The reason the Flip is so relatively popular (in terms of foldables) is because it's the only foldable that's sub $1000 with discounts making it somewhat "affordable"
That's one reason sure. I'm just surprised it took this long for an LMG host to express an opinion I find asinine. The flip (and flip style competitors) are popular for more than just price. They take a candy bar style phone and reduce it's footprint by 50%, the screen is protected when closed, and you can even have it on a lanyard when not in use. The only thing the flip lacks for me is cameras quality.
@@Zikeji but who gives a shit how small those things fold down to? It's not like it's even remotely uncomfortable to have a regular phone in your pocket.
@@megapyro88 Well I do when I'm not using it. I'd much rather have a small (if thicker) square in my pocket than a long rectangle, and the form factor is familiar enough that when I do wanna use it I'm not gonna feel alienated by either a cover that's very weirdly slim or an overtly square inner display
Funny enough, this actually solves its own problem regarding the lack of a front-facing camera. You get a better camera with what would normally be the back-facing one.
@@HyperSnypr 1:23 what I mean is when the phone is wide open the company could've made the floppy part snap into a kickstand so you can watch a video or movie when the phone is fully open
@@hey_how_are_ya Unless you're watching 4:3 video, you probably wont really get much more real estate watching the video with the screen open. Having the kick stand for reading on a larger format could be a benefit, just that I don't see it as a huge one for video. I'm not sure that you can't use the cover this way anyway, just that it isn't an advertised feature, whereas using it half open is.
and scratches. rip that screen. samsung fold screens scratch easily too. folding inwards is the only was for folding until these screens are durable asf
@@npcimknot958 People say that yet mine hasn't scratched a bit since I've gotten it and I took off my screen protector. speaking of which, the screen protector is the only thing I've noticed being more prone to scratching because of the plastic like material its made of.
I like that form factor a lot more than the flip or the fold. The floppy part of the case when open looks like it could be used as a kickstand to angle the screen at you on a table.
@@ademiravdic agreed, why have someone disinterested in flip/folds review another brands version? It makes no sense... Fold 4 is a better comparison to this reviewed phone over the flip anyway.
I own this phone in the UAE. Best foldable out there in my opinion. No google isn't an issue. Coming from iphone I got every app working no problem I wanted, between app store and apks. No issues with outward screen always exposed. No scratches yet it's been 3 months. So light and thin. When folded it's basically the same form factor as my friends galaxyS 22 ultra.
The implication of which way the phone folds is actually pretty significant. The "book" fold turns a big phone into a bigger one. The "flip" fold turns a big phone into a tiny one. For some people phones are already big enough, so having a compact mode is really nice. For others they'd rather carry a tablet if it was practical to use as a phone. Both ways are useful.
@@rodbernard91 And he is entitled to his opinion and to state it as much as the rest of us are. These reviews are opinion pieces, as is ant review of this style.
@@cheeeeezewizzz Have you seen regular phones these days? They aren't phones anymore, they are 6-7 inch tablets lol. And if the continued releases of mini iphones is anything to go by, there absolutely is still a market for more compact mobile devices. You don't have to like the flip - plenty of people DO want an even bigger screen in their pocket. But the flip isn't dumb, you just aren't the person it is made for. (Also worth noting that there are worse non-folding phones which cost more than the flip)
@@alkoyyy Folding screens are durable enough for daily use as long as you're not pushing on them like you actually WANT to break them. Samsung's display has gotten so good that you can press as hard as you'd ever need without worry, not to mention the plastic actually makes it better than glass when it comes to withstanding drops. In short, you're wrong.
@@WSlopeAggie if my fingernail can leave a mark it's not durable enough. That being said, the ridiculous prices and general uselessness for most people (including me) are even more important reasons not to buy one.
@@alkoyyy Having actually used a foldable (and buying one soon), you're still off the mark. Your fingernail won't leave a mark unless you're pressing pretty hard. Normal brushes are just fine. And the usefulness of one really just comes down to what you want/need.
When foldable display has a tougher scratch protection then this form factor would make sense. Despite that glad to see something different from the mainstream foldable 👍🏾
Wow, I love the design. Using the same screen for both sizes and folding it outside makes a lot of sense. And they avoid having to make the display bend so sharply, which has been a problem for some manufacturers.
So here's an idea. If the camera can be flipped to the unused screen then you should be able to take a selfie pic with the good camera since you can use the volume rockers to take the picture.
The form factor is amazing, I remember seeing the first version and thinking it was the best foldable. Then I found out that foldable screens need to stay protected at all times. Yes they are much stronger then people think, I've been using a fold 3 for half a year, and my inside screen is completely undamaged. However there is no way the Mate would survive that time, you need like a sleeve or whatever to keep it protected in, because that screen on the outside will not like your pants. So yeah, beautiful design, but the design means it's constantly at risk of being damaged.
See, i LOVE the concept and design. Much better than others. It's just this... if the chip was to date, if the screen was stronger, and the battery life was just a tiny bit longer, this could be the ultimate foldable.
I have the predecessor now in usage for over 2 years. Still holds up pretty fine. Just the screen protector peeled off after the stupid idea to take it to a beach holiday. Anyway running fine without the protector for 8 month + now
@@lltechview I have a fold myself. The display that folds is way less durable then the solid glass one. I would not want the folding screen exposed to the outside. I'm glad it is safe on the inside.
@@Druezy Thats a myth. A fall can kill the glass phone pretty easily. The Mate Xs needs to have a poked screen so it needs to fall on spikes or something for it to break the screen
I don't like the folding outward thing. The screens are too weak for that currently. I mean, I've used every fold since the 2nd and I'm a big believer in folding phones, but I don't trust these designs yet. Maybe if we get something that is completely scratch resistant then I could see it, but I don't think thats coming anytime soon.
I'm still not a fan of flip phones, but I think this is a far more elegant solution than most other fold phones I've seen so far. There was no noticeable crease in the screen.
What I like most about the folding design of this phone is, the outer screen allows a perfectly flat fold. There’s a consistency to the size of the phone when you hold it, making this the first folding phone I’d actually consider using.
As a Mate Xs 2 owner in Vancouver, I have to point out some points... 1. This phone is google-able, people find out a sideload google method using recover/backup, and nearly everything works fine except google pay. 2. A Chinese model coming with HarmonyOS 3 that is based on AOSP12 (not 11 in the video). Harmony OS (Chinese version at least) is basically AOSP + OpenHarmony(OHOS), and can run some OHOS APPs that is superfast and able to transfer between OHOS devices without even installing. It's not Apple Clips... they are real apps based on Harmony OS's "Service Ability" structure. 3. Harmony OS 3 can nearly run every single app even with or without sideloading google(make sure you have HMS installed, it will replace one of the GMS APIs at the system level if you do not sideload google) 4. There is a collector edition(mine) with a 4880mah Si-based battery that charges even faster, unfortunately not help with battery life xD. 5. Chinese model of Mate Xs 2, just like Mate 50 series and iPhone 14, have the ability to send a satellite message. But since it's based on the Chinese BeiDou system, not be available in NA in reasonable future. 6. You may think this camera is good, but compared with older Mate Xs and Mate X, it's bad because of they try to make the phone lighter.... I doubt if it will help though... 7. It's 4g Qcom 888, unfortunately. But the good thing is, this phone is not as hot as other 888 devices. Thanks, Huawei, it's way better in performance tune than Samsung or Xiaomi, etc. 8. It supports a pen, like Z Fold 4, but unfortunately not as good as it. It charges like an old gen Apple Pencil, it's stupid If you want to try a fully functional Mate Xs 2, I can borrow you one :) I live in Van too
Love the video, informative and entertaining! LG v60 removable second screen is my favourite "foldable". Tough, easy to use, versatile, great dual app use. Slip off the second screen and I have a 6.8" slim slab. And 3.5mm headphone socket, quad dac, even removable sd card. Shame LG left the mobile market. It'll be interesting to see if Apple does a foldable. I've found ipad dual app use more integrated than on my android phones and tablets.
The fold 4 multitasks better than any other phone on the market. Also there's a reason LG left the mobile market. They sucked. They weren't innovative in the right areas of technology. Yeah having a dac on a phone is cool but when literally the entire US market left the 3.5mm jack out of the phones it isn't obviously needed.
@@a-aron6724 Most phones these days are more than good enough for most people when it comes to multitasking. Samsung does a good job, so do others. And there other key differentiating features these days. Sounds like you're unaware of what innovation LG brought to the world of android. Innovation wasn't their issue. Marketing was and a couple of issues that Samsung in particular fanned the flames of. Obviously, there is a difference between innovation and sales figures. Some of LG's innovations included the first capacitive touch screen phone, first phone to record slo-mo, first to record HD video, first android dual core processor, first android modular phone, first android to support qi charging, first flipable phone with the Wing, first bendable phone, first for MQA support..., consistently the best audio quality and features for a phone, putting Samsung and others to shame (though Samsung did pioneer the "how to copy an iPhone manual", fined twice for paying people to post positive reviews for Samsung products and negetive reviews for competitors, first mobile company CEO to be imprisoned for financial fraud...! Though Samsung have improved sticking with the stylus in some phones, leader in flip phones though chased increasingly by Chinese brands. Samsung have also pushed to provide 4 years of OS support heading towards Apple's 6 years of updates (the 2016 iPhone SE having stopped getting OS updates this year, though to be fair android performance degrades more over time than with iOS).
What review? Linus and lmg has made it very clear that "short circuit" is an unboxing and hands-on impression channel, there are no reviews here. They only have 45 minutes to prep prior to the camera rolling. Reviews are reserved for LTT.
I think his comment on the Flip inside the pocket is pretty realistic and I have actually experienced it with a friend's Flip. It doesn't look good in the pocket, it doesn't feel good, it's also an extra task every time you pull it out of the pocket (with a little extra effort as it sits deeper inside the pocket) and flip it open 😓
I'm rocking Flip 4 for the past month and I am quite happy with smaller folded form factor. It really comes down to the individual and pants they are wearing I suppose. Like some of my pockets are getting too small for Slab phones and this solves it perfectly.
@@MartinzW Yeah it's quite possible. People who wear pants that are a little bit snug, might feel it bulges out quite a lot compared to a regular smartphone
I agree more with all the comments about it fitting better in small purses since female clothes makers make women's pockets useless. Yah it may not be super useful for a guy but half the population on this planet are women and a normal sized phone that folds up to about the size of a Gameboy Advance is super cool since it's just much easier to fit into smaller spaces like tiny pockets and smaller purses.
If you could flip it open with a wrist flick like old flip phones did, it'd be way more satisfying to use. As it is, I don't see the point. Z Fold makes a lot of sense, though. Having a small tablet that's always with you has been great for the the last year that I've owned one. All the Flip gets you is a regular phone with a crease in the middle. Honestly, if I couldn't afford the Z Fold, I just wouldn't bother with a foldable phone at this stage.
The design of this somewhat reminds me of the Xiaomi Mi Mix Alpha, with the wrap-around screen that had the camera bar, though this has the cameras on the edge of the back and the screen seems to end on the front face rather than wrapping to the side bar. The asymmetric design is also different, having the folding portion being smaller than the non-folding portion. The rear folded panel being used while taking pictures is probably meant to be a higher resolution selfie camera feature. I'd be interested in seeing media being able to snap to the two separate panels, like a 'tented' mode that 2-in-1s gave us. The case situation is odd, but the only fix for it would be to have two pieces that extend, then have the folded hinge bumper somehow latch onto the phone's edge when unfolded; unclip, unfold, extend, and latch. Personally, I still think flexible OLED foldables are a fad. The flip phone is cool, and I can understand why people like it, especially with how tall phones are getting and how pockets aren't getting any deeper. The phone-tablet foldables also have their own understandable place, but they're just a phone folded and unfolded they're too small for a fully usable tablet design. But both suffer the issue of bendy, creasing displays that're easily damaged, and there'll never be a way around this. Devices like the Surface Duo, Surface Neo if it ever releases, the Lenovo Yoga Book if it had a second display rather than massive touch pad, and similar devices make more sense, because you have an entirely protected hinge assembly, displays covered by actual glass, etc.; though I feel like these are also fad devices, due to them being individual displays rather than one continuous display. Either way, it's a weird market segment that just won't get off the ground the same way any other device has, it'll be a niche market now that devices are out there but it should naturally stay as a niche market; the 'growth' of this market segment seem unnatural, plus wasn't there a news story within the past couple months about how Google 'forced' yearly foldables from Samsung to keep continually developing Android support of the devices? Until phones provide more usability in the unfolded state, such as more folding panels so that a normal sized phone isn't just a mini-tablet, I don't think phone-like foldables are for me; I don't even think the Surface Duo is for me, I just don't see the use of it outside of book-like reading and tenting for media, similarly when LG had that second display in a case for one of their flagship devices before LG Mobile went under. But on the laptop side of things, I'll take a Surface Neo, or similar, and have that be the start and potential end of foldables for my personal use, because a single flexible OLED laptop-size foldable will inherently succumb to the same downfalls of any single-display foldable, non-durable bendy screens that aren't a proper panel and not behind glass, plus the aspect ratios will always be a bit weird to adjust to; unless someone wants to develop a ~16:9 that unfolds into a ~32:9, then I might consider more use out of them as a laptop-like device, especially if there's a way to have a curve in the unfolded state, similarly give me a Surface Neo, or similar, that can be rearranged to have side-by-side horizontal displays rather than stacked horizontal or sbs vertical. At the end of the day, it's all just a fad, one that probably won't hold long-term.
I wish LG were still around. They were the only manufacturer providing the US market with different form factors. As crazy and flawed that the LG Wing was, I was excited for their rollable phone and they woulda made something like this
@@lucamartino100 A) I can't pay that kind of money for a phone B) I would never buy it, because of it lacks a real OS, with useful appstore ...but if it was a way cheaper android phone I'd take the risk and choose it over Samsung
The inner folding phones all have 3 screens, while the outer folding one needs only 2. Hence saving weight and batteries. If the glass is durable it is the best implementation of the folding phone.
As a Fold 3&4 user, it's cool seeing Huawei (I've been a fan & use their laptop) making strides. Fold 4 has been great mainly due to Android 12L, really making use of the unfolded real estate, where the Fold 3 somewhat lacked. I still prefer the inward Fold with a cover screen (3 screens) however, this device is pretty cool nonetheless!
i'm sorry, strides? i'd like to mention that this design was there already with their first one, mate x, and that was at the time the first fold came out. Technology wise, huawei was just crazy ahead of others..
I am 1000% supporting Riley on this one. The Flip has a horrible shape, literally 70% of a Fold, just without the extra screen and weight, but still stacks in the pocket like 2 phones.
There's actually a reason for the way they made the folding screen be on the outside instead of inside....... The radius of the screen is bigger, so less chance of it peeling or showing damage in the crease compared to other phones who's screen is on the inside (if you consider that the screen is of the same quality as the other phones)
you missed the chance to take a selfie with the main cameras. Seems like a big feature of having the screen fold and be on the same side as the main camera
Love this form factor. If Samsung came out with this, I would buy it so fast. I love my Note 20 Ultra, but this is something else. I love how it uses one screen for everything, and this gives it more capabilities. Not to mention, the grip shaped camera bar. I LOVE that! I need something to grip that's not a case, and it's perfect.
This form factor is way more efficient, only 1 screen required which makes it lighter, thinner and use less battery. Would pick this over the fold 100%
I've always though the camera being in a separate island plus the ability to give it an extra battery in the thick part is ideak for foldables. One problem I see in this form factor though is that the soft "plastic-glass" is on the outside, being very vulnerable to drops and scratches when put into pockets since it is softer than normal gorrila glass.
This actually seem like a much better design for a foldable. Could barely even notice the seam especially when the screens on. The seam is actually supported with a larger radius bend when folded back so it doesnt stretch, and u dont have the valley that develops in the middle of the fold. Plus u dont have to worry about dust, lint, etc getting in the crevice and scratching the screen. If they could get more performance into it, it would be a great option
You might not worry about dust getting onto the inside screens, but you might worry about the screens and fold being less protected on the outside. I mean screens are more likely to get scratched by facing outwards rather than inwards
@@HyperSnypr its not any less protected than a normal phone, and u could easily put a screen protector on that covers the whole screen. Plus it comes with case that covers all of it when not in use. Which isnt even an option for the Fold. Cant make a case that covers the inside
@@verakoo6187 without a case it is much less protected than a regular phone as the screen is on all the least protected sides. There are full cover cases for the z fold style phones which prevent things getting inside. I like this phone, but suggesting it is somehow more protected by having the screens on the outside is far fetched
@@verakoo6187 That's just not true. You can kill these plastic flexible amoled screens just by bumping the corner of a table with it. Boom. dead pixels. This is a HORRIBLE form factor. It's way more durable and sensible to put the screen inside the device.
I just love that when folded, it's the same size as any regular phone but the drawbacks are: - 2 generations older chipset, but still really damn fast - the software... is also old... - the price
The thick edge to hold on to when unfolded and used as a tablet seems like a good idea. I prefer this concept to Samsung's, except it will probably be a smudge nightmare. Also, love Riley just dumping cynically on things.
Would've not expected you to test this device! Have you taken a look at the Mate X2 yet? It is a little bit older than the Xs2, but follows the inner-fold design Samsung is doing. The Mate X3 is expected to launch at the beginning of next year.
While I do agree that it is definitely going to be the most useful and most awesome form factor, I kind of doubt Samsung is actually heading that way, but the lack of new features on the Fold 4 may indicate them working on something amazing. We'll see. Google has also leaked some new Info about their Pixel Fold, so more competition.
@@Alex-xl4xe Same here. The biggest gripe I have with my Fold 3 (besides the cost) is its 4:3 aspect ratio. A foldable 16:9 panel would be so much better.
Just a suggestion, but when you display the weight it'd be nice if you put the weight of some other new phones to compare it to, like the iPhone or the Google S7 lineups.
As someone who has had Chinese androids before, there are plenty of ways to have all the google services added to one of these devices. All it takes is some looking around online for the tutorial.
Use Gspace and it's one of the best foldable on the market. I mean I still prefer something like X fold with killer set of Cameras and super duper high-quality construction, but Mate X series are very unique and some people just loves it. I hope to see X fold or X fold+ on LMG. or I should say Vivo phone in general, they are insane, and normal flagships have global varient which is nice (I use Origin OS because cheap, but GMS works by just installing Play Store APK, (but I don't use GMS) and it is better than SAMSUNG in hardware wise, but if Vivo prefects software aspect , it's better for cheaper.
For me this is the best foldable design : Make it the size of a 2016 iPhone SE when folded (but with this kind of body to screen ratio) so we don't need giant phones anymore, because they will be giant enough when unfolded.
I would love to have this phone! The only big downsides are Huawei not being able to get 5G and Google Play Services because of licensing. The way Riley shows of the multitasking is not really how it works. I've had Huawei phones for over 6 years now and the dual screen function and taskbar (swipe and hold) are great! Also the implementation of the camera system is brilliant, you get the best camera's for selfies or videocalls. -edit: Also, the kickstand case should be fixed. That's a miss.
As a tech enthusiast I am loathed to acknowledge the popularity of the often functionally challenged "Foldable Phones" but I will admit this one has done some interesting things! Some choices were... unique while others were actually surprisingly well considered. Still wouldn't touch one of these with a ten foot pole but I gotta say; if this company maintains their current trajectory for development I might actually find some value in a future model of theirs. Its far from certain but considering how repulsed I was at the start & how pleasantly surprised I was at the end...it is a non-zero chance I might find them compelling somewhere down the line.
"Some phones fold the other way, but this phone fold the other way" -Riley, 2022
I also immediately caught that lmao
1:50
Tickled the centre of my brain!
The reason the Flip is so relatively popular (in terms of foldables) is because it's the only foldable that's sub $1000 with discounts making it somewhat "affordable"
It's also the most compact! Making it perfect to squeeze into anything
😉
That's one reason sure. I'm just surprised it took this long for an LMG host to express an opinion I find asinine. The flip (and flip style competitors) are popular for more than just price.
They take a candy bar style phone and reduce it's footprint by 50%, the screen is protected when closed, and you can even have it on a lanyard when not in use. The only thing the flip lacks for me is cameras quality.
It also looks cool
@@Zikeji but who gives a shit how small those things fold down to? It's not like it's even remotely uncomfortable to have a regular phone in your pocket.
@@megapyro88 Well I do when I'm not using it. I'd much rather have a small (if thicker) square in my pocket than a long rectangle, and the form factor is familiar enough that when I do wanna use it I'm not gonna feel alienated by either a cover that's very weirdly slim or an overtly square inner display
Funny enough, this actually solves its own problem regarding the lack of a front-facing camera. You get a better camera with what would normally be the back-facing one.
So does the z fold series
And you get scratches on your screen instead of the case of your phone, awesome!
@@samgoff5289 has outward facing screens... like.. ummm 99% of all phones in existence?
you again????????????
@@TroublesomeOwl yeah but it's among 1% of the phones that have an essentially plastic screen
The case could've had the ability to turn into a kickstand to hold the phone while watching videos
The case does have that ability. It locks the screen half way open/closed.
@@HyperSnypr 1:23 what I mean is when the phone is wide open the company could've made the floppy part snap into a kickstand so you can watch a video or movie when the phone is fully open
I'm surprised he didn't catch that simple feature. IMO, this is a Poor review. Just guessing his way through the whole phone. Amateur style.
@@hey_how_are_ya Unless you're watching 4:3 video, you probably wont really get much more real estate watching the video with the screen open. Having the kick stand for reading on a larger format could be a benefit, just that I don't see it as a huge one for video. I'm not sure that you can't use the cover this way anyway, just that it isn't an advertised feature, whereas using it half open is.
@@PurgatoryPriest That’s literally the whole point of this channel.
LTT is for informed scripted reviews. SC is for this.
For those that cannot stand leaving finger smudges on their screen, this must be their worst nightmare.
Don't place your keys on your phone, it'll definitely leave a mark. Bad design overall for screen protection
ah yess.. something flapping on the back of my phone.. lol
and scratches. rip that screen.
samsung fold screens scratch easily too. folding inwards is the only was for folding until these screens are durable asf
@@npcimknot958 People say that yet mine hasn't scratched a bit since I've gotten it and I took off my screen protector. speaking of which, the screen protector is the only thing I've noticed being more prone to scratching because of the plastic like material its made of.
@TwinTurbo Ray Ever heard of an example? The comment is about the exposed fragile plastic screen that is easy to damage with any deep scratch.
It really says something that the coolest thing about a folding display phone is the *physical* release button.
I KNOW RIGHT?!?!
PHYSICAL BUTTONS SUPREMACY!!! \(=o- o= )/
Physical buttons are fucking awesome
Fidget toy and smartphone and tablet all in one.
humans live in cycle, they go mechanical, then digital, then back to mechanical again, and repeat
I like that form factor a lot more than the flip or the fold. The floppy part of the case when open looks like it could be used as a kickstand to angle the screen at you on a table.
I love how they chose him to do a review of another foldable after the Z Flip review where he says how dumb he thinks they are 😂
fr, Linus should have done it since he already daily drives Z fold
@@ademiravdic agreed, why have someone disinterested in flip/folds review another brands version? It makes no sense... Fold 4 is a better comparison to this reviewed phone over the flip anyway.
He shouldn't do phone review
Because linus just fanboys over it.
because shortcircuit is not a review?
The engineers stood there trying to figure out how they could make a phone which would collect the most finger prints possible on a display.
I own this phone in the UAE. Best foldable out there in my opinion. No google isn't an issue. Coming from iphone I got every app working no problem I wanted, between app store and apks. No issues with outward screen always exposed. No scratches yet it's been 3 months. So light and thin. When folded it's basically the same form factor as my friends galaxyS 22 ultra.
The implication of which way the phone folds is actually pretty significant. The "book" fold turns a big phone into a bigger one. The "flip" fold turns a big phone into a tiny one. For some people phones are already big enough, so having a compact mode is really nice. For others they'd rather carry a tablet if it was practical to use as a phone. Both ways are useful.
Don't bother explaining. He just hates the Flip design and won't listen to any reasoning.
@@rodbernard91 And he is entitled to his opinion and to state it as much as the rest of us are. These reviews are opinion pieces, as is ant review of this style.
I'm with him, fuck thr flip. It's a stupid gimmick. A regular phone is not that big.
@@cheeeeezewizzz Have you seen regular phones these days? They aren't phones anymore, they are 6-7 inch tablets lol. And if the continued releases of mini iphones is anything to go by, there absolutely is still a market for more compact mobile devices.
You don't have to like the flip - plenty of people DO want an even bigger screen in their pocket. But the flip isn't dumb, you just aren't the person it is made for.
(Also worth noting that there are worse non-folding phones which cost more than the flip)
this is probably the best design for folding phones when screens get more durable, you dont have to fit 2 screens inside the chassis
Yeah for sure... I think Samsung is aware of it but until folding screens get more durable, Samsungs approach is the way to go.
@@timlolxP actually, until folding screens get more durable, non-foldables are the way to go
@@alkoyyy Folding screens are durable enough for daily use as long as you're not pushing on them like you actually WANT to break them. Samsung's display has gotten so good that you can press as hard as you'd ever need without worry, not to mention the plastic actually makes it better than glass when it comes to withstanding drops. In short, you're wrong.
@@WSlopeAggie if my fingernail can leave a mark it's not durable enough.
That being said, the ridiculous prices and general uselessness for most people (including me) are even more important reasons not to buy one.
@@alkoyyy Having actually used a foldable (and buying one soon), you're still off the mark. Your fingernail won't leave a mark unless you're pressing pretty hard. Normal brushes are just fine. And the usefulness of one really just comes down to what you want/need.
When foldable display has a tougher scratch protection then this form factor would make sense. Despite that glad to see something different from the mainstream foldable 👍🏾
Wow, I love the design. Using the same screen for both sizes and folding it outside makes a lot of sense. And they avoid having to make the display bend so sharply, which has been a problem for some manufacturers.
I love Linus standing ominously in the background
So here's an idea. If the camera can be flipped to the unused screen then you should be able to take a selfie pic with the good camera since you can use the volume rockers to take the picture.
The form factor is amazing, I remember seeing the first version and thinking it was the best foldable.
Then I found out that foldable screens need to stay protected at all times. Yes they are much stronger then people think, I've been using a fold 3 for half a year, and my inside screen is completely undamaged. However there is no way the Mate would survive that time, you need like a sleeve or whatever to keep it protected in, because that screen on the outside will not like your pants.
So yeah, beautiful design, but the design means it's constantly at risk of being damaged.
I've had my Mate xs for over two years the screen is still perfect, I just use a leather case when out the same as I did with previous phones
@pachy444 yeah I don't use cases like that. My Fold just has a simple bumper case and that's it.
See, i LOVE the concept and design. Much better than others. It's just this... if the chip was to date, if the screen was stronger, and the battery life was just a tiny bit longer, this could be the ultimate foldable.
Technology is not there yet with foldable phones in 5 years maybe
If the US would not sanction Huawei they would've progressed much further in comparison to the predecessor
@@raulojeda8567 agree
@@lltechview tbh if this was really good, either way someone would of prolly found a way to sell em
love Riley, but why didn't Linus do this one? since he daily drives a foldable phone.
For me, Riley reviewing phones has gotten irritating since he doesnt do any research beforehands
If they add a stylus to this and good software it's gonna sell like crazy.
Agreed, this is the form factor that makes sense.
This fold is great! Thanks for the review.
While it’s definitely not perfect, gotta admit that that case is kinda cool. Headed in the right direction!
Damnit Riley try the Z Fold 4! It has the dock You are mentioning for multitasking! Its a really dope phone! 😁
That looks like a phone I'd destroy in my pocket within 3 months.
I have the predecessor now in usage for over 2 years. Still holds up pretty fine. Just the screen protector peeled off after the stupid idea to take it to a beach holiday. Anyway running fine without the protector for 8 month + now
@@lltechview That is probably because the weaker flexing screen stays on the "inside." I can't see this screen lasting as long.
@@Druezy What weaker flexing screen? You cannot believe it lasting long and I give you my experience that its far more durable than most people think
@@lltechview I have a fold myself. The display that folds is way less durable then the solid glass one. I would not want the folding screen exposed to the outside. I'm glad it is safe on the inside.
@@Druezy Thats a myth. A fall can kill the glass phone pretty easily. The Mate Xs needs to have a poked screen so it needs to fall on spikes or something for it to break the screen
I don't like the folding outward thing. The screens are too weak for that currently. I mean, I've used every fold since the 2nd and I'm a big believer in folding phones, but I don't trust these designs yet. Maybe if we get something that is completely scratch resistant then I could see it, but I don't think thats coming anytime soon.
Take off the screen protector and it wont scratch (If you have a fold 3 or 4)
2 years + predecessor usage and still fine
But an outer fold means not having to bend nearly as sharply
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Bro the case is for when you hit the club at the weekend where you wouldn't unfold it anyway. I dig it!
I don't watch every LMG video, but I never miss a Riley Video.
I'm still not a fan of flip phones, but I think this is a far more elegant solution than most other fold phones I've seen so far. There was no noticeable crease in the screen.
That's actually pretty cool,l I'd probably prefer this over the other folding phones.
What I like most about the folding design of this phone is, the outer screen allows a perfectly flat fold. There’s a consistency to the size of the phone when you hold it, making this the first folding phone I’d actually consider using.
As a Mate Xs 2 owner in Vancouver, I have to point out some points...
1. This phone is google-able, people find out a sideload google method using recover/backup, and nearly everything works fine except google pay.
2. A Chinese model coming with HarmonyOS 3 that is based on AOSP12 (not 11 in the video). Harmony OS (Chinese version at least) is basically AOSP + OpenHarmony(OHOS), and can run some OHOS APPs that is superfast and able to transfer between OHOS devices without even installing. It's not Apple Clips... they are real apps based on Harmony OS's "Service Ability" structure.
3. Harmony OS 3 can nearly run every single app even with or without sideloading google(make sure you have HMS installed, it will replace one of the GMS APIs at the system level if you do not sideload google)
4. There is a collector edition(mine) with a 4880mah Si-based battery that charges even faster, unfortunately not help with battery life xD.
5. Chinese model of Mate Xs 2, just like Mate 50 series and iPhone 14, have the ability to send a satellite message. But since it's based on the Chinese BeiDou system, not be available in NA in reasonable future.
6. You may think this camera is good, but compared with older Mate Xs and Mate X, it's bad because of they try to make the phone lighter.... I doubt if it will help though...
7. It's 4g Qcom 888, unfortunately. But the good thing is, this phone is not as hot as other 888 devices. Thanks, Huawei, it's way better in performance tune than Samsung or Xiaomi, etc.
8. It supports a pen, like Z Fold 4, but unfortunately not as good as it. It charges like an old gen Apple Pencil, it's stupid
If you want to try a fully functional Mate Xs 2, I can borrow you one :) I live in Van too
My phone is also different than a foldable. It has all of the parts a foldable has, except it doesn't fold.
Love the video, informative and entertaining!
LG v60 removable second screen is my favourite "foldable". Tough, easy to use, versatile, great dual app use. Slip off the second screen and I have a 6.8" slim slab. And 3.5mm headphone socket, quad dac, even removable sd card. Shame LG left the mobile market.
It'll be interesting to see if Apple does a foldable. I've found ipad dual app use more integrated than on my android phones and tablets.
The fold 4 multitasks better than any other phone on the market. Also there's a reason LG left the mobile market. They sucked. They weren't innovative in the right areas of technology. Yeah having a dac on a phone is cool but when literally the entire US market left the 3.5mm jack out of the phones it isn't obviously needed.
@@a-aron6724 Most phones these days are more than good enough for most people when it comes to multitasking. Samsung does a good job, so do others. And there other key differentiating features these days.
Sounds like you're unaware of what innovation LG brought to the world of android. Innovation wasn't their issue. Marketing was and a couple of issues that Samsung in particular fanned the flames of. Obviously, there is a difference between innovation and sales figures.
Some of LG's innovations included the first capacitive touch screen phone, first phone to record slo-mo, first to record HD video, first android dual core processor, first android modular phone, first android to support qi charging, first flipable phone with the Wing, first bendable phone, first for MQA support..., consistently the best audio quality and features for a phone, putting Samsung and others to shame (though Samsung did pioneer the "how to copy an iPhone manual", fined twice for paying people to post positive reviews for Samsung products and negetive reviews for competitors, first mobile company CEO to be imprisoned for financial fraud...! Though Samsung have improved sticking with the stylus in some phones, leader in flip phones though chased increasingly by Chinese brands. Samsung have also pushed to provide 4 years of OS support heading towards Apple's 6 years of updates (the 2016 iPhone SE having stopped getting OS updates this year, though to be fair android performance degrades more over time than with iOS).
What review? Linus and lmg has made it very clear that "short circuit" is an unboxing and hands-on impression channel, there are no reviews here. They only have 45 minutes to prep prior to the camera rolling. Reviews are reserved for LTT.
4:45 Riley, Don't you know
They're talking about a revolution?
It sounds like a *whisper*
3:43
Just a typical flower-unfolding pew
I think his comment on the Flip inside the pocket is pretty realistic and I have actually experienced it with a friend's Flip. It doesn't look good in the pocket, it doesn't feel good, it's also an extra task every time you pull it out of the pocket (with a little extra effort as it sits deeper inside the pocket) and flip it open 😓
I'm rocking Flip 4 for the past month and I am quite happy with smaller folded form factor. It really comes down to the individual and pants they are wearing I suppose. Like some of my pockets are getting too small for Slab phones and this solves it perfectly.
@@MartinzW Yeah it's quite possible. People who wear pants that are a little bit snug, might feel it bulges out quite a lot compared to a regular smartphone
I agree more with all the comments about it fitting better in small purses since female clothes makers make women's pockets useless.
Yah it may not be super useful for a guy but half the population on this planet are women and a normal sized phone that folds up to about the size of a Gameboy Advance is super cool since it's just much easier to fit into smaller spaces like tiny pockets and smaller purses.
If you could flip it open with a wrist flick like old flip phones did, it'd be way more satisfying to use. As it is, I don't see the point. Z Fold makes a lot of sense, though. Having a small tablet that's always with you has been great for the the last year that I've owned one. All the Flip gets you is a regular phone with a crease in the middle. Honestly, if I couldn't afford the Z Fold, I just wouldn't bother with a foldable phone at this stage.
The design of this somewhat reminds me of the Xiaomi Mi Mix Alpha, with the wrap-around screen that had the camera bar, though this has the cameras on the edge of the back and the screen seems to end on the front face rather than wrapping to the side bar. The asymmetric design is also different, having the folding portion being smaller than the non-folding portion. The rear folded panel being used while taking pictures is probably meant to be a higher resolution selfie camera feature. I'd be interested in seeing media being able to snap to the two separate panels, like a 'tented' mode that 2-in-1s gave us. The case situation is odd, but the only fix for it would be to have two pieces that extend, then have the folded hinge bumper somehow latch onto the phone's edge when unfolded; unclip, unfold, extend, and latch.
Personally, I still think flexible OLED foldables are a fad. The flip phone is cool, and I can understand why people like it, especially with how tall phones are getting and how pockets aren't getting any deeper. The phone-tablet foldables also have their own understandable place, but they're just a phone folded and unfolded they're too small for a fully usable tablet design. But both suffer the issue of bendy, creasing displays that're easily damaged, and there'll never be a way around this. Devices like the Surface Duo, Surface Neo if it ever releases, the Lenovo Yoga Book if it had a second display rather than massive touch pad, and similar devices make more sense, because you have an entirely protected hinge assembly, displays covered by actual glass, etc.; though I feel like these are also fad devices, due to them being individual displays rather than one continuous display. Either way, it's a weird market segment that just won't get off the ground the same way any other device has, it'll be a niche market now that devices are out there but it should naturally stay as a niche market; the 'growth' of this market segment seem unnatural, plus wasn't there a news story within the past couple months about how Google 'forced' yearly foldables from Samsung to keep continually developing Android support of the devices? Until phones provide more usability in the unfolded state, such as more folding panels so that a normal sized phone isn't just a mini-tablet, I don't think phone-like foldables are for me; I don't even think the Surface Duo is for me, I just don't see the use of it outside of book-like reading and tenting for media, similarly when LG had that second display in a case for one of their flagship devices before LG Mobile went under. But on the laptop side of things, I'll take a Surface Neo, or similar, and have that be the start and potential end of foldables for my personal use, because a single flexible OLED laptop-size foldable will inherently succumb to the same downfalls of any single-display foldable, non-durable bendy screens that aren't a proper panel and not behind glass, plus the aspect ratios will always be a bit weird to adjust to; unless someone wants to develop a ~16:9 that unfolds into a ~32:9, then I might consider more use out of them as a laptop-like device, especially if there's a way to have a curve in the unfolded state, similarly give me a Surface Neo, or similar, that can be rearranged to have side-by-side horizontal displays rather than stacked horizontal or sbs vertical. At the end of the day, it's all just a fad, one that probably won't hold long-term.
Looks like the crease on the display screen is unnoticeable
11:00 I thought Linus was just standing there lmao
It would be cool if the screen wasnt going to get all scratched up
I fully expect the screen of that phone to be thoroughly scratched after a while due to the way it folds with the screen outward.
With the case on that is not really the case. I am using the predecessor for more than 2 years
I wish LG were still around. They were the only manufacturer providing the US market with different form factors. As crazy and flawed that the LG Wing was, I was excited for their rollable phone and they woulda made something like this
Honestly when I saw the thumbnail, didn't know this was a phone, I thought it was a tablet/ebook reader.
Flips are popular since they look like a regular phone and act like it most of the time but can act a lot smaller
Still the superior folding design in my oppionion.
Buy it and tell me how long it last without scratching
@@lucamartino100 A) I can't pay that kind of money for a phone B) I would never buy it, because of it lacks a real OS, with useful appstore
...but if it was a way cheaper android phone I'd take the risk and choose it over Samsung
I can't stop staring at that papaw stache. Lol. Good review! Fresh content.
The inner folding phones all have 3 screens, while the outer folding one needs only 2. Hence saving weight and batteries. If the glass is durable it is the best implementation of the folding phone.
Could that case flap be used as a kickstand when it's unfolded? Would make more sense to me
As a Fold 3&4 user, it's cool seeing Huawei (I've been a fan & use their laptop) making strides. Fold 4 has been great mainly due to Android 12L, really making use of the unfolded real estate, where the Fold 3 somewhat lacked. I still prefer the inward Fold with a cover screen (3 screens) however, this device is pretty cool nonetheless!
i'm sorry, strides? i'd like to mention that this design was there already with their first one, mate x, and that was at the time the first fold came out. Technology wise, huawei was just crazy ahead of others..
I am 1000% supporting Riley on this one. The Flip has a horrible shape, literally 70% of a Fold, just without the extra screen and weight, but still stacks in the pocket like 2 phones.
1:35, dont use that case if you dont like it. Make your by Linus Tech tips, youre rich - you CAN!
this definitely is the most visually appealing foldable ive seen so far
There's actually a reason for the way they made the folding screen be on the outside instead of inside....... The radius of the screen is bigger, so less chance of it peeling or showing damage in the crease compared to other phones who's screen is on the inside (if you consider that the screen is of the same quality as the other phones)
you missed the chance to take a selfie with the main cameras. Seems like a big feature of having the screen fold and be on the same side as the main camera
2:05 props for the falcon call, it made me laugh
Love this form factor. If Samsung came out with this, I would buy it so fast. I love my Note 20 Ultra, but this is something else. I love how it uses one screen for everything, and this gives it more capabilities. Not to mention, the grip shaped camera bar. I LOVE that! I need something to grip that's not a case, and it's perfect.
You aren't THE folding phone guy. You're OUR folding phone guy.
this was NOT a hands on video about this phone, this was a hear me talk about this phone kinda video
there should be mini menu if you pull "back gesture" long enough. i like that feature from huawei.
This form factor is way more efficient, only 1 screen required which makes it lighter, thinner and use less battery. Would pick this over the fold 100%
as a fold 4 owner, nah
I've always though the camera being in a separate island plus the ability to give it an extra battery in the thick part is ideak for foldables. One problem I see in this form factor though is that the soft "plastic-glass" is on the outside, being very vulnerable to drops and scratches when put into pockets since it is softer than normal gorrila glass.
@@humble2246 🤓
I'd personally want the largest battery system possible.
@@AdvancedGamingYT dawg really replied with the nerd emoji with a name like "AdvancedGaming"
You may also want to review Huawei's competing brand, Xiaomi. Their MIX FOLD 2 is a Samsung Z Fold *but MUCH THINNER* !
Dude,
It's like if a food critic went to a pizza place and kept complaining about how he doesn't even like pizza!
This actually seem like a much better design for a foldable. Could barely even notice the seam especially when the screens on. The seam is actually supported with a larger radius bend when folded back so it doesnt stretch, and u dont have the valley that develops in the middle of the fold. Plus u dont have to worry about dust, lint, etc getting in the crevice and scratching the screen. If they could get more performance into it, it would be a great option
You might not worry about dust getting onto the inside screens, but you might worry about the screens and fold being less protected on the outside. I mean screens are more likely to get scratched by facing outwards rather than inwards
@@HyperSnypr its not any less protected than a normal phone, and u could easily put a screen protector on that covers the whole screen. Plus it comes with case that covers all of it when not in use. Which isnt even an option for the Fold. Cant make a case that covers the inside
@@verakoo6187 without a case it is much less protected than a regular phone as the screen is on all the least protected sides. There are full cover cases for the z fold style phones which prevent things getting inside. I like this phone, but suggesting it is somehow more protected by having the screens on the outside is far fetched
@@verakoo6187 That's just not true. You can kill these plastic flexible amoled screens just by bumping the corner of a table with it. Boom. dead pixels. This is a HORRIBLE form factor. It's way more durable and sensible to put the screen inside the device.
the plastic screen on the outside like that is going to be a nightmare for durability
Depends on how you treat it. I have it for 2+ years on the predecessor and it still runs fine
I just love that when folded, it's the same size as any regular phone
but the drawbacks are:
- 2 generations older chipset, but still really damn fast
- the software... is also old...
- the price
0:23 this is the "Wow, we made excess too".
This is definitely the form factor that I want to see become more prevalent in the market!
The thick edge to hold on to when unfolded and used as a tablet seems like a good idea. I prefer this concept to Samsung's, except it will probably be a smudge nightmare.
Also, love Riley just dumping cynically on things.
I wish they would just make android tablets in this Square-like form factor without the folding. I love that aspect ratio for reading and browsing.
Would've not expected you to test this device!
Have you taken a look at the Mate X2 yet? It is a little bit older than the Xs2, but follows the inner-fold design Samsung is doing.
The Mate X3 is expected to launch at the beginning of next year.
This type of form factor reduces so much of excess stuff that's not needed it's great!
I don't even care about the tech anymore, just watching to see this man speak his mind.
Duo 2 is still my favorite flip style phone
The only foldable I'm looking forward to is the Samsung double fold ones coming up, it's larger and retains a sensible aspect ratio.
While I do agree that it is definitely going to be the most useful and most awesome form factor, I kind of doubt Samsung is actually heading that way, but the lack of new features on the Fold 4 may indicate them working on something amazing. We'll see. Google has also leaked some new Info about their Pixel Fold, so more competition.
@@Alex-xl4xe The "Z" in the name implies (maybe) that a double fold was always the original idea.
@@Uncle_Fred Yea, that naming convention is weird. Might be, I'm definitely looking forward to that thing.
@@Alex-xl4xe Same here. The biggest gripe I have with my Fold 3 (besides the cost) is its 4:3 aspect ratio. A foldable 16:9 panel would be so much better.
This is actually a decent looking implementation of folding phone design, I would consider purchasing this
Just a suggestion, but when you display the weight it'd be nice if you put the weight of some other new phones to compare it to, like the iPhone or the Google S7 lineups.
I love it, it looks like actual thing I'd want to use, but the cost, ugh.
Riley again being one of the most likeable and naturally humorous persons on all of RUclips ☺️
3:51 ayo Riley what the fuq???💀
I'm sorry Riley, but the usb-c port is clearly in the crust, not a nubbin'.
As someone who has had Chinese androids before, there are plenty of ways to have all the google services added to one of these devices. All it takes is some looking around online for the tutorial.
Really clever design, I would never trust the firmware.
I only trust my homegrown dystopian Mega corporations.
Use Gspace and it's one of the best foldable on the market.
I mean I still prefer something like X fold with killer set of Cameras and super duper high-quality construction, but Mate X series are very unique and some people just loves it.
I hope to see X fold or X fold+ on LMG. or I should say Vivo phone in general, they are insane, and normal flagships have global varient which is nice (I use Origin OS because cheap, but GMS works by just installing Play Store APK, (but I don't use GMS)
and it is better than SAMSUNG in hardware wise, but if Vivo prefects software aspect , it's better for cheaper.
For me this is the best foldable design :
Make it the size of a 2016 iPhone SE when folded (but with this kind of body to screen ratio) so we don't need giant phones anymore, because they will be giant enough when unfolded.
I would love to have this phone! The only big downsides are Huawei not being able to get 5G and Google Play Services because of licensing. The way Riley shows of the multitasking is not really how it works. I've had Huawei phones for over 6 years now and the dual screen function and taskbar (swipe and hold) are great! Also the implementation of the camera system is brilliant, you get the best camera's for selfies or videocalls.
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Also, the kickstand case should be fixed. That's a miss.
3:52 lol at this redo, "let's turn HER on...errrr uhhh" 😂
The camera bar should have been facing the other way around so there wouldn't be a need for a hole punch in the screen.
I love how the AI recognized a cat in the camera test
Looks nice I would of preferred the z fold 4 folded the same way
The big problem on this form factor is the price! I could buy a gaming PC oder Laptop for this price 🥴
The camera bump looks to be a good way to Fraps the phone unfolded
Bruh….that “oh God” and the look of shame where he almost Linus’d the 2k euro phone….PRICELESS
i never knew another "Mrwhosetheboss" like reviewer exists! haha. i like you guys being so straightforward
The efficiency of such a phone is basically one less screen compared to others
As a tech enthusiast I am loathed to acknowledge the popularity of the often functionally challenged "Foldable Phones" but I will admit this one has done some interesting things! Some choices were... unique while others were actually surprisingly well considered.
Still wouldn't touch one of these with a ten foot pole but I gotta say; if this company maintains their current trajectory for development I might actually find some value in a future model of theirs. Its far from certain but considering how repulsed I was at the start & how pleasantly surprised I was at the end...it is a non-zero chance I might find them compelling somewhere down the line.
0:34 was expecting a sponsor segue
It's funny that they decided to have Riley hosting folding phones unboxing and review when he literally said he doesn't like folding phones. 😄
I got my hand on a review unit and compared to the galaxy fold this feels so much sturdier and more premium
2:03 What's up Doofenshmirtz