TOP 10 FIXED BLADE STEELS - MY PERSONAL FAVORITES ON KNIVE STEELS - N690, CPM3V, AUS8, 1095, D2...
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I agree and you are the expert anyways having broken more blades than any sane or insane human since the middle ages ;-)
thats probably the nicest thing anybody has ever said to me! bless u brother!
@@joex ✋️✝️
I think both of you would appreciate checking out Luong La. He's been cutting nails with his custom made 64 HRC blades for years.
Blade design/ edge geometry and good HT is more important than latest greatest magic steels.
i must agree!
@@joex The inventor of the very Magna-cu%# as you call it said same in a vid.
@@willbrink 👍
MARLBORO
I'm fan of both magic steels ( for edge retention & stainless) and vanilla steels (for strength) - you can't have all three, but I'm a hugefan of the former
Stay crushin it JoeX...we all enjoy your videos buddy...👊
thanks !
Completely agree on the heat treatment. A good heat treatment on an okay steel goes much farther than an okay heat treatment on a good steel.
cool!
Blade geometry, lenght, thickness, steel type also play a important role but sure heat treatment is vital. If the steel is too soft it wont cut well if blade steel tempered too hard it ends up too brittle.
We have a puukko knife company in Finland called Marttiini that makes 1,4116 chromiun steel puukko knives and even thou the knife steel steel isnt impressive they heat treat it very well. The resut is a usable knife brand.
I tend to agree with you on your heat treatment vs steel. Heat treat is the key with any steel.
yeah, i think so too!
JoeX heat treats steel with his bare hands.
Marlboro!
thank you for another great video review and professional experience opinion - advice!
u are welcome!
I thought about it for a minute but it didn't work . Joe X your the best no matter what you do. 💗
thanks! this one was a tough one!
Best knife torture channel ever..thank you my friend!! Cheers
🤟🤟🤟🤟
Hi Joe, your tests reveal everything, steels, shapes and sizes... that's where it reveals how good a knife is... Marlboro...!!
cool! glad to have u here!
Heattreatment and modern steel making processes can do wonders for old steel recipes.
I made a knife from modern hss steel. And it is crazy tough, despite experts saying it will break and chip like crazy.
I would carry it every day, if I didn't suck at making knife sheeth.
awesome, maybe u can send me one someday!
@@joex Sure, when I get another piece of cherry tree root wood and a few hundred hours to craft it without power tools:D Chances are better if you can live with a oak grip.
Best knife guy on RUclips. Thank you sir.
awesome thanks!
Joe X thanks for your ranking of the top steels in your testing. Gotta get some Magnacunt to destroy !
Do not dual with DBK. We need you guys to keep making videos !
My favorite steel : MARLBORO !
i need some cunt too!!!!!!
@joex I could too Joe. Think there are a lot of us that could get some work done with one .........or two 😁 !
Never heard of that steel. I bet it's expensive and difficult to work with.🤣
Thanks, Joe! Happy weekend
thanks!
What is Magnacunt? LOL. Always those marketing names
😉
Thank you for your expert opinions
Ur m o m knows
yeah thanks tonny and dino!
@@DinoNucciBad bad Dino. Shame on you. Not the m o m.
@@aliveandkicking1977 Yeah not the mom
Great simple tutorial on blade steel thank you Joe 🇦🇹 🇳🇿
u are welcome, glad u like it !
Great video! I am happy to say, that I have ALL of your top 10 steels!!!❤
awesome!
What about 5160? Leaf spring steel. Great video from the authority on the subject.
5160 is an excellent sword steel
Never heard of it in knives tho
i could not cover everything!
@@joex ya I appreciate what you did cover, I was wondering personally what you think. Buck made some GCK and Talon tools using it.
Nice video. 👍 I’m a fan of 1095.
cool!
aus-8 is pretty awesome, i bought an aus-8 for each of my brothers, we all daily carry aus-8. they dont know as much about knives so i just tell them its a survival steel that most likely wont break unless you are intentionally trying to break it.
i like it too!
That's why I always enjoy my Extrema Ratio 3909 in n690 because I can trust that knife
cool!
I ❤ the DBK boys so I’ll go ahead and say, please go easy on them Joe. They’re so pretty, save the face.
i love them too!!!!
Yes. Most of my fancy steels have shit heat treatment. Only REX45 seems to be consistently delivered. I've gone back to AUS#, VG10, and simple carbon steels.
i never had a REX blade!
@@joex It performs a lot like M4, But it must be easier to treat. I have really good M4 and some bad. But always good REX.
Excellent choices. Thanks.
cool!
I'm surprised 5160 didn't make the list.
yeah, i forgot that one!
I like that steel
Great video!
thanks!
@@joex I’m glad you’re back in action. The knife community needs your content 👊
@@411Outdoors
Joe X and DBK deathmatch! But if you destroyed each other, then we'd have nothing to watch...😆
true! so we need someone else! but who!
I like 5160.. except it's almost summer and it will be out of fashion then... cuz it's spring steel 🤪.
ok cool, thanks for the info!
Spring steel for kukri design and farm work. Easy to sharpen. Best for hard work.
Tnx for info. I'm a fan of thin blades and they have to be flexible. Anything will do as long as it is salt resistant.
u are welcome my friend!
One budget knife for hunting/backpacking/survival ? Thanks for video joe. Keep up the fantastic entertainment 👍
u are welcome!!!!!!!!
Your top steels are good in the city... In the woods, the situation changes a bit...
cool!
in the woods everything changes!
Bro, when you grabed EspadaXL my hart started pumping!!! I think that is really one of a kind!!! I love you my brother!!!
love u too!
I liked youre tier list ✌️ N690 is good, 80crv2 is good, Aeb-L is a pure stainless which you havent tested yet. Good steels in youre list 🎉✌️🤟
👍👍thanks
So what is the best n690 fixed blade under 200$ you’d recommend?
Messerfieber blades!
Also tempted to check out the spyderco magnacut its in their salt line I had a h1 folder from them for a bit
i am sure not cheap!"
Tai pan is a beautiful knife
yes!
Joe have you tested any 14c28n blades ? I agree i also love n690
i am not sure!
Aus10a s35vn 3v are my favorite in every class..honorable mentions m390/20cv s30v m4 san mai
ok nice!
What about 14c28n family (12c27, 13c26, aeb-l)?
forgot my stepmums fam!
Shocked about N690, its not well known for being tough.
my last tests proofed that and will proof it !
It's just the blade geometry that he's using. You know that.
I would still love to see you tackle the Emmerson Government Mule. He guarantees its indestructability under hard use.
I would really like to see the Work Tuff Dregoth in SK-85.
maybe someday!
In JoeX we trust!... for steel choice.
thanks brother!
What do you think of Extrema Ratio's n690?
check my vids!!!!!
joe your words are true. i know there is a lot of nonsense on youtube. but i saw with my eyes the great battles you had. i will trust you only
thanks ! glad to have u on the dark side!!!!!!!
Nice bro , thanks I gonna buy me a Eppo !
Watch out ?!
awesome!
Even though steel is the last factor you should care for on a knife, I bet that Joe's favorites,should have been: Ball bearing (52100), CPM 3V, Vanadis 4 Extra, CPM Cruwear... D2 is one of the least tough steels out there,far from being a "Joes" favorite,the way he thinks knives should be..which is the opposite to what they should actualy be (for a "good" knife.)
Yeah, toughness is just one part of the equation. It's not minor, but it all depends the type of knife we are speaking off. Chopper or pocket knife for lots of cutting tasks. He should have picked other steels. strictly for toughness. 420HC did also already better than 1095. And D2 is not a tough steel at all.
I personally only carry a snap-off utility knife , 9mm. I can cut thick cardboard with that fine.🤷♂
For a hobby I have my preferences also, outside of the daily snap-off knife.
I'm not into these expensive 'supersteels'. Never gave a bit about expensive brands, same with cloths and shoes. It's all bullocks.
I rather sharpen my knife a little more often than pay half a car for a knife.
maybe u are right! i need to test more "super steels", thanks for your intel!!!!
@@joex
If it's all about toughness mainly, yes than he has a point for sure.
1055 is already way tougher than 1095, you saw that with the CS machete's.
But as also mentioned, a knife is not its worth in toughness only. It's a mix of qualities. And depening on the type of knife. Machete, yes than toughness all the way. I find toughness also more important in 6inch and longer blades. Other people's MMV.
@@Ve-suvius OLFA makes THE best utility snap off blades and knives!!! Check them out,they also have edc versions that look like Kiridashis!!
ok!
Best reviews ever
thanks!
I love the 80CrV2, especially from Terävä
cool!
JoeX kneels, without knees.
JoeX can pop a wheelie on a unicycle
i love u guys!
DC53 is a nice tough steel and keeps its edge for a long time. It’s kinda like a non powder formed cruware.
ok!
Yeah carbon steel, car spring steel, N690, 14C28N and 420 are my favourite steels 👍🏼
cool!
Joe try DC53 that tool it's 2 times tougher than D2 and no chip
ok
We love POMFRIIITA and Joey X so well done😂😊😊😊🤩🤩🤩🤩
thanks my friends!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I love to see the espada shred uinto pieces.
i made a video about that!
I think that sk5 and sk85 is exactly same steel, just named differently for some reason. Like d2 and a110 is the same steel, it feels like companies or blademakers are banking on people not realizing their steel is an ancient budget steel instead of smth fancy.
If i recall correctly, n690 in terms of composition is comparable to vg10 and aus10, with just slight differencies between them.
Similar situation with 8Cr13MoV , which is basically chinese AUS-8.
ok, thanks for the info!
@@michalman976 so after some quick interwebs searching I've gathered & stolen this...
AUS-8 has 3X the Molybdenum and Vanadium than 8Cr13Mov does and those are major carbide formers.
8Cr13MoV:
Carbon - .8%
Molybdenum - .15%
Silicon - .5%
Chromium - 13%
Manganese - .4%
Nickel - .2%
Phosphorus - .02%
Sulphur - .01%
Vanadium - .1%
AUS-8:
Carbon - .75%
Molybdenum - .80%
Silicon - 1%
Chromium - 14.5%
Manganese - .5%
Nickel - .49%
Phosphorus - .04%
Sulphur - .03%
Vanadium - .26%
The steels aren't the same, but they are similar.
Depending on the HT and tempering process, and how much Chromium gets pulled into the Matrix along with the Vanadium and Molybdenum in AUS-8 there should be a difference, how noticeable will depend on the variables.
The QC from Japanese factories is generally far superior to Chinese export 8Cr13MoV. AUS-8 tends to be made to tighter recipe tolerances.
@@michalman976AUS-8 has 3X the Molybdenum and Vanadium than 8Cr13Mov does and those are major carbide formers.
8Cr13MoV:
Carbon - .8%
Molybdenum - .15%
Silicon - .5%
Chromium - 13%
Manganese - .4%
Nickel - .2%
Phosphorus - .02%
Sulphur - .01%
Vanadium - .1%
AUS-8:
Carbon - .75%
Molybdenum - .80%
Silicon - 1%
Chromium - 14.5%
Manganese - .5%
Nickel - .49%
Phosphorus - .04%
Sulphur - .03%
Vanadium - .26%
The steels aren't the same.
Depending on the HT and tempering process, and how much Chromium gets pulled into the Matrix along with the Vanadium and Molybdenum in AUS-8 there should be a difference, how noticeable will depend on the variables.
Plus AUS-8 tends to be made to tighter recipe tolerances, and QC from Japanese factories is far superior to Chinese export steel.
@@michalman976they are similar, but not the same. AUS-8 has 3X the Molybdenum and Vanadium than 8Cr13Mov does and those are major carbide formers. AUS-8 is generally better given the fact that Japanese factories usually have far greater QC and Chinese export steel has wide composition tolerances.
Lmao "MagnaCunt", I love myself a good word play! 😂🤣
yeah!
@@joex I wish I had thought of that!
I think 14c28n is underappreciated for fixed blades. It's very tough, holds a decent edge, and it's stainless. As a bonus, it's cheap, giving you high performance to price ratio.
possible!
Yeeeeaaaah, Marlboro the two Dutch bushmen 😀
Marlboro!!!! yeah!
I have a sneaky suspicion that you would send the DBK boys running and screaming like little girls in a knife fight!
i am so on it!
I also am a n690 fan. Would you know of any company making a drop point survival knife 20cm blade lenght?
maybe something awesome is coming sooN!
Nieto chaman xxl - n690co 192cm survival knife
the race is on between Joe and the Dutch Bushcraft boys.....who vill ......GET TO DE CHOPPA FIRST....????😂
i think i will get them before the choppa!
N690 in first place? Isn't it a high alloy, low toughness steel? Decent edge holder though, I have LKW Small Hero made of it 👍
i got a feeling!
i think you should consider Magnacut, the high end steel that perform toughness of carbon steel & rust resist like stainless steel...if heat treated properly
i will do her someday big time!
@@joex а вы не пробовали сталь PGK? о ее прочности слагают легенды😊
Magnak**t 😂, also do DC53 Seems like a beast steel to me, no chips from hard wood batoning so far.
thanks for the info!
I would be interested to see you test a good heat treated blade in magnacut around 61-62. I don’t know how many people really have their heat treat down on magnacut though. Honestly 3V should be tougher being a non stainless, and magnacut also should be tougher than n690, of all the stainless steels 14c28n/ AEBL should have the best toughness based on composition, but geometry and heat treat are proven once again to be more important. Sadly I don’t know of a lot of good hard use production blades in 14c or AEBL hopefully someone can help with that. Honestly carbon steel reigns supreme if you don’t spend a lot on it.
would be interesting for sure!
Hi bro. I foun magnacut steel for my dagger. How you think its ok for dagger? Some of your funs recomended me cpm 3v, but magnacut i read its better and new modification 3v. Did you tested some big knifes from magnacut? ❤
good question, we need to find out asap!
no magnacunt till now!
@@joex its new modification of cpm 3v. Of course from usa🤗. Characterestics much better. Waiting a knife from it...
A real man's review for sure. Joe ur a riot to say the least !!
thanks a lot!
Have N680 on my only Benchmade, a discontinued model I got for 80 bucks: small fixed blade. (I know it is an inferior steel to N690 but I wonder by how much so. I operated on the belief that N690 wasn’t even in the premium class but thats because of what knife nerd charts say.) Same principal as the Ka Bar TDI style knife, pistol grip, law enforcement self defense. I'm delicate with it. I'm sure you would bust the tip within 10 seconds.
But for a blade designed only for flesh and fine fabric I guess it is a fair tradeoff. I mean, do you want the most unbreakable steel in a knife fight. Well yeah. But if it is at the cost of thinness and lightness, maybe not. I'm sure most of the self defense genre of knives could have their tip break/shatter/bend upon hitting bone like a rip. But if it breaks off inside someone it sorta did the job very well? Unless they have friends.
Also nice to remember a dude doesn’t even need friends, just a baseball bat to make your self defense blade choice sort of nullified.
a baseball bat is always a win!
I love Magnacut. People go crazy over every new steel, but it's the first one in my opinion that actually lives up to the hype. If you're going to test a fixed blade in it, I hear Carothers is doing it best right now. Gonna be an expensive test though.
i love those kunts too!!!!!!! Marlboro!
Whoah INFI above me beloved 1095!
It's okay though, I haven't had it yet. 😇
i think INFI is not too bad after all!
@@joex Nice nice, one of those days I will also get my hands on some!
So far I have only read and heard about it. I will watch that test next! 🙂
Dude the strongarm was the strongest, the only blade as i remember, that you had to use a sledgehammer to kill.
ARES WTG needed a shotgun!
JoeX for the WIN!!!
Marlboro!
In a fight, Joe X all day!
Marlboro!
Hey im guessing you didnt know that sk85 is just the new name for sk5. Im guessing they changed the name so its more clear on what the carbon content is.
no i missed that!
You should try a blade made from the s series steel like s5 shock steel its some of the toughest steel made. They make jackhammer heads out of it because it has such high shock resistance
Good stuff Joe, wie immer
Besten Dank!
That's very interesting. Especially with what you say about Aus 8. In my experience Aus 8 was complete shit, because wouldn't hold an edge for anything. It was a SOG folder and it pissed me off because I really liked the knife. After what you've said, it must have just been a really bad heat treatment. I learn quite a lot from your vids. Thanks.
during my testing i experienced this result! of course that can change!
Joe X can believe it's not butter.
true!
Aus8 is my favorit👍
cool!
From your list, it seems that stainless steels perform better that high-carbon ones, if there is a good heat treatment.
However, it takes me by little bit surprise that N690 is rank 1st. 3V is verified at least 2 times toughness than N690.
I just wonder if you feel that N690 performs better than 3V on penetration tests.
Nevertheless, you draw my attention on N690 knives.
i say what i think, if i am wrong then i am wrong!
@@joex You misunderstand me. I respect all your tests on knives. Thus, I would like to get your inner view on real feelings. I would never say you are wrong, my friend.
So, do you feel that tips of knives made by N690 are perform better than 3V?
i know, i can not explain everything on every comment! my time is limited! i try to answer every comment at least once! i do videos where i explain stuff! cheers!
hard question anyways°
I don't recall you looking at AEB-L or the Sandvik stainless steels much: 12c27 with a good temper should be quite tough, tougher than 14c28n even. Admittedly, these are hard to come by in good quality on a fixed blade
ok thanks for the info, Mora steels i think!
@joex Yeah, not sure if Mora is doing an optimal heat treatment, though. They seem to be "good enough at a good price," and more notable for value and utility than maximum performance
@@andrewfournier8817Morakniv does a good job heat treating their steel. I've used dozens of them over the last 25 years and have never had an improperly treated blade. Are they maximizing the treatment for performance? I think they actually are. Swedes take great pride in their cutlery production, and have a many generations tradition of making quality blades.
Their straight high carbon sharpens up quickly and you can get it scary sharp. Close to scalpel sharp on their thinnest models if you want to. The sandvik stainless they use is very stain resistant and very tough as far as stainless steel goes. Of course having zero point scandi grind geometry limits the edge toughness compared to other designs.
My favorite is the Mora2000, best lightweight camp/hiking knife I ever found. The neutral handle is very comfortable even with extended use. The compound blade shape really helps give it all-around capacity. The thin distal tapered forward belly section makes it great for food prep & animal processing. And the thin wide blade gives it excellent woodworking capability.
@@andrewfournier8817Morakniv does an excellent job heat treating their steel. Swedes take great pride in their cutlery production and they have a many-generations history of quality blade manufacturing. I've used dozens of Mora's over the last 25 years and have never had an improperly treated blade from them. Are they maximizing the performance of their steels? I think they do.
@MB-jg4tr For large scale industrial heat treating, I'm sure they do well. But moras are "tougher than you'd expect " not deliberately made as survival knives
Master of distruction,I thought 3v is the king!!!?
me too!
You get that red ruby handle espada yet ?
i saw it, i will need that one!
Have you ever tested Extrema Ratio blades Joe? 🇦🇹 🇳🇿
yes i think 2
My favorite knife steel is always the one that’s sharp and not dull lol. Three-wee and Magna-cunt, fukin love it! Lol…thanks Joe.
u are welcome, sharp is always good!
Glad you got another Operator7….lmao 👍👍🇺🇸
my comments are getting deleted again!
Do you have any experience with aeb-l?
nope!
The DBK boys would craft a sneaky bush craft trap resulting in Joe being catapulted into a river from a good height.
they can cook pomfrita for me too!
@@joex mosselen, pomme fritz, & ein grosse biere por favor!
I like h-13 to make my knives
ok!
Lol I love foots ❤
awesome!
N690?
So I'm going ANV 😁
And the price is ok
ok cool!"
Хорошее видео, как и игра.
Marlboro!
Wär cool, wenn Du mal UG-Tools testest
zu teuer !
I like the video
thanks!
I feel the ESEE love 🔪🇺🇸
awesome!
@@joex 🔪🖤🇺🇸
Reini Rossmann mag ich! 🥰
cool!
My favorite fixed blade steel is 8670
cool!
Ah, whatta heck, give me Marlboro!
yeah!
I have few "Magnacunt" steel blades, hope you won't destroy it with no problem 😅
we will see about that!
Good to know that AUS 8 is still kicking ass all these years later.
yeah i think it does!
Test some Joker knives
maybe!