprint hello there
Not anymore
Lol that's my comment mate
I like this scene so much. This joke literally summarizes the whole movie. It is exactly the situation of joker and batman...
Yeah
Both lunatics in Halloween costumes, playing cat and mouse..
That joke is the killing joke as it killed Batman's seriousness
actually, it killed the Joker. if you notice at the end, the Joker suddenly stops laughing and making any noise while Batman keeps on going.
So did batman die
I'm confused
actually, it killed his parents.
Kim Jong-un, it actually ki-
No, that's too soon.
The video gave me a title, and the video delivered. I am satisfied.
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+Slim Shady elaborate?
The Imaginary Axis I love your vids ^^
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don't know why, but hearing batman's laugh.... is just super creepy
Because it is. He only laughed once before, and it was a fake one to get Harley to lose all of her confidence. This time, it was real and was because he was driven to the brink of sanity. Batman killed the Joker right after, meaning Batman lost and the Joker won.
This was the moment where Batman realized he couldn't win. He couldn't beat Joker. Joker refused help; he'd never see the futility of trying to break Batman. So, he laughed. Even if he didn't kill Joker here, he still lost because he laughed. He gave into the absurdity.
ikr its like 10 times worse than the jokers
Gav Bond the jokers laugh is soothing and relatable, because he truly finds everything in this ridiculous world hilarious and accepts that.
Batmans laugh is one of a man that is losing himself despite a long and arduous battle against insanity, which feels more threatening than anything.
Bacxaber He kills him. Grant Morrison who wrote it said Batman kills him
It's hits hard knowing that Joker acknowledged what Batman says as an actual offer, he even apologises and declines because he know it won't end well. I mean he could have really done the generic villain thing and kick him in the balls or something, but the writers took this moment seriously.
2:26 Batman's laughter is so depressing it stopped Joker from laughing. LOL
PowahSlap Entertainmint he killed him
Sadik Riyad just a theory
Theory is (and it makes more sense in the comic version) he broke his neck when he reached his hand out & put it on his shoulder. It makes the most sense to me.
Or batsman choked joker out and maybe even killed him
He broke his neck and killed him.
It took BATMAN 10 seconds to understand the joke
I still dont get it
the shaft of light that a flashlight produces is sometimes called a 'beam'
a 'beam' is also a support structure
by using the term 'beam' in relationship to the flashlight, this gives a segue into using the term for the support structure, too.
therefore, turning the 'beam' off would make him fall
the irony is that a flashlight beam is made of light
i'm a little dead inside now
SpaghettiFox calm down buddy
i gotta go fast but fast is too slow
ooooooh i get it now.
I pity their relationship... been fighting all the way to old age and when they want to stop, both knows they've passed the point of no return... one has to die for both to be at peace 😢
Ungku Nazren Al Haq l
it's scary that relationships can be that way sometimes
There is more too it then that. The Joker and Batman are fixed universal points. They have to be in opposition of each other, two sides of the same coin. Without Batman, Joker has no purpose, without Joker, Batman has no perspective.
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The joke and the jokers meaning behind it considering him and batman at the moment is heartfelt and deep when you really look into his words.
Joker is really " out of character " because he's being himself. He's a lonely, tormented, unhappy soul.
😢joker is a nice guy@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq
0:59 its my first time hearing joker say "im sorry"
For unfortunately it wasn't the joker it was the guy who fall in the chemical. Who tell him it's too late (the human side of the joker)
@@frankcastle2060 exactly...
With honesty*
He says it because Batman is one of the only people he has some form of respect for, and he can tell Bats is serious. I think he genuinely was sorry that he couldn’t give his greatest rival what he wanted in the end: the chance to redeem someone just like himself.
1:01
Joker stops laughing cuz he is terrified by Batman laugh lol
Super Vegito actually Batman kills him because the joke was implying that halfway through the treatment the joker would go back insane so when Batman understood the joke he decided to kill him and laugh wit him here I will copy and paste the explanation
K9mutty oh ok
I would too
but really, It's let ambiguous in purpose
I think its too late for joker because his wife and child is dead and when he noticed his clown face. The only way he would ever return to his old self if his wife and child suddenly came back to life or never died in the first place and were kidnapped, but I highly doubt that will happen. He tries to bury bad memories, but they always have a way of coming back even if you don't want them to and I know for a fact if he saw his wife and child alive those memories would come back even if he didn't want them to.
K9mutty he actually doesn't kill him
i should be studying right now.
lol same
Heh.. NEEEEERRRRRRD!
Go back to the study's ur future matter
Me too
me too. but I ended up here. again.
The fact that the crazy dude didn't question the flash light bridge but instead questioned the other guys trust had me
I knew a guy who held the light. Yes, he turned it off as I was walking
@GamingGreen21
Doesn’t matter what he did to you. You’re alive, and as long as you have your days, time will heal you. Don’t give up on people. Or yourself. Keep trudging along, no matter how painful or sad it is. Time is a powerful thing.
The literal meaning of trust issues i think I will start mentioning this story when people ask me what it feels like to have trust issues
Two sides of the story, both lost the people they loved the most, one decided to make everyone feel his pain, the other one decided to make sure no one feels the way he did.
Two sides of a coin. You either go insane or become a hero.
Batman IS insane tho
My gf said tge craziest thing, she told me in this scene, joker and batman are just one person. She told me in the end joker stopped laughing
Love it
Daniel W. Banegas just one more like
Batman isnt sane he takes all of the vilians to asolym but all escape he is crazy
Making people laugh is all the Joker ever wanted.
In stand-up comedy, your biggest adversary isn't the hecklers, rather the person who sits quietly in the front row and never even cracks a smile for your entire routine. This person becomes simultaneously your nemesis and biggest goal. To the Joker, for obvious reasons, this was Batman. And the more stoic Batman was, the more desperate Joker became. So when Batman laughs at the joke, he unwittingly really does help the Joker heal.
i've been a batman fan years and i can't believe i never thought of this. Interesting thought :D
Yeah very interesting thought indeed.. nice.. you you kinda different you know that do you
Lou Cypher Oh my god, I never thought of it that way.
Do you think Batman laughed to please the Joker... before killing him ? Like a sort of condemned to death's last wish ?
And then proceeds to snap his neck
(BATMAN STILL LAUGHING)
... And Batman died of suffocation because he couldn't stop laughing.
Night Shadow at least he died happy
its the opposite..the joker was who die by suffocation (batman)
after the screen cut away, batman snaped the joker's neck
theawesometaxi no, Batman just strangled him.
Night Shadow he might burn his laughter box, he had never laughed before!!
Joker knows he can’t be helped in a rare moment of sincerity. Forcing Batman to have a rare moment of spontaneous emotion. Pretty cool scene
Joker to Red Hood: "A Robin walks into a crowbar…"
***CyberSlaYer1204 Aka-NinjaThug*** best triple joke I've heard in a while.
***CyberSlaYer1204 Aka-NinjaThug*** holy shit
***CyberSlaYer1204 Aka-NinjaThug*** boi that was funny as hell
***CyberSlaYer1204 Aka-NinjaThug*** dude you made my night
***CyberSlaYer1204 Aka-NinjaThug*** That was great
(BATMAN STOPS LAUGHING)
*Batman*: I...I...I don't get it.
xD
it was the joke who stoped laughing
JJ_116 pay2weed was making a joke
There's a part in a comic after that
Bateman choked Joker to death, that's why Joker stopped laughing
Batman*
The two people referring in the joke were Batman and Joker himself.
Elzero Dragon no shit sherlock
Elzero Dragon Batman was the brave one who jumped and joker was the crazy guy who thought Batman would turn the light off.
+Trollerman Sixtysevan And he probably did turn the light off (killing the joker)
quensoueu1 what really happened when joker stopped laughing?
Actually it was Trump and Hillary.
The fact that Joker has even momentarily considered Bats' offer with all seriousness shows that the sincerity has gotten through him to his core.
Batman luaghing is far more scary than anything joker will ever do
Nooooom!
Whats more scary is your spelling
Your profile picture is far more scary than anything batman will ever do
Krøniks grammar nazi Alert
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What a rare moment to see two arch rivals stop fighting and enjoy a good joke together!
The Admiral the real meaning of this scene tho is that joker and Batman are both insane
Joker stopped enjoying the joke when batman split his wig. Joker stopped laughing sooner than usual. :)
Batman killed him.
Hence, the killing joke.
The Admiral they hate each other and love each other shown in a weird way.
There RUclips, I WATCHED IT!
Persistent son of bitch, isn't it?
lmao I know right haha fucking stupid recommendations...
dude you get me
ikr
why the hell this is in my recommendation list?!
It sure is creative how he can come up with a good joke on the spot about the situation they are in.
He didn’t come up with it on the spot, he already knew the joke which is why he said the situation reminds him of a joke
i wish they were friends
EnderSentry Strike keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Leora Ojadi you like Architects and Batman. Respect.
EnderSentry Strike in a way they are. Without one another they would have no purpose
LDGSB 2 Ya Know Ur Right
Of course they would, batman exists way longer than the joker and joker is not the only bad guy in gotham citty.
What’s interesting about the joke is that both lunatics represent Batman and the Joker. The gap represents healing/facing your fears and the other end is acceptance and being fully recovered. The first lunatic (Batman) succeeds in going across and is healed, the second lunatic however (Joker) is afraid to jump over as he believes the gap is too far to make ei, believes that he can’t be healed but when Batman says he’ll shine the light across (help him rehabilitate) joker believes that Batman will just leave him halfway through and watch him descend back into madness (turn off the torch off to watch him fall)
In addition, I think Joker is also implying that rehabilitation isn’t going to help him and the “walking across the beam of light” analogy is a testament to how absurd that notion is. He thinks that if they go through with it, Batman will just give up halfway because nothing works.
*insert sabo reading a book meme**
You British?
Thanks a lot,if it wasn't for you I wouldn't have figured out that at all
(Sarcasm)
Nice.
i was like : WTF batman can laugh
Juminten kuliah di Washington true
Juminten kuliah di Washington how did you know he was batsman?!?!?!?!
spicy wasabi ass mada mada
me too xD
the dark laugh
1:00 Joker’s sincerity genuinely makes me sad. When he says sorry, you can tell he truly means it.
I like how the guy made it across is batman, the guy afraid of falling is joker, the asylum is their depression and light beam from the flashlight is represented as Batman's offer for help joker. No matter how much batman wants to help joker, he would still fall and it would be impossible for him to cross
oh my god..i never thought of that! thats so sad..
Mind blown
WOAHH WHAT
That's the one! You got it lol !
EyemanYT I mean he did say it reminded him of a joke
I love how Joker was actually the first one to stop laughing insinuating Batman either creeped even him out because of how long he was laughing or that he killed him.
or batman killed him
@@donrebs9416 In the comics, Batman kills joker
In the comics, Batman kills joker here. He starts choking him and then snap his neck. It's implied here too, because joker doesn't immediately stop,but his laugh turns into a sort of wheeze sound like he can't get the air out
😟
@@amvcentral9198 that's why it's called the killing joke
more romantic than the notebook
Well, Batman's known Joker as long as Selina
kitten paws A better love story than Twilight that's for sure.
Cameron Tierney wrong, Twilight was a not so good at all comedy man
Little do you know that's how the joker dies. At the hand of batsman at the end. They made it a little more subtle in the movie compared to the comic. But that's why it's just batsman laughing at the end, and not the joker when the camera pans down.
kitten paws fuck yes
This joke means two crazy people can not help each other
I have absolutely no idea why youtube recommended this to me. I have never watched batman on yt
RUclips want to rehabilitate you because you watch too much youtube
Sheng Loong Tan That Reply is Awesome
Michael Johnson same here
Me neither 😂😂
Because it's rare as sh*t
that joke is actually pretty funny
Matt k yup
I feel like it was said a little weird.
guess you completely missed 0:53 :|
Of all the worst of things Joker had done, THIS has to be the worst of the rest. ( Lollery. )
At first, I thought the beam mentioned was an actual steel beam between two buildings. Realizing that it's meant to be a beam of light makes the joke.
Legend says batman is still laughing at that joke.
Rofl!
Lol
Legend has it that Katsura is still on standby
The joke is such a clever and gut-wrenching way to portray how truly tragic being “insane” is.
The first guy jumps across, no problem. The second guy is afraid; he can’t do it, not because he’s insane, but because he’s human.
When the first guy shines the light, it’s his attempt to help the second guy cross the gap, one human helping another. The second guy refuses to cross, not because the light bridge is preposterous, but because he doesn’t trust his friend, which is yet another very normal and relatable thing to do.
Of course, it doesn’t matter how much Guy 2 trusts Guy 1, because flashlights can’t make bridges.
Living with severe mental conditions that alter perception is exactly like that.
Everyone has to deal with things like being afraid of heights and not being able to trust others. It’s just how life is. However, it’s downright impossible to get through those struggles of life when your perception of reality is fundamentally and drastically different from other people, which is why people with conditions that alter perception just can’t have the same freedoms other people have without risk to themselves and others.
It’s horrible and unfair, and it’s why our mental institutions and the general attitudes we harbor towards people with these conditions desperately need to change; it’s implied that Batman kills Joker, and I believe that it’s because that’s the only way to truly free him from the constant cycle of Arkham Asylum, an underfunded and miserable place that will never be enough to make Joker well.
Fantastic scene.
No it's just funny because the guy is retarded
RIP Adam West
"Legend"
💔
Spider Man spidey I know your in marvel but thank you for saying that I appreciate that Rip Adam West 😭😭😭😭
Just you're friendly nieghborhood Spiderman.
Man was and will always be the first Batman. Rip man.
Always.
He laughed because no one except his wife laughed when Joker made Jokes before going Insane.
YoloPenguin joker is robin..
ItsEli A clone of Joker
ItsEli no he isn't
explain this further , please
ThyXatu before joker had a life before he got fucked up. nobody laughed at his shit tho and so he got into some shit and became the joker yea. nobody else would laugh at his jokes.
I think Batman was the one who jumped. Notice that joker did not say they wanted to escape because they were not crazy, they were just tired of being there. Both batman and joker are crazy but they understand something has to change. They try to escape thier normallity.
As they see the perfect way out, with a long easy way for one, but a tough, scary and dangerous way for the other, they notice the hardships for them. So as batman jumps, he notices its easy and that he with his abilities, can do it but the joker stays back because he is scared of the way to "freedom". Its easy for one but not for him. So as batman "shows" him a way to do it, knowing he will not make it and die, joker doesnt do it. Not because of the crazy insane method batman is telling him, but because he doesnt trust him. He knows if it were the other way around, he would turn off the flashlight.
it didnt make sense? sorry :p
I too think that Batman is the guy who jumped first. But to me it's that Joker is implying that both Batman and Joker are crazy. Or rather that both of their lives are 'bent out of shape' - as Batman said about Joker's life. And so, Batman believes that he can help Joker ('I can rehabilitate you'), but he doesn't realise that his life is just as bad as Joker's - he doesn't realise he's as fucked up as him. And it's Batman on the roof trying to help Joker by shining the flashlight, not realising that his offer of trying to help is irrational. I think Joker sees the absurdity of Batman's proposal to rehabilitate him.
And then there's the other guy on the roof, and since he too is crazy, he doesn't see the craziness of the first guy's proposal and simply doesn't trust him and that's why he's not trying to walk on the beam.
But you know, since Joker is telling Batman this joke, he must realise that he is like that second guy on the roof, but not exactly like him. And that's why I like Joker a lot - he has distance to the situation and largely sees himself for who he truly is.
Anyway, that's weird.
Watter Watt yeahhh didnt think of it that way but I think that's what the author thought when putting that joke in the end. Nice to read that people put thought into that ending joke and why it's important to Batman and Joker. You're a smart man :)
Stickymcjohnson Jr Good one dude.
Stickymcjohnson Jr yep that the whole point of that joke he made.
When taken literally, the joke is funny because of how silly it is. But on a deeper level, you'll realize how brilliant of an analogy it is.
Why after watching The Joker movie this scene makes much more sense now.
Poor Joker
Do keep in mind that they are two separate characters. This Joker doesn't have the same mental issues.
Especially how he tells Batman a joke shows his comedic side since he use to be a comedian before he turned into Joker.
The new Joker is trash. He is a Joker without batman
@@butters9067 "if I have an origin I want the answer to be multiple choice" -The Joker
Butters it's actually not canon at all, the movie was just a suggestion as to what COULD have happened, not what definitely happened
Joker implies he doesn't trust him to help him. Because his joke was a symbol of him and Batman escaping insanity, but in the joke the guy refused the other's help besucase he doesn't trust him. That symbolism is used for this situation. So, then, why?
Androo Gnoix The story was about was one guy who escaped his madness and insanity(batman) and another who didn't because he knew that he would never be sane again(joker)
The opposite could also be said. The fact that the first guy also believed the ray of light would work as a bridge means he's still quite insane. Joker accepts his madness, and he does so without reservation; e.g. he lept across the gap. Batman, meanwhile, continues to deny his own insanity; e. g. he did not make the leap back to the real world, instead remaining at least partially in the delusion that he's sane.
Joker understand the joke he's telling, or he wouldn't be telling it. He doesn't think that Batman is trying to trick him, but the joke is it doesn't matter either way because Batman is the one he considers delusional, offering a beam of light to walk on, as if the Joker, after all he did, could ever be a normal human being again. Batman believes he is capable of helping people like the Joker, and that's what makes him the most insane out of anyone.
Both of the inmates in the joke are crazy, and how can you trust a crazy person to rehabilitate you? Batman and Joker have the same problems with life, and both deal with it in extreme ways. Batman's solution to life is just a shot in the dark, like anyone else's. After all, it's impossible to walk on a beam of light, even if the other inmate doesn't turn it off, you'll always fall unless you can jump.
nessesaryschoolthing the only reason Batman can't is because the Joker is too stubborn to heal, and offering to help anyway doesnt make you insane.
Notice how Joker's laugh ends much earlier than Batman's. And notice how Batman places his hands on him as the camera pans down. There's a popular theory that Batman snaps his neck as they both realize there will never be an end to it until the other acts.
MegaTech81 he does kill him. Grant Morrison who wrote it said he kills Joker
Jay Love
Grant Morrison didn't write it, Alan Moore did. Moore said it wasn't his intention to allude to joker's murder.
Jay Love not true at all, Alan Moore wrote this story, and it was always meant to be up to the reader to interpret it from the original comic, although this adaptation seems to feel that killing is the better outcome.
MegaTech81 that went dark pretty quick
MegaTech81 hence why it's called the KILLING joke *ba dum tiss*
Joker meant by that joke "it's not that I don't believe the crazy Idea of rehabilitating me I just can't trust you because I am that crazy "
"HAHAHAHA.... You're still going to jail tho"
"HAHAHAHA.... and I'll get out a couple days later."
BECUZ I'M JOKERR!!
Hm, y'know for once it actually has a ring to it.
GOLFWANGx Joker-ohhhh shit😔...
Ehhh....Sorry to pop your bubble but...He kills him :/
+Alu- Card what movie it is
Notice how Batman is the only one laughing at the very end...
Dude in comics batman killed him thats why its called the killing joke.
@@tH3n3M3s1zz Actually there's no real evidence that Joker died. It's only ever been implied that Batman finally decided to kill Joker, but never proven
@@toxicdemon1315 Bro in the comics it's been proven
@@bigaust4487 sometimes the comics are different from the movies/animations. For example in the Injustice Movie Flash dies while in the comics he’s still alive
@@DRIP_DIO Not to mention that Joker still regularly appeared in comics after TKJ came out, so if he did permanently die, wouldn't he have stopped reappearing?
batman:you know why i'm laughing?
joker:no
batman:because i'm batman
😂😂😂😂
The joker isn't insane though... Hes never been proven insane and doesn't display any character traits of an insane person...
Well there is stiff just nothing in particular I think jokers real problem is that he is on some level aware he's a fictional character
ahahhahahaha
Totally agree, he knows that everything around him is a 'joke'
I love it when these two are depicted as humans. They don't always need to be deep tragic figures, but they should feel like people. I don't like how modern depictions often show these two as the embodiment of chaos and some unshakable symbol of justice. It reduces the characters down to their bare minimum
Did.... they just have a bromance moment
Jomonkey27 Hayden Yea now they will have sex
ABabyBottle chill
Why am I laughing so hard at these comments.
Well... In the comic version... (Spoiler Alert: Read the comic, "The Killing Joke," & you will agree it was an hour & a half well spent.)
...It's ambiguous, but implied that the Batman kills Joker here, right before the cops get to them. In the comic, Batman is laughing because he's decided he can't fix the Joker. It's ambiguous because you only see Batman reaching for Joker's neck after he's started laughing. But the camera pans away, and you see a symbolism that expresses the bridge the Joker could have taken to be better/different is no longer made available by Batman.
+Nick M. Well then, Batman can't keep his promise
The Batman Who Laughs
Diamond DJ is that really true what you said
Diamond DJ oh man you gotta love the evil alt Batman’s
Diamond DJ alwayse wins
Diamond DJ creepy
I said this 5 months ago and no one gave a damn while you on the other hand just said this a while ago and boom, 600 likes.
*slow clap*
Better love story than Twilight
George P I was scrolling through the comments just for this one 😂 Thank you sir
Yep
George P *U GAY*
This was the last comment I'd expect for Batman and Joker, and it killed!
wtf
I actually laughed with them. Joker’s laugh is almost contagious and I couldn’t help it
Id Love to see an alternate universe of this... where Joker tentatively reaches up to Batman's outstretched hand and says "...ok....."
Well, DC more or less invented the Elseworld, so...
I can’t help but imagine this universe ending with them being gay lovers
@@focalpoint._ lol yeah probably. They have such a hard on for eachother already.
In flashpoint maybe yes
That would be a nexus event..
I love this moment
Geoon batman killed the joker
Geoon
Geoon me too
It shows even the worst enemies could be friends
Cyrus DJ Batman just wanted a friend/partener with almost the same trauma
In the past Joker was just like him
Geoon
I know
I’m just going deeper in the point behind all of this
it tooks Batman 12 seconds to understand the joke .😂😂
Avatar Bro I belive that the joke is a metafor for thier situation. Batman (the 1.guy) wanna help the Joker, with rehab (the lightbeam), but Joker(guy n.2) sees how stupid his plan is and refuses him. The 12 sec for Batman is the time he needed to understand, that the jole is adout thier situation. And when he finally understands, he realises, how stupid his plan was. This is why he start laughing
István Baráth The joke was the first guy was hining the light on a metal beam, and the second guy thought he meant the bewm of light.
lawson carpenter thats one way to understand it. Any way, the mwtapgor ( or however they write it) is still working
Avatar Bro because he was still thinking of batgirls booty
Maybe he remembered an other more funny joke
Beautifully painful to watch every single time I revisit this movie, Rest in glory Kevin Conroy.
They're both insane basically is what the Joker is saying, you can't walk across a beam of light, the other is insane for suggesting, and the other is insane for believing it..."what do you think I am crazy?" That's the joke they literally both are crazy..there's no getting out for them. It's just a basic joke that represents them both but clever however you look at it
This needs more likes
The most clear explanation lol
well there's also the trust aspect. the point being two crazy people could theoretically help each other out, but not without trust.
this is my favorite joke, it fits reality and absurd at once.
Also the fact that he's crazy enough to think it would work, but that the only sense of sanity is manifested again as a mental illness - his paranoia, and that that he'd be betrayed xD
R.I.P Adam West
Mychael Fairbank May his soul rest in peace. His performance as Batman was amazing.
The joke is a symbol...Batman is the first lunatic, having escaped the "asylum" which is a symbol for madness...He lost his parents but decided to fight crime instead of perpetuating it. And the Joker is the second lunatic...Batman tries to help him but he thinks he will be betrayed, because his perspective is flawed and it is "far too late", ie. His madness is rampant and cannot be helped.
PeppyHydra oh yea I get it now 🙄 thanks lol
nice observation mate
the way some people can see the deeper meanings of scenes is so impressive
Not quite, but close enough.
It’s not a joke it’s a story of how he escaped.. he turned off the flash light. It’s in the comic.... stop reading shit into something or read the comics.
That was a surprisingly wholesome moment between them 2. I haven't seen the killing joke in a long while
It's both wholesome and sad
They are laughing off the pain for not able to reach the same ideal, yet understand each other
@@annoying_HK_guy very good observation. Agreed.
It's more sad if you realise why Joker stops laughing. Batman kills him (probably snaps his neck) when they're out of camera view
@@dgb2c596 and here I thought batman had a no-kill policy 🤣🤣
@@dgb2c596 I think the writer(s) confirmed that wasn't the case or at least the intention.
I think Batman is crazier than The Joker
Film theory anyone?
That is what's implied in the joke.
The inmate that wanted to help the second one to get across the gap is even crazier than the first one (representing the joker) because Batman actually believed he could rehabilitate the joker.
Luis Ernesto Bello Banzer He dresses up like a bat, what did you expect?
thats the point of the joke i believe,Batman laughed because he realized he was the other escaped mental patient shining light across the gulf thinking it would carry his partner across,
the inmate who wants to shine the light over is batman,the inmate that doesn't trust his friend to cross the beam of light is the joker,they are both crazy and that is why the joke i think made batman realize that
In case anybody didn't understand I can explain the scene, the joke is a metaphor about the reason why the Joker can't trust Batman, and why he will never stop trying to fight him. Essentially, using his joke, the Joker tells Batman he believes they are both crazy, and that he knows that Batman has been made crazy by the world and it's unfairness just like the Joker has.
Batman, in this joke, is the first guy to jump across the gap of the rooftops and onto the other ledge, onto freedom, onto sanity, and onto becoming a kind and caring person again, leading him to become Batman.
The Joker is the second guy, who is scared to make that leap, he's scared that he's too far gone, that he's gotten too comfortable being the Joker, being crazy, and that if he tries to become civilized again, he won't be able to, which is why the joke is so perfect. The last part of the joke, where the first man, or Batman, tells the second man, or the Joker, "I have a flashlight, I can light the beam stretching across the gaps and you can come with me", it is basically referencing what Batman just told the Joker seconds ago, and what Batman has been trying to achieve with the Joker ever since the beginning, that Batman wants to help Joker leave his broken, insane self behind and be rehabilitated, and then Joker explains, that due to fear, and probably because he knows he can never go back to trusting people again, he refuses to follow Batman on his path, and would rather die, or in the joke "stay in the asylum" than trust him, even if only for a moment.
And then Batman, realising he was right, and realising once and for all he would never win against the Joker, finally did the unthinkable, and broke his one unbreakable rule, giving Joker the victory he's always wanted.
P.S - The fact that the Joker finally "wins" over Batman is also signified by the fact that Batman finally, and for the only time in history, could understand and laugh along with the Joker. The Joker "won" not only because he made Batman finally break his one and only rule, but because he finally made Batman see things his way. He finally got Batman to laugh at the ridiculousness of their situation along with him. It's truly such a symbolic moment in so many great ways that I had to share the true meaning of this masterful scene with everyone. I also highly recommend reading the original graphic novel this cartoon was based on, of the same title (The Killing Joke). I'm sure the cartoon is great, but the writing and artwork is sure to have changed when adapting the original into a cartoon, and nothing beats the original.
Too long, did not read
Holy crap it's a RUclips comment not an essay for school
HOLY FUCK! I haven;t ever watched these kinds of shows,, but I can't believe this scene has such a deep meaning, its unbelievable. I was shocked when I read your comment, thanks for sharing!
Faust2330
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Slemon stfu
You know...in this one moment...this one, heartbreaking, emotional moment...you realize just how much Batman and Joker have in common. Like Joker, Batman had a really...really bad day. The day Bruce lost his parents really put a big deal of misery in his life. But then he used his greatest fear to punish the evil that took their lives. He used the night. He became the night. He fixed his own life by bringing hope to a city ruined by centuries of crime and corruption. And when he met Joker, he saw something in him that nobody else saw: not a homicidal maniac or a crazed clown. What Batman saw in Joker was someone who had a bad day and lived so long alone with his back turned on society...that he felt like society is not worth shit. The real reason why Joker inflicts so much misery and destruction on innocent people was that he wants them to know the same misery they inflicted on him many years ago. Joker is a criminal, yes, but he's also a broken soul who had a really bad day...and was driven to the brink of madness because of it. The fact that Batman offered to help him be a better man...that shows just how much Batman wants to help someone who's went through the same rough patches as him.
He wanted to see salvation happen for someone like himself. To see someone else who had a really, really bad day be rescued from the brink of total despair.
And that’s why in this scene, Batman does not actually win. That’s why he laughs. Because it’s the only thing he has left to give the Joker in the end.
@@OneBiasedOpinion I just wish people saw Joker the same way Batman does.
Ok but one bad day is just an oversimplification over him being dealt a bad hand from the very start. His life was shit before he had that “bad day” so saying it’s the effect of one bad day (depending on the severity of that bad day) does not turn everyone into Jokers. That’s the difference with comfortable people who have a bad day and people who suffer more like joker having a bad day.
@@charlottea.cavatica1696 no doubt that empathy, compassion, manners, boundaries and other things are the foundation for a healthy life and good principles to live by for your fellow man and woman. But what if you should be on the other end of it when you really need it the most from another soul, but are met with stares and cruel looks for not being "strong enough to handle the heat", what then should come of it if you were the person brought so low as to be deemed avoidable by society? Batman, had Alfred, joker had nobody... And this is how horrible things are born.
Watch what happens when a serial killer is told, "I forgive you, for the murder of my child." He folds, and cries in the court room. All the other victims family members jeered him like he was a monster. He is a monster, but whether it is passed through genetics, or learned behavior, his mind was carved indirectly by the type of people who call him monster. I call it, the cyclical crisis.
If you want to help the world in any way. Ask yourself this question: how am I a monster?
I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable but the more you discover about yourself, for better or for worse, the more weird or awkward the world sees you.
I know this from experience.
I want to share with you an ancient African proverb that applies to this situation. "If a child grows into an adult having never felt loved or included in his village, he may infact burn the village just to feel a little warmth."
@@OneBiasedOpinion bruh.. my eyes are watering
protagonist and the antagonist being able to relate each other but keep on fighting because of their ego is just perfecet story building. hits so hard
I don’t know what’s stranger? The jokers sense of honor or Batman’s laugh🤣
Wolfsong 27 Joker’s sense of humor was always crazy, but remember BatMan will not laugh at this this...he will not laugh at all
You have to be...crazy to not laugh at that 🤣
Wolfsong 27 then i am crazy bcs this is bad joke...our joker died 10 years ago
Why so serious? 🤣 okay il stop😂
Wolfsong 27 idk this “thing” is so strange
Gotta admit, that was a pretty funny joke
A. Theil I didn't get it help me
Roxi Ranger Basically the joke is that when the other crazy guy says “What do you think I am, crazy?!” you’d think that we was referring to how crazy and stupid the crazy guy with he flashlight is, but nope he too thought he could walk on light
Not only that, but the joke is symbolic of Batman and Joker’s relationship
A. Theil ahhh now I get it thanks.
@@MrTheil no, it's basically this -
Two guys locked up in a lunatic asylum - Batman & Joker are in Arkham Asylum and they escape to the rooftops to freedom.
First guy jumps across no problem - Batman
Second guy is afraid of falling - Joker - afraid of falling into a decent of madness/insanity
First guy - "I've got a flashlight, I can shine it across the gaps and you can walk on the light" - Batman basically trying to rehabilitate Joker from becoming what he does in the Arkham games and animated series
Second guy - "What do ya think I am, crazy? You'll only go and turn it off when I'm halfway across!" - Joker expressing his disbelief in Batman's promise and that he will decend/fall into madness as Batman turns the light off (which actually happens in the comic, at the last frame, it shows a police car with it's headlights on but it turns off soon after which means that Joker had already fallen into madness) despite Batman saying he will rehabilitate and help Jack.
XTheVideoGamerGirlX That’s why I said it was symbolic of their relationship
I love cheese
It's like when Tom and Jerry decide to talk instead of fighting.
spafro101 I love those episodes
Seeing as batman killed the Joker...
that was a theory
ff7soldierff7 it's not a theory lol. The *creator* said batman killed joker.
Theory debunked. Case closed.
Joker fires a gun. The gun pokes out a banner reading "CLICK CLICK CLICK".
Joker clicks once. Then twice more.
Respect for joker, even he could accept that it was far too late for him a long time ago
Why so?
@@TheFunnyDictator why? WHY?! The dude has done a bunch of irreversible and unforgivable damage throughout his insanity that even if he did change, only a few would forgive him while the rest will try and kill him or make him suffer for all he has done
@@RWSfan2024 And even if Joker could SOMEHOW be saved, he'd be a sane man forever wrecked by the unforgivable and heinous actions he committed. He would have to live with everything he's done for the rest of his life and to be honest, he probably would kill himself. There's no saving someone like the Joker, even he knows it.
You can help a depressed or schizo person, but not someone who is totally messed up and has mental illness/personality disorders like he's trying to catch em all
@@RWSfan2024 Sympathy for the Joker. About like sympathy for Charles Manson.
For anyone who missed the meaning of the joke, the guy shining the flashlight legitimately would not turn off the flashlight and thinks it would work. The guy who is afraid of falling also legitimately thinks it would work but is suspicious that the other would betray him. In both cases they are both sincere, but the inmate would fall to his death anyway because the light can't support him (obviously). The allegory is that both batman and the joker are insane. Batman legitimatly wants to help the joker and the joker wants to be helped but is too afraid of betrayal to allow himself to be helped. But it doesn't matter either way because they are both insane, and an insane person can't help another insane person become sane so it would fail. No matter which one of them gave in, it would end up the same, with batman failing to help the joker.
Nobody cares, go get lost poozer
Oh nice finally a good explanation of the joke I felt stupid for not getting it fully thx lol
Oh thanks I did not understand at all, I was thinking too literal 😂😂😂😂
Wow
@@vgngolley341how will the joker or the person who is on the rooftop will die? Can you explain me
It actually makes me smile to see both the hero and the villain like having fun and laughing together even though is creepy sometimes
but then you realize Batman chokes Joker at the end, which is why Joker stopped laughing
@@SurpremeCalamitas Wrong,he does not kill him the Joker does metion this exact encounter later in Comics again
@@gremmlingee what did he say?
@@gremmlingee i wanna know too
@@gremmlingeehe clearly killed joker Batman holding someone shoulders and laughing is extremely out of character and creepy
And when Batman started laughing, Joker realized that Batman was scarier laughing than being serious, dark and gritty.
Well he was ending Joker's life then, so yeah.
Love this scene in the comic. Especially the very ending.. Batman grabs joker while laughing looking kinda devilish and demonic. The last three panels. You can see the ground with the water. On the water you can see a reflection of light. It looks like the beam of light of the flashlight. In the very last panel the light is suddenly gone. It's dark.
Batman turned off the flashlight.
It's a shame this movie missed this essential and symbolic part.
Comment Beast well the animator needed to make more money..
" i dont want to hurt you"
"i dont want either of us to end up killing the other" "but were running outta alternatives"
batman implied to stop this one of them would end up killing the other. He gave the joker one last alternative but he refused it and batman knew at that point he would have to kill him. its sad but obvious at the same time something i never thought i see
Joker was no more likely to step down than batman was, flip the table and the outcome would remain. You make your bed and you sleep in it, if for no other reason than it's your own.
Dark Elf batman gave a laugh to the joker as a gift before he ended his life. Think about it
Fresca Demente I have read everything about this comic and THAT was something I didn't think of before.. this is why D.C. Comics will always be 1000x better than marvel
And why batman will always be the best
The joke on the end cast batman as the lunatic shining his flashlight over the gulf thinking it could carry the joker over.
Kit Cat its no fair you guys had Alan Moore
The fact that Batman and the Joker were laughing together is enough to keep me going haha
why does the joker stop laughing early on?
because Batman kills him.
chokes him?
Probably
in the original comic the theory was batman snapped his neck but that comic is still canon so thats impossible but this movie is not cannon in any timeline so it is possible here
Batman doesn't kill him. The ending is 100% ambiguous and if I remember correctly Moore simply intended it as a laugh between friends or some such, nothing malicious behind it.