The tape drive(which was the only storage I had) on my first computer stored approx 100kb per side on regular C60(you could get longer, but the heaviness of the reels caused tape stretching leading to read errors) audio tapes, and had access times of a startling 60 bytes per second for comparison. Keep in mind, this was the mid to late '80s and it had 64kb RAM, so the longest load/save was around 5 minutes, which wasn't that much slower than the floppies of the day. Of course, you had to write down the counter time for each file or loading could take ages of searching through the tape in real time to find the file.
Sam Cooper Interesting, though I kinda prefer local storage so that way I could for example download my entire steam library and store it onto a tape and leave it, though at less than a cent per GB I might try that out.
+vgamesx1 I've never used it, so I can't vouch for it's quality. the thing is, you can't constantly access your data, you're only allowed to do that a couple times per month before you have to pay extra (because it takes so long to read). if you want a fun project for backing up your data locally, you can grab a 1 Terabyte drive for $50 on newegg, and probably 30 on a good sale.
+Matt Merrill Will still be god awfully slow. Tapes aren't meant for general use data storage anyway, they're meant for storing lots of backups, archives, or rarely used data for a long time.
+Matt S. (Jocopa3) tl;dr-edition: not how it works but ur also right. that is not strictly how it works. there are tape drives out there that do 400MB/s with a single tape so they are not realy slow, and if you did a raid 0 you would be saturating PCIE 3.0 x4 pretty quickly BUT that is only true for a single large file that is read out sequentially. If you lay out the tape in front of you as a straight line and the file that you want to access is a quarter mile away, well, you have to get there first. With HDDs there is a travel distance of max. 2.6 inches for the read head, so the access times are only a few miliseconds. you could even put windows on one of these and it would work just fine. but if you do not wish to wait, oh I don't know, several years for it to boot from that tape drive, meanwhilst exchanging hundreds of burnt-out motors and worn-down gears, you would have to put it on there as a VHD (say, 64GB) file that is completely loaded into RAM before windows itself boots because windows consists of many many small files that lie pretty chaotically across the volume. so for the use of tape drives, you are right. great for archival stuff or backups, not a day-to-day thing. I only wish tape drives were cheaper and wider-spread because they seriously are the best way of getting to show our grandchildren in 40 yrs photos from the early 2000s. like, that would be the prefect application for this. just every few years copying a few GB to it. and it not loosing much of it. I would bet the decay time of data on tape is much longer than on HDDs, even while they are not used.
+krass76 With some tinkering you can make the files windows needs to load be just one big sequential read.... But otherwise pretty bad idea to do that :P
yes because windows can not be installed for more than five years without getting slower or BSODing all over the place but consider this... you never actually HAVE TO write anything to that VHD ever meaning that if you remove the write-head from your tape drive you essentially have a bombshelter-usable emergency PC that can not get destroyed by any virus (just reboot and you are good) requiring you do not attatch any other volumes and that will operate on as long as there is electric power. and yes, I do realise how terrible of an idea that is, but you could (even if it was outlandish and stupid having a volatile windows) that's basically an unbreakable, a little bigger, faster to boot, once customized, Windows Live CD like there has been for linux for ages...
At my last job, I worked in a datacenter and was responsible for tape management. We were using LTO tapes that stored 1.5TB uncompressed, and roughly 3TB if the data was compressed.
I actually own an external LTO3 drive, was like $20 online and can store up to 800gb of data per tape. Very handy for backing up huge batches of media data, like movie and tv show collections or data that would be a real pain in the backside to get back (e.g. collections of files/documents acumulated from many different sites, or personal home movies/documents)
i own an lto2 drive and an lto4 drive, i recommend upgrading to lto4 since you can get them extremely cheap on ebay now (i saw one the other day going for $25 and free shipping)
another advantage of tape is that it has a much smaller chance of being corrupted than a normal drive. a program can't really destroy it. google lost all their mail data a few years back because of some bug (also the drive backups) but was able to restore everything from the tapes. (IIRC)
Huh? That's way different than tape. Tape has unmimited storage capacity. Core memory and CRT was limited. In fact ALL storage medium besides tapes are limited
+pat ob "All the new versions" and there is only one Thunderbolt which uses USB connector, and that is Thunderbolt 3 which uses USB type C connector (they have video on usb type C)
+pat ob There is only 3 thunderbolt versions... 1,2 and 3... The only difference between them is the speed. There are varying connectors though. USB Type C and the Mini DisplayPort connector being the most popular ones
There's a saying in German "Totgeglaubte leben länger", which roughly translates to "Those presumed dead live longer". It's odd how an ancient technology like tape drives are still going strong to this day. I guess all you need is that one niche market, reliability, the fact that it's cheap and even old tech like data tapes can survive in our digital age.
"You might still have some audiocassettes laying around." No, I lost all of my audiocassettes, thank you very much. But really though, tape's still relevant?
+Ganaram Inukshuk Yep, it's mostly used for offsite backup that must be kept around for a very long time without data loss, and doesn't need read. My dad uses it at work, tape snapshots of everything are taken once a month and the tapes moved to an offsite vault for something like 10 years in case they're needed, either for an audit of any sort or to repair everything if something happens. (they also have an offsite incremental backup that runs nightly as well for the more day to day things)..
+Ganaram Inukshuk I'm still running casette tapes in my 24 year old car Lol. (But that's because the CD player broke, radio is shit and there is no reasonable way to replace it)
I was always taught that one of the main factors that lead to tape being discontinued as a personal storage medium for digital data was its tendency to stretch out, with all the obvious consequences that has for strictly sectioned ones and zeroes. Has that been solved in the last thirty years, or would these modern tapes still stretch out if you repeatedly used them?
+Nathan Jones It is pretty much a over-glorified CD-R. Just instead of burning into a dye you are burning into a silicon crystal. Might have great capacity, but inherently single-write only, slow write speeds, and the read speed needs to be determined. It might become a backup medium.
Recently acquired about 200 TB of LTO-4 tapes from a foreclosure. Feels pretty good but as storage mediums go, tapes have a really high learning curve.
I think I am going to buy a Tape &Drive set and Archive all of the memes I have come across together with all of the information and plans needed to build a Computer from 0 Resources.
It's cool to see that old fashioned data storage methods are still relevant for certain purposes. Now if only we could utilize the REAL OG of data storage, good old DNA. Then we'd have some crazy shit going on. Store a backup of the whole internet in your basement kind of shit
You can usually find a drive that's 2 generations old for about $400-500 and then the tapes are like $25 a piece. For instance, in mid 2021 an LTO-6 drive can be had for about $500 if you spend some time looking, and the tapes are $30 each and hold 2.5TB. Worth it? Debatable. Break-even is about 40TB, after that it is worth it vs HDD.
In the worst case scenario you can buy a drive and some tapes, backup all your stuff and then sell the drive again :Do It's not perfect but it's worth it 😜
Tape is the fastest, densest, safest, and cheapest data storage despite all the technology that has left it behind. And because of how data is written to it, it is super easy and fast to make redundant copies. It's super easy to encrypt, and if you lost the tape, the chances are someone who finds it will know what it is let alone have the hardware to read the data IF they can break the encryption.
I have a rack of servers at home and a 21tb raid5 SAN. My wife does animation and she uses the servers to render her stuff. I use the servers for software development. I use a tape backup EVERY night! I use the tape backup for near-line storage. Each tape is auto cataloged, so I can just query a database for something and it will tell me which tapes the data is stored on for easy retrieval! I can keep unlimited historical copies of information out on tape. I use smaller (100GB) tapes for cost purposes putting all your eggs in one basket is risky. The problem with data hording is that it just keeps getting larger and larger. For permanent archive I store things on lots of M-discs which areike DVDs but a guranteed shelf life of 1,000 years where standard DVDs may only last a few years if not stored properly. (I know I ran tests). Some of you balk when you hear "DVDs"??? The fact is hard drive WILL go dead in short time or at the very least, the interface will no longer be available. Anyone remember MFM drives that were in the original pc??? DVDs are the most portable medium we have right now, and that's fine for a few decades now. When DVDs go away there will be a need for another portable medium. Then you get a robotic DVD player and transfer all your DVDs to this new medium. If you don't move your content along, it will be lost or incredibly expensive to get back. So tape is a very inexpensive method for keeping unlimited amount of data stored.
I have to say I really like Luke doing these videos. I always wondered why he presented so many videos on the main LTT channel, but never any on TechQuickie, and it's good to see him here as well, where his more calm and relaxed voice compared to Linus actually makes him a lot easier to follow when actually explaining something.
Tapes are also great for compliance. Every place I worked at used tapes for backup of every single financial transaction. One place I worked at (in IT) had a climate controlled vault in Houston, TX next to the data center that held tapes going back to the 80's. I think there were over 10,000 tapes there and it's growing.
Yes you can still find cassette tapes and vinyl records to this day including reel to reel tapes in the market the way they say it so obsolete its really ridiculous a lot of people use the media
Magnetic tape storage is no doubt a cool tech, but moving forward with inspiration from the past. A better implementation would be 3d microprint, with this method you gain layers on the tape that uses a focusing lens to bring that layer into focus, much like how one uses a telescope to view stars. Using a series of lens you could access all the layers at one time. Granted as of right now it's write tech only, but we are talking archival
Did they say one tape could hold over 170tb??!!! So you're telling me we're barely able to get 10tb on a single spinning drive, but there's something that can hold 17 times that much, and it's based on the same tech that the tape deck in my old car used?? That's insane!
You also had punch tape. Don't forget blocking factor! If a record was 50 characters you could write 10 records and then you write the tape locator. More records per block the more you could fit on a tape. But when you read it back you had to read the entire block and then extract your record.
I finally got my gen 3 LTO (2005) tape drive working. Due to its non-cutting-edge age, it was only $50 or so. The tapes for LTO gen 3 hold 400 GB/800 GB (compressed) each and I got 8 TB' worth for about $35. The data on LTO tapes is supposed to last about 30 years before needing a rewrite so I'm going to use it to back up all the random external HDDs I have lying around which are bound to die over time (permanently) even without use. The real pain in the ass with these is that you cough have to pay a premium for GUI-based programs that will actually let you read or write to connected tape drives. They don't function at all like typical removable media that would normally just get assigned a drive letter and be able to be explored with the (double)click of a mouse. Cool stuff :P
+ΛVINIDE the tape drives can read at 400MB's, its not the read speed thats the problem, its latency. on a HDD the furthest the head ever has to move to read a piece of data that is on the absolute opposite side of the disk is 2.6 inches but if you had to read a file that was physically at the start of a tape and then needed to read one on the other end of the tape then it has to travel MILES. not even exaggerating.
@@RWoody1995 how about perm latency issues when the drive craps out! No one uses tape for online storage! Its meant for unlimited near-line storage. Disk fail WAY more that tapes do! And the funny thing its usually never thr platters in the disks that fail, its the heads, drive electronics, motors etc. Tapes just have tape!! You totally cannot compare the two mediums.
I plan to buy a Tape drive one time in the future. I have little to no backup plans for my home, and have found myself having to try to recover removed data on my disks. So i think a Tape drive with monthly backup, and i also plan have a sort of raid system on short time storage.
+01chohan Maybe he just wants it for the durability, tapes are more resilient than hard drives(although SSDs are a lot more, but yeah) and are also way cheaper,
01chohan That might take a long time... bessides the tapes are still farly more durable than the avarege SSD and will continue to grow in size while retaining cheap price, so right now they are the best way to backup data
+Altarya DeFlammes If we are talking about physical durability, being dropped etc, hard drives are more durable than SSDs, but having said that, tape really isn't that durable, it's just the fact that you wont be touching the tape and the fact that, if you end up needing alot of backup space (I mean ALOT) It'll be cheaper than regular HDD backups... Honestly even if the price of SSDs go down, theres no way companies will have backups solely on SSDs, it would make sense to have onsite backups on them, but any offsite backups would be HDD or Tape...
I had no clue tapes are still used for back up data. That's actually pretty cool. Too bad it's not practical for a regular consumer to get a tape drive for data back up storage.
Huh, this fits very well with the third archival phase. If something is going to be stored permanently and isn't going to be acessed often, it makes sense to invest into a databank of tape.
Okay, i have said this before and Linus responded to me saying that i can close the video when an ad comes on, but an ad Halfway through the video that lasts through the rest of the video is a bit much. It makes this video 50% ad. I know you guys gotta make money but you guys take it a bit too far sometimes.
Will LMG ever consider using tape drives for long-term archiving of footage? Or is it still too expensive even for a company of your scale? I realize you're not a very big company, but if tape drives aren't practical for you, then there's no way it could be practical for home enthusiasts, right?
I think you should do a video on what dedicated servers are and how they work cause I can't find a good video on RUclips that gives a good general explanation.
+VintageLJ They are not an english exam. They are in all subjects. Alevel is just the name given to the qualification at 16-18 years old. Tech quickie is so helpful for my A level computer science.
how can tapes hold 185 tb ?? how because this is amazing but they are tapes after all NOT hard disks so how can they store so much data ? thanks......................
"The internet", now available in 10 practical cassette tapes!
That could only fit a couple days of basic quality video (5:1 BRAW 12K)
@@ATOMIC_V155 I was being sarcastic.
An abandoned comment section?
@@techhelpportalextras3007 well stop the sarcasm as it doesn't get you anywhere in life
@@stephensnell5707 oh i remember the time when sarcasm championships where a thing 😢
185tb on a single cassette is pretty amazing.
185 Terabytes is absolutely huge
The tape drive(which was the only storage I had) on my first computer stored approx 100kb per side on regular C60(you could get longer, but the heaviness of the reels caused tape stretching leading to read errors) audio tapes, and had access times of a startling 60 bytes per second for comparison.
Keep in mind, this was the mid to late '80s and it had 64kb RAM, so the longest load/save was around 5 minutes, which wasn't that much slower than the floppies of the day. Of course, you had to write down the counter time for each file or loading could take ages of searching through the tape in real time to find the file.
Well, but how do they get the data from that tape storage.
@@stephensnell1379 Not anymore in 2033.
I see you are a time traveler, you posted over 10 years too early.
Huh, I didn't know people still used tapes but I'd kind of like a tape backup server now.
+vgamesx1 don't look at the price...
Byonnem Yeah I know.. :(
But I'm sure you could find a few second hand at a reasonable price.
+vgamesx1 Amazon has a service called Glacier where you can store data on their tape archives for like 1 cent per gigabyte aws.amazon.com/glacier/
Sam Cooper Interesting, though I kinda prefer local storage so that way I could for example download my entire steam library and store it onto a tape and leave it, though at less than a cent per GB I might try that out.
+vgamesx1 I've never used it, so I can't vouch for it's quality. the thing is, you can't constantly access your data, you're only allowed to do that a couple times per month before you have to pay extra (because it takes so long to read). if you want a fun project for backing up your data locally, you can grab a 1 Terabyte drive for $50 on newegg, and probably 30 on a good sale.
That's actually pretty neat!
+Fallen Exe I du ba ba ba z tv
+Fallen Exe what are you fucking gay?
+WigWoo1 & SkipTheWolf Wow assume much? He could just be asking if hes happy. Trying to breed hate?
It's obvious, the Internet Trolls are among us ☺
+WigWoo1 & SkipTheWolf What's wrong with references?
Did someone say 100 tape drives in a raid 0?
+Matt Merrill Will still be god awfully slow. Tapes aren't meant for general use data storage anyway, they're meant for storing lots of backups, archives, or rarely used data for a long time.
+Matt S. (Jocopa3) Still, Imagine the amount of data you can store.
+Matt S. (Jocopa3) tl;dr-edition: not how it works but ur also right.
that is not strictly how it works. there are tape drives out there that do 400MB/s with a single tape so they are not realy slow, and if you did a raid 0 you would be saturating PCIE 3.0 x4 pretty quickly
BUT
that is only true for a single large file that is read out sequentially. If you lay out the tape in front of you as a straight line and the file that you want to access is a quarter mile away, well, you have to get there first. With HDDs there is a travel distance of max. 2.6 inches for the read head, so the access times are only a few miliseconds.
you could even put windows on one of these and it would work just fine. but if you do not wish to wait, oh I don't know, several years for it to boot from that tape drive, meanwhilst exchanging hundreds of burnt-out motors and worn-down gears, you would have to put it on there as a VHD (say, 64GB) file that is completely loaded into RAM before windows itself boots because windows consists of many many small files that lie pretty chaotically across the volume.
so for the use of tape drives, you are right. great for archival stuff or backups, not a day-to-day thing.
I only wish tape drives were cheaper and wider-spread because they seriously are the best way of getting to show our grandchildren in 40 yrs photos from the early 2000s.
like, that would be the prefect application for this. just every few years copying a few GB to it. and it not loosing much of it. I would bet the decay time of data on tape is much longer than on HDDs, even while they are not used.
+krass76 With some tinkering you can make the files windows needs to load be just one big sequential read....
But otherwise pretty bad idea to do that :P
yes because windows can not be installed for more than five years without getting slower or BSODing all over the place
but consider this... you never actually HAVE TO write anything to that VHD ever meaning that if you remove the write-head from your tape drive you essentially have a bombshelter-usable emergency PC that can not get destroyed by any virus (just reboot and you are good) requiring you do not attatch any other volumes and that will operate on as long as there is electric power.
and yes, I do realise how terrible of an idea that is, but you could (even if it was outlandish and stupid having a volatile windows)
that's basically an unbreakable, a little bigger, faster to boot, once customized, Windows Live CD like there has been for linux for ages...
At my last job, I worked in a datacenter and was responsible for tape management. We were using LTO tapes that stored 1.5TB uncompressed, and roughly 3TB if the data was compressed.
185TB? gosh.. obsolete stuff when renewed are pretty awesome
+Sean Freeman to a certain extent.. Yeah
optical disks...
well yea... but if there happens to be a scratch on the disk you are screwed.
I know, I had to go back, and turn on captions because I did not believe it!
"Automatic like hdd"? Expound, please.
"heavy metal tapes"
That is why the Universo is a "Behemoth" as well.
I actually own an external LTO3 drive, was like $20 online and can store up to 800gb of data per tape. Very handy for backing up huge batches of media data, like movie and tv show collections or data that would be a real pain in the backside to get back (e.g. collections of files/documents acumulated from many different sites, or personal home movies/documents)
i own an lto2 drive and an lto4 drive, i recommend upgrading to lto4 since you can get them extremely cheap on ebay now (i saw one the other day going for $25 and free shipping)
another advantage of tape is that it has a much smaller chance of being corrupted than a normal drive. a program can't really destroy it. google lost all their mail data a few years back because of some bug (also the drive backups) but was able to restore everything from the tapes. (IIRC)
Yes sir! Love my tapes as a Mainframe System Tape Admin ❤️
Speaking of old storage, how about a background on magnetic core and CRT memory?
Huh? That's way different than tape. Tape has unmimited storage capacity. Core memory and CRT was limited. In fact ALL storage medium besides tapes are limited
i really thought that tapes were long gone, but this is actually pretty cool.
Now I want a tape drive.
Hey can you explain all the new USB thunderbolt versions. All the new versions
+pat ob "All the new versions" and there is only one Thunderbolt which uses USB connector, and that is Thunderbolt 3 which uses USB type C connector (they have video on usb type C)
+pat ob There is only 3 thunderbolt versions... 1,2 and 3... The only difference between them is the speed. There are varying connectors though. USB Type C and the Mini DisplayPort connector being the most popular ones
Maybe you should rename this to TechShoutie.
Neumah TechGreenScreenie
There's a saying in German "Totgeglaubte leben länger", which roughly translates to "Those presumed dead live longer". It's odd how an ancient technology like tape drives are still going strong to this day. I guess all you need is that one niche market, reliability, the fact that it's cheap and even old tech like data tapes can survive in our digital age.
"You might still have some audiocassettes laying around."
No, I lost all of my audiocassettes, thank you very much. But really though, tape's still relevant?
+Ganaram Inukshuk Yep, it's mostly used for offsite backup that must be kept around for a very long time without data loss, and doesn't need read. My dad uses it at work, tape snapshots of everything are taken once a month and the tapes moved to an offsite vault for something like 10 years in case they're needed, either for an audit of any sort or to repair everything if something happens. (they also have an offsite incremental backup that runs nightly as well for the more day to day things)..
+Ganaram Inukshuk
i have a lot of tapes...but nothing to play them on..
+Bpendragon Presents Once a month really isn't great of a plan for worst case scenario, he has some form of HDD backup onsite/offsite right?
+Ganaram Inukshuk I'm still running casette tapes in my 24 year old car Lol. (But that's because the CD player broke, radio is shit and there is no reasonable way to replace it)
I still have loads of music cassettes. Cassettes FTW
I was always taught that one of the main factors that lead to tape being discontinued as a personal storage medium for digital data was its tendency to stretch out, with all the obvious consequences that has for strictly sectioned ones and zeroes. Has that been solved in the last thirty years, or would these modern tapes still stretch out if you repeatedly used them?
That was an issue decades ago, it has been resolved.
I thought you meant like Vacuum Column Tape Drives. Like an IBM 729. I got VERY excited for a bit. But this info is useful too. Thanks.
*Do quartz crystal storage As Fast As Possible*
+Nathan Jones that's not a thing yet
kolby4078 they have existed for years just not commercially.
kolby4078 www.slashgear.com/scientists-invent-superman-like-crystal-data-storage-medium-02407575/
+Nathan Jones Woah...
+Nathan Jones It is pretty much a over-glorified CD-R.
Just instead of burning into a dye you are burning into a silicon crystal.
Might have great capacity, but inherently single-write only, slow write speeds, and the read speed needs to be determined.
It might become a backup medium.
Recently acquired about 200 TB of LTO-4 tapes from a foreclosure. Feels pretty good but as storage mediums go, tapes have a really high learning curve.
I think I am going to buy a Tape &Drive set and Archive all of the memes I have come across together with all of the information and plans needed to build a Computer from 0 Resources.
Thank you for finally doing this video. I remember sending this request in awhile ago. :)
I would love one of those older looking tape drives in my office, that would be used for decoration, and occasional use.
It's cool to see that old fashioned data storage methods are still relevant for certain purposes. Now if only we could utilize the REAL OG of data storage, good old DNA. Then we'd have some crazy shit going on. Store a backup of the whole internet in your basement kind of shit
@Qimodis How so?
Feels like it’s possible that magnetic tape could make a comeback? (Very unlikely)
this stuff never get old, watching in 2018
You can usually find a drive that's 2 generations old for about $400-500 and then the tapes are like $25 a piece. For instance, in mid 2021 an LTO-6 drive can be had for about $500 if you spend some time looking, and the tapes are $30 each and hold 2.5TB. Worth it? Debatable. Break-even is about 40TB, after that it is worth it vs HDD.
In the worst case scenario you can buy a drive and some tapes, backup all your stuff and then sell the drive again :Do
It's not perfect but it's worth it 😜
Tape is the fastest, densest, safest, and cheapest data storage despite all the technology that has left it behind. And because of how data is written to it, it is super easy and fast to make redundant copies. It's super easy to encrypt, and if you lost the tape, the chances are someone who finds it will know what it is let alone have the hardware to read the data IF they can break the encryption.
I have a rack of servers at home and a 21tb raid5 SAN. My wife does animation and she uses the servers to render her stuff. I use the servers for software development.
I use a tape backup EVERY night! I use the tape backup for near-line storage. Each tape is auto cataloged, so I can just query a database for something and it will tell me which tapes the data is stored on for easy retrieval! I can keep unlimited historical copies of information out on tape. I use smaller (100GB) tapes for cost purposes putting all your eggs in one basket is risky.
The problem with data hording is that it just keeps getting larger and larger.
For permanent archive I store things on lots of M-discs which areike DVDs but a guranteed shelf life of 1,000 years where standard DVDs may only last a few years if not stored properly. (I know I ran tests). Some of you balk when you hear "DVDs"??? The fact is hard drive WILL go dead in short time or at the very least, the interface will no longer be available. Anyone remember MFM drives that were in the original pc??? DVDs are the most portable medium we have right now, and that's fine for a few decades now. When DVDs go away there will be a need for another portable medium. Then you get a robotic DVD player and transfer all your DVDs to this new medium. If you don't move your content along, it will be lost or incredibly expensive to get back.
So tape is a very inexpensive method for keeping unlimited amount of data stored.
Please do a half-hour or longer version of this video :)
I have to say I really like Luke doing these videos. I always wondered why he presented so many videos on the main LTT channel, but never any on TechQuickie, and it's good to see him here as well, where his more calm and relaxed voice compared to Linus actually makes him a lot easier to follow when actually explaining something.
Tapes are also great for compliance. Every place I worked at used tapes for backup of every single financial transaction. One place I worked at (in IT) had a climate controlled vault in Houston, TX next to the data center that held tapes going back to the 80's. I think there were over 10,000 tapes there and it's growing.
I worked at a bank and we had well over 85,000 9 track tapes in the vault
It's about time Luke began getting better at segways. Good job Luke.
So, are you going to use tape for your backups? I'm really looking forward to your next videos about storage at LMG!
Fact : 13 tapes are enough till death
I'm so going to look into this as a backup solution.
Finally, I can put my 21million song to a cassette tape
1:02 that cassette tape LOL
0:58 the tape machine on the left is like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". (pareidolia)
Still got my Sony cassette Walkman and it still works just fine..
Idea for an As Fast As Possible! Accessing data from long term storage backups. Like I when they have to bake tapes.
At least you can get the information back ;)
Yes you can still find cassette tapes and vinyl records to this day including reel to reel tapes in the market the way they say it so obsolete its really ridiculous a lot of people use the media
It scares me to think there are people watching this who has never used a tape device such as cassette or vhs
Next please do Trinity College pitch drop experiment as fast as possible.
The ironic part is that I can store music in cd quality on a betamax tape in digital PCM format with gear that is 34 years old :-)
And here I thought tape was a dead medium.... This is impressive!
I think 185TB is enough to hold all significant music tracks that humanity has ever created at decent quality :P
Can you do a As Fast As Possible about microphones? Shotguns, laveliers etc and explain the diffrence etc?
that was actually really interesting, something I didn't know on tech quickie,
Magnetic tape storage is no doubt a cool tech, but moving forward with inspiration from the past. A better implementation would be 3d microprint, with this method you gain layers on the tape that uses a focusing lens to bring that layer into focus, much like how one uses a telescope to view stars. Using a series of lens you could access all the layers at one time. Granted as of right now it's write tech only, but we are talking archival
Who wants to see LMG do a new petabyte server on tape?
I watched Mr Robot and didn't understand the tape drive thing. Now I do! Thanks guys :)
You didn't even mention the security advantages, one of the biggest reasons.
Did they say one tape could hold over 170tb??!!! So you're telling me we're barely able to get 10tb on a single spinning drive, but there's something that can hold 17 times that much, and it's based on the same tech that the tape deck in my old car used?? That's insane!
You also had punch tape. Don't forget blocking factor! If a record was 50 characters you could write 10 records and then you write the tape locator. More records per block the more you could fit on a tape. But when you read it back you had to read the entire block and then extract your record.
This Video refers to Magnetic Tape that is sandwiched in plastic to protect the tape
@@stephensnell5707 which has nothing to do with how it holds data.
I've just realized this...
Fast As Possible
you should do hard drive/ssd sizes as fast as possible
You're in BC. It's the Philosopher's Stone.
I mean you could make it possible for a PC rig, but it would have to load everything onto RAM chips during bootup.
I finally got my gen 3 LTO (2005) tape drive working. Due to its non-cutting-edge age, it was only $50 or so. The tapes for LTO gen 3 hold 400 GB/800 GB (compressed) each and I got 8 TB' worth for about $35. The data on LTO tapes is supposed to last about 30 years before needing a rewrite so I'm going to use it to back up all the random external HDDs I have lying around which are bound to die over time (permanently) even without use. The real pain in the ass with these is that you cough have to pay a premium for GUI-based programs that will actually let you read or write to connected tape drives. They don't function at all like typical removable media that would normally just get assigned a drive letter and be able to be explored with the (double)click of a mouse.
Cool stuff :P
Can you do next e-cigarette fast as possible I really want to know how it works and what is inside it plz do that?? would be really awesome.
Back in the day, the dream was to be able to have every song in one tape. Now we can ;-;
now we can store thousands of albums on a tiny sd card
It's got all the views because it's the only channelsuperfun video that ever gets suggested by RUclips.
Hahah 185TB on one tape? Child's play. IBM has developed 330TB on a tape. Now LOSING that tape would be a major disaster!
Combine that 185TB tape drive with 64/128GB flash memory..
+ΛVINIDE would still be slow!
+ΛVINIDE the tape drives can read at 400MB's, its not the read speed thats the problem, its latency. on a HDD the furthest the head ever has to move to read a piece of data that is on the absolute opposite side of the disk is 2.6 inches but if you had to read a file that was physically at the start of a tape and then needed to read one on the other end of the tape then it has to travel MILES. not even exaggerating.
megaspeed2v2 Hmm that's true. My idea has related to these SSHD drives
Yup, the Sony Tapes had flash memory built in to locate information fast
@@RWoody1995 how about perm latency issues when the drive craps out! No one uses tape for online storage! Its meant for unlimited near-line storage. Disk fail WAY more that tapes do! And the funny thing its usually never thr platters in the disks that fail, its the heads, drive electronics, motors etc. Tapes just have tape!! You totally cannot compare the two mediums.
Flash memory technology is the future of storage and magnetic tapes for backup.
I plan to buy a Tape drive one time in the future.
I have little to no backup plans for my home, and have found myself having to try to recover removed data on my disks.
So i think a Tape drive with monthly backup, and i also plan have a sort of raid system on short time storage.
How much data are you storing? I don't think any home user needs a tape backup system.
+01chohan Maybe he just wants it for the durability, tapes are more resilient than hard drives(although SSDs are a lot more, but yeah) and are also way cheaper,
Altarya DeFlammes I think it's a bit of an inelegant solution though. Once SSDs get cheap enough then I'll think they'll be the way to go.
01chohan That might take a long time... bessides the tapes are still farly more durable than the avarege SSD and will continue to grow in size while retaining cheap price, so right now they are the best way to backup data
+Altarya DeFlammes If we are talking about physical durability, being dropped etc, hard drives are more durable than SSDs, but having said that, tape really isn't that durable, it's just the fact that you wont be touching the tape and the fact that, if you end up needing alot of backup space (I mean ALOT) It'll be cheaper than regular HDD backups... Honestly even if the price of SSDs go down, theres no way companies will have backups solely on SSDs, it would make sense to have onsite backups on them, but any offsite backups would be HDD or Tape...
1:12 you should have used a music joke there.
I am soooo sick of HDD failures, esp since there is not necessarily any indication the drive is about to die - taking half your life with it.
Still rocking AIT2 over ere, only another 8 hours to go and my backup set will be done.
At least its backed up ;)
+Techquickie can you do a video with "how linus get mad as fast as possible" xD
The joys of tape. 5 mins to load a game on my old ZX Spectrum 128k +2
Is that possible tape drive to mining ChiaCoin, Crypto Currency? Thanks.
I had no clue tapes are still used for back up data. That's actually pretty cool. Too bad it's not practical for a regular consumer to get a tape drive for data back up storage.
That is because they would be far too slow and too sluggish for that as this Video clearly mentions
I would like a tape that would save every thing that I would do using a trailing drone
Bubble memory. ...1984-1987
Graphene capacitors. Led ccd
I might have to buy one of these and backup all my 185TB of porn.
With capacities like that tape actually seems better than bluray for storing videos on!
Most songs I got on Tape aren't older than 2 years ^^
Please make a tape PC
Somebody is going to try to build a tape server just because of this video. : )
We'll see it several months or so later on Reddit, I'm sure.
+RalphArwen
Yes, because that's how long it took to read and write the data.
"Switching from heavy metal tapes.."
Man gimme all dat shit!!
You should make a Fast as Possible about DOS and UNIX
"Think back when Blockbuster was still a thing"
Dont remind me. It was my childhood
Wow really learn something, I didnt know it was still a thing!
Huh, this fits very well with the third archival phase. If something is going to be stored permanently and isn't going to be acessed often, it makes sense to invest into a databank of tape.
And I thought tapes were long gone, proves me wrong!
also 184TB...... Jesus, that is a lot of por..... umm i mean work files!
+PC Gamer Pro For consumes Yes they are gone. Think Zip/Jazz drives.Corporate/Datacenters still use them.
"THE USUAL, SIR?"
"PLEASE."
Mr. Robot made me research this
This subject needs to be updated with a new video
So.. that Sony tape is bigger than your server?
but less than one-tenth of it size.
Okay, i have said this before and Linus responded to me saying that i can close the video when an ad comes on, but an ad Halfway through the video that lasts through the rest of the video is a bit much. It makes this video 50% ad. I know you guys gotta make money but you guys take it a bit too far sometimes.
Guys do the disk usage please
Will LMG ever consider using tape drives for long-term archiving of footage? Or is it still too expensive even for a company of your scale? I realize you're not a very big company, but if tape drives aren't practical for you, then there's no way it could be practical for home enthusiasts, right?
Not worth it. Remember the petabyte drive video? That data could be stored on anywhere from 3 to 300 tapes.
I think you should do a video on what dedicated servers are and how they work cause I can't find a good video on RUclips that gives a good general explanation.
Man where were these videos when I was doing A levels...
+jackson01able A levels are an English exam you do after college, usually around 18 years old at minimum.
+VintageLJ They are not an english exam. They are in all subjects. Alevel is just the name given to the qualification at 16-18 years old.
Tech quickie is so helpful for my A level computer science.
+Rahul Choudhry English as in England, not as in the subject.
+hammuhr i loled
+Lukas Menke same here 😂
NAS/FTP Storage as fast as possible!
how can tapes hold 185 tb ?? how because this is amazing but they are tapes after all NOT hard disks so how can they store so much data ? thanks......................