The best thing a Pluto person needs to learn is to let go. Trying to manipulate somebody into an all consuming relationship they really don't want will not give you what you are seeking. Even if the other person chooses to stick around, they will only be there in body, not in spirit. And, you want the entire person. But, just understand they won't or can't give it to you. Admit that this is something you yourself can do, but its not something everybody is capable of. If you are Hades and your Persephone is not reciprocating, she actually isn't your Persephone, because the mythological Persephone chose to stay in the underworld and actually fought for undivided affection of her husband. Let go.
Kasidis Supongthorn I think both of you should stay away from each other bc the squares are difficult aspects and a venus square pluto can lead to abuse, including physical abuse. Pay attention to what she is saying in the video, the trine and sextile are easy aspects while the squares, quincux and conjunctions can be difficult.
@@bestforyouall I think it is better to stay and observe what happened. Astrology is complex, even synastry is more complex. We never know if square could abuse. House overlay in synastry should be taken into consideration, especially in natal too.
Is it possible that Pluto person would not feel this countact? I have moon square Pluto and Venus conjunct pluto in synastry with a guy I was seeing..we are separated at the moment, I am the personal planet he’s pluto. He acts like he’s not bothered when I finished the relationship yet in the beginning before he asked for my number he was stalking me...is it possible that he’s not interested or is this part of his power game? I’m Trying to figure this out...
@@henrietadale5079 did you figure out at the end? I am seeing someone. His Pluto in Libra is conjunct my Venus in Libra, 7 house, not sure if I should go on or not. I hope you are well!
@@astralspice5 hi, with that particular relationship I had to let go as he was not allowing to bond and I’m scorpio Venus!!!! So merging is a must. I have however new relationship with same aspects. Plus his Scorpio moon conjunct my Venus and mercury also pluto conjunct my Venus and squaring my moon and this is a very deep and loving feeling. We simply cannot separate. It’s very deep and loving so I would say that it’s depending on other supporting aspects. I wish you all the best and if you are a little scorpionic then you will love it!!!! All the very best ❤️❤️❤️❤️
+Victoria TeBeest , totally agree with you. Unfortunally, I will only get involved with this type of relationships as in my natal chart my venus is square pluto (I am Taurus ascendant) and there are pluto generation that will make this square to my venus. Very obsessive with me, funny is I don't care that much of them being like but at the same time I do care, I have a grand-trine of venus/moon/Uranus, look the Uranus here wanting to be free spirit.
Victoria TeBeest EXACTLY! No surprise to hear men have issue with the videos, That's the story of Pluto incarnated. I have some difficult aspects to pluto in my birth chart, which has really transformed me. I can't handle anymore crazy, obsessive stalkers, so I refuse plutonic relationships all together now, I don't care how exciting and passionate. My sun conjucts lilith and my vertex, square to pluto. Ceres is on my moon 10° apart in same sign/5th house as my sun/lilith (moon hold lowest degrees.) Lilith is in the 9th, 8th house too. Anyway, It's so clear to me now why ppl love or hate me. Jewel, these videos (especially pluto and lilith, obviously!) CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH 🙇 I cry a lot when I'm learning bc it's soooo true. *My parents composite chart and synastry is wild*. No wonder my mother HATED men...anyway they have composite pluto venus conjuction. Opposing junos in synastry, both at EXACTLY at 29°!!!! What's more interesting to me, is that my Leo ascendant degree falls right in between the venus pluto composite conjuction! I am litterally their *karmic love child!* They are extremely TOXIC ppl, especially to eachother, eachothers pets, belongings... and then made ME the scape goat. My childhood was filled with malice, neglect, rejection, abuse and abandonment. I legally divorced them thru emancipation halfway thru high school. My chart is insane with enormous will power, no one gets me even though they think they have me figured out. I refuse to do FB, too invasive, I already have stalker problems. FB gives me anxiety (I suffer ptsd and constant panic attacks that's what lead me to astrology bc no therapists could help me. I don't relate to anyone bc I have been to the underworld, I came from the underworld and escaped. (my emancipation actually happened EXACTLY 18 years after I was conceived...) There's a major power punch, in my chart, with a pluto/saturn, mars, north node trine. Point of fortune in my ascendant, close degree. All my energy is channeled through my north node and ascendant, it's wild and can definitely be explosive. Juno conjuct venus, too. Its really powerful for better or worse, luckily these videos have helped me understand myself so much and how important North Node in the 11th, and how to use it positively and to my advantage again, as i innately did in my youth when i was just sweet and painfully shy. Seriously, that's what is written in all my yearbooks, "you're so sweet" So naturally, I cut my hair and got two facial piercings when I was finally free of the prison that was supposed to be "home" to give me an edge. lol, I don't think that helped haha, I should stick with being SWEET (sun neptune aspect) bc ppl see whatever they want in me and it's so different, I'm litterally a mirror to others. (it works both ways I'm learning, so amazing to come out of the fog) (i am not a feminist btw, i LOVE MEN...like a lot! 😏 (Saturn squared venus, w/ lilith sun- yeah, women hate me, so it's easier with men, except every close male friend eventually "falls in love" with me and spoils the friendship, then THEY hate me too.) Anyway, instead of hating everyone for hating me, I have been learning astrology and even about MGTOW (men going their own way) and the book of Zed, (I'm raising a son and need/want to understand, my dad was never around growing up, I moved all the time and no brothers. If you want to understand Men and their collective modern motives, I HIGHLY recommend free book online "Zed the zen priest." And yes, it's true, my sun pluto square, I never would have trusted an astrologer. Lol, I died laughing at the impression in the video of a sun squared pluto person, NAILED IT
actually, I'm thinking about making a fluff FB account, bc guys have told me they think it sexy and mysterious that I DON'T HAVE A DAMN ACCOUNT. ahhhh, lol, I can't win. I really REALLY do not want FB. I LOVE that no one can find me online. lol, my name is actually J. Smith too, so that's perfect for me 😆
This is your exact video that saved my Life is every possible way because you helped me finally get out of the most toxic abusive relationship I could ever think of. Thank you
Well, Jewel, as a woman who has natal Sun conjunct Pluto by less than a degree and Venus conjunct Pluto by less than half a degree ... I think your Pluto videos are quite excellent. The Persephone myth is a great key to understanding this Plutonian psychological terrain (or, rather, sub-terrain). It's cool to me that this video was published on my birthday!
I have strong Pluto, Scorpio and BML. I've found that researching co-dependency and setting boundaries is freeing me of these toxic relationships. But love as I knew it had to die. That in itself was very painful. I mourned the death of love and now it is being reborn. It's been about a 2 year process so far. Now I choose love for myself over love of another. Still single and willing to wait until I fully know my worth.
CharChar I am on this journey now. Letting the old concept of love die is difficult because to me it has been painful, intense, etc. (Pluto opp Venus natal), 8th house. I feel like I AM dying. It is a difficult process. Not in a full-fledged relationship but on the edge of one. Trying not to jump in.
Im a male that completely and whole heartily experienced a Plutonic relationship..and your explanations were eerily on point! It was intense in my experience as well as my ex-girlfriend. What I saw is a Venus square Pluto in her chart and a Venus moon conjunction in the Synastry. I have too study more of the Aspects..but I just want to say as a man..no you are not at all exaggerating from a feminist perspective..the power in a relationship like this is real.
TheGentlemanApollo I've read a Venus square Pluto is a sign of unrequited love, and so they become intense and manipulative to get or hold onto the love they fear they will lose. I'm sorry about your experience.
aquarius star72 Yes it absolutely was a unrequited love experience! Thank you for your sympathy. The positive is it gives strength and great transformation to self worth and love relating going forward. I decided to be grateful 😊
TheGentlemanApollo did you ever study the aspects more? I have had a couple Pluto/moon conjunctions... one where I was the moon and the other where I was a Pluto. I’m talking exact degree. It seemed more impossible as the moon person to let go of the Pluto person. As the Pluto person, I never obsessive about the moon person, but I never really let go either. The attraction always remained but there is awareness that it would never be a long term deal. So it was easy to accept him as is, as a friend.
I have my moon ( scorpio) conjunct my Husband's Pluto and my Husband has his moon ( scorpio) conjunct my Pluto ... so I feel Hades and Persephone at the same time ... I feel more Hades than Persephone though .. but I believe that's because I did 5 years of deep inner-work and I processed alot of my childhood trauma ... so now Im slowly pushing him to do the same so we can both be the authentic healed version of ourselves.
I don't feel like you're being too hard on anyone. I've recently realized I have sort of emotional obsession with another person so when I saw your video series it pretty well described everything I've been doing. For the longest time I didn't know that's what was happening with me and I was glad to have found information regarding this so that I can heal these parts of myself. Thank you for your insight and wisdom on this subject.
Dating my ex with strong plutonic energies was like entering Silent Hill (the videogame), I don’t mean that as a joke that’s what it felt like. It was so beautiful and so ugly
I got into a Plutonic relationship with a guy when I was at University. I thought he was my soulmate, I was obsessed with him, couldn't get enough of him, we had breakups, make-ups, all with great intensity, but after a while it went bad. I couldn't stand living life on a rollercoaster, he became abusive and controlling. Fortunately I was able to walk away. Plutonic relationships may be OK for those who want a life of drama, but that wasn't me. I have since avoided them !
It's not drama. It's transformation, soul-merging in a ever changing infinity loop. People forgot that Pluto role in synastry is to show ourselves the part in us that has been denied, shunned away. It forces US to recognize and become one of our shadow. The key is Pluto shows US hard working road that leads US to who we really are. You don't leave the Pluto person. We married ourselves. Once we acknowledge and try to become one of our shadow through the hard-road, you only want to be closer to Pluto. Pluto can be the light and he can be very bright. A bright Hades.
Yeah, it's not drama or the need of it. And unless you have/are familiar with Pluto/Scorpio/8th house energy and intensity, you'll not understand it. It's not for the mellow or shallow. This energy is here to transform, bring growth, profound connections, shifts. Other energies have their purposes. Not about drama. "Drama" happens to be associated with these people/energies/connections because it's not the lah-di-dah, everything's dandy and rose-coloured and no one ever evolves in anyway, just cruise along in our comfort zones types of partnerships. I can experience no other connection, romance-wise, they seem pointless, brother-and-sister-esque and purely platonic.@@manicpepsicola3431
@@angelsub9184AGREED and PLUTO IS FORCING YOU TO CHANGE and Change is painful as hell so you got to let it go the hate the rage to give place to love and sometimes hate is comfortable we like it cause we know it but love is more difficult to give TRUST ME
Not abusive but passionate??? Controlling, emotional withdrawal, delaying responses to text or phone calls, leaving town every week. Punishing me for not giving him enough praise for putting in new counter tops in my kitchen I finally had enough when I hadn't heard from him the week before my surgery. He finally text me good morning that day. I didn't respond. I didn't hear from him again for 2 days asking how it went. My friend packed up his tools and brought them back. Haven't heard from him since. Seeing him drive by my office though but I think he knows I'm done. No more "passionate" relationships for me. This Neptunium empath has had enough!
Perhaps the reason for such a reaction from many of the male viewers to your videos on this type of relationship is because the relationship our current society has with its individual members, particularly women, is a Plutonic one in itself. the eductaional system that controls and forces children to lose and erase who they really are, the 9-to-5 meaningless job rat-race existence, etc. We are living in a society modeled on the Pluto-Persephone dynamic and it is the norm so no one questions it. Anyone who does is blamed and shamed for it so the status quo is maintained.
"Is this how you want to spend your time though..." Plutonian me: 💯%🖤 What else do you want to live for? How do you want to spend your time? Working, shopping, eating, pooping, sleeping, repeating? What is the point of life unless there is passion, depth, transformation. growth, profound soul connection and intense passionate and compassionate LOVE. That is more satisfying than any 5star meal, or designer whatever. What's the point in a beautiful sunset unless you have your soulmate to share it with. How else would you want to spend your time?
I love how you said that the tremendous passion of this relationship is just "misplaced passion" and that can easily clarify what's going on in Plutonic relationships! 👏👏👏 gosh you're the best relationship Astrologer Jewel! 💟💟💟 Thank you so much as always! 😊
That video was my exact relationship. I’m a gay male. I’m a Libra sun and libra rising with Pluto in libra. I dated a libra male, with a Scorpio moon and mercury, and he also had Aries rising mars in Aries and Aries north node. It was a nightmare. He was an alcoholic , a sex addict, liar and cheater. But everything looked amazing. Once it ended I blocked him and he tried several times to reconnect. But I couldn’t even text this person ever again. I don’t even want to run into him in nyc. And i have Pluto conjunct Saturn in my first house. But omg I love who I’m becoming! So you video was sooooooooooooooooooooooo on point.
10 years on from the end of the Pluto relationship I had (moon square Pluto synastry) and my ex gets in touch (he's Pluto) again and again...it hurts all over again...nothing has changed...he still plays the same tune...me too. Oh my god....so difficult to break...spot on Jewel!!! Even if you don't want that person, they find a way to always hook you in..even though you hate them. My Pluto ex was abusive. Although I'm not the Pluto person in the synastry...I am Plutonic in my chart...so it's confusing.
I m at the beginning of a plutonic relationship and i could feel the intensity from miles away. I even rejected him at the first place because I was scared as hell of what this could be as i'm much older than him... I'm actually the pluto person in this relationship even if his pluto also cunjunct my venus i have more contact with my pluto to his venus, moon, mars and uranus... Hard aspects in venus (cunj and opposition) and square with uranus. easy aspect with moon and mars. We also have a putonic theme in our composite 😥 we have beautiful aspects too but also a lot of neptunian aspects omg!!! It feels so good when we are together but as soon as we are separated it's horrible and i feel super unsafe.. I 'm quite aware of my psychological wounds though and i try to acknowledge them when they come up and also try to explain to him what is going on as we have good communication skills due to some mercurian and moon aspects too that allow us to share our emotions deeply. But i'm really confused and overwhelmed by this relationship. I was not expecting this type of relationship to manifest in my life. I was searching for a peaceful type of soulmate realationship where you feel at home with eachother. I really don't understand why this has manifested in my life as i thought i did the work for attracting a healthy relationship... I can't believe i'm in it! 🤦♀️
Same girl in the same year I’ve attracted 4 scorpio one after another one was scorpio sun and mars and the another scorpio sun and Venus I don’t know the other cause we cut short only one of them “stayed” even thought we gone thru drama and separated I still love this guy smh , it’s hard cause my libra sun heart is in pain each damn time Libra sun - scorpio Mars conjuct Pluto in ♏️ - scorpio MC - Scorpio Venus
In my situation what helped me on the way out was seeing something really exiting that was waiting for me and I could do that by myself. It promised ( and delivered ) challenge, growth, freedom from feeling that my life being wasted. Being in Plutonic space corrupts your soul by making somebody else responsible for your decisions and this what really makes you handicapped and requires time for recover your free will, learn to make qualified decisions and ability to be responsible for results. Actually, Pluto is indicator of corruption and I saw a lot of that in different interpretations (Pluto conjunct Ketu). Thank you, Jewel. I see clear now.
This is so interesting and true. I have been on both sides of the relationship, most recently, I was 'out-Plutoed' by my husband, whom we are separated. He had about 5 planets in his eighth house and Scorpio and Pluto on the Asc. I am still reeling from it but learning to grow in ways I didn't know existed.
Was in an awful Plutonian relationship with a Scorpio Mars man who had his moon in my 8th house and I had my sun, moon, chiron, mercury in his 12th, with his Saturn in my 12th. We had a Pluto trine Mars and a Venus opposite Pluto and I had Saturn aspects against his sun (and other planets) for instance. Horrible toxic relationship where all we did was be disgustingly awful to each other. He wound up finally leaving me when I hurt his ego so badly he couldn’t face me. I can tell he’s still attached me to and I’ve moved on. I never understood the hold he had on me and why I couldn’t walk away. It was heartbreaking and I couldn’t let go. I was glad when it finally ended because it literally felt like the end of the world for me. Every awful insecurity I’ve ever had about myself came to the surface in being with him. I’m certain it was a karmic relationship. So relieved it’s over.
I do love your videos, you're very good and you're right, if it becomes something toxic then for sure that's energy zapping and time wasting. But a nice synastry mix with pluto, scorpio and 8th house contacts/energy can make for some of the most profound, beautiful and lifelong connections.
I completely agree with you 110%! This guy that I've been having an on and off relationship with has many of these characteristics. In our composite chart, pluto is almost exactly on the ascendant off by one degree. I gotta tell you, a lot of pain and a lot of attraction is in our relationship.
+Karaoke4159 Thanks for sharing, Karaoke4159. I'm a firm believer in tight orbs. I think they are very significant, especially in relationship astrology.
I have Pluto in the 8th House as well as Mars and my Sun. I also have Scorpio Moon in Midheaven. I was raised by a mother who also has Pluto in the 8th house Jupiter and Mars. She was a rageaholic who beat me to a pulp, verbally abused me , belittled me, shamed me, blamed me and everyone else for everything in her life. My story is I only get in relationships with addicts they are my Persephone.. This is actually a theme in both my Mom's side of the family and my Dad's side of the family..We are bunch of Plutonians..I always thought my whole family was cursed with all the addictions, infidelities, domestic violence, lies, manipulation, etc, etc,etc..Scary stuff here folks
+Sabrina Dacosta You should think about telling your story in my group and posting your chart so you can have your questions answered by supportive people and be part of a community who understands and does not judge. We have many Plutonicly inclined friends there. There is always a chance for healing, friend.
+Sabrina Dacosta Thanks for sharing, Sabrina. The 8th house really is fascinating. Death, taxes, inheritance and the mining/processing of precious materials from the earth ... as we always hear. As for the "inheritance" part, well, that can work on different levels. I find the issues of genetic inheritance and the inheritance of psychological states and ways of being to be far more interesting than actual monetary inheritance as we typically think of "inheritance". And when I hear that the 8th house is connected with mining, extraction and processing of precious metals from the earth - I automatically think of ... Alchemy. The 8th house is the house of psychological inheritance and spiritual alchemical processes, methinks. So often it seems that when someone has a heavy 8th house ... that individual goes through alchemical processes and transmutations - in order to extract Soul Gold and to purify him/herself from the inherited psyche-ological gunk from the parents or environment s/he grew up in. All the more interesting that when we read about famous/semi-famous people who inherited huge amounts of money - so often we find that they grew up in an environment that was like a psychological battlefield as well (addictions, physical and sexual abuse seem to be the norm here)... and they are usually faced with the choice of living with this "inheritance" as a part of their being ... or transmuting, alchemically, into something beyond that ... something that has "evolved" past those genes and that DNA material - at the psyche-ological level. Again, thanks for sharing.
Angela Payne wow...I like the way you looked at the psychological and genetic inheritance. I am sun and mercury in 8th house and i am definitely always going through an alchemical transmutation. As a matter of fact, alchemy is my mantra for 2018. Thank you for your comment and sharing
Dear Jewel, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to teach me and others so much about astrology. You’re my #1 source of information. I want to ask you how would having Hades exactly on my Descendant (opp Ascendant) be interpreted? I can’t find anything about it online. Thank you.
So I'm in a confusing relationship. I'm supposed to be pluto but I feel like Persophine. He's somewhat older and he's very plutonic in his birth chart. I'm slightly plutonic, I think. We have moon opposition pluto, I'm pluto, we have venus sextile pluto, I'm pluto, and we have north node opposition pluto and I'm pluto. If you want to increase the orb, we have venus-pluto square and mars-pluto square in which he is pluto, but that's more than 8 degrees and less than 10. But him being the pluto could also be because I have a whole stellium in his eighth house, my mars, sun, neptune and uranus, and even juno is in his eighth house and his pluto is in his eighth house too. This relationship is also very neptunian, we have a venus-neptune conjunction in which I am the neptune, I'm also neptunian in my chart so maybe even if I am the pluto, because he sees me as ideal, he doesn't want to let me go? Our time together feels outerworldly, they're absolutely beautiful actually. There's definitely jealousy and this strong fear of losing one another and from my part, fear of not being physically appealing enough and I hardly have any idea where it comes from. Maybe the neptunian energy makes me want to be all that he ever wanted? A man has never made me feel this way but I've tried leaving three times, but he won't let me go and I keep on being reeled back in because I want him just as much. Any insight?
+Mystical Chaos I'm a woman who has strong Pluto conjunctions in my natal (to Sun and Venus, but especially Venus). My life has been a kind of Persephone experience.
When there are a large number of connections between two charts, how do you distinguish a plutonic relationship from others? For instance, one couple I know in their composite has a total of 7 pluto aspects to sun, mercury, venus, outer planets, lilith and ascendant with an even divide of hard/harmonious aspects and one conjunction. They have MORE contacts with Jupiter (8) also hitting similar areas and better aspected , and the same number of contacts (6) with each of the sun, moon, venus, mercury, and uranus. The synastry chart is chock full of double whammys in these, and other, areas. Does this still count as a plutonic relationship?
My natal moon is opposite Pluto. Naturally, most people around my age have their Pluto opposite my moon. Lots of moon opposite Pluto lessons for me. I do think I’m learning, confronting, growing. Neptune isn’t too involved but: 1.) Natal Pluto is in 12 (with moon in 6- I feel a need to service for love. In Gemini so I can be very verbally manipulative. Using intellect for emotions to get the “love” and “care” I crave. Hard one to break, learned in childhood.) 2.) I am a Pisces, I embody Neptune. Pisces intercepted in the 3rd. Steps to growth, steps to growth.
Jewel, I have moon, sun, Mercury and Jupiter trine Pluto in a composite with someone, can it go as damaging and dangerous as having sun, Venus square Pluto and Mars inconjunct Pluto in composite? Or is it better? :)
Hi.its the 1st time i saw a video of yours.i got here cause i got involved with someone whos pluto opose my moon and my pluto sq his sun. In composite we have sun/venus cj in 10th sq pluto 1st. I gotta say im feeling the atraction,intense,srrong pull. I stopped it but i seem not to able to forget and he been trying also. How can we see if its only pluto or love?
Hey Jewel I have Mars conjunct Pluto (and in the sign of scorpio) in a composite chart with someone I'm seeing now. This is very sexual and feels somewhat addictive. Does this make sense?
Jewel, if it is possible for you, please explain to us how it would be a couple dynamics that both have challenging pluto ... this has been very difficult to find information, and thanks God, you are the only one in the whole network that explains this subject very well !! For example a connection in which pluto is in the descending of the composite, but in the charts of the synastry we can observe pluto of both envolving a dominant form defying the luminaries The lunar person has a conjunction of the moon with Pluto in the 4th house and this conjunction squares another one sun, mercury, venus and rising .... As you have explained in other videos, Pluto has the greater hand in this dynamics, but the person with stellium of personal planets also has pluto squaring those planets (9th almost Midheaven Pluto) Could we assume that this person would bring consciousness to 4th Pluto but in the midst a great of pain ?! Because the lunar person as you said it is accustomed to deal with pain ... and the solar person is accustomed to happiness ... maybe the lesson is both balancing between pain and happiness ?! both have mercury square pluto the natal and composite charts, so both have difficulty changing their minds, one accepting the pain of the other and the other accepting the happiness of the other ?!
I met this guy has Pluto in Scorpio opposite Venus, Mars opposite Neptune, and Mars trine Pluto. Our composite chart has Venus trine Pluto, however on our synastry my sun Mars conjunction square his Pluto, and my Jupiter square his Pluto. It was a nightmare and I wish I had never met him. Luckily I left the moment I felt upset with his plutonic power.
How do I know who is the pluto person? In a synastry chart his pluto touches my moon and sun in a trine among other pluto contacts but between the outer planets and the north node.I have both these aspects in my natal chart he also has this aspect but as a sextile only to his sun. My pluto squares his mars, which he has in his own natal. We have a bunch of double whammies in our synastry chart and natal charts. I dont know his birth time. We have a total of 4 pluto aspects each in synastry, but his touches my personal planets more. But Im a plutonic person myself. I have scorpio ascending and plutoRx in the first house along with my plutonian trines Plus: I met him when he was (still is) going through a Pluto conjunct his venus transit (he's been having this transit a while like almost two years it'll be over in february), I felt attraction when I first met him but not so intense and out of nowhere I was drawn to him like a magnet and it was when pluto started to retrograde. I know and feel like I like him more than he likes me. We didnt enter the relationship but I cant seem to forget him, could it be the retrograde pulling me in? He just withdrew out of nowhere and it sucks because I feel like IM THE ONE going through the venus/pluto transit. I feel like Im the one being transformed. I recognized the ugly side of me he brought up and suppressed fears (stuff i buried long ago) that I had to go to therapy. He was a catalyst for me getting help to work out my issues to get better and I feel changed but why is he still in my head!!!! HELP!!!! He's not coming back so why cant I move one?!!!!
How many Pluto hard aspects is too much? I'm looking at my friend and her husband's composite and they have Pluto square Venus, Mars & Jupiter. Married for 2+yrs and seem happy... at least my friend seems happy.
What if the hard Pluto contacts are seen for both sides/partners? I’m still learning but my Pluto squares his Sun. And his Pluto squares my Saturn and Lilith. Thank you ❤ It’s just supposed to be friends with benefits but the chemistry and tension has been there since day 1. We also have nice aspects like Venus sextile NN, Asc trine Sun, as well as both a trine/sextile with Venus and Jupiter
I love love love your videos... I have my own mercury exact inconjunct pluto in scorpio n my sun opposing it and i keep attracting plutonic relationships. i was single for 2 years and now i met a guy and we are seemingly soo innocent but both our plutos make exact squares to both our ascendants. I feel like maybe i should break it off before its too late because its sooo true what u say, pluto can swallow all the other nice things and in the end u end up with.... ???
Jewel I agree with you *hard aspects* this guy has Pluto squaring his Saturn and this guys Pluto is conjunct my venus and in my 1st house and he is very dictating towards who I date and saying he wants to possess me and protect me and he isnt in a relationship with me! So I understand completely and his Mars is in my 1st house so alot of energy going towards my 1st house.
Hi, Jewel. Does having having a difficult aspect between Hades and Persephone in a composite or synastry chart also count as, well, difficult as you've said?
Sarah michelle gellar and Freddie Prinze JR her husband have Venus opposite Pluto and other plutonic aspects and they are together, married and happy since, 18 years maybe and Celine Dion and René had hard Plutonic aspects too so... I think we can find balance between the judgement of Pluto and the idealization of it lol But i think that we must be careful with hard aspects between Mars and Pluto ( very bad in my pov AND experience) but yeah, in the relationships where i suffered too much, i always had hard aspects between my Venus and the Pluto person ; or / and, my Moon and the Pluto person but also hard aspects between my Venus and the sun person. Now i had for once my pluton square a Venus person and he left and i'm sad and feel like, i have to keep him, like, i need him so doesn't matter if i'm the pluto or venus person, i suffer ! Lol but, i suffer less being the pluto person in my pov. Just once, i had my venus square a pluto's guy and her venus conjunct my pluto and i was not so much in love with him, just a dependency, and not to hard to break up so it depends on a lot of things and aspects/transits etc
Jewel, oh my gods, I need to have a reading done by you. There is a relationship in my life that has a composite sun, moon, venus, pluto conjunction in the 6th house in Scorpio. 😳😭
Hi there, i am very plutonic and saturnian with relationships with pluto conjunct saturn in my 7th house, with mars square both, neptune sextile pluto and moon trine pluto. my relationships have been heavily plutonic but i have alternated being the pluto person and the persephone person. As a female i have been in both roles equally. Is it possible for a plutonic relationship be nice and successful and happy?
Female here who thinks this is often spoken about in a too black and white way. I think there's a lot to say about personal growth and the natal chart. That stuff is all touched on in this video
Help idk what to do anymore I have mars square pluto/ sun square pluto/ Mercury square pluto/ Venus square pluto with this person in composite chart. The relationship never last but we always comeback to each other. It’s been 5-7 years already. I can’t let go of this addiction .
You don't react as strongly to certain stimuli, although describe evolved. We all have unconscious material hidden and rotting and snapping at us from below like wild dogs. We can't see it or hear it or smell it, but it's the invisible driver of our lives.
I agree is prefer a video on this aspect when both are doing inner work and have so for many years. I love my Pluto relationship and it has been the most touching and powerful one of my life. I’m the Pluto person and where I can see some of these dynamics they are so light and not intense. Just patterns to observe and then respond to.
We have: My Proserpina conjunct his Mercury in Scorpio,my Pluto conjunct his Proserpina in Virgo,my Hades in Taurus opposite his mercury in Scorpio,his Hades in Aries square my Mars in Capricorn,my aqua moon cj his NN/Persephone, And my Venus opposed his Moon/Pluto in Cancer in 7th. Together for 24 years and I still don't see who is the Persephone person and who is the Pluto (He's a scorpio sun, cap asc, I'm Sag sun,sag asc) We're enmeshed
I wouldn't say you have been too hard it does seem like you a don't like the Pluto person. They are not in control. I have been in both positions in this relationship. The Pluto person in a Venus opposition, the sun/mercury person in a conjunction and the MC person in a sq. People may not like this but I can say that both parties get hurt, though I must say, it is actually probably a little easier being the non Pluto person, or at least when you realise the charts and that's who you are. Thanks for these videos they are so specific, which is exactly what someone needs in a Pluto obsession/relationship. :)
Both my parents have significant plutonic influence. My mother being a plutonic solar Leo and my father being a plutonic lunar Leo. They are separated. And spent most of my childhood distanced from each other. I e experienced plenty of harsh physical and emotional "discipline" from them. On me. I'm an 8th house Aries. Putting my Leo in the 12th. My Pluto is cusped the 3rd house in Scorpio. I also have Saturn and south node there opposite my Mars.
I'm forced to leave my family. Even tho I'm not really well equipped to survive on my own. I got a lunar Pisces. And all of my personal planets are all 7th, 8th, and 9th houses. I've always experienced harshness within the family. Being beaten up by brothers etc... Not to mention that I adopted my fathers south node and the mojority of my influence all reside in Pisces. Aries and Taurus. The only three signs my mother has no planetary influence at all.
So i feel like I'm nothing but the extension of my mother in some vain attempt to complete her own chart. I've never known healthy support. Just the dictation of how to be. I really despise Leo's and the planet Pluto.
I have realized this. When you generationally have pluto with your personal planets which means most people's planets touch your that planet/s, I feel like you feel sort of intimidated by your generation which could lead to you when you get older to date other generations to work out your pluto out meaning you would attempt to apply the power you have that was taken away from you on this new generation if their sun/moon/asc/venus/mars touch your pluto. That doesn't mean you'll always be dating those that are older/younger than you though. You might be dating someone from your generation but you have to see whether or not the composite chart also has pluto.
im scorp asc and my pluto is sag but im always attracted to pluto in scorpio generation, bonus points if they have other scorpio placements. feels like were from the same tribe.
I have to say the earlier video described my mother’s and ex-husband’s relationship to me. And according to the charts i feel obsessed for a man and am the “Pluto person”! So i better pay attention! Ok - so its my Pluto sextile his Merc and Saturn and quintile his venus, our combined sun and Pluto are conjunct, and he’s dealing with a 90 degree square his Pluto to Venus...
What happens when a Pluto heavy natal person gets into a Plutonic relationship from the other side? i.e. their personal planets are contacted by another's Pluto but they themselves have strong Pluto in their chart
My partner has pluto conjunct my Asc syynastry and composite However in my birth chart I have Sun venus and mercury in house 8 And a venus pluto square And a mercury pluto square I experience the pluto conjunct my ascendant relationship as very passionate and intense and painful... However because I am familiar with 8th house themes I am possibly more tolerant of the pain and toxicity of the relationship I get the impression I am mis using my strength on prolonging this relationship... And my innate obsessive mind and love for passion makes it harder to move on because I am highly drawn to the power of pluto person Pluto person is still attractive and enticing to me although I perceive there manipulative tactics...I too recognize I have practiced many of those exact manipulative tactics which makes it harder for Pluto person to break me down... This creates power struggles and a competitive game like interaction on my behalf...to not lose to not break...to resist... Even after finally being broken down by pluto person getting me pregnant with my 1st kid then having a miscarriage the emotions of that happening on top of the already toxic relationship broke me down to a point of...my lowest But even at that point I showed tremendous resilience and grace.... Pluto person credited me on being invincible and stated he loved me because of my strength....I asked how do you know I'm strong...pluto person replied because you can handle me! I am not angry at pluto person...no matter how painful our interactions a part of me understands pluto and that just as all my 8th house planets make me strong naturally that pluto person does as well which I know is making me even stronger I accept Pluto's challenges graciously and have made a conscious decision to learn from pluto as opposed to try to change pluto to transform from Pluto's teachings So in conclusion having a pluto themed natal chart makes me pursue the relationship fearlessly and with an open mind to grow from it...although it can be toxic...I feel qualified to endure this relationship longer than I should
@@joannaharris1759 Yes I feel this too..the sense that the both of you know, even unconsciously that there's power on both sides - although my power is hidden in the dark. What you say about choosing consciously to work with the Pluto in spite of the pain because of an innate understanding, really resonated with me. But I know I will have to walk away soon. They deny the power of the connection + the depth of it, so that I am always holding it up to the light.
maybe you haven't heard enough feminist comments because there is more to feminism than we both men and women think; and we easily consider ourselves as feminists when in reality we are not. thank you for your videos you are definitely one of my fav feminists!!!
How do you question whats in the stars? How do you question fate? Time is a human construct, and has no meaning in spiritual development. A Plutonic relationship, for better or worse should run its course, or, if you believe in reincarnation, or karma you could wind up repeating this pattern in your next incarnation. I think it would be wiser to learn about the plutonian aspects and be aware of what the possibilities are. The very good, and the very bad. Perhaps, that is the purpose of these types of relationships. Everything happens for a reason right?
Its telling that men were offended by the segment before this one. I had a platonic relationship with my mother. It's not always men controlling women in these relationships.
Dallas Duchess I'm curious about this too. Pluto was in Libra from 71-84 (I believe) so any man in my age range would have a similar Pluto position to me. Maybe the house it's in carries more weight than the sign.
I know a couple that is happily married since many years. They have a Pluto-Moon square. Both are very conscious people and communicate well, so they don‘t suffer at all with this aspect. They are super loving and respectful with each other
My only issue with discussing abuse when it comes to astrology is that people over emphasize the synastry aspects, when the natal ones are far more telling. Sure, certain aspects can bring out our more negative traits, but a square or opposition to Pluto is not going to turn a nice guy into an abusive one, and we can very easily fall down the slippery slope of victim blaming. While I agree with most of your Pluto takes, I don't think people coming to you to agree with you is really any kind of confirmation of the accuracy, it just shows that you have devoted followers who are attracted to your content, which many people have, even astrologers you may strongly disagree with.
Im a male ,but im also a female energy too..so for me i can see why somebody would reflect that your topics are onecsided,but thats because they dont know them selfs.
I have sun conjunct pluto with Mr. Scorpio double whammy. He abandoned me emotionally for someone else, moved out of state but is still stuck on having sexual relations with me. I had to let him go and I cry every day for him, it’s destroying my life
Jennivere Gospic we both share this aspect his sun conjunct my Pluto my sun conjunct his Pluto. But when I decreased the orbs, they’re stronger I am the Pluto person and he is the Sun..
Xena Chanel I’ve observed with Pluto and luminaries, the one who feels it more could go either way. Sometimes it is the Pluto person in this case, but it can also be the sun person? I’ve seen that too? It is commonly known that the Pluto person is obsessed with the suns light wanting more of it and that has been true in some of my experiences. But sometimes the sun is also spellbound by the Pluto person. It can go either way. I think it be good to look at other aspects like if there’s connection to personal planets, house placement especially the water houses, moons nodes vertex BLM ascendant descendant IC MC etc and composite charts will shed an overall light on the relationship too
You’re always saying something is rare. Astrology isn’t the tell all be all. Anyone can make anything work if that’s what they want to do. Not because someone’s Pluto is conjunct someone’s moon 🙄
Lol my sun is saggitarious my generation is a Pluto saggitarious, I myself have a mercury conjunct pluto (1 degree orb) and my sun conjunct pluto (but 8 degree orb) Sooo therefore I have my sun and mercury conjunct everyone's pluto who's my generation Nice 🙃
I'm planning to go to the therapy 6 months later, I wanted it for a long time though🤔 but I feel I really need this and that I couldn't stay fine without it btw I have venus conjunct neptune and saturn in the 8th house 🙈🙉🤧
No.everything about Pluto is mostly abusing, heartless ppl,they feed on a primal forces,want to tear you down as much as they can in their games. Its abuse on sight, doomed ppl you can detect them they're like demons from hell..very bad energy.
i respect your interpretation but it also is kind of doom and gloom. telling people to just walk away isn’t that easy. otherwise, why is there plutonic connections in the first place?? there are people who just have plutonic/scorpionic/8th house heavy charts that don’t necessarily need to escape it. the energy is there for a reason and often times it’s karmic. the need to purge and let go of your former self(lves) usually is the case. you’re meant to learn about power and control - not power and control of another person but about your own. men naturally want to dominate everything BUT themselves. they always want a mommy at the end of the day. maybe we can get away from this outdated heteronormative perspective one day.
The best thing a Pluto person needs to learn is to let go. Trying to manipulate somebody into an all consuming relationship they really don't want will not give you what you are seeking. Even if the other person chooses to stick around, they will only be there in body, not in spirit. And, you want the entire person. But, just understand they won't or can't give it to you. Admit that this is something you yourself can do, but its not something everybody is capable of. If you are Hades and your Persephone is not reciprocating, she actually isn't your Persephone, because the mythological Persephone chose to stay in the underworld and actually fought for undivided affection of her husband. Let go.
Kasidis Supongthorn I think both of you should stay away from each other bc the squares are difficult aspects and a venus square pluto can lead to abuse, including physical abuse. Pay attention to what she is saying in the video, the trine and sextile are easy aspects while the squares, quincux and conjunctions can be difficult.
@@bestforyouall I think it is better to stay and observe what happened. Astrology is complex, even synastry is more complex. We never know if square could abuse. House overlay in synastry should be taken into consideration, especially in natal too.
Is it possible that Pluto person would not feel this countact? I have moon square Pluto and Venus conjunct pluto in synastry with a guy I was seeing..we are separated at the moment, I am the personal planet he’s pluto. He acts like he’s not bothered when I finished the relationship yet in the beginning before he asked for my number he was stalking me...is it possible that he’s not interested or is this part of his power game? I’m
Trying to figure this out...
@@henrietadale5079 did you figure out at the end? I am seeing someone. His Pluto in Libra is conjunct my Venus in Libra, 7 house, not sure if I should go on or not. I hope you are well!
@@astralspice5 hi, with that particular relationship I had to let go as he was not allowing to bond and I’m scorpio Venus!!!! So merging is a must. I have however new relationship with same aspects. Plus his Scorpio moon conjunct my Venus and mercury also pluto conjunct my Venus and squaring my moon and this is a very deep and loving feeling. We simply cannot separate. It’s very deep and loving so I would say that it’s depending on other supporting aspects. I wish you all the best and if you are a little scorpionic then you will love it!!!! All the very best ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Jewel you have *not been too *hard on Plutonic relationships...you've been too *accurate.
+Victoria TeBeest I thank you for that, friend.
+Victoria TeBeest , totally agree with you. Unfortunally, I will only get involved with this type of relationships as in my natal chart my venus is square pluto (I am Taurus ascendant) and there are pluto generation that will make this square to my venus. Very obsessive with me, funny is I don't care that much of them being like but at the same time I do care, I have a grand-trine of venus/moon/Uranus, look the Uranus here wanting to be free spirit.
Victoria TeBeest EXACTLY! No surprise to hear men have issue with the videos, That's the story of Pluto incarnated. I have some difficult aspects to pluto in my birth chart, which has really transformed me. I can't handle anymore crazy, obsessive stalkers, so I refuse plutonic relationships all together now, I don't care how exciting and passionate. My sun conjucts lilith and my vertex, square to pluto. Ceres is on my moon 10° apart in same sign/5th house as my sun/lilith (moon hold lowest degrees.) Lilith is in the 9th, 8th house too.
Anyway, It's so clear to me now why ppl love or hate me. Jewel, these videos (especially pluto and lilith, obviously!) CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH 🙇 I cry a lot when I'm learning bc it's soooo true.
*My parents composite chart and synastry is wild*. No wonder my mother HATED men...anyway they have composite pluto venus conjuction. Opposing junos in synastry, both at EXACTLY at 29°!!!! What's more interesting to me, is that my Leo ascendant degree falls right in between the venus pluto composite conjuction! I am litterally their *karmic love child!* They are extremely TOXIC ppl, especially to eachother, eachothers pets, belongings... and then made ME the scape goat. My childhood was filled with malice, neglect, rejection, abuse and abandonment. I legally divorced them thru emancipation halfway thru high school. My chart is insane with enormous will power, no one gets me even though they think they have me figured out. I refuse to do FB, too invasive, I already have stalker problems. FB gives me anxiety (I suffer ptsd and constant panic attacks that's what lead me to astrology bc no therapists could help me. I don't relate to anyone bc I have been to the underworld, I came from the underworld and escaped. (my emancipation actually happened EXACTLY 18 years after I was conceived...)
There's a major power punch, in my chart, with a pluto/saturn, mars, north node trine. Point of fortune in my ascendant, close degree. All my energy is channeled through my north node and ascendant, it's wild and can definitely be explosive. Juno conjuct venus, too. Its really powerful for better or worse, luckily these videos have helped me understand myself so much and how important North Node in the 11th, and how to use it positively and to my advantage again, as i innately did in my youth when i was just sweet and painfully shy. Seriously, that's what is written in all my yearbooks, "you're so sweet" So naturally, I cut my hair and got two facial piercings when I was finally free of the prison that was supposed to be "home" to give me an edge. lol, I don't think that helped haha, I should stick with being SWEET (sun neptune aspect) bc ppl see whatever they want in me and it's so different, I'm litterally a mirror to others. (it works both ways I'm learning, so amazing to come out of the fog)
(i am not a feminist btw, i LOVE MEN...like a lot! 😏 (Saturn squared venus, w/ lilith sun- yeah, women hate me, so it's easier with men, except every close male friend eventually "falls in love" with me and spoils the friendship, then THEY hate me too.) Anyway, instead of hating everyone for hating me, I have been learning astrology and even about MGTOW (men going their own way) and the book of Zed, (I'm raising a son and need/want to understand, my dad was never around growing up, I moved all the time and no brothers. If you want to understand Men and their collective modern motives, I HIGHLY recommend free book online "Zed the zen priest."
And yes, it's true, my sun pluto square, I never would have trusted an astrologer. Lol, I died laughing at the impression in the video of a sun squared pluto person, NAILED IT
actually, I'm thinking about making a fluff FB account, bc guys have told me they think it sexy and mysterious that I DON'T HAVE A DAMN ACCOUNT. ahhhh, lol, I can't win. I really REALLY do not want FB. I LOVE that no one can find me online. lol, my name is actually J. Smith too, so that's perfect for me 😆
I disagree. I have a plutonic relationship and it’s positive. But i agree that it can be truly toxic.
This is your exact video that saved my Life is every possible way because you helped me finally get out of the most toxic abusive relationship I could ever think of. Thank you
U r a threat to these sick abusive neacsasistic monsters ! Keep on doing these vids they can save lives thank you Bless u 🙏💕🌟
Well, Jewel, as a woman who has natal Sun conjunct Pluto by less than a degree and Venus conjunct Pluto by less than half a degree ... I think your Pluto videos are quite excellent. The Persephone myth is a great key to understanding this Plutonian psychological terrain (or, rather, sub-terrain). It's cool to me that this video was published on my birthday!
Same. Sun/Pluto 0° conjunct cazimi. Pluto also conjunct Saturn and Mercury. Pluto semisquare Mars/Venus and sextile Neptune.
I have strong Pluto, Scorpio and BML. I've found that researching co-dependency and setting boundaries is freeing me of these toxic relationships. But love as I knew it had to die. That in itself was very painful. I mourned the death of love and now it is being reborn. It's been about a 2 year process so far. Now I choose love for myself over love of another. Still single and willing to wait until I fully know my worth.
CharChar I am on this journey now. Letting the old concept of love die is difficult because to me it has been painful, intense, etc. (Pluto opp Venus natal), 8th house. I feel like I AM dying. It is a difficult process. Not in a full-fledged relationship but on the edge of one. Trying not to jump in.
Im a male that completely and whole heartily experienced a Plutonic relationship..and your explanations were eerily on point! It was intense in my experience as well as my ex-girlfriend. What I saw is a Venus square Pluto in her chart and a Venus moon conjunction in the Synastry. I have too study more of the Aspects..but I just want to say as a man..no you are not at all exaggerating from a feminist perspective..the power in a relationship like this is real.
TheGentlemanApollo I've read a Venus square Pluto is a sign of unrequited love, and so they become intense and manipulative to get or hold onto the love they fear they will lose. I'm sorry about your experience.
aquarius star72 Yes it absolutely was a unrequited love experience! Thank you for your sympathy. The positive is it gives strength and great transformation to self worth and love relating going forward. I decided to be grateful 😊
TheGentlemanApollo so both of you have Pluto Venus square in synastry or in an individual chart or both?
TheGentlemanApollo did you ever study the aspects more? I have had a couple Pluto/moon conjunctions... one where I was the moon and the other where I was a Pluto. I’m talking exact degree. It seemed more impossible as the moon person to let go of the Pluto person. As the Pluto person, I never obsessive about the moon person, but I never really let go either. The attraction always remained but there is awareness that it would never be a long term deal. So it was easy to accept him as is, as a friend.
@@aquariusstar7248 bunny boiler placement for sure 🥺 I have it in my chart it's annoying for sure
I have my moon ( scorpio) conjunct my Husband's Pluto and my Husband has his moon ( scorpio) conjunct my Pluto ... so I feel Hades and Persephone at the same time ... I feel more Hades than Persephone though .. but I believe that's because I did 5 years of deep inner-work and I processed alot of my childhood trauma ... so now Im slowly pushing him to do the same so we can both be the authentic healed version of ourselves.
I don't feel like you're being too hard on anyone. I've recently realized I have sort of emotional obsession with another person so when I saw your video series it pretty well described everything I've been doing. For the longest time I didn't know that's what was happening with me and I was glad to have found information regarding this so that I can heal these parts of myself. Thank you for your insight and wisdom on this subject.
Dont mind those people. You are just honest and realistic
+Tara Djokic I appreciate that. If my business were called “Comforting Lies In Aspect Astrology” I would be more popular.
Dating my ex with strong plutonic energies was like entering Silent Hill (the videogame), I don’t mean that as a joke that’s what it felt like. It was so beautiful and so ugly
They're a stalkers,liars,manipulators, abusive personalities. They wouldn't help you even if they see you dying in front of their eyes.Enough of that.
I got into a Plutonic relationship with a guy when I was at University. I thought he was my soulmate, I was obsessed with him, couldn't get enough of him, we had breakups, make-ups, all with great intensity, but after a while it went bad. I couldn't stand living life on a rollercoaster, he became abusive and controlling. Fortunately I was able to walk away. Plutonic relationships may be OK for those who want a life of drama, but that wasn't me. I have since avoided them !
Some people need the drama 💀
It's not drama. It's transformation, soul-merging in a ever changing infinity loop. People forgot that Pluto role in synastry is to show ourselves the part in us that has been denied, shunned away. It forces US to recognize and become one of our shadow. The key is Pluto shows US hard working road that leads US to who we really are. You don't leave the Pluto person. We married ourselves. Once we acknowledge and try to become one of our shadow through the hard-road, you only want to be closer to Pluto. Pluto can be the light and he can be very bright. A bright Hades.
Yeah, it's not drama or the need of it. And unless you have/are familiar with Pluto/Scorpio/8th house energy and intensity, you'll not understand it. It's not for the mellow or shallow. This energy is here to transform, bring growth, profound connections, shifts. Other energies have their purposes. Not about drama. "Drama" happens to be associated with these people/energies/connections because it's not the lah-di-dah, everything's dandy and rose-coloured and no one ever evolves in anyway, just cruise along in our comfort zones types of partnerships. I can experience no other connection, romance-wise, they seem pointless, brother-and-sister-esque and purely platonic.@@manicpepsicola3431
@@angelsub9184AGREED and PLUTO IS FORCING YOU TO CHANGE and Change is painful as hell so you got to let it go the hate the rage to give place to love and sometimes hate is comfortable we like it cause we know it but love is more difficult to give TRUST ME
Not abusive but passionate??? Controlling, emotional withdrawal, delaying responses to text or phone calls, leaving town every week. Punishing me for not giving him enough praise for putting in new counter tops in my kitchen I finally had enough when I hadn't heard from him the week before my surgery. He finally text me good morning that day. I didn't respond. I didn't hear from him again for 2 days asking how it went. My friend packed up his tools and brought them back. Haven't heard from him since. Seeing him drive by my office though but I think he knows I'm done. No more "passionate" relationships for me. This Neptunium empath has had enough!
+Gina Menard Good for you! You go!!
Which Plutonic aspects do you have with this person? Thanks
Perhaps the reason for such a reaction from many of the male viewers to your videos on this type of relationship is because the relationship our current society has with its individual members, particularly women, is a Plutonic one in itself. the eductaional system that controls and forces children to lose and erase who they really are, the 9-to-5 meaningless job rat-race existence, etc. We are living in a society modeled on the Pluto-Persephone dynamic and it is the norm so no one questions it. Anyone who does is blamed and shamed for it so the status quo is maintained.
brilliance!!!!
Thank you, your comment really made me think.
they hate being called out and you say it like it is, you’re doing amazing
"Is this how you want to spend your time though..." Plutonian me: 💯%🖤
What else do you want to live for? How do you want to spend your time? Working, shopping, eating, pooping, sleeping, repeating? What is the point of life unless there is passion, depth, transformation. growth, profound soul connection and intense passionate and compassionate LOVE. That is more satisfying than any 5star meal, or designer whatever. What's the point in a beautiful sunset unless you have your soulmate to share it with. How else would you want to spend your time?
True transformation always … it’s hard tho but worth it !
I love how you said that the tremendous passion of this relationship is just "misplaced passion" and that can easily clarify what's going on in Plutonic relationships! 👏👏👏 gosh you're the best relationship Astrologer Jewel! 💟💟💟 Thank you so much as always! 😊
That video was my exact relationship. I’m a gay male. I’m a Libra sun and libra rising with Pluto in libra. I dated a libra male, with a Scorpio moon and mercury, and he also had Aries rising mars in Aries and Aries north node. It was a nightmare. He was an alcoholic , a sex addict, liar and cheater. But everything looked amazing. Once it ended I blocked him and he tried several times to reconnect. But I couldn’t even text this person ever again. I don’t even want to run into him in nyc. And i have Pluto conjunct Saturn in my first house. But omg I love who I’m becoming! So you video was sooooooooooooooooooooooo on point.
Jewell, always coming through with the piping hot tea!! Thanks, girl
10 years on from the end of the Pluto relationship I had (moon square Pluto synastry) and my ex gets in touch (he's Pluto) again and again...it hurts all over again...nothing has changed...he still plays the same tune...me too.
Oh my god....so difficult to break...spot on Jewel!!! Even if you don't want that person, they find a way to always hook you in..even though you hate them. My Pluto ex was abusive.
Although I'm not the Pluto person in the synastry...I am Plutonic in my chart...so it's confusing.
I m at the beginning of a plutonic relationship and i could feel the intensity from miles away. I even rejected him at the first place because I was scared as hell of what this could be as i'm much older than him... I'm actually the pluto person in this relationship even if his pluto also cunjunct my venus i have more contact with my pluto to his venus, moon, mars and uranus... Hard aspects in venus (cunj and opposition) and square with uranus. easy aspect with moon and mars. We also have a putonic theme in our composite 😥 we have beautiful aspects too but also a lot of neptunian aspects omg!!! It feels so good when we are together but as soon as we are separated it's horrible and i feel super unsafe.. I 'm quite aware of my psychological wounds though and i try to acknowledge them when they come up and also try to explain to him what is going on as we have good communication skills due to some mercurian and moon aspects too that allow us to share our emotions deeply. But i'm really confused and overwhelmed by this relationship. I was not expecting this type of relationship to manifest in my life. I was searching for a peaceful type of soulmate realationship where you feel at home with eachother. I really don't understand why this has manifested in my life as i thought i did the work for attracting a healthy relationship... I can't believe i'm in it! 🤦♀️
Same girl in the same year I’ve attracted 4 scorpio one after another one was scorpio sun and mars and the another scorpio sun and Venus I don’t know the other cause we cut short only one of them “stayed” even thought we gone thru drama and separated I still love this guy smh , it’s hard cause my libra sun heart is in pain each damn time
Libra sun - scorpio Mars conjuct Pluto in ♏️ - scorpio MC - Scorpio Venus
In my situation what helped me on the way out was seeing something really exiting that was waiting for me and I could do that by myself. It promised ( and delivered ) challenge, growth, freedom from feeling that my life being wasted. Being in Plutonic space corrupts your soul by making somebody else responsible for your decisions and this what really makes you handicapped and requires time for recover your free will, learn to make qualified decisions and ability to be responsible for results. Actually, Pluto is indicator of corruption and I saw a lot of that in different interpretations (Pluto conjunct Ketu). Thank you, Jewel. I see clear now.
This is so interesting and true. I have been on both sides of the relationship, most recently, I was 'out-Plutoed' by my husband, whom we are separated. He had about 5 planets in his eighth house and Scorpio and Pluto on the Asc. I am still reeling from it but learning to grow in ways I didn't know existed.
„It‘s like quit drinking while you are drinking.“ Great quote. You put it in a nutshell.
Thanks for the videos btw. They're excellent.
This is SUCH a valuable video. Thank you!
Ok but I love your hair Jewel, it always looks so silky and the color is pretty tbh 💓
Was in an awful Plutonian relationship with a Scorpio Mars man who had his moon in my 8th house and I had my sun, moon, chiron, mercury in his 12th, with his Saturn in my 12th. We had a Pluto trine Mars and a Venus opposite Pluto and I had Saturn aspects against his sun (and other planets) for instance. Horrible toxic relationship where all we did was be disgustingly awful to each other. He wound up finally leaving me when I hurt his ego so badly he couldn’t face me. I can tell he’s still attached me to and I’ve moved on. I never understood the hold he had on me and why I couldn’t walk away. It was heartbreaking and I couldn’t let go. I was glad when it finally ended because it literally felt like the end of the world for me. Every awful insecurity I’ve ever had about myself came to the surface in being with him. I’m certain it was a karmic relationship. So relieved it’s over.
Wonderful as always Jewel!💚
same to me. Very nice topic and well explained!
great your video, your knowledge that you're sharing, thank you!
I do love your videos, you're very good and you're right, if it becomes something toxic then for sure that's energy zapping and time wasting. But a nice synastry mix with pluto, scorpio and 8th house contacts/energy can make for some of the most profound, beautiful and lifelong connections.
i was in a Pluto rship recently and its mostly spot on including the lessons
Very wise advise like always. Thank you so much
I completely agree with you 110%! This guy that I've been having an on and off relationship with has many of these characteristics. In our composite chart, pluto is almost exactly on the ascendant off by one degree. I gotta tell you, a lot of pain and a lot of attraction is in our relationship.
+Karaoke4159 Thanks for sharing, Karaoke4159. I'm a firm believer in tight orbs. I think they are very significant, especially in relationship astrology.
Nailed it. Thanks Jewel.
I have Pluto in the 8th House as well as Mars and my Sun. I also have Scorpio Moon in Midheaven. I was raised by a mother who also has Pluto in the 8th house Jupiter and Mars. She was a rageaholic who beat me to a pulp, verbally abused me , belittled me, shamed me, blamed me and everyone else for everything in her life. My story is I only get in relationships with addicts they are my Persephone.. This is actually a theme in both my Mom's side of the family and my Dad's side of the family..We are bunch of Plutonians..I always thought my whole family was cursed with all the addictions, infidelities, domestic violence, lies, manipulation, etc, etc,etc..Scary stuff here folks
+Sabrina Dacosta You should think about telling your story in my group and posting your chart so you can have your questions answered by supportive people and be part of a community who understands and does not judge. We have many Plutonicly inclined friends there. There is always a chance for healing, friend.
+Sabrina Dacosta Thanks for sharing, Sabrina. The 8th house really is fascinating. Death, taxes, inheritance and the mining/processing of precious materials from the earth ... as we always hear. As for the "inheritance" part, well, that can work on different levels. I find the issues of genetic inheritance and the inheritance of psychological states and ways of being to be far more interesting than actual monetary inheritance as we typically think of "inheritance". And when I hear that the 8th house is connected with mining, extraction and processing of precious metals from the earth - I automatically think of ... Alchemy. The 8th house is the house of psychological inheritance and spiritual alchemical processes, methinks. So often it seems that when someone has a heavy 8th house ... that individual goes through alchemical processes and transmutations - in order to extract Soul Gold and to purify him/herself from the inherited psyche-ological gunk from the parents or environment s/he grew up in. All the more interesting that when we read about famous/semi-famous people who inherited huge amounts of money - so often we find that they grew up in an environment that was like a psychological battlefield as well (addictions, physical and sexual abuse seem to be the norm here)... and they are usually faced with the choice of living with this "inheritance" as a part of their being ... or transmuting, alchemically, into something beyond that ... something that has "evolved" past those genes and that DNA material - at the psyche-ological level. Again, thanks for sharing.
Angela Payne wow...I like the way you looked at the psychological and genetic inheritance. I am sun and mercury in 8th house and i am definitely always going through an alchemical transmutation. As a matter of fact, alchemy is my mantra for 2018. Thank you for your comment and sharing
Sabrina Dacosta I’m so sorry 😞😢
@@frhythms I am also the Phoenix like yourself and you couldn’t have expressed it in a more beautiful way...thank you ♥️
Btw thanks for being so honest Jewel, I dislike astrologers that sugarcoat everything, it’s better to hear the truth even if it sounds harsh.
Dear Jewel, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to teach me and others so much about astrology. You’re my #1 source of information. I want to ask you how would having Hades exactly on my Descendant (opp Ascendant) be interpreted? I can’t find anything about it online. Thank you.
So I'm in a confusing relationship. I'm supposed to be pluto but I feel like Persophine. He's somewhat older and he's very plutonic in his birth chart. I'm slightly plutonic, I think. We have moon opposition pluto, I'm pluto, we have venus sextile pluto, I'm pluto, and we have north node opposition pluto and I'm pluto. If you want to increase the orb, we have venus-pluto square and mars-pluto square in which he is pluto, but that's more than 8 degrees and less than 10. But him being the pluto could also be because I have a whole stellium in his eighth house, my mars, sun, neptune and uranus, and even juno is in his eighth house and his pluto is in his eighth house too. This relationship is also very neptunian, we have a venus-neptune conjunction in which I am the neptune, I'm also neptunian in my chart so maybe even if I am the pluto, because he sees me as ideal, he doesn't want to let me go? Our time together feels outerworldly, they're absolutely beautiful actually. There's definitely jealousy and this strong fear of losing one another and from my part, fear of not being physically appealing enough and I hardly have any idea where it comes from. Maybe the neptunian energy makes me want to be all that he ever wanted? A man has never made me feel this way but I've tried leaving three times, but he won't let me go and I keep on being reeled back in because I want him just as much. Any insight?
+Mystical Chaos I'm a woman who has strong Pluto conjunctions in my natal (to Sun and Venus, but especially Venus). My life has been a kind of Persephone experience.
Excellent video!
Great video.
When there are a large number of connections between two charts, how do you distinguish a plutonic relationship from others? For instance, one couple I know in their composite has a total of 7 pluto aspects to sun, mercury, venus, outer planets, lilith and ascendant with an even divide of hard/harmonious aspects and one conjunction. They have MORE contacts with Jupiter (8) also hitting similar areas and better aspected , and the same number of contacts (6) with each of the sun, moon, venus, mercury, and uranus. The synastry chart is chock full of double whammys in these, and other, areas. Does this still count as a plutonic relationship?
Been in those too. You didn't exaggerate. Passion is the excuse they use.
My natal moon is opposite Pluto. Naturally, most people around my age have their Pluto opposite my moon. Lots of moon opposite Pluto lessons for me. I do think I’m learning, confronting, growing.
Neptune isn’t too involved but:
1.) Natal Pluto is in 12 (with moon in 6- I feel a need to service for love. In Gemini so I can be very verbally manipulative. Using intellect for emotions to get the “love” and “care” I crave. Hard one to break, learned in childhood.)
2.) I am a Pisces, I embody Neptune. Pisces intercepted in the 3rd.
Steps to growth, steps to growth.
Same lol but ima aries sun with hella Pisces energy
Jewel, I have moon, sun, Mercury and Jupiter trine Pluto in a composite with someone, can it go as damaging and dangerous as having sun, Venus square Pluto and Mars inconjunct Pluto in composite? Or is it better? :)
Hi.its the 1st time i saw a video of yours.i got here cause i got involved with someone whos pluto opose my moon and my pluto sq his sun. In composite we have sun/venus cj in 10th sq pluto 1st. I gotta say im feeling the atraction,intense,srrong pull. I stopped it but i seem not to able to forget and he been trying also. How can we see if its only pluto or love?
Can you please tell me whether it is about synastry or composite chart?
Hey Jewel I have Mars conjunct Pluto (and in the sign of scorpio) in a composite chart with someone I'm seeing now. This is very sexual and feels somewhat addictive. Does this make sense?
Jewel, if it is possible for you, please explain to us how it would be a couple dynamics that both have challenging pluto ... this has been very difficult to find information, and thanks God, you are the only one in the whole network that explains this subject very well !!
For example a connection in which pluto is in the descending of the composite, but in the charts of the synastry we can observe pluto of both envolving a dominant form defying the luminaries
The lunar person has a conjunction of the moon with Pluto in the 4th house and this conjunction squares another one sun, mercury, venus and rising ....
As you have explained in other videos, Pluto has the greater hand in this dynamics, but the person with stellium of personal planets also has pluto squaring those planets (9th almost Midheaven Pluto)
Could we assume that this person would bring consciousness to 4th Pluto but in the midst a great of pain ?!
Because the lunar person as you said it is accustomed to deal with pain ... and the solar person is accustomed to happiness ... maybe the lesson is both balancing between pain and happiness ?!
both have mercury square pluto the natal and composite charts, so both have difficulty changing their minds, one accepting the pain of the other and the other accepting the happiness of the other ?!
I met this guy has Pluto in Scorpio opposite Venus, Mars opposite Neptune, and Mars trine Pluto. Our composite chart has Venus trine Pluto, however on our synastry my sun Mars conjunction square his Pluto, and my Jupiter square his Pluto. It was a nightmare and I wish I had never met him. Luckily I left the moment I felt upset with his plutonic power.
Same.realaship never got started. I said noooo
How do I know who is the pluto person? In a synastry chart his pluto touches my moon and sun in a trine among other pluto contacts but between the outer planets and the north node.I have both these aspects in my natal chart he also has this aspect but as a sextile only to his sun. My pluto squares his mars, which he has in his own natal. We have a bunch of double whammies in our synastry chart and natal charts. I dont know his birth time. We have a total of 4 pluto aspects each in synastry, but his touches my personal planets more. But Im a plutonic person myself. I have scorpio ascending and plutoRx in the first house along with my plutonian trines
Plus: I met him when he was (still is) going through a Pluto conjunct his venus transit (he's been having this transit a while like almost two years it'll be over in february), I felt attraction when I first met him but not so intense and out of nowhere I was drawn to him like a magnet and it was when pluto started to retrograde. I know and feel like I like him more than he likes me. We didnt enter the relationship but I cant seem to forget him, could it be the retrograde pulling me in? He just withdrew out of nowhere and it sucks because I feel like IM THE ONE going through the venus/pluto transit. I feel like Im the one being transformed. I recognized the ugly side of me he brought up and suppressed fears (stuff i buried long ago) that I had to go to therapy. He was a catalyst for me getting help to work out my issues to get better and I feel changed but why is he still in my head!!!! HELP!!!! He's not coming back so why cant I move one?!!!!
How many Pluto hard aspects is too much? I'm looking at my friend and her husband's composite and they have Pluto square Venus, Mars & Jupiter. Married for 2+yrs and seem happy... at least my friend seems happy.
What if the hard Pluto contacts are seen for both sides/partners? I’m still learning but my Pluto squares his Sun. And his Pluto squares my Saturn and Lilith. Thank you ❤
It’s just supposed to be friends with benefits but the chemistry and tension has been there since day 1. We also have nice aspects like Venus sextile NN, Asc trine Sun, as well as both a trine/sextile with Venus and Jupiter
I love love love your videos... I have my own mercury exact inconjunct pluto in scorpio n my sun opposing it and i keep attracting plutonic relationships. i was single for 2 years and now i met a guy and we are seemingly soo innocent but both our plutos make exact squares to both our ascendants. I feel like maybe i should break it off before its too late because its sooo true what u say, pluto can swallow all the other nice things and in the end u end up with.... ???
Curious how Saturn conjunct Pluto plays out in synastry. Do you have a video about or that touches on this aspect?
Jewel I agree with you *hard aspects* this guy has Pluto squaring his Saturn and this guys Pluto is conjunct my venus and in my 1st house and he is very dictating towards who I date and saying he wants to possess me and protect me and he isnt in a relationship with me! So I understand completely and his Mars is in my 1st house so alot of energy going towards my 1st house.
Loved it!
Hi, Jewel. Does having having a difficult aspect between Hades and Persephone in a composite or synastry chart also count as, well, difficult as you've said?
It certainly can show difficulty but it is the planets we mainly look to to see hard lessons.
Ha! I listened to you for 8 hours straight once. Does that count as plutonic or just a Gemini feeding on information?
The men sending you hate are the perfect example of hit dogs holler the loudest
And competing astrologers are also howling...the video is out there somewhere.
Sarah michelle gellar and Freddie Prinze JR her husband have Venus opposite Pluto and other plutonic aspects and they are together, married and happy since, 18 years maybe and Celine Dion and René had hard Plutonic aspects too so... I think we can find balance between the judgement of Pluto and the idealization of it lol But i think that we must be careful with hard aspects between Mars and Pluto ( very bad in my pov AND experience) but yeah, in the relationships where i suffered too much, i always had hard aspects between my Venus and the Pluto person ; or / and, my Moon and the Pluto person but also hard aspects between my Venus and the sun person. Now i had for once my pluton square a Venus person and he left and i'm sad and feel like, i have to keep him, like, i need him so doesn't matter if i'm the pluto or venus person, i suffer ! Lol but, i suffer less being the pluto person in my pov. Just once, i had my venus square a pluto's guy and her venus conjunct my pluto and i was not so much in love with him, just a dependency, and not to hard to break up so it depends on a lot of things and aspects/transits etc
Jewel, oh my gods, I need to have a reading done by you. There is a relationship in my life that has a composite sun, moon, venus, pluto conjunction in the 6th house in Scorpio. 😳😭
Hi there, i am very plutonic and saturnian with relationships with pluto conjunct saturn in my 7th house, with mars square both, neptune sextile pluto and moon trine pluto. my relationships have been heavily plutonic but i have alternated being the pluto person and the persephone person. As a female i have been in both roles equally. Is it possible for a plutonic relationship be nice and successful and happy?
Yes, it's possible if the couple lets go of control/manipulation.
What happens if both person have strong Pluto nataly and in synastry?
Female here who thinks this is often spoken about in a too black and white way. I think there's a lot to say about personal growth and the natal chart. That stuff is all touched on in this video
Help idk what to do anymore I have mars square pluto/ sun square pluto/ Mercury square pluto/ Venus square pluto with this person in composite chart. The relationship never last but we always comeback to each other. It’s been 5-7 years already. I can’t let go of this addiction .
Me neither! I have the square (Mars/pluto) in synastry and it sooo hard.
If the pluto person is already evolved then how does this relationship acts out.
You don't react as strongly to certain stimuli, although describe evolved. We all have unconscious material hidden and rotting and snapping at us from below like wild dogs. We can't see it or hear it or smell it, but it's the invisible driver of our lives.
I agree is prefer a video on this aspect when both are doing inner work and have so for many years. I love my Pluto relationship and it has been the most touching and powerful one of my life. I’m the Pluto person and where I can see some of these dynamics they are so light and not intense. Just patterns to observe and then respond to.
We have: My Proserpina conjunct his Mercury in Scorpio,my Pluto conjunct his Proserpina in Virgo,my Hades in Taurus opposite his mercury in Scorpio,his Hades in Aries square my Mars in Capricorn,my aqua moon cj his NN/Persephone, And my Venus opposed his Moon/Pluto in Cancer in 7th. Together for 24 years and I still don't see who is the Persephone person and who is the Pluto (He's a scorpio sun, cap asc, I'm Sag sun,sag asc) We're enmeshed
I wouldn't say you have been too hard it does seem like you a don't like the Pluto person. They are not in control. I have been in both positions in this relationship. The Pluto person in a Venus opposition, the sun/mercury person in a conjunction and the MC person in a sq. People may not like this but I can say that both parties get hurt, though I must say, it is actually probably a little easier being the non Pluto person, or at least when you realise the charts and that's who you are. Thanks for these videos they are so specific, which is exactly what someone needs in a Pluto obsession/relationship. :)
What if you have venus conjunct pluto and all plutos of your mutuals are conjunct your venus. 😢 all relationships are plutonic then
How do you know which one is the Pluto person and the Persephone?
Both my parents have significant plutonic influence. My mother being a plutonic solar Leo and my father being a plutonic lunar Leo. They are separated. And spent most of my childhood distanced from each other. I e experienced plenty of harsh physical and emotional "discipline" from them.
On me. I'm an 8th house Aries. Putting my Leo in the 12th. My Pluto is cusped the 3rd house in Scorpio. I also have Saturn and south node there opposite my Mars.
I'm forced to leave my family. Even tho I'm not really well equipped to survive on my own. I got a lunar Pisces. And all of my personal planets are all 7th, 8th, and 9th houses. I've always experienced harshness within the family. Being beaten up by brothers etc... Not to mention that I adopted my fathers south node and the mojority of my influence all reside in Pisces. Aries and Taurus. The only three signs my mother has no planetary influence at all.
So i feel like I'm nothing but the extension of my mother in some vain attempt to complete her own chart. I've never known healthy support. Just the dictation of how to be. I really despise Leo's and the planet Pluto.
+Solar Apophis You have had some hard things to deal with. Hang in there, friend. The planets will reward you.
+Solar Apophis I will make many more videos on Pluto. Perhaps you may hear something comforting in them.
+Jewel Mayberry thank you
How can a scorpio ascendant bypass these issues when everyone in my age group within 14 yrs has a generation that is all Pluto in Scorpio ?
it depends on the degrees of your ascendant if it will meet their pluto in synastry so noo worries:)
I have realized this. When you generationally have pluto with your personal planets which means most people's planets touch your that planet/s, I feel like you feel sort of intimidated by your generation which could lead to you when you get older to date other generations to work out your pluto out meaning you would attempt to apply the power you have that was taken away from you on this new generation if their sun/moon/asc/venus/mars touch your pluto. That doesn't mean you'll always be dating those that are older/younger than you though. You might be dating someone from your generation but you have to see whether or not the composite chart also has pluto.
im scorp asc and my pluto is sag but im always attracted to pluto in scorpio generation, bonus points if they have other scorpio placements. feels like were from the same tribe.
I have to say the earlier video described my mother’s and ex-husband’s relationship to me.
And according to the charts i feel obsessed for a man and am the “Pluto person”! So i better pay attention!
Ok - so its my Pluto sextile his Merc and Saturn and quintile his venus, our combined sun and Pluto are conjunct, and he’s dealing with a 90 degree square his Pluto to Venus...
Had my pluto cj her venus.
I was the persephone, so at a Uranus transit, I left at the end.
She was a narc..
My moon conjuncts partners Pluto and my partners sun conjuncts my Pluto does this classify as a plutonic relationship ?
Yup
What happens when a Pluto heavy natal person gets into a Plutonic relationship from the other side? i.e. their personal planets are contacted by another's Pluto but they themselves have strong Pluto in their chart
My partner has pluto conjunct my Asc syynastry and composite
However in my birth chart I have
Sun venus and mercury in house 8
And a venus pluto square
And a mercury pluto square
I experience the pluto conjunct my ascendant relationship as very passionate and intense and painful...
However because I am familiar with 8th house themes I am possibly more tolerant of the pain and toxicity of the relationship
I get the impression I am mis using my strength on prolonging this relationship...
And my innate obsessive mind and love for passion makes it harder to move on because I am highly drawn to the power of pluto person
Pluto person is still attractive and enticing to me although I perceive there manipulative tactics...I too recognize I have practiced many of those exact manipulative tactics which makes it harder for Pluto person to break me down...
This creates power struggles and a competitive game like interaction on my behalf...to not lose to not break...to resist...
Even after finally being broken down by pluto person getting me pregnant with my 1st kid then having a miscarriage the emotions of that happening on top of the already toxic relationship broke me down to a point of...my lowest
But even at that point I showed tremendous resilience and grace....
Pluto person credited me on being invincible and stated he loved me because of my strength....I asked how do you know I'm strong...pluto person replied because you can handle me!
I am not angry at pluto person...no matter how painful our interactions a part of me understands pluto and that just as all my 8th house planets make me strong naturally that pluto person does as well which I know is making me even stronger
I accept Pluto's challenges graciously and have made a conscious decision to learn from pluto as opposed to try to change pluto to transform from Pluto's teachings
So in conclusion having a pluto themed natal chart makes me pursue the relationship fearlessly and with an open mind to grow from it...although it can be toxic...I feel qualified to endure this relationship longer than I should
@@joannaharris1759 Yes I feel this too..the sense that the both of you know, even unconsciously that there's power on both sides - although my power is hidden in the dark. What you say about choosing consciously to work with the Pluto in spite of the pain because of an innate understanding, really resonated with me. But I know I will have to walk away soon. They deny the power of the connection + the depth of it, so that I am always holding it up to the light.
maybe you haven't heard enough feminist comments because there is more to feminism than we both men and women think; and we easily consider ourselves as feminists when in reality we are not. thank you for your videos you are definitely one of my fav feminists!!!
thank you
soooo good omg
How do you question whats in the stars? How do you question fate? Time is a human construct, and has no meaning in spiritual development. A Plutonic relationship, for better or worse should run its course, or, if you believe in reincarnation, or karma you could wind up repeating this pattern in your next incarnation. I think it would be wiser to learn about the plutonian aspects and be aware of what the possibilities are. The very good, and the very bad. Perhaps, that is the purpose of these types of relationships. Everything happens for a reason right?
agreed
Its telling that men were offended by the segment before this one. I had a platonic relationship with my mother. It's not always men controlling women in these relationships.
Pluto can go either way.
Typical male chauvinism... WE SUPPORT YOU JEWEL. You are right.
From a Pluto-Sun conjunct Scorpio 8th house 2° orbit.
Can this be a generational too ? Most men are my age . Or have I been choosing the wrong men ? I'm so confused 🤔.
Dallas Duchess I'm curious about this too. Pluto was in Libra from 71-84 (I believe) so any man in my age range would have a similar Pluto position to me. Maybe the house it's in carries more weight than the sign.
Have you ever seen people with hard Pluto aspects in synastry work?
I know a couple that is happily married since many years. They have a Pluto-Moon square. Both are very conscious people and communicate well, so they don‘t suffer at all with this aspect. They are super loving and respectful with each other
My only issue with discussing abuse when it comes to astrology is that people over emphasize the synastry aspects, when the natal ones are far more telling. Sure, certain aspects can bring out our more negative traits, but a square or opposition to Pluto is not going to turn a nice guy into an abusive one, and we can very easily fall down the slippery slope of victim blaming.
While I agree with most of your Pluto takes, I don't think people coming to you to agree with you is really any kind of confirmation of the accuracy, it just shows that you have devoted followers who are attracted to your content, which many people have, even astrologers you may strongly disagree with.
Im a male ,but im also a female energy too..so for me i can see why somebody would reflect that your topics are onecsided,but thats because they dont know them selfs.
I have sun conjunct pluto with Mr. Scorpio double whammy. He abandoned me emotionally for someone else, moved out of state but is still stuck on having sexual relations with me. I had to let him go and I cry every day for him, it’s destroying my life
Xena Chanel are you the sun or Pluto person?
Jennivere Gospic we both share this aspect his sun conjunct my Pluto my sun conjunct his Pluto. But when I decreased the orbs, they’re stronger I am the Pluto person and he is the Sun..
Xena Chanel aww no I’m so sorry to hear this. ❤️
Xena Chanel I’ve observed with Pluto and luminaries, the one who feels it more could go either way. Sometimes it is the Pluto person in this case, but it can also be the sun person? I’ve seen that too? It is commonly known that the Pluto person is obsessed with the suns light wanting more of it and that has been true in some of my experiences. But sometimes the sun is also spellbound by the Pluto person. It can go either way. I think it be good to look at other aspects like if there’s connection to personal planets, house placement especially the water houses, moons nodes vertex BLM ascendant descendant IC MC etc and composite charts will shed an overall light on the relationship too
Strongly disagree w men’s opinions about passion vs abuse. As woman totally agree w you about Pluto. Have experienced it and it’s devastating
I’m the man playing Persephone and I want the fuck out. Women play Pluto just as often as men.
Yes, that can happen.
Bet those men were low-frequency Pluto. Since they would not complain about such thing lol
You’re always saying something is rare. Astrology isn’t the tell all be all. Anyone can make anything work if that’s what they want to do. Not because someone’s Pluto is conjunct someone’s moon 🙄
Exactly. We are the masters of our own fate. The birth chart is a map of potentials, not a sentence.
Lol my sun is saggitarious
my generation is a Pluto saggitarious,
I myself have a mercury conjunct pluto (1 degree orb) and my sun conjunct pluto (but 8 degree orb)
Sooo therefore I have my sun and mercury conjunct everyone's pluto who's my generation
Nice 🙃
I'm planning to go to the therapy 6 months later, I wanted it for a long time though🤔 but I feel I really need this and that I couldn't stay fine without it
btw I have venus conjunct neptune and saturn in the 8th house 🙈🙉🤧
Painful to hear 😔
I am starting to think that plutonic relationships are karmic soulmates
No.everything about Pluto is mostly abusing, heartless ppl,they feed on a primal forces,want to tear you down as much as they can in their games. Its abuse on sight, doomed ppl you can detect them they're like demons from hell..very bad energy.
i respect your interpretation but it also is kind of doom and gloom. telling people to just walk away isn’t that easy. otherwise, why is there plutonic connections in the first place?? there are people who just have plutonic/scorpionic/8th house heavy charts that don’t necessarily need to escape it. the energy is there for a reason and often times it’s karmic. the need to purge and let go of your former self(lves) usually is the case. you’re meant to learn about power and control - not power and control of another person but about your own. men naturally want to dominate everything BUT themselves. they always want a mommy at the end of the day. maybe we can get away from this outdated heteronormative perspective one day.
lol Lol lol men smfh