The Meaning of Ισραήλ (Israel) in Paul with Jason Staples (Key Terms in Pauline Theology: Part 6)
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- In this episode of the Biblical Languages Podcast, Kevin Grasso talks with Dr. Jason Staples about the meaning of Ισραήλ (Israel) in Paul.
Jason Staples is Assistant Teaching Professor in the Department of Philosophy and Religious Studies at NC State University. He’s the author of two books, The Idea of Israel in Second Temple Judaism, published with Cambridge University Press in 2021, and Paul and the Resurrection of Israel, which will come out next year, also with Cambridge University press. He also has worked in sports media for fifteen years, used to coach football, and does voiceover work to ensure his family can survive, and he will be launching the BiblePod podcast in the next few months.
Kevin and Jason discuss the difference between Ισραήλ (Israel) and Ἰουδαῖος (Jew) and how it relates to difficult texts like Romans 2:13, Romans 9:19-22, and Romans 11:25-26.
Show notes:
The Idea of Israel in Second Temple Judaism: A New Theory of People, Exile, and Israelite Identity (Cambridge University Press, 2021) - www.cambridge....
Paul and the Resurrection of Israel: Jews, Former Gentiles, Israelites (Cambridge University Press, forthcoming 2023)
Vessels of Wrath and God’s Pathos: Potter/Clay Imagery in Rom 9:20-23 - www.cambridge....
What Do the Gentiles Have to Do with "All Israel"? A Fresh Look at Romans 11:25-27 - static1.square...
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I love Jason Staples, from the first time I read his article on "what do the gentiles have to do with "all Israel" (rom 11:25-27) I have appreciated his fresh lens and straight-forward approach. A great scholar finally getting more credibility!
2 reasons why this guy is the best. 1. he's brilliant 2. he's a very clear communicator for non-scholarly audiences.
Totally agree - we love Jason!
@@Biblingoapp is he a Christian?
Great interview
Awesome.
Another awesome resource is the apocalyptic gospel podcast with Josh Hawkins, Bill Scofield, and John Harrigan (also John's book "The Gospel of Christ Crucified"), although I believe Jason's understanding of Israel is true and the apocalyptic gospel guys get this wrong. But the apocalyptic gospel guys bring immense value in (re)framing the gospels and apostolic writings back into their first century Jewish (apocalyptic/radically eschatological) context. Their work with Jason's work (plus Mike Heisers work), in my opinion, really encompasses the message that the Messiah and His apostles actually proclaimed in the first century. Pure gold. I think my own dissertation will infuse both thrusts!
Loved this episode
Really enjoyed the discussion. While not convinced of his view entirely, particularly his application towards the end of Romans- he brought up some really good points to think about.
He does an awesome job on this. I'm sure he's a believer. He seems to speak as such.
Very good content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jason Staples has confirmed thibgs i had thought but wasnt sure of , as far as Israel integrated into Gentile nations and becoming as Gentiles in the eyes if God. And Israel coming back through the Church , light 🕯️ of Christ.
You mentioned a link for an article in the section on Romans 9-11, could you link that?
Yes - sorry about that! Here it is (also adding to the video description): www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/vessels-of-wrath-and-gods-pathos-potterclay-imagery-in-rom-92023/10212C0E6F1B7E444E80CB3CDD58D106
Excellent. Very interesting. Thanks
@@Biblingoapp Is Jason a Christian?
To confirm, does this redefinition of the term “Gentile” still include us pagan/heathen as we traditionally understand it? Or has it always referred to the non-Jew Israelites who had no hope prior to Christ’s work on the cross/Paul’s ministry?
The question I have for Dr Staples is; is EVERYONE that isn’t from Judah or Benjamin Israelites?
1 Corinthians 10 when Paul says “our ancestors” doesn’t mean he is saying that they are the gentiles ancestors. Because you have to read down further to get the context.
Sounds confusing. Seems like Staples is saying that Israel(northern) are the gentiles. In Romans 11 Paul says he’s an Israelite. This video sounds like 2 house theology.
I think he does a great job clarifying what two house theology doesn't. If we can try to remove our filters and biases, I feel what Jason Staples shares is really worth considering. I don't label things and I think there is some validity in two house theology but I think the way Jason Staples work through it is just much more articulate and accurate. Just my opinion as I search for truth.
@MarcP5267 Staples isn't saying that exactly what he is saying or what I understand him to be saying is that when the 10 Northern tribes were exiled and dispersed among the Nations that became so assimilated into the Gentiles that to fulfill the promise of God that He would in time return them to His fold that Gentiles would also have to be brought in because the two had become inseparable or at least the portion of those tribes that had assimilated.
Paul sometimes distinguishes between ethnonational and true Israel depending on context
Well if only I could ask
Mr. Staples some questions;
(1.) How is it that these non-Israelites are being assumed by Mr. Staples to be Israelites when the biblical text never says such? (One of his examples was Uriah the Hittite, it doesn’t say Uriah the Israelite, or another example that wasn’t used but might be, Ruth the Moabite, not Ruth the Israelite.)
(2.) Are these “resurrected Israelites” patrilineal (biological) children of Israel? (based upon the custom of Israelites determining their pedigrees by their fathers as in Number 1:18)
(3.) How is it that Mr. Staples is concluding that “the gentiles” Paul is writing to aren’t just biological descendants of Northern kingdom Israelites that have been Heathenized via the exile being called back to the kingdom taught by Christ?
(4.) With Mr. Staples position anybody can become an Israelite and you can cease being “ethnically” Israel by going against God. Where does that leave the numerous text that polemicize against apostate Israelites without concluding the cessation of their ethnicity (biblically determined by patrilineal parentage)?
Ethnicity and nationality were the same thing in Biblical times. Dual nationality was also a thing
I disagree with the major premise of this book . We know the northern tribes of Israel are not lost nor have they assimilated into the nations because…
1)The Biblical accounts of Ten Tribes in Judea after the Assyrian capture of the north in 722
2) The archeological evidence of a surge of 80,000 people in Judea population at the time of the Assyrian deportation circa 720 BC. Population of Judea goes from 40,000 to 120,000. This is from 10 Tribes migrating to Judea.
3) The biblical account of Ten Tribes mentioned to be in Judea circa 530 BC after the Babylonian captivity and Ezra's and Nehemiah's repatriation
4) The strict Jewish laws prohibiting inter-racial/religion marriage
5) Paul, who was of the tribe of Benjamin, calls those who were alive and in the land of Judea and the greater Roman Empire " Israel" when speaking to Agrippa.
6) Paul mentions Israel (and he means literal Israel, distinct from Gentile) 12 times in Romans Ch 9-11
7) James addresses all 12 Tribes in James 1:1
8) Anna (Luke 2:36) was from the tribe of Asher (one of the ten supposedly lost tribes)
9) Zechariah and Elisabeth-and therefore John the Baptist-are from the tribe of Levi (Luke 1:5)
10) Jesus chose twelve apostles as a typological representation of the 12 tribes
11) King of the Jews equals King of Israel Mark 15:32
12) The massive aliyah of Israelites from Iran, Turkey and Iraq (formerly Assyria) prophesied and being fulfilled!
13) The Revelation lists 12 tribes to be restored before Christ’s second coming.
14) Peter addresses all Israel in Acts 2:22, 36 etc
15) Josephus did not understand the northern tribes to have assimilated into the nations. He saw them as still a distinct and identifiable people group.