@@dimitrisaivaliotis5616he returned it with the typical 30-45 day money back policy and bought a Chinese epiphone les Paul the thick poly finish at $350 he can live with lol
If you're buying it for collector reasons, absolutely. I play mine out so within 2 months mine look pretty rough. Like they were dragged through a war!
This is what the guitar community has turned into. People knit picking every insignificant detail about a hand made instrument. If you want a machine built instrument stick cheap guitars made in Southeast Asia.
You are absolutely correct sir. Anyone that has ever watched the videos on how these guitars are made (by hand) would wonder how they come out looking as perfect as they are. Each one is a piece of art.
I have been a gigging and studio guitarist for over 50 years. During that time I have owned many Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, Rickenbacker and other guitars. Today’s Fenders, Gibsons and Gretsches are just not being made to the same standards they were 50 or more years ago. For one third the price one can purchase a PRS SE model guitar that will be as good, if not better, better quality than any Gibson made today for under $4,000. For $4,000 one can purchase a PRS Core model the is superb in every way.
Were you planning on not playing it and just look at it with a bottle of lotion in your lap? Dude..did it is going to get dings and scratches. That is nothing.
yeah, your right that some people might find that nit picking but i absolutely agree, for 2k i wouldnt accept it either and Gibson should know better!!! I have 1k charvels and Ibbys that have better craftsmanship at half the cost. Dont blame you a bit for sending it back!!
Go buy used / pre-owned. It stops all the nitpicking. I never buy new, I look for a demo, b stock, open-box or used in near mint. You save good money and the few defects won’t matter. This is a tool not an art piece. If you play it, it’s gonna wear. If you’re buying it to look at, that’s crazy town. I care more about tone and feel.
Not disagreeing with you. You raised some definitely bad finish issues. But personally I love how tight my SG fits in that case. It hasn't caused any finish marks on my guitar. And I know it's not moving around in there when transporting it.
I returned a Fender Professional 2 Precision Bass for far worse flaws. Every screw was wonky in the pickguard. One screw was so bad it broke the wood wall into the electronics cavity. The truss rod hole was offside. The pickguard was lifting and warped. An 61 SG I looked recently had a truss rod cover that was clearly wonky. These things would annoy me for life.
Sane is spending 2k on a guitar that was slipped together and instantly worth half its value? At least with a good one you could get 1,300 maybe 1,500 if your lucky.
@@jed_shred_guitars a Benedetto cost's over $20,000 and that's the level of quality you expect from a line production Gibson. 3000 is fair for what we get.
As always, appreciate your real world, boots-on-the-ground look at this kinda stuff. I've recently been considering adding a used SG Standard to the stable, and I would expect to find a used example looking something like this: some cosmetic finish flaws, some bumps and scuffs, but in otherwise excellent condition for significantly less than MSRP. And that's great. Brand new from the factory for $2k? Not in my house either. Back she goes! It's a reminder that the US has higher-paid labor, not necessarily better labor. There is a distinction, and the two are not mutually exclusive.
I thought the headstock thing was a funny observation, but the scuffs on the sides, that would bother me. I don't think the case should be that tight. I love the sg in brown though
If it was just the headstock I would take it as the guitars has its own personality and how I could pick mine out of all the rest. The scuffs on the sides from the case would definitely have me send it back as well. Used… fine .. but brand new.. no.
Gibson's prices these days require absolute perfection. Until everyone starts demanding that, they'll just keep raising the prices for "luck of the draw" instruments. It took me going through a dozen of the LP Special P90 TV Yellow models before I got one that still only met two out of five criteria that I wanted. I bought two of the Epiphone versions that did better. That's ridiculous!
The guitar is going to either be played or it’s wall candy or worse. I’d ask for some money off and definitely keep it. Most of those lacquer blems can probably be made practically invisible. Do you play much or is it for show? If you get one thats ‘perfect’ it will eventually get marked somehow. My $4,000 Gibson LP had a really tiny defect and the store chopped a substantial amount off. Yeah, it WAS perfect, but I’ll ding it one day anyway. Play the freakin’ thing man. It’s beautiful the way it is.
It was not done by a cnc machine. It was hand made. If you wanted a cnc made guitar such as that Ibanez bass you said is perfect then that’s all you buddy lol. Original 50s and 60s models were worse and equivalent to that cost you are crying about. Your video made me die of laughter I appreciate it. I was expecting something severe, however you’re crying about minuscule nitro issues…
I just had to sell one myself it was a choice of getting Rid of my 2021 Epiphone Custom Koa Les Paul or my 2019 Gibson Standard Les paul..it was a easy choice I said good bye to the Gibson..
I got a SG Modern 2021 in November 2021, I opened the case and all four clear knobs were shattered and the guitar wasn't well placed into the case. I emailed Gibson about it explaining in great detail the state of the guitar when I opened the case and sent them pictures at every angle. I got a response asking "what exactly is wrong?" and "send the serial number of the broken piece", emphasis on piece not the serial number of the guitar. 1. Identified the problem and sent them pictures. 2. How in the world would I know a serial number of clear knobs that aren't sold separately anywhere. The pickup noise was driving me insane until I moved the ground wire into a proper position. The Action was also way too low and Neck needed to be readjusted, so much for their setup job. Honestly it's ridiculous. The guitar was literally a few days out of the factory and in that condition. $2400 wasn't worth it and I will never buy anything from Gibson again.
You will have marks all over it within a year. Play the strings instead of rubbing the horn or headstock. Mahogany marks up easy so get used to it. Must be wimp to have store in garage over new guitar smell. Most of us love it
Quite hilarious after watching this video earlier I stopped by GC which is not usual for me. They had one of these so I played it for a while and ended up buying it. That’s about the only way I’ll buy a Gibson these days. Hope you were able to get a great one. Mine was flawless and was just put on the wall a few days ago so no paw prints yet.
I’d send it back too. The drunks at Gibson may sober up and take finishing seriously, if more people send them back. The Japanese are laughing their asses off!
In '21 I had to return two Gibson Sothern Jumbos for major cosmetic and playability issues. I was amazed at some of the flaws. How they made it through QC is beyond me. I have a Les Paul but now I'm a PRS guy. No QC issues whatsoever.
They screwed up with the grain filler that’s why ya got those sinking spots. They sprayed the finish on and it sunk into the grain. No bueno that should have been a B stock guitar and discounted.
I feel you bro, that headstock thing would ruin the vibe everytime I would play it. I got the way cheaper Epiphone SG standard inspired by Gibson for £400 and had some minor scratches on the pickguard. So for 2000$ for a Gibson you expect perfection and quality. No brainer you returned it.
I can overlook some cosmetic issues on the body, headstock, knobs, etc but any QC issues with the neck, frets or fretboard are completely unacceptable.
I'm done buying Gibson guitars . Their QC is garbage . Gibson is owned by shareholders who only care about quick profit on their investment . Their guitars are grossly overpriced . Even the custom shop guitars have horrible QC . Trogleys new review of the Ritchie Fawkner V shows how much Gibson QC is right back to their ways .
Normally I'd say if it sounds great and plays great, whatever. However it's nicer to put your own marks from usage and if it doesn't say relic/blemished edition so your whining is relatable. You will get your money's worth with a PRS anytime, even an S2, however I don't think you'll quite get the aggro and wits of a good Gibson. You have to look and look before finding your Gibson, truth is.
If the back of the headstock has a natural finish, it's a good way to tell if the open-book profile is spot on. You can see the wings they glue on through a clearcoat because their grain is different, and both should be the same width. I was able to negotiate a free $550 Blackstar HT5R-MKII combo and a 10 pack of D'addario strings out of Sweetwater because whoever sanded the headstock on my Std 50s LP goldtop went a bit heavy on one side. I'm talking a very minimal amount. Like, not even 2/64's... and the ground wire from the pickup selector was loose, so I just soldered it back tight. It was already a replacement for the same model that had major finish flaking issues. So it was either go through another swap or negotiate. I negotiated because this LP is under 9 lbs, has no finish issues, has a really dark fretboard, and plays like butter. Unfortunately, there's always gonna be flaws with Gibson production guitars. Of course there's exceptions but they're uncommon. I feel like I made the right move. If it was my only guitar, then I'd nitpick until I got a perfect one, or maybe even look at the Custom Shop, but I already have a sick stable of really good guitars so I can accept this small, nearly undetectable flaw... especially with the bargain I got for it.
I think Gibson will eventually put there selves out of business. I am on my 3rd Tony Iommi and have not checked it out yet. But my Les Paul special is not perfect. And I have been through 2 SG Juniors and the second is not perfect. I hope Gibson is watching this Video. Epiphone has better quality.
$2000 in today's economy is not much at all. Boutique guitars in the $5000 to $10,000 range may get you a near flawless finish. To illustrate my point: $2,000 of today's worthless Federal Reserve Notes would almost get you a new Strat in 1954. You can whine all you want to but what you'd paid for that SG is not all that much. It might be to you or to some other young person but it's not that much.
The reason people pay Gibson two or three times more for their guitars than they pay to other good brands is the quality. Really, this is it, the quality. If quality of craftsmanship is worse than it's in $400 guitars, that is unacceptable. When you buy a new Gibson you pay 30% for the guitar and 70% for the logo and workmanship on the best level. I wouldn't keep that Gibson either.
I had to go through 7, yes seven LP’s from multiple distributors before I found one that didn’t have finish issues. Gibsons QAQC is complete shit. I would have thought with the new administration they would be better, but I guess not
I played one of these at guitar center. The neck left something to be desired, just no life in it. Maybe I am spoiled by LP's. The SG standard has a better, more lively neck and they seem just in general better quality. I believe the year matters, I think the more recent 2022 - 2023 are better. Still for 2,000 they are overrated. I think I'm going to go back to Tokai. So far haven't been dissapointed.
It's probably the lighting, but in the video the headstock looks "cloudy." Those scuff marks on the finish are pretty bad, that should've been sold as b-stock imo.
Yes, you are a perfectionist.....and you are whining.....but I agree with you 100%. OMG, one saves their money to get that dream guitar, and it comes not almost perfect? WTF! And then to add to the insult, the playability is awesome. I'm torn!!!!
I bought a Fender Telecaster too that I had to send back because of stuff that should have been caught in QC. Like the tone knob didn't work.... It seems QC is an afterthought with some manufactures. When you pay this much money it should be better.
The open book headstock is correct for a real vintage. Not sure exactly when it became a uniform cut . Back in 50s that's exactly how headstock looked. Vintage collectors look for this to tell if it's not a fake. Personally I'd rather have a modern one for the modern times.. you can look up on utube.. nice guitar..I'd keep it & play it to death .. gonna get broken in anyway..✌️
I love my Gibsons. But honestly I will not buy another one. 1. LP Studio had wood filler in between the neck and the neck binding (I got a replacement and it’s great) 2. J-45 Came to me with the electronics hanging by a wire and loose & banging around inside the guitar 3. LP Special has a fucking ridge in between the neck & the fretboard (who let this one leave?) 4. There will not be a 4… 5. Fender Ultra/Pro II & 2 MIM’s are all flawless 6. PRS CE 24 extra flawless.
This is pure speculation on my part; however, I do believe I am partially if not completely right. Each guitar made has to pass a quality inspection. In many instances, they do not pass. Often times for the same reasons you have pointed out here. The guitars are then sold to dealers at discounted rates. The dealers are not extending the discounts on to the consumer.
With a stack of middle managers that are better at kissing ass than actually managing a factory. Been there done that. The people on the floor are barely making over minimum wage and expected to do the job of two people with broken equipment and inadequate supplies. Gibson is especially bad. Trust me it’s a management issue, not a wage issue. The wage thing is an excuse.
You have every right to feel this way. So many people say, well if you buy a Gibson you can expect for there to be defects, this simply should not be!! It’s sad that Gibson can put out a sub par product and people overlook this. Would anyone overlook this for a vehicle or an Appliance…..heck no!!
If I were making those guitars I would have never let one leave looking like that. I don't blame you for sending it back. I have a Gibson sg and it doesn't look like that. They're definitely over priced and I'd rather buy a Kiesel any day. I promise I have 3 or 4 hundred dollar guitars with better finishes than that Gibson has.
It is a pity because aside from all these issues the guitar looks very nice especially the fretboard and the body grain. I agree though, personally I can live with a ding or two but in this case it is too much. Also asymmetrical stuff once you see them you can't unsee, it may sound bs but they can ruin a guitar for me too.
I have a gison les paul and an Epiphone les paul..... the Epiphone out does the gibson by a large margin..... attention to detail is what I look for and the Epiphone is near perfect only issue is with the tuners.... not the best... but the rest of the guitar is perfect.... the gibson has finish issues and the neck has sharp frets... truss rod wasn't adjusted properly....and the pots are way to tight....if you just wanting a player guitar...buy and Epiphone
I agree when you pay $2K for the guitar the owner has the right to complain about anything that makes them not 100% happy with the guitar! I am in the process of of buying another Les paul. My R7 is awesome but i want a burst and have been considering a 50's standard but to be honest i am seeing too many others pointing out issues with gibson guitars. The 50's standards are almost $3K and from what i am hearing it will be next to impossible to get a flawless one? My alternatives are real limited. I have considered seeing if a can get one hand picked if i pay extra.
i did not know anyone still bought gibsons? i ordered a new double neck and it was like the binding on both necks was sunken lower than the finish, plus all sorts of finish issues. waited a year for it and tried to get over the defects.....sold it! $300 what ever branded guitars are better fit and finish. once you've had a few gibsons it's like you get over the brand name and you actually demand your money's worth.
I’m like you I would be pissed. I was considering buying a 64 SG standard but after seeing this I may pass. I have owned snd play still regularly a 77 Les Paul custom I bought new. It’s always been my main guitar. But the weight as I get older wears me down lately. But I don’t even know if I can adjust to another tone after all these years. I am a Gibson guy but QC doesn’t seem to be a priory with the brand. I was a lifelong Ford guy but won’t buy another Ford with there QC issues. So thanks guy or pointing out these issues.
This is really the only answer. The only real way to get a flawless one is to pick it out at the store. Unfortunately sometimes the store does not have what you are after.
the neck was glued on at the wrong angle on the 61 standard sg i bought weeks ago..i returned it..bought a les paul...they are trying to sell it still at gc..the paul is fantastic..the sg was unable to be set up..is gc going down again too.
Expectations of quality is the entire reason you're paying that much money for it. Those scuffs in the finish are just unacceptable.
Finally what happened with that sg?
@@dimitrisaivaliotis5616he returned it with the typical 30-45 day money back policy and bought a Chinese epiphone les Paul the thick poly finish at $350 he can live with lol
For 2k yeah, definitely should be near perfect. "I cant unsee it" ive been there lol
If you're buying it for collector reasons, absolutely. I play mine out so within 2 months mine look pretty rough. Like they were dragged through a war!
You didn't plan on playing that guitar?
Was it just gonna be a display piece?
You might want a Custom Shop if that's the case...imolol
I would play that guitar every day till my last. After that, you would never notice any factory flaws. Anyway, I hope you find the right one for you!
This is what the guitar community has turned into. People knit picking every insignificant detail about a hand made instrument. If you want a machine built instrument stick cheap guitars made in Southeast Asia.
You are absolutely correct sir. Anyone that has ever watched the videos on how these guitars are made (by hand) would wonder how they come out looking as perfect as they are. Each one is a piece of art.
I have been a gigging and studio guitarist for over 50 years. During that time I have owned many Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, Rickenbacker and other guitars. Today’s Fenders, Gibsons and Gretsches are just not being made to the same standards they were 50 or more years ago. For one third the price one can purchase a PRS SE model guitar that will be as good, if not better, better quality than any Gibson made today for under $4,000. For $4,000 one can purchase a PRS Core model the is superb in every way.
Were you planning on not playing it and just look at it with a bottle of lotion in your lap? Dude..did it is going to get dings and scratches. That is nothing.
yeah, your right that some people might find that nit picking but i absolutely agree, for 2k i wouldnt accept it either and Gibson should know better!!! I have 1k charvels and Ibbys that have better craftsmanship at half the cost. Dont blame you a bit for sending it back!!
Seeing that headstock. Reminds me when I got my first chibson 😂
I don’t mind putting my OWN wear and tear on a finish from playing it. But if I spent 2k+ tax and got this I’d have a whole fit.
i just got my SG Standard HP 2016 for £725, love it to bits
Go buy used / pre-owned. It stops all the nitpicking. I never buy new, I look for a demo, b stock, open-box or used in near mint. You save good money and the few defects won’t matter. This is a tool not an art piece. If you play it, it’s gonna wear.
If you’re buying it to look at, that’s crazy town. I care more about tone and feel.
Not disagreeing with you. You raised some definitely bad finish issues. But personally I love how tight my SG fits in that case. It hasn't caused any finish marks on my guitar. And I know it's not moving around in there when transporting it.
I returned a Fender Professional 2 Precision Bass for far worse flaws. Every screw was wonky in the pickguard. One screw was so bad it broke the wood wall into the electronics cavity. The truss rod hole was offside. The pickguard was lifting and warped. An 61 SG I looked recently had a truss rod cover that was clearly wonky. These things would annoy me for life.
OMG!! But how does it feel and sound!😂
Mine was the same on the bevel. But Im sane and keeping it.
Sane is spending 2k on a guitar that was slipped together and instantly worth half its value? At least with a good one you could get 1,300 maybe 1,500 if your lucky.
@@jed_shred_guitars a Benedetto cost's over $20,000 and that's the level of quality you expect from a line production Gibson. 3000 is fair for what we get.
As always, appreciate your real world, boots-on-the-ground look at this kinda stuff. I've recently been considering adding a used SG Standard to the stable, and I would expect to find a used example looking something like this: some cosmetic finish flaws, some bumps and scuffs, but in otherwise excellent condition for significantly less than MSRP. And that's great. Brand new from the factory for $2k? Not in my house either. Back she goes! It's a reminder that the US has higher-paid labor, not necessarily better labor. There is a distinction, and the two are not mutually exclusive.
this is vintage version , for faster vintage,i have someone
I thought the headstock thing was a funny observation, but the scuffs on the sides, that would bother me. I don't think the case should be that tight. I love the sg in brown though
If it was just the headstock I would take it as the guitars has its own personality and how I could pick mine out of all the rest.
The scuffs on the sides from the case would definitely have me send it back as well. Used… fine .. but brand new.. no.
Gibson's prices these days require absolute perfection. Until everyone starts demanding that, they'll just keep raising the prices for "luck of the draw" instruments. It took me going through a dozen of the LP Special P90 TV Yellow models before I got one that still only met two out of five criteria that I wanted. I bought two of the Epiphone versions that did better. That's ridiculous!
The guitar is going to either be played or it’s wall candy or worse. I’d ask for some money off and definitely keep it. Most of those lacquer blems can probably be made practically invisible. Do you play much or is it for show? If you get one thats ‘perfect’ it will eventually get marked somehow. My $4,000 Gibson LP had a really tiny defect and the store chopped a substantial amount off. Yeah, it WAS perfect, but I’ll ding it one day anyway.
Play the freakin’ thing man. It’s beautiful the way it is.
Definitely not nit picking Gibson should be ashamed to let that leave the factory
You're absolutely right. Gibson's QC needs some work.
It was not done by a cnc machine. It was hand made. If you wanted a cnc made guitar such as that Ibanez bass you said is perfect then that’s all you buddy lol. Original 50s and 60s models were worse and equivalent to that cost you are crying about. Your video made me die of laughter I appreciate it. I was expecting something severe, however you’re crying about minuscule nitro issues…
I just had to sell one myself it was a choice of getting Rid of my 2021 Epiphone Custom Koa Les Paul or my 2019 Gibson Standard Les paul..it was a easy choice I said good bye to the Gibson..
You need to try vintage greco sg , its much better than gibson sg
I got a SG Modern 2021 in November 2021, I opened the case and all four clear knobs were shattered and the guitar wasn't well placed into the case. I emailed Gibson about it explaining in great detail the state of the guitar when I opened the case and sent them pictures at every angle. I got a response asking "what exactly is wrong?" and "send the serial number of the broken piece", emphasis on piece not the serial number of the guitar. 1. Identified the problem and sent them pictures. 2. How in the world would I know a serial number of clear knobs that aren't sold separately anywhere. The pickup noise was driving me insane until I moved the ground wire into a proper position. The Action was also way too low and Neck needed to be readjusted, so much for their setup job. Honestly it's ridiculous. The guitar was literally a few days out of the factory and in that condition. $2400 wasn't worth it and I will never buy anything from Gibson again.
You will have marks all over it within a year. Play the strings instead of rubbing the horn or headstock. Mahogany marks up easy so get used to it. Must be wimp to have store in garage over new guitar smell. Most of us love it
Important thing is : Are you creative to make songs with lyrics ?
Guitar could be from gypsy basement .
I totally agree, my ‘22 standard is definitely sub standard on the finishing although it plays great
Quite hilarious after watching this video earlier I stopped by GC which is not usual for me.
They had one of these so I played it for a while and ended up buying it.
That’s about the only way I’ll buy a Gibson these days.
Hope you were able to get a great one. Mine was flawless and was just put on the wall a few days ago so no paw prints yet.
In a way those murphy lab thing is a genius move.
Might as well beat the crap out of a brand new guitar and sell them heaps more. ~ r e l i c ~
I’d send it back too. The drunks at Gibson may sober up and take finishing seriously, if more people send them back. The Japanese are laughing their asses off!
If it sounds and plays great what's the problem ? Get a PRS custom , perfect finish but without the charisma .
I bought a Epiphone explorer with the fishman pickups for 800 and laugh all the way to the bank
In '21 I had to return two Gibson Sothern Jumbos for major cosmetic and playability issues. I was amazed at some of the flaws. How they made it through QC is beyond me.
I have a Les Paul but now I'm a PRS guy. No QC issues whatsoever.
They screwed up with the grain filler that’s why ya got those sinking spots. They sprayed the finish on and it sunk into the grain. No bueno that should have been a B stock guitar and discounted.
I feel you bro, that headstock thing would ruin the vibe everytime I would play it.
I got the way cheaper Epiphone SG standard inspired by Gibson for £400 and had some minor scratches on the pickguard. So for 2000$ for a Gibson you expect perfection and quality. No brainer you returned it.
It took me a lifetime to get a gibson ! I was 50yearsold !they should do a better job of quality control.
The headstock is designed that way. I mean the guitar has an asymmetrical bat wing body... really?
Thank you for not playing it 😂
B grade, reduced price, It's got to look much better for full retail. Shame Gibson.
2021 epiphone modern figured sg over Gibson standard and all day long
That is really terrible! Since the color is novel, could be a bad mix, didn't harden in time,
that is the way that Gibson USA does there headstocks
I can overlook some cosmetic issues on the body, headstock, knobs, etc but any QC issues with the neck, frets or fretboard are completely unacceptable.
So glad you still put videos up so I know your still breathing 😉
It's important 😊
that is just what you get when you buy Gibson, you can do so much better for a lot less cash
I'm done buying Gibson guitars . Their QC is garbage . Gibson is owned by shareholders who only care about quick profit on their investment . Their guitars are grossly overpriced . Even the custom shop guitars have horrible QC . Trogleys new review of the Ritchie Fawkner V shows how much Gibson QC is right back to their ways .
That’s so sad 😞 that you cannot buy one unfortunately🙄
Normally I'd say if it sounds great and plays great, whatever. However it's nicer to put your own marks from usage and if it doesn't say relic/blemished edition so your whining is relatable.
You will get your money's worth with a PRS anytime, even an S2, however I don't think you'll quite get the aggro and wits of a good Gibson. You have to look and look before finding your Gibson, truth is.
Well said
Every Gibson headstock has where the one side is more flat.
Shame, that's a stunning guitar
That's a beautiful guitar.
0:40 -OK I'm outta here.
Gibson have lost the plot. . The finish on the body is crap.
It’s beautiful otherwise,too bad for the blems.
If the back of the headstock has a natural finish, it's a good way to tell if the open-book profile is spot on. You can see the wings they glue on through a clearcoat because their grain is different, and both should be the same width. I was able to negotiate a free $550 Blackstar HT5R-MKII combo and a 10 pack of D'addario strings out of Sweetwater because whoever sanded the headstock on my Std 50s LP goldtop went a bit heavy on one side. I'm talking a very minimal amount. Like, not even 2/64's... and the ground wire from the pickup selector was loose, so I just soldered it back tight. It was already a replacement for the same model that had major finish flaking issues. So it was either go through another swap or negotiate. I negotiated because this LP is under 9 lbs, has no finish issues, has a really dark fretboard, and plays like butter. Unfortunately, there's always gonna be flaws with Gibson production guitars. Of course there's exceptions but they're uncommon. I feel like I made the right move. If it was my only guitar, then I'd nitpick until I got a perfect one, or maybe even look at the Custom Shop, but I already have a sick stable of really good guitars so I can accept this small, nearly undetectable flaw... especially with the bargain I got for it.
Sell it as Murphy-Aged on Reverb! lol
Gibson seems to be unaware of the concept of "fit and finish" or they just don't give a shit.
After this long I think it’s safe to say it’s the second one.
Well, I was all set to call you crazy, but that was just a tad to much.
I think Gibson will eventually put there selves out of business. I am on my 3rd Tony Iommi and have not checked it out yet. But my Les Paul special is not perfect. And I have been through 2 SG Juniors and the second is not perfect. I hope Gibson is watching this Video. Epiphone has better quality.
If it’s brand new, then it needs to be in brand new condition.
Oh no!! A blemish!!!!
Your right not going to listen
very petty ... wuss
Most epiphones are better quality than this crap coming out of Gibson
$2000 in today's economy is not much at all. Boutique guitars in the $5000 to $10,000 range may get you a near flawless finish. To illustrate my point: $2,000 of today's worthless Federal Reserve Notes would almost get you a new Strat in 1954. You can whine all you want to but what you'd paid for that SG is not all that much. It might be to you or to some other young person but it's not that much.
It's a lot of money to some......& yeah, unacceptable.
The reason people pay Gibson two or three times more for their guitars than they pay to other good brands is the quality. Really, this is it, the quality. If quality of craftsmanship is worse than it's in $400 guitars, that is unacceptable. When you buy a new Gibson you pay 30% for the guitar and 70% for the logo and workmanship on the best level. I wouldn't keep that Gibson either.
You're not whining. Your complaints are valid I wouldn't accept that guitar either! Send it back !
I had to go through 7, yes seven LP’s from multiple distributors before I found one that didn’t have finish issues. Gibsons QAQC is complete shit. I would have thought with the new administration they would be better, but I guess not
Don't blame you for returning the SG. Unacceptable for a new $2k guitar. I'd send it back too.
I played one of these at guitar center. The neck left something to be desired, just no life in it. Maybe I am spoiled by LP's. The SG standard has a better, more lively neck and they seem just in general better quality. I believe the year matters, I think the more recent 2022 - 2023 are better. Still for 2,000 they are overrated. I think I'm going to go back to Tokai. So far haven't been dissapointed.
It's probably the lighting, but in the video the headstock looks "cloudy." Those scuff marks on the finish are pretty bad, that should've been sold as b-stock imo.
Yes, you are a perfectionist.....and you are whining.....but I agree with you 100%.
OMG, one saves their money to get that dream guitar, and it comes not almost perfect? WTF!
And then to add to the insult, the playability is awesome.
I'm torn!!!!
I’d love to see a follow-up, showing what they replaced it with. Hopefully, the replacement was really checked out first.
I bought a Fender Telecaster too that I had to send back because of stuff that should have been caught in QC. Like the tone knob didn't work.... It seems QC is an afterthought with some manufactures. When you pay this much money it should be better.
I ordered a Epiphone SG Special on back order.If it comes like that I'll send it back and it only cost $180
The open book headstock is correct for a real vintage. Not sure exactly when it became a uniform cut . Back in 50s that's exactly how headstock looked. Vintage collectors look for this to tell if it's not a fake. Personally I'd rather have a modern one for the modern times.. you can look up on utube.. nice guitar..I'd keep it & play it to death .. gonna get broken in anyway..✌️
The idea that you have to consider sanding tooling marks out of a 2 grand guitar is insane. It should be literally perfect across the board.
I love my Gibsons. But honestly I will not buy another one.
1. LP Studio had wood filler in between the neck and the neck binding (I got a replacement and it’s great)
2. J-45 Came to me with the electronics hanging by a wire and loose & banging around inside the guitar
3. LP Special has a fucking ridge in between the neck & the fretboard (who let this one leave?)
4. There will not be a 4…
5. Fender Ultra/Pro II & 2 MIM’s are all flawless
6. PRS CE 24 extra flawless.
This is pure speculation on my part; however, I do believe I am partially if not completely right. Each guitar made has to pass a quality inspection. In many instances, they do not pass. Often times for the same reasons you have pointed out here. The guitars are then sold to dealers at discounted rates. The dealers are not extending the discounts on to the consumer.
Looks like he dropped it a few times , played it to make the scratches and then decided to make this video blaming Gibson .
Very poor finish, my 2022 Les Paul was perfect.
Americans building it are what made it $2000 not the time or detail put into the finish...
With a stack of middle managers that are better at kissing ass than actually managing a factory. Been there done that. The people on the floor are barely making over minimum wage and expected to do the job of two people with broken equipment and inadequate supplies. Gibson is especially bad. Trust me it’s a management issue, not a wage issue. The wage thing is an excuse.
You have every right to feel this way. So many people say, well if you buy a Gibson you can expect for there to be defects, this simply should not be!! It’s sad that Gibson can put out a sub par product and people overlook this. Would anyone overlook this for a vehicle or an Appliance…..heck no!!
Totally understand you, I’m a perfeccionist as well. I have a dinky Jackson MJ and it has some left paint in the switch that bothers me lol
I'd return an Epiphone with those flaws. If my Gibson had shown up like that, I'd be pissed.
You do you man, that's not debatable. Me, I'm a sucker for playability and tone, if the instrument really shines, I'll overlook most cosmetic issues.
If I were making those guitars I would have never let one leave looking like that. I don't blame you for sending it back. I have a Gibson sg and it doesn't look like that. They're definitely over priced and I'd rather buy a Kiesel any day. I promise I have 3 or 4 hundred dollar guitars with better finishes than that Gibson has.
It is a pity because aside from all these issues the guitar looks very nice especially the fretboard and the body grain. I agree though, personally I can live with a ding or two but in this case it is too much. Also asymmetrical stuff once you see them you can't unsee, it may sound bs but they can ruin a guitar for me too.
I have a gison les paul and an Epiphone les paul..... the Epiphone out does the gibson by a large margin..... attention to detail is what I look for and the Epiphone is near perfect only issue is with the tuners.... not the best... but the rest of the guitar is perfect.... the gibson has finish issues and the neck has sharp frets... truss rod wasn't adjusted properly....and the pots are way to tight....if you just wanting a player guitar...buy and Epiphone
That's a shame since it's really a beautiful color scheme. Did you get another one?
I agree when you pay $2K for the guitar the owner has the right to complain about anything that makes them
not 100% happy with the guitar! I am in the process of of buying another Les paul. My R7 is awesome but i want a burst
and have been considering a 50's standard but to be honest i am seeing too many others pointing out issues
with gibson guitars. The 50's standards are almost $3K and from what i am hearing it will be next to impossible to
get a flawless one? My alternatives are real limited. I have considered seeing if a can get one hand picked
if i pay extra.
i did not know anyone still bought gibsons? i ordered a new double neck and it was like the binding on both necks was sunken lower than the finish, plus all sorts of finish issues. waited a year for it and tried to get over the defects.....sold it! $300 what ever branded guitars are better fit and finish. once you've had a few gibsons it's like you get over the brand name and you actually demand your money's worth.
That's not nitpicking that's shitty QC . I returned a high end bass that was 3k , no shame . Gotta do better than that
I’m like you I would be pissed. I was considering buying a 64 SG standard but after seeing this I may pass. I have owned snd play still regularly a 77 Les Paul custom I bought new. It’s always been my main guitar. But the weight as I get older wears me down lately. But I don’t even know if I can adjust to another tone after all these years. I am a Gibson guy but QC doesn’t seem to be a priory with the brand. I was a lifelong Ford guy but won’t buy another Ford with there QC issues. So thanks guy or pointing out these issues.
My new LP classic is flawless, but I always play guitars (especially Gibsons) before buying.
This is really the only answer. The only real way to get a flawless one is to pick it out at the store.
Unfortunately sometimes the store does not have what you are after.
@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 MIJ Ibanez are the only guitars I’m brave enough to order site unseen these days lol
@@Olsen-vp5vg Did you see that video of the guy that bought a brand new PIA and it had a neck alignment issue? Seems even J craft can make mistakes.
@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 ouch. That really sucks.
@@Olsen-vp5vg Yeah i was shocked to see that. i love MIJ Ibanez guitars.
the neck was glued on at the wrong angle on the 61 standard sg i bought weeks ago..i returned it..bought a les paul...they are trying to sell it still at gc..the paul is fantastic..the sg was unable to be set up..is gc going down again too.
No way i would give 2k€ for that result. Get an epiphone, switch pickups and you got a great guitar
even the pickups on my 2020 Epiphone SG Standard sound fine
I would send it back too. I would expect that wear on a second hand unit.