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Meshuggah is honestly so heavy and brutal that it flips back around to being relaxing and meditative. Check out Catch 33! Its structured a lot like a classical piece with its different movements.
Really interesting analysis, cant wait until the next meshuggah one because I think he got something to hold on, a point of interest and song like Straws Pulled At Random or Dancers to a Discordant System or Even Perpetual Black Second could catch even more of his interest. Great video as usual, thx for the content and greetings from France !
You should show Judson some live video from Meshuggah some time, as I think experiencing live with their perfectly synchronized lights, the "meditative" description is even more apt than the albums.
Great to see that Judson gets the essence of Meshuggah. How loud it may be it's basically meditative music. Don't sweat the time signatures. However syncopated the guitars may become the drummer himself has stated that he hears all their songs in 4/4 :) As some others have suggested too I think it would be interesting to have Judson listen to Dancers to a Discordant System since it has a lot more melody.
I've seen them live a few times and it's absoloutly correct to say that Meshuggah live is more like a religious experience of getting into flow state and staying there for 2 hours. To listen to music that is so crushing yet so meditative is quite the experience, like finding calm in the middle of a tsunami wall of sound. An astonishing trip I highly recommend
Seconded. I have seen hundreds of metal sets before finally catching Meshuggah last year. There is nothing else like it, it's wholly unique and everyone should make it a bucket list item while Meshuggah is still "young" enough to play the material in person. Never seen so many lights at a concert before either. Positively psychedelic.
@@ayandey137 in short, even if they didn't explain it well, according to the Gnostics the "true god" is the One, in the sense of unity of all things, and is represented by various "aeons", a sort of emanations of god. But then, one of these aeons broke away from the god and gave birth to the demiurge. The demiurge is therefore not the creator of everything, but of an inferior part of the true god, of which we are part. The demiurge is therefore often considered evil, and for some Gnostics he represents the god of the old testament.
So interesting watching people try to digest this band. I remember what it was like when I still didn't "get" them and every song sounded the same. But when you can remember the structure and hear the 4/4 time signatures, it's so oddly satisfying.
Judson was spot on with how he interpreted the feel of the song at least for me, I always love listening to the song while driving because you feel like your in a trance and you lose track of time, the only thing you feel is the song and you don't get out of it until it's over.
I really love the lyrical breakdown. Their lyrics are really amazing and are very hard to break down. As mentioned before, dancers to a discordant system is an absolute must. It’s their greatest song ever made.
He pretty much exactly summed up how Meshuggah makes me feel. Intuitively, with no hesitation. He really gets music and I suspect alot of life on a level that many don't, maybe they could but their minds aren't open to it.
Funny, I was like Judson not long ago, at least in so far as vocals like these would rub me wrongly. Very unexpectly, then, I noticed a change in my taste over recent years, simply from exposure. Now I can't get enough.
Wow I never would have thought to compare Meshuggah to Rage Against the Machine but Judson is spot on. Especially for Meshuggah’s slower songs like this
1) I think the best chance we have for him to get into a Meshuggah song would be something like Clockworks or Phantoms. Maybe even Born in Dissonance. It needs to be something with more movement. 2) I appreciate how philosophical Judson got.
This is one of my favorite songs of all time, and I love how Judson explains the state that Meshuggah put you in. It is an intense, hypnotic, almost meditative state. I always thought of it as them getting you to change your body's rhythm to what they are playing and then just letting it flow. Great analysis.
Hi gentlemen! Seeing as though you’re both in recovery, I highly recommend a reaction to ‘The Grudge’. It’s a great track musically and the theme is letting go of resentments. Judson would love it.
I think the song is about believers in whatever faith, needing a god or gods to be their demiurge, so life has no meaning without said higher being they belive in. in the lyrics they say sucking vomit acting like it`s honey(this could also be a somewhat lovecraftian perspective, that people worship and need these gods that if they exist, could very likely hate their worshippers and doubters alike) So i do belive that the song is about people`s need for religion, and sort of a sutle mockery of the said believers of whatever religion in question. But i get struggling with Jen`s vocal style, i struggled with it myself, what helped me in the beginning was viewing Jen`s vocals as an extention of Tomas Haake`s drumming, but now i love Jen`s vocal style, Jens does really add a lot of dynamics to Meshuggah`s music and he`s understading of rythme and when to enter with his vocals in the rythme pattern.
Great video! It's so refreshing seeing Judson able to process Meshuggah constructively; like 'that state' he talks about. Most people that I've shown their music, usually don't get to that point :') - We really need Judson to experience and process "Sublevels" from Destroy, Erase, Improve - I think he'd really enjoy how dynamic it is and in my opinion, it really creates its own 'state' too!
Can you show some of the older stuff? Concatenation for example. THIS is mindbending! I get the feeling the love for Meshuggah begins in the year 2002 and the older stuff is completely forgotten.
+33 for featuring one of my favorite bands again. Meshuggah's album Koloss is about religion and seeing as especially Judson likes lyrics, I think the lyrics of the opening track I Am Colossus are brilliant. Could do that song, but if Judson's interested he could also just check the lyrics and spare his ears lol. Cool you mentioned gnosticism Jud! Speaking of Gnosticism, fun fact: The Matrix is heavily inspired by Gnosticism to the point that you could quite decently argue the movies just *are* gnostic-christian. In this interpretation the Architect in the second movie (the old bearded dude in white with all the TV's) would be the Demiurge - the false God of the world he rules. Cheers guys!
Holy shit Judson you hit the nail on the head with riding the rhythm in an almost meditative state. That’s an awesome catch for someone with his background.
Absolutely love you mentioning an overlap with RATM Judson, because I've spoken to the band and they dislike the term math-metal that people often use, as you're right, it is entirely about the feel and the groove. Can personally say Mårten Hagström (guitarist, composes most stuff) approved of 'groove-metal' when I mentioned to him that'd be my word for it at a backstage meeting. It's funny bc if you turn the sound off at a Meshuggah concert you could practically put hip hop over it. So yeah the vocals are always the barrier with Meshuggah, but otherwise I feel Judson totally dialed into what the band goes for, at least partially, which is is cool. An an interesting sidenote the bassist is actually a really good jazz bassist. I hope you guys do a song that features more solos, because the guitarists got a really jazzy Alan Holdsworth inspiration to them.
another great review! Bleed and Demiurge are quite repetitive. I’d love to see Judson check out Straws Pulled at Random. Wild tune with a heavily jazz fusion inspired middle section, one of Meshuggah’s best IMO.
Funny to hear you guys talk about Vildhjarta again. Meshuggah have very groovy songs, but they're usually stand-alone tracks. What Vildhjarta do best is the album experience. There are so many intertwining layers of atmosphere, grooves and riffs that all call back and forth to each. In the middle of their album Masstaden Under Vatten they have an entire 6 minute song comprised of riffs from the first album recontextualized. I love Meshuggah, but Vildhjarta are simply the best at what they do.
Great discussion there, fellas! I'd love to see you guys react to extremophile elite by between the buried and me, particularly the "live at fidelitorium" version. Take care!
I'm not sure how you two would feel about video game music, but I would have to recommend Risk of Rain 2 as a metalhead myself. Two of my favorites are "con lentitud ponderosa" and "the rain formerly known as purple", but the entire soundtrack is so delicious. The game features such an amazing soundtrack and is vastly different than most music I have heard coming from a video game, with metal, prog rock and 80's synth vibes. Keep up the great content!
What I like the most about you guys reaction videos is that you let the song play without pausing! Kind of a pet peeve with other channels. Also you should react to Periphery. Misha is heavily influenced by Meshuggah.
Great video as always guys! Would love to see some Be'lakor! They're one of my favorite bands of all time, up there with TBDM (though different styles). Songs I'd suggest as starters: -Countless Skies -In Parting -An Ember's Arc -Much More Was Lost Those second 2 are part of concept albums that tell stories. An Ember's Arc is the start of a story for its album and it's about the fusion in the sun creating a photon of light, so there's no needed context other than "it continues from there". Much More Was Lost is the last song of an album, so just for context the people that the kids come across in their adventures in that song are references to victims of tragic lives in the other songs. It's about the kids losing their innocence and blissful ignorance of the sadness of the world so to speak. The album as a whole is a collection of tragic stories of people living around a mountain over time
Actually, demiurge comes from Plato's philosophy. Demiurge means "the master crafter". He believed that there were two worlds, the world of ideas and our world. Everything in our world was created based on an idea of the superior world. The demiurge was the one that could see the ideas, take matter, and use it to create a physical thing or creature based on what he had seen. So he is kind of like a creator god, but without the religious aspect of gods, it was just used to explain how things were created.
I’d recommend anything off of king gizzard and the wizard lizards’ petrodragonic apocalypse album. Only band to contest meshuggah on the Spotify recap for me.
this genre is called Djent... with Meshuggah as the most prominent in the genre now there is a new genre called Thall... just listen to Mirar, song: Toccata (loosely inspired by Bach)
You should check out/react to the documentary called "the devil and daniel johnston". Super interesting story. "Held the hand" is probably my favorite song from him.
Their magic is that 95% of the music is written in 4/4 time. It's mental riffage set to 4/4 drumming. It's exactly what metal has always needed to get more popular. You can actually move to this music. All the time.
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I've seen Black Sabbath in 2016 and Meshuggah twice now. Best shows for sure.
@@adamhenton6221 you’ve allowed me to start my day by feeling extreme jealousy. 😂
YOB in Paris, unexpectedly great
@@rimmouz Interesting. I need to check out more YOB
king crimson 2001 stuttgart, germany :)
Dancers to a discordant system is a must for a classical musician to check out
My thoughts exactly! 😄👍
Gotta do the live version from Ophidian Trek too, that live album is so goddamn beefy with it’s tone.
One of their best songs
Oh yeah bro. Marrow also. And Abysmal Eye solo
100% it's so good
Good to know that NOBODY can passively resist the Demiurge headbang/nod
I can. I am a pianist/drummer
@@Meihan_godthis guy thinks he's special
@@Meihan_godwatch out guys. We’ve got a bad ass over here
Meshuggah is honestly so heavy and brutal that it flips back around to being relaxing and meditative. Check out Catch 33! Its structured a lot like a classical piece with its different movements.
I always thought Meshuggah put you in that "state" that's almost hypnotic. Great vid!
Catch 33 is an album that definitely does that.
I Love this kind of metal, Jesus Tod by Burzum is my favorite, a bit more subdued, but when i need a pick-me-up, this is the way to go.
no one understand me when i say meshuggah is relaxing music, its exactly what you said.
Really interesting analysis, cant wait until the next meshuggah one because I think he got something to hold on, a point of interest and song like Straws Pulled At Random or Dancers to a Discordant System or Even Perpetual Black Second could catch even more of his interest.
Great video as usual, thx for the content and greetings from France !
Hey un autre français qui regarde leur chaîne 😁
coucou :)
You should show Judson some live video from Meshuggah some time, as I think experiencing live with their perfectly synchronized lights, the "meditative" description is even more apt than the albums.
Great to see that Judson gets the essence of Meshuggah. How loud it may be it's basically meditative music.
Don't sweat the time signatures. However syncopated the guitars may become the drummer himself has stated that he hears all their songs in 4/4 :)
As some others have suggested too I think it would be interesting to have Judson listen to Dancers to a Discordant System since it has a lot more melody.
Never thought of it like meditative music but you're right. Best to lift weights to
I've seen them live a few times and it's absoloutly correct to say that Meshuggah live is more like a religious experience of getting into flow state and staying there for 2 hours. To listen to music that is so crushing yet so meditative is quite the experience, like finding calm in the middle of a tsunami wall of sound. An astonishing trip I highly recommend
Seconded. I have seen hundreds of metal sets before finally catching Meshuggah last year. There is nothing else like it, it's wholly unique and everyone should make it a bucket list item while Meshuggah is still "young" enough to play the material in person. Never seen so many lights at a concert before either. Positively psychedelic.
I second this with gojira
fun fact: the sound of the word "koloss" is identical to the greek word "κώλος" which literally translates to "ass" hahahahah
Petition for Judson to do the whole video in a british accent when he does a Beatles intro piece.
Please no, I didn’t understand shit
Did not expect discussion on gnosticism 🤣
I sure am glad I studied for it in university 🤣🤣🤣
You guys, rock!
Can you please give a little explanation in simple terms?
@@ayandey137 in short, even if they didn't explain it well, according to the Gnostics the "true god" is the One, in the sense of unity of all things, and is represented by various "aeons", a sort of emanations of god. But then, one of these aeons broke away from the god and gave birth to the demiurge. The demiurge is therefore not the creator of everything, but of an inferior part of the true god, of which we are part. The demiurge is therefore often considered evil, and for some Gnostics he represents the god of the old testament.
@@eldur565 thanks
So interesting watching people try to digest this band. I remember what it was like when I still didn't "get" them and every song sounded the same. But when you can remember the structure and hear the 4/4 time signatures, it's so oddly satisfying.
Judson was spot on with how he interpreted the feel of the song at least for me, I always love listening to the song while driving because you feel like your in a trance and you lose track of time, the only thing you feel is the song and you don't get out of it until it's over.
I really love the lyrical breakdown. Their lyrics are really amazing and are very hard to break down. As mentioned before, dancers to a discordant system is an absolute must. It’s their greatest song ever made.
He pretty much exactly summed up how Meshuggah makes me feel. Intuitively, with no hesitation. He really gets music and I suspect alot of life on a level that many don't, maybe they could but their minds aren't open to it.
My explanation for meshuggah is this: "those guys can hit a note. I mean, they find that note and once its found they can play that note."
Funny, I was like Judson not long ago, at least in so far as vocals like these would rub me wrongly. Very unexpectly, then, I noticed a change in my taste over recent years, simply from exposure. Now I can't get enough.
Same buddy , it happened the same with me
I can't listen to this without headbanging
4:15 I started laughing a bit because Richard and Judson synchronized their headbanging lol
One of my absolute favorite songs from Meshuggah. The way the snare and the guitar play in sync is just something else in this song.
Wow I never would have thought to compare Meshuggah to Rage Against the Machine but Judson is spot on. Especially for Meshuggah’s slower songs like this
1) I think the best chance we have for him to get into a Meshuggah song would be something like Clockworks or Phantoms. Maybe even Born in Dissonance. It needs to be something with more movement.
2) I appreciate how philosophical Judson got.
This is one of my favorite songs of all time, and I love how Judson explains the state that Meshuggah put you in. It is an intense, hypnotic, almost meditative state. I always thought of it as them getting you to change your body's rhythm to what they are playing and then just letting it flow.
Great analysis.
Hi gentlemen! Seeing as though you’re both in recovery, I highly recommend a reaction to ‘The Grudge’. It’s a great track musically and the theme is letting go of resentments. Judson would love it.
I think the song is about believers in whatever faith, needing a god or gods to be their demiurge, so life has no meaning without said higher being they belive in. in the lyrics they say sucking vomit acting like it`s honey(this could also be a somewhat lovecraftian perspective, that people worship and need these gods that if they exist, could very likely hate their worshippers and doubters alike) So i do belive that the song is about people`s need for religion, and sort of a sutle mockery of the said believers of whatever religion in question.
But i get struggling with Jen`s vocal style, i struggled with it myself, what helped me in the beginning was viewing Jen`s vocals as an extention of Tomas Haake`s drumming, but now i love Jen`s vocal style, Jens does really add a lot of dynamics to Meshuggah`s music and he`s understading of rythme and when to enter with his vocals in the rythme pattern.
Great video! It's so refreshing seeing Judson able to process Meshuggah constructively; like 'that state' he talks about. Most people that I've shown their music, usually don't get to that point :')
- We really need Judson to experience and process "Sublevels" from Destroy, Erase, Improve - I think he'd really enjoy how dynamic it is and in my opinion, it really creates its own 'state' too!
Amazed by his knowledge on gnostics.Thats my thing
Can you show some of the older stuff? Concatenation for example. THIS is mindbending!
I get the feeling the love for Meshuggah begins in the year 2002 and the older stuff is completely forgotten.
Judsons my spirit animal
Your channel logo looks wicked insane, i love it.
If you like meditative dark suggestive sludge metal please listen to Cult of Luna from the same city in Sweden as Meshugga.
The songs together with Julie Christmas are gold
spasms, straws pulled at random, electric red, do not look down & of course, my beloved dancers to a discordant system are top notch
+33 for featuring one of my favorite bands again. Meshuggah's album Koloss is about religion and seeing as especially Judson likes lyrics, I think the lyrics of the opening track I Am Colossus are brilliant. Could do that song, but if Judson's interested he could also just check the lyrics and spare his ears lol. Cool you mentioned gnosticism Jud! Speaking of Gnosticism, fun fact: The Matrix is heavily inspired by Gnosticism to the point that you could quite decently argue the movies just *are* gnostic-christian. In this interpretation the Architect in the second movie (the old bearded dude in white with all the TV's) would be the Demiurge - the false God of the world he rules.
Cheers guys!
The demons name is surveillance by meshuggah is a BANGER🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
especially the 3-6-9 section
Holy shit Judson you hit the nail on the head with riding the rhythm in an almost meditative state. That’s an awesome catch for someone with his background.
amazing song pick by judson in the beginning
Oh this will be a good one. Good way to start the day 🤘
They leave me speechless at times too.
Absolutely love you mentioning an overlap with RATM Judson, because I've spoken to the band and they dislike the term math-metal that people often use, as you're right, it is entirely about the feel and the groove. Can personally say Mårten Hagström (guitarist, composes most stuff) approved of 'groove-metal' when I mentioned to him that'd be my word for it at a backstage meeting. It's funny bc if you turn the sound off at a Meshuggah concert you could practically put hip hop over it. So yeah the vocals are always the barrier with Meshuggah, but otherwise I feel Judson totally dialed into what the band goes for, at least partially, which is is cool.
An an interesting sidenote the bassist is actually a really good jazz bassist. I hope you guys do a song that features more solos, because the guitarists got a really jazzy Alan Holdsworth inspiration to them.
Nice shirt, might as well do some Skeletonwitch now.
Hurt that finds you first, from the same album. You will not be disappointed.
another great review! Bleed and Demiurge are quite repetitive. I’d love to see Judson check out Straws Pulled at Random. Wild tune with a heavily jazz fusion inspired middle section, one of Meshuggah’s best IMO.
l enjoy the relentless drive of demiurge. it like merges with a vibe of being locked in
Funny to hear you guys talk about Vildhjarta again. Meshuggah have very groovy songs, but they're usually stand-alone tracks.
What Vildhjarta do best is the album experience. There are so many intertwining layers of atmosphere, grooves and riffs that all call back and forth to each.
In the middle of their album Masstaden Under Vatten they have an entire 6 minute song comprised of riffs from the first album recontextualized.
I love Meshuggah, but Vildhjarta are simply the best at what they do.
Great discussion there, fellas! I'd love to see you guys react to extremophile elite by between the buried and me, particularly the "live at fidelitorium" version. Take care!
I saw Xavier Rudd opening for Jello Biafra and Atari Teenage Riot. What a show.
Nice!
This was always the night ender at my local rock club. Really pulled everyone together and sent them out into the world happy.
Ritual and behind the sun are amazing as well, love the reactions!!
Hey guys, maybe you could try to check out Gaza (band). As a kind of opposition to the "pocket" style :)
Such a cool as song especially the drums!!!!! This song gets you dancing!!!!!!
Another great video, as always. Love you guys. The best concert I've ever seen was probably Meshuggah last year in Lisboa, Portugal
Straws pulled at random would be cool, its such a one of a kind
I'm not sure how you two would feel about video game music, but I would have to recommend Risk of Rain 2 as a metalhead myself. Two of my favorites are "con lentitud ponderosa" and "the rain formerly known as purple", but the entire soundtrack is so delicious. The game features such an amazing soundtrack and is vastly different than most music I have heard coming from a video game, with metal, prog rock and 80's synth vibes. Keep up the great content!
Petition for Judson to listen to Slayer's Jihad since he loved Angel of Death
Would love to hear some Amon Amarth. 😀👍🏼
What I like the most about you guys reaction videos is that you let the song play without pausing! Kind of a pet peeve with other channels.
Also you should react to Periphery. Misha is heavily influenced by Meshuggah.
Great video as always guys! Would love to see some Be'lakor! They're one of my favorite bands of all time, up there with TBDM (though different styles). Songs I'd suggest as starters:
-Countless Skies
-In Parting
-An Ember's Arc
-Much More Was Lost
Those second 2 are part of concept albums that tell stories. An Ember's Arc is the start of a story for its album and it's about the fusion in the sun creating a photon of light, so there's no needed context other than "it continues from there". Much More Was Lost is the last song of an album, so just for context the people that the kids come across in their adventures in that song are references to victims of tragic lives in the other songs. It's about the kids losing their innocence and blissful ignorance of the sadness of the world so to speak. The album as a whole is a collection of tragic stories of people living around a mountain over time
Thank you guys ❤
Actually, demiurge comes from Plato's philosophy. Demiurge means "the master crafter". He believed that there were two worlds, the world of ideas and our world. Everything in our world was created based on an idea of the superior world. The demiurge was the one that could see the ideas, take matter, and use it to create a physical thing or creature based on what he had seen. So he is kind of like a creator god, but without the religious aspect of gods, it was just used to explain how things were created.
I’d recommend anything off of king gizzard and the wizard lizards’ petrodragonic apocalypse album. Only band to contest meshuggah on the Spotify recap for me.
Adding one more for dancers to a discordant system!
Concatenation. Just for shits and giggles.
Meshuggah r about Tranquility. DMT land soundtrack....
Great measures!
10:10 "there must be a meaning behind the album name. It sounds greek"
Meanwhile, Kolos in greek means..... ass...
literally... HAHAHA
Oh precious Judson LOL
rubber soul is overlooked for sure
Meshuggah, Dethklok, Devin Townsend, and X Japan
Clockwork or dancers to a discordant system
Koloss is a very tribal-sounding album to me. That's the theme I think they were going for
Someone needs to make poet reacts to Cannibal Corpse lyrics.
this belongs on the doom soundtrack
Gratitude by Car Bomb or Opeth Harlequin Forest brothaaa
this genre is called Djent... with Meshuggah as the most prominent in the genre
now there is a new genre called Thall... just listen to Mirar, song: Toccata (loosely inspired by Bach)
Never thought I'd hear Xavier Rudd compared with Meshuggah but he's not wrong.
In Death Is Death next
You should check out/react to the documentary called "the devil and daniel johnston". Super interesting story. "Held the hand" is probably my favorite song from him.
Gotta hittem with the Bleed if you haven't already
Some Motörhead would be fun ^^
Ya’ll should check out Allegeaon-Biomech (Vals 666).
Their magic is that 95% of the music is written in 4/4 time. It's mental riffage set to 4/4 drumming. It's exactly what metal has always needed to get more popular. You can actually move to this music. All the time.
Approved.
"Welcome Home" by Coheed and Cambria lets give the Metal alter ego of Styx a try.
BRO PLEASE GET THIS MAN TO LISTEN TO THEY MOVE BELOW BY MESHUGGAH PLS TY
would be great to see judson react to something by protest the hero - "palms read" would be my choice 👍
Please have him react to Dancers to a Discordant system
Make him listen to I and see how he likes that.
Clockworks and Dancers to a discordant system for next please
SHOW THIS MAN
SYMPHONY X - THE ODYSSEY.
Check out some old Dimmu Borgir, I wander Judson's thoughts.
Dancers to a discordant system
Let him listen to Future Breed Machine
Fall From Grace - Morbid Angel. When ?
Car Bomb is an interesting band, try it ;)
Gotta agree that Rubber Soul is the best Beatles album
Meshuggah doesn't do odd time signatures.;) It's all 4/4 and 3/4. They just add cycles on top of it.
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Ur like talkn, but it don't matter. It's meshugga
Come on, their best song is Straws Pulled at Random!