Let’s be real it’s a huge class thing. She’s very wealthy and I’m sure her children are well travelled. As a working class kid I could never do that. Even travelling to Manchester for the day was a huge journey for me as I never travelled much.
I think you are correct, it is a class thing. Not only are the upper middle classes wealthy, but they do not treat their children like infants through their teenage years. Working class families tend to infantilise their children, and see them as babies at 12, 14 and 16 years old and beyond. A large part of the differences between the class groups is that of attitudes.
@@TB-us7el exactly! I worked for a luxury taxi company in London and one morning I had to sort a booking for a 8 year old to travel without a parent all the way to Scotland to his boarding school.
No at 15 no matter what anyone says your brain is not fully developed, the world is not as it was with drugs and every thing else that goes with them. How many times have we read about young people going missing and they are older regardless of having mobile phones.
Scandinavia. A few yrs ago, parents who were very experienced with boats, were allowing and aiding their 15 yr old daughter to sail alone across the Atlantic. Social Services intervened and stopped the project; I am with the latter
I absolutely would not be ok with this. I don't have children but I do feel like the traffickers and people who kidnap people for their organs would have a field day if we started letting teenagers travel around abroad. Yes it sounds unlikely but I'm sure everyone's who's child went missing or was murdered thought it wouldn't happen to their child.
exactly, and the same parents are screaming about carbon footprint, less unnecessary traveling .... if every parent was like trendy hypocrite Allsopp, the earth's temp would skyrocket ..... if the carbon thing were real!
When i got to 15 i had all the freedom in the world, last year of secondary school, was close to leaving, so nearly 16! Dad said these will be the best years of your life, go and enjoy them, and he was right, as it was the 80s, so best decade to, in my opinion! i was 15-20, in 85-90! I had already been working in my Auntie and Uncle's newsagents since 14 for extra money, and loved it! Myself and 2 best friends all looked a little older done up, so we passed for 18, and started going out on the town clubbing and drinking, it was wonderful, and my Dad would pick us up at about 2.30-3am, unless told otherwise, if we had pulled or something lol so always safe, lived in a very nice town anyway, not really any trouble, still live here now! I also went abroad with my one best mate at 16 to Rhodes for 2 weeks, had fantastic time, no problems at all!! Also met my first proper boyfriend at 15, he was 18, best 2 years of my life, so intense, until i messed it up!! My parents were my world, as i was theirs, i was adopted, all they ever wanted, and they have done so much for me, to make sure i have a good future! I could not have asked for better parents, and they told be very often they could not have asked for a better daughter, so hopefully i made them pretty happy to!!
Didn’t he turn 16 just after he got home? Didn’t parliament suggest giving 16yr olds the vote so what is it are they adults and can vote or shall we all agree they are still kids cut them some slack
@@pememepee. But travelling from Charing Cross to Kent is different from letting your 15 year old son travel on his own across Europe, there so many hazards he will come across, he could be kidnapped, get seriously injured, there needs to be an adult there supervising him every step of the journey. I think it is a bit naive and irresponsible for Kirsty Alsopp to let him do this, no wonder social services were brought in to investigate this, something like this should not happen.
@@Pep_is_a_God_1604. What is the likelihood of that happening? Let's be honest, a child of his background is going to be rather more worldly and experienced in navigating the world than the typical child. Would it be fine at 16, because you couldn't stop him then?
@@TB-us7el Why should he be more worldly wise just because his parents have money? We are working class and our daughter has travelled to many destinations across the world with us.
1:44 Huh? So should all 15 year olds outside of your town not be allowed out because their areas are unsafe? Think about what you’re saying. Where they went, there were other kids the same age and they are massively more streetwise than 40yrs olds were at that age. Do you know that the £Billions we are giving to Ukraine is to, in part, put guns in the hands of their 15 year old soldiers. You can’t support that but not this.
every day children & teens go missing and are never seen again by their parents; i think if Kirstie went to the missing person agencies in the uk and abroad, read some of the accounts - eg sex trafficking- she may have second thoughts; I recall how one young idealist pro Moslem American couple cycled across Europe & the Middle East, proclaiming that the stories of IISIS brutality were made up lies; both were beheaded, butchered, stopped on their bikes, when a passing driver overheard their American accents
is her child cycling across the Middle East? There is danger, but all danger is relative. The situations you describe are few and far between and can often be avoided. I can't see her child happening upon these scenarios.
@@TB-us7el The situation I am have my opinion on are the thousands of teens who go missing every year across Britain and Europe every yr; the levels are not falling, espec. with the continual growth of migrants and the criminals who 'aid' them Everyone has their opinion - I simply would not let my 15 yr old go across Europe by any method w/o adults Reading between the lines, she is going with her boyfriend - that's just a personal hunch. [my story on the teens butchered was just a side issue, a caveat - I used it to point out people's naivety; I could mention thousands of other cases of unsolved disappearances, murders, rapes....
Well done Kirstie, seems i had parents a lot like you! It really does depend on the maturity of the person, i study and watch a lot of true crime, and i see women of 25,30 and older making stupid mistakes all the time, putting themselves in ridiculous dangerous positions! Like walking home alone at 2am, taking shortcuts in dark alleys, so many stupid decisions, and i as a 15/16 year who's brain was apparently not fully developed yet NEVER made these stupid mistakes, and still have have not to this day!!!! So lets cut the BS about brain not being fully developed BS, some people just grow up way quicker than others and are way more sensible, i was that is way i got the freedom i did , and stayed safe!! Some people are just idiots, all their life!!
Kirstie says its " ridiculous". Well she would wouldnt she ? Shes part of that set that believe tough laws and rules should apply to us prolls, but never to her. Clarkson is the same, these TV Toffs, who believe the laws of the land were all made for other people.
Context is needed. Her child is clearly trustworthy and I'm glad she did it. Certain children aren't. Let's not forget you can have a child at 16-17. She's done nothing wrong
@@Bickle121 it is a gradient, a 15yr old is not the same at a 10yr old or 12yr old. A child of his background is likely much more wordly than the typical child his age.
@@TB-us7el yes it's a gradient, someone in year 10 or 11 at school should not be travelling alone through random European countries.......that's insane. Even a nerdy, sensible intelligent posh kid like Kirsty's, that's insane.
@@Bickle121 why insane? if he is wise and staying on the 'beaten track' then I don't see the extraordinary risk. He lives in London, so everyday has potential dangers as bad as in much of Europe. If he was a few months older (16) he could have gone without Kirstie being able to tell him no either way.
@@Bickle121 Really stupid comparison, NO they were idiots, and my parents would never left me at that age, did not let me out of their sight when i was younger, like most parents!! However once i got to 15 i had all the freedom in the world, last year of secondary school, was close to leaving, so nearly 16! Dad said these will be the best years of your life, go and enjoy them, and he was right, as it was the 80s, so best decade to, in my opinion! i was 15-20, in 85-90! I had already been working in my Auntie and Uncle's newsagents since 14 for extra money, and loved it! Myself and 2 best friends all looked a little older done up, so we passed for 18, and started going out on the town clubbing and drinking, it was wonderful, and my Dad would pick us up at about 2.30-3am, unless told otherwise, if we had pulled or something lol so always safe, lived in a very nice town anyway, not really any trouble, still live here now! I also went abroad with my one best mate at 16 to Rhodes for 2 weeks, had fantastic time, no problems at all!! Also met my first proper boyfriend at 15, he was 18, best 2 years of my life, so intense, until i messed it up!! My parents were my world, as i was theirs, i was adopted, all they ever wanted, and they have done so much for me, to make sure i have a good future! I could not have asked for better parents, and they told be very often they could not have asked for a better daughter, so hopefully i made them pretty happy to!!
No disrespect BUT have you all not seen what has been happening around the world … Riots, stabbings and not forgetting the danger from illegal immigrants towards white children. So yeah the world is a scary place. My daughter is 16 I won’t let her go on sleepovers at her friends houses . 300+ children go missing in the UK every week.
Immigrants are not targeting white children so you don’t need to worry about that. I think at 16 you’ve got to let them at least go to sleepovers. They have to learn how to handle freedom and become an adult. I’m cautious, I always make sure I know the parents and my kids have their phones and can call day or night but we can’t wrap them in cotton wool - much as I’d like to - It’s definitely terrifying having to let go a little.
Let’s be real it’s a huge class thing. She’s very wealthy and I’m sure her children are well travelled.
As a working class kid I could never do that. Even travelling to Manchester for the day was a huge journey for me as I never travelled much.
I think you are correct, it is a class thing. Not only are the upper middle classes wealthy, but they do not treat their children like infants through their teenage years. Working class families tend to infantilise their children, and see them as babies at 12, 14 and 16 years old and beyond. A large part of the differences between the class groups is that of attitudes.
@@TB-us7el exactly! I worked for a luxury taxi company in London and one morning I had to sort a booking for a 8 year old to travel without a parent all the way to Scotland to his boarding school.
If he's been to boarding school he's probably used to doing things independently anyway.
No at 15 no matter what anyone says your brain is not fully developed, the world is not as it was with drugs and every thing else that goes with them. How many times have we read about young people going missing and they are older regardless of having mobile phones.
Scandinavia. A few yrs ago, parents who were very experienced with boats, were allowing and aiding their 15 yr old daughter to sail alone across the Atlantic. Social Services intervened and stopped the project; I am with the latter
Its much more dangerous to travel now.
The world is very different.
Also, kids are far less aware of what they are doing.
I absolutely would not be ok with this. I don't have children but I do feel like the traffickers and people who kidnap people for their organs would have a field day if we started letting teenagers travel around abroad. Yes it sounds unlikely but I'm sure everyone's who's child went missing or was murdered thought it wouldn't happen to their child.
exactly, and the same parents are screaming about carbon footprint, less unnecessary traveling .... if every parent was like trendy hypocrite Allsopp, the earth's temp would skyrocket ..... if the carbon thing were real!
Storm looks mighty fine today.
When i got to 15 i had all the freedom in the world, last year of secondary school, was close to leaving, so nearly 16!
Dad said these will be the best years of your life, go and enjoy them, and he was right, as it was the 80s, so best decade to, in my opinion! i was 15-20, in 85-90!
I had already been working in my Auntie and Uncle's newsagents since 14 for extra money, and loved it!
Myself and 2 best friends all looked a little older done up, so we passed for 18, and started going out on the town clubbing and drinking, it was wonderful, and my Dad would pick us up at about 2.30-3am, unless told otherwise, if we had pulled or something lol so always safe, lived in a very nice town anyway, not really any trouble, still live here now!
I also went abroad with my one best mate at 16 to Rhodes for 2 weeks, had fantastic time, no problems at all!!
Also met my first proper boyfriend at 15, he was 18, best 2 years of my life, so intense, until i messed it up!!
My parents were my world, as i was theirs, i was adopted, all they ever wanted, and they have done so much for me, to make sure i have a good future!
I could not have asked for better parents, and they told be very often they could not have asked for a better daughter, so hopefully i made them pretty happy to!!
15 is absolutely insane,
The age is almost irrelevant. It's a question of competency. I know full blown adults would struggle travelling around Europe
I couldn't agree more.
In this country the middle class do what they want. As working class boy l was at work at 15 .
Didn’t he turn 16 just after he got home? Didn’t parliament suggest giving 16yr olds the vote so what is it are they adults and can vote or shall we all agree they are still kids cut them some slack
At 16 I started work in central London, used the underground and bus everyday I expect Interrail is safer!!!
Me too, at fifteen working at selfridges offices up stairs and travelling from Kent to charing cross alone
@@pememepee. But travelling from Charing Cross to Kent is different from letting your 15 year old son travel on his own across Europe, there so many hazards he will come across, he could be kidnapped, get seriously injured, there needs to be an adult there supervising him every step of the journey. I think it is a bit naive and irresponsible for Kirsty Alsopp to let him do this, no wonder social services were brought in to investigate this, something like this should not happen.
@@Pep_is_a_God_1604.With all going on in the UK at the moment, do you think he's safe staying at home? Her child, her decision
@@Pep_is_a_God_1604. What is the likelihood of that happening? Let's be honest, a child of his background is going to be rather more worldly and experienced in navigating the world than the typical child. Would it be fine at 16, because you couldn't stop him then?
@@TB-us7el
Why should he be more worldly wise just because his parents have money? We are working class and our daughter has travelled to many destinations across the world with us.
1:44
Huh?
So should all 15 year olds outside of your town not be allowed out because their areas are unsafe?
Think about what you’re saying.
Where they went, there were other kids the same age and they are massively more streetwise than 40yrs olds were at that age.
Do you know that the £Billions we are giving to Ukraine is to, in part, put guns in the hands of their 15 year old soldiers.
You can’t support that but not this.
Yes it depends on the child.
He was with older friends too
Her child was with a 16 year old, so not a child on their own. When I was 17, I rented a flat, so wasn’t under supervision from my folks.
every day children & teens go missing and are never seen again by their parents; i think if Kirstie went to the missing person agencies in the uk and abroad, read some of the accounts - eg sex trafficking- she may have second thoughts;
I recall how one young idealist pro Moslem American couple cycled across Europe & the Middle East, proclaiming that the stories of IISIS brutality were made up lies; both were beheaded, butchered, stopped on their bikes, when a passing driver overheard their American accents
is her child cycling across the Middle East? There is danger, but all danger is relative. The situations you describe are few and far between and can often be avoided. I can't see her child happening upon these scenarios.
@@TB-us7el The situation I am have my opinion on are the thousands of teens who go missing every year across Britain and Europe every yr; the levels are not falling, espec. with the continual growth of migrants and the criminals who 'aid' them
Everyone has their opinion - I simply would not let my 15 yr old go across Europe by any method w/o adults
Reading between the lines, she is going with her boyfriend - that's just a personal hunch.
[my story on the teens butchered was just a side issue, a caveat - I used it to point out people's naivety; I could mention thousands of other cases of unsolved disappearances, murders, rapes....
Well done Kirstie, seems i had parents a lot like you!
It really does depend on the maturity of the person, i study and watch a lot of true crime, and i see women of 25,30 and older making stupid mistakes all the time, putting themselves in ridiculous dangerous positions!
Like walking home alone at 2am, taking shortcuts in dark alleys, so many stupid decisions, and i as a 15/16 year who's brain was apparently not fully developed yet NEVER made these stupid mistakes, and still have have not to this day!!!!
So lets cut the BS about brain not being fully developed BS, some people just grow up way quicker than others and are way more sensible, i was that is way i got the freedom i did , and stayed safe!! Some people are just idiots, all their life!!
Kirstie says its " ridiculous". Well she would wouldnt she ? Shes part of that set that believe tough laws and rules should apply to us prolls, but never to her. Clarkson is the same, these TV Toffs, who believe the laws of the land were all made for other people.
Teach them self reliance! Good on her
Context is needed. Her child is clearly trustworthy and I'm glad she did it. Certain children aren't. Let's not forget you can have a child at 16-17. She's done nothing wrong
It's a kid, trustworthy or not it's a child
@@Bickle121 it is a gradient, a 15yr old is not the same at a 10yr old or 12yr old. A child of his background is likely much more wordly than the typical child his age.
@@TB-us7el yes it's a gradient, someone in year 10 or 11 at school should not be travelling alone through random European countries.......that's insane.
Even a nerdy, sensible intelligent posh kid like Kirsty's, that's insane.
@@Bickle121 why insane? if he is wise and staying on the 'beaten track' then I don't see the extraordinary risk. He lives in London, so everyday has potential dangers as bad as in much of Europe. If he was a few months older (16) he could have gone without Kirstie being able to tell him no either way.
@@TB-us7el in London he speaks the language and knows his way around.
He's in year 10 or 11 at school, it's crazy.
It's the parents decision, if something happens they got to live with it
Do you think Madeline Mccans parents were right then? They made a decision
@@Bickle121 Really stupid comparison, NO they were idiots, and my parents would never left me at that age, did not let me out of their sight when i was younger, like most parents!!
However once i got to 15 i had all the freedom in the world, last year of secondary school, was close to leaving, so nearly 16!
Dad said these will be the best years of your life, go and enjoy them, and he was right, as it was the 80s, so best decade to, in my opinion! i was 15-20, in 85-90!
I had already been working in my Auntie and Uncle's newsagents since 14 for extra money, and loved it!
Myself and 2 best friends all looked a little older done up, so we passed for 18, and started going out on the town clubbing and drinking, it was wonderful, and my Dad would pick us up at about 2.30-3am, unless told otherwise, if we had pulled or something lol so always safe, lived in a very nice town anyway, not really any trouble, still live here now!
I also went abroad with my one best mate at 16 to Rhodes for 2 weeks, had fantastic time, no problems at all!!
Also met my first proper boyfriend at 15, he was 18, best 2 years of my life, so intense, until i messed it up!!
My parents were my world, as i was theirs, i was adopted, all they ever wanted, and they have done so much for me, to make sure i have a good future!
I could not have asked for better parents, and they told be very often they could not have asked for a better daughter, so hopefully i made them pretty happy to!!
No disrespect BUT have you all not seen what has been happening around the world … Riots, stabbings and not forgetting the danger from illegal immigrants towards white children. So yeah the world is a scary place. My daughter is 16 I won’t let her go on sleepovers at her friends houses . 300+ children go missing in the UK every week.
Immigrants are not targeting white children so you don’t need to worry about that. I think at 16 you’ve got to let them at least go to sleepovers. They have to learn how to handle freedom and become an adult. I’m cautious, I always make sure I know the parents and my kids have their phones and can call day or night but we can’t wrap them in cotton wool - much as I’d like to - It’s definitely terrifying having to let go a little.
You can sail around the world solo when you are 14 though?! (admittedly Netherlands and after long legal battle!!!).
At 16 I joined the army!
Where you are looked after completely and safe....... what a stupid comparison
@@olixz
No comparison.
Surely its safer being out of London for the summer 🤷♂️
Lol I went around France with my friends when I was 15
I left home at 15 left the country at 16 traveled most of europe and returned at 21 best thing I ever did