@@harolddeschenes4640 You get used to it, listen to Demiurge, Obzen, Spasm, NMCC, Sane, Neurotica, Concatenation(remix) Meshuggah is great, but if you start on the most extreme end it can be a turn off to their music.
@@beowulf1417 And when listening to boring repetitive songs like Bleed 🤣 Idk why people always pick Bleed to introduce people to Meshuggah, it's so monotonous and they have way better music.
@@niclastname Bleed is a great song, but it isn`t a good song for introducing people to Meshuggah, but if you introduce someone to Meshuggah through Bleed and they like it, then you can be very certain that their going to like the vast majority of Meshuggah`s discography.
In reference to it feeling like a headache, the original title for the track was aneurism and was meant to be the audio equivalency of having a brain aneurysm. The drummer, Thomas haak, had to adjust his entire drumming technique in order to learn the rhythm and the drumming for this song was done last as it was more challenging than the entire rest of the record. His words not mine of Wikipedia fact or fiction loud wire.
Yeah problem was the drums were build by the writer on program, was insane for a normal drummer to perform this in reality. Alone the little "hertas" playing constantly and switching rythm back and forth. The aneurism is really symbolic and you can "feel" it. The constant sweeling up and down, keeping on crushing you, increasing and down, slower and the cycle keeps on repeating. Driving you insane slowly...i really think that is the hell for people with a longlife ear ringing. You only have 2 options, get insane or headbanging to your grave with insane neck musculus maximus. Its my Top 3 gym song, next to "Bloody Roots" from Sepultura and DMX "X gon' give it to ya"
@@nikolah.8472 yah man I use this song to warm up to before I track guitars in my band, I am a rhythm player so this is a wonderful piece to get your chops back up to par after youv been at work all week not playing hardly at all especially with the holiday rush.
Actually this is solid, he’s said that in interviews. And something about he had damaged nerves, so his feet and something work a lil differently. Kinda crazy, when you can do that and have some condition that would stop a drummer, but yet he figured it out. A lot of respect. Sorry edit, but he is one of the best metal drummer right now. You guys should check out the video where, Bill Burr talking about his first time watching em live, and Danny Carey among another musician watching this song live. He said at one part Danny, was like “wtf” 😂 idk. But a cool thing to listen to Bills story of watching this band the first time, and musicians just impressed. after another reaction of meshuggah. kinda like the tool thing but different. Love you guys, great vids as always🤙🤙
Meshuggah's music is so deliberate, I haven't met anyone in the music industry that doesn't consider them geniuses, regardless if they like their music or not.
force yourself to see them live, even if it´s just for the sound and the show and the trance. you're gonna bathe in that soundscape. thank me once you did @@harolddeschenes4640
Meshuggah, like a lot of progressive metal, is so totally focused on craft over anything else. Whatever you think of the music, it's clearly virtuoso skill level.
I already love their music, but I love when so,some can show my feeble brain why it’s more than I’m hearing. For instance, the guy on here that has a whole series of Meshuggah’s riffs and solos on the trumpet. I’d have never heard the jazz influences on my own.
When Tool's album "Lateralus" came out, my friend/bandmate at the time and I were also really into Meshuggah. As soon as we heard the first track off Lateralus on his car stereo, we both looked at each other and said, "They've been listening to Meshuggah!" Sure enough, a few months later they announced they were bringing Meshuggah on tour with them. That really made Meshuggah's career. They went from being a rather underground band to getting mainstream recognition. Considering that Tool specifically asked their management to book Meshuggah to tour with them, I think it is fair to say that both Danny Carey and Thomas Haake have deep respect for one another. After all, "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery." Also, I didn't see anyone else mention it in the comments, so I'll state it here: Meshuggah is a Yiddish word that means "crazy."
Good analogy about the hammering of one note. This is not just challenging for the drummer. Trying to pick this on guitar for 7 agonizing minutes is just fucked.
i wasn"t, but probably only due to having been into Deathspell Omega and Portal by the time i finally got obZen, and already having known the earlier Meshuggah albums for a while
Part of Meshuggah's appeal is this deliberate monotony. Bleed is the best example of this. This one-note repetition that Judson refers to, comparing it to a jackhammer, is a very purposeful part of Meshuggah's sound: The stark harmonic context, the almost drone-like melodies, are there to plant the listener's attention down. The relentless rhythms work together to that effect. The very low notes on the guitars add to the "lack" of melody, and the songs become something like rhythmic, aggressive... mantras. It is well known that many of Meshuggah's (and relevant artists') fans refer to their music as ...meditative (myself included).
I heard a non metalhead refer to music once as "the last magic on Earth" and this song is a great representation of that mentality. A shaman in trance, but it's Bleed instead of a drum circle.
Wow, that makes me think of this band much differently. I don’t like Meshuggah, I think they’re boring as hell, but I’m gonna re-listen through Chaosphere with this in mind. Thank you internet stranger!
I just find it crazy that Bleed, being so unrepresentative of Meshuggah's writing style, somehow became their most popular and "reacted to" song. It's the "Nothing Else Matters" equivalent in the extreme metal realm.
Two quick things: 1) You both should have a Podcast. 2) Judson should make you react to Classical / Jazz Music as well. Greetings from a chilean new subscriber 👍
It actually isn’t! Once I saw an interview with their drummer Thomas Haake, who said ob in obzen comes from the Latin prefix ob-, which means ‘anti’ or ‘the contrary of’. So ObZen is anti-zen. The opposite of Zen. It’s kind of funny to use the Latin prefix to go along Zen, which is ancient Japanese, but the outcome means what it means and the sound remind you of ‘obscene’, which their music is in the most rhythmic way possible.
12:50 "...like a jackhammer, but hey, that's just me" No, that's everyone, that's why that track is incredible. Time just flies by and you get into this semi-trance-like state.
I bet if you'd have played him this a couple of months ago, Judson would've been horrified. Great to see him picking out bits he liked, even if he wasn't a fan overall.
It's so weird to imagine people not liking metal. Like, I get they exist in large numbers, but it's still so foreign to me. I've gotten so into it all.
Just saw this live again tonight. It is good on record; it is absolutely INSANE live. The band is just incredible and no recording can harvest the energy and sound they put out
@Turcomichael hard to believe a group that's been around for 35+ years has never softened and still goes that hard/loud live and still has most of the original members.
Since you’re showing him more “abrasive” metal now… I’d like to suggest again that you show him “fermented offal discharge” by necrophagist. With the strong classical influence the band took a as well as what many would call “the best guitar solo in metal” it’d be interesting to hear what he thinks about the song from a compositional, classically trained perspective. Rather than the technical one that many fans likely see it from.
The Necrophagist solo might be impressive from a purely technical standpoint ( just listened to it now ), but is nowhere NEAR the best solos in Metal. All it feels like is "flexing of muscles", with no true soul, presence and atmosphere. The best solos, in my opinion, are the ones from Dancers to a Discordant System by Meshuggah, and, another that rings a bell is Machine Head's Halo :) Both are incredibly atmospheric - first one feels cosmic and eerie, second one is soaked and steeped in emotion and inner pain. THAT is what an "impressive solo" should be in my book.
You should definitely get him to check out other songs. Despite being a top tier song, I don't think Bleed is the best song for introducing someone to Meshuggah especially given it's a one of a kind song within their catalogue. Demiurge or Rational Gaze are a lot easier to digest or even Born in Dissonance and the title track, Obzen, which I'd say has a nice mix of the slower sludgier parts and the fast paced bits like Bleed.
Yeah, OK, I'll say it: Bleed is overrated and does drag on for a fair bit. I appreciate the stamina and limb independence skill cap is high, but it could easily have been 3 minutes shorter and not lost any of it's oomph. If Judson found Bleed monotonous, he'll probably think the same of Demiurge and especially Born in Dissonance (As much as I love both). I actually feel a great entry track to Meshuggah would be Do Not Look Down. Plenty of movements melodically and the typical syncpation/polyrhythm mindbuggery happening while also pretty short and succinct.
@@gurushen99Dancers to a Discordant System is another great one that has a lot of depth to it. Honestly I see it as their most "signature" song, it pretty much has every element that makes Meshuggah... Meshuggah.
@@gurushen99Yessss Do Not Look down is my favorite track of theirs! It greatly shows their rhythmic complexity without being overbearing. And a killer guitar solo with cool lyrics to go along with it
Meshuggah..It's exhausting to listen to sometimes, offputting, yet somehow it can pull you in. I think Break Those Bones That Sinews Gave Motion would be a good next one.
Co-signed! Destroy Erase Improve is still my favorite album to this day, but I have to admit I pretty much love everything from them. Their last three albums have been excellent.
i certainly don't disagree with the 'monotonous' description lol, but i think that's what my brain likes about it! i love seeing different people's reactions to music. many folks would understandly find this jarring and discombobulating. seems to have opposite effect for me. the speed, repetition and dissonance i find soothing and comforting. 🥰
You're right. It's not monotonous, it's repetitive, in a hypnotic kind of way. I saw an interview with Tomas Haake where he explained that the repetition in their music is very much intentional, because you get in a sort of hypnotic state because of it.
@@xenonvinc Monotonous has negative connotation. There are better ways to describe it when something stays the same for a while that are more positive.
Metronomes are calibrated using this song. You should check out the live version where you get to see Tomas Haake playing this song with the light show synced up to the drums.
I totally know what he means about the repetitive sound being like a jackhammer. When I was new to Meshuggah, this stuff was exhausting. Then, once I knew the structure of the song and that their time signatures are almost always 4/4, it really started to click and didn't just sound like a constant assault on the eardrums.
I just saw them live in Grand rapids Michigan last night. They actually played "bleed" last night for the first time since 2017 that I know of. It was my second time seeing them. It was an excellent show. I'm very sore today LOL getting old but I can still. 🤘
They played Bleed in 2018 and 2019 as well but then they stopped playing shows until last year and only brought Bleed back to their setlist on this past tour
I had never heard of them before, and got the opportunity to see them as an opening act for System of a Down in 2001. It was epic, and morphed my idea of heavy music tremendously. When they came out, we thought they were the roadies for the next band though 😂.
I just saw them in Seattle on Black Friday. They played Bleed and Demiurge as their encore. It was great. I also was sore for a couple days after the show. 🤘😁👍
I was also at the grand rapids show but mainly went to see In Flames and Whitechapel. I wasn't too familiar with Meshuggah but it didn't take long for me to understand why they were the main headliner. They were absolutely insane.
Richard: "You ready?... You're not ready" Entire Comment Section: "Correct lol" Fredrik Thorendal's melodies and guitar work in general was what originally turned me on to Meshuggah back in the Destroy Erase Improve days. Bleed really is just a monster of a song though lol
Meshuggah are really amazing. First of all, I've never seen someone talking shit about them. Second, they never miss to tear shit up when I don't feel like listening to anything else, I just can't get tired of them. Plus they sound just like the studio version when they're playing live. True geniuses!
Just saw them live on tour with my favourite band in flames. This song has to be one of the best metal songs ever right? After he says it’s growth I literally cannot resist making a grossed out face and headband its wild
It's certainly confusing why people would listen to a song that goes nowhere interesting for that long haha. Meshuggah has way better songs, but people like to watch reactions to Bleed because "bro the drums are difficult!".
I dont remember if youre already familiar with Dimmu Borgir, but those orchestral live versions would be right in your wheelhouse(?), atleast i would think so
@@Greatmeasures Id personally go with "Progenies of the great apocalyspe" or " Gateways" from their live dvd "Forces of the northern night". Im pretty sure they also have a Wacken consert with orchestra so those songs might also be on their setlist there.
@@GreatmeasuresAm I a joke to you, Richard? "Progenies of the Great Apocalypse" live at Spektrum. 😎 "We add the song to the list, just for you" You hurt my feelings, Richard. 😭🤭🤣
You absolutely lucky bastard. I see you seeing the music! I see that! Lucky duck!!! I can’t even use my minds eye and you’re out here organizing and analyzing sounds visually.
When I was still playing shows I would make a habit of going up for the opening bands and be sure to show my support. I would headbang, mosh, you name it. One night, I was moshing and my knee got stepped on sideways, and I went down. Didn't injure myself but I had to go on stage with a crazy banged up knee. The whole show I stood stock still, glued to my mic stand, scared to even shift my weight in case I fell over. That was the day I decided I was done moshing. This song, however, is on my list of exceptions. If i ever end up at a Meshuggah show, I will throw myself at this song.
I feel this one man. When I used to work retail I was unloading freight and very randomly I turned but my knee didn't and all I hear was a click noise my knee completely gave in. I was heavily into smoking pot at the time so I couldn't go to the hospital for fear of failing the immediate drug screen they always give. It was a strange experience because it didn't hurt but I kept waiting for the rush of pain that did eventually hit me a little while later. I took myself to the local hospital after work to make sure I didn't do any damage he said the cartilage in my knee was all fucked up so yah I should probably find a different job otherwise I will have knee surgery probably within the next 3-5 years.
Seeing them in 2 weeks, apparently on this tour the encore is bleed and demiurge. I feel like I should just stretch the rest of the show and prepare for the encore pit lol
14:30 lies - he’s getting in his car and going to rock out to this song on his way home 😜 albeit with his mini head banging and crossed legs. He loved it “secretly” 😂
I never know if I enjoy this song or not, it’s really a mood song it can sound amazing one day & gets your head banging but on another you wonder why you put it on as you feel a headache coming on.
I feel like his ability to dissect a song on his first listen is amazing. I have to hear albums like 10 times, with all songs in memory, before I can analyze anything about it. He just notices that stuff so fast.
@@2freet I'm not talking about his opinion. He seems to try and be pretty objective. I'm talking about how he notices so many intricacies in the song. Obviously anyone would notice the main rhythmic pattern, but he notices the variations of it, and very subtle things like the octave note that only joins the pattern for like one verse. Also he can pretty much instantly find the key and melody of the song, which is not as easy as you might think. Find a song that you've never heard before, listen to it once, and then when you're done, try and list 5 things about its rhythm/melody/structure. Extra hard if you pick a Meshuggah song.
i dont wanna be that guy, but those are basic skills of any decent musician. it's a big part of their job. what do you think a session player is expected to do when he has to learn a repertoir of several songs on very short notice, sometimes in the rehearsal? whip out pen and paper and analyse the song for half an hour to find it's key? and the rest you listed...hell, even i can do that easily and i'm nowwhere near the level of any of those guys in a million years. @@DM-pv4rw
There's a difference between a music lover/listeners ear to a musicians ear to a classically trained musicians ear. Musicians listen to what's happening musically and break down what's happening as opposed to the aesthetics of how the overall sound is presented. Basically a musician can identify skills and ingenuity and pay props even though they might not be into the style
Another suggestion for analysis, reaction, musically far superior in all aspects compared to this Meshuggah song: Death "Symbolic" (from the 1995 album "Symbolic"). Absurd thing in every way, in every aspect. Progressive Death Metal Elite!!!
Incase you guys didn't know, Meshuggah is Yiddish for; Crazy, Insane, or non-sensical... As in; "If Jetson had to listen to this for the rest of his life, he would become Meshuganuh."
Just throwing this out there....Mors Principium Est - The Unborn. Tracks - Pure or The Unborn. For me, it's still some of the best melo. death I've heard, the whole album is beautifully brutal....if there is such a thing, lol. Keep em comin' guys!!! Cheers 🍻
brand new to the channel so I dont really know what music you guys usually play, but id personally love to see you guys analyze car bomb’s “lights out” or frontierer’s “heirloom”. theyre both extremely complex songs (mathcore); basically this but more intense and confusing. also, not very similar to bleed, but any of paledusk’s more recent releases would be interesting as well.
It's amazing how deliberate Meshuggah's music is. His description is basically what they were going for lol What is feels like to have an aneurysm. And the infamous pattern is called the "herta" and while it shares similarity with a triplet form it actually is RL-R-L (8th note and 1/4 note). In repetition the bar crossovers end up making it feel like triplets.
Meshuggah is perhaps the most intriguing band out there. There's been a lot of jazz fusion influence in their sound, unless I'm mistaken, since forever. The vocal is "hermetic", "straight", "colorless". But I consider it a bold, avant-garde, interesting, disconcerting, intriguing sound. But it's not a "fun" sound to listen to, it's very "cerebral", like playing chess, I don't know. The current Sepultura I find much more interesting, and also has very complex arrangements and songs, but, of course, they are very different styles. Anyway, I can't come to the conclusion whether I like Meshuggah or not. But I recognize that they have a unique, "special" sound, not necessarily "catchy". OK, the band has excellent musicians and a drummer, Tomas Haake, who is impressive, although Sepultura's drummer Eloy Casagrande is superior for certain subtle details. The person who had the courage to take on this was the exceptional drums/percussion and performance specialist of drummers, Andrew Rooney, from New Zealand, who is also a very nice person... ruclips.net/video/L1mKnRjd2Yw/видео.htmlsi=jcMMr6inWOZ6SmTE
i disagree, Jens might sound colorless to someone untrained in listening to Jens screaming, Jens adds a lot of emotions and texture to Meshuggah`s music. But for a beginner for listening to Meshuggah, it can help to view Jens as simply an extention of Tomas Haake`s drumming. I personally love Meshuggah i think they are one of the most important metal bands in the entire history of metal and they are the band most responsible for the modern sound of metal. Sepultura hasn`t been interesting since Max and Iggor left
@kahwigulum overrated by whom? Haake is a beast on drums and if you ask a drummer, they will agree. But as for the band, there are a lot more fans of Tool, Slipknot, Dream Theater, etc. Are you just focusing on a handful of people somewhere?
@@thetruth4654 You're out of the loop, man. Appearances can be deceiving and you need to learn to respect plausible, reasonable opinions that differ from your own. I know and have Meshuggah's records since their first LP in 1991 "Contradictions Collapse", when the band had a clear influence from Metallica, and was also influenced by jazz fusion. Why have several people already liked my main message??? I and everyone who liked my post would be "wrong"??? Of course not!!! If you revere Meshuggah, that's fine. But even the current Sepultura is superior, more interesting, has a more dynamic, more "colorful" sound. Meshuggah's sound is indeed "cerebral", "hermetic", which is not "fun", "catchy", the vocalist has a "straight" style, "without colors", but they are excellent musicians, a band that can be considered "avant-garde", "unique", "disconcerting", and that it has an impressive drummer, but I have already highlighted that it is a fact that Eloy Casagrande (Sepultura) is superior due to several subtle details. If you want to accept this counterpoint, this plausible, reasonable dissenting opinion: great. If you don't want to accept it, this is called "fanaticism" (which is, in practice, synonymous with "blindness"), in this case, in relation to Meshuggah. Fact.
Another suggestion for analysis, reaction, musically far superior in all aspects compared to this Meshuggah song: Death "Symbolic" (from the 1995 album "Symbolic"). Absurd thing in every way, in every aspect. Progressive Death Metal Elite!!!
Try Oscillation Cycles by Blotted Science. Ron uses a 12 tone row - where every note is used. The song is the same pattern repeated forwards and in reverse at diferrent tempos. Ron is the craziest composer in metal. If you are up to it his solo album - Solitarily Speaking Of Theoretical Confinement, is 45 songs meshed into one kind of like what Meshuggah did with Catch 33. Rigidude, Static Chromatic and Erratic Chromatic are some other interesting ones.
I would say this lands solidly in the groove metal category. Solid chunky groove the entire track. Reminiscing some of the Far Beyond Driven album or even some Ashes Of The Wake type of Grooves
I remember first hearing "Future Breed Machine" on winamp player on my PC years back. Scared the crap out of me and awe inspiring all at the same time.
It's a contemplative song, It's like a Ritual, a trip. A rythm trip where musicians that are just living through the harmony or lyrics sometimes could just not enter the trip, and it's okay. But to who Immerse the trip... it drives you to a different place.
Music for Epileptics. (You Epileptics know what I'm talking about) Meshuggah are very unique Off kilter polyrhythmic kinetic and oh so chaotic. Fun stuff. I love Metal.
I hope you guys will do more from this band as they are one of the more unique bands out there. A song like Rational Gaze or Nebulous would be very interesting.
Meshuggah is an aquired taste... I remember the first time I heard them and it was the vocals I didnt care for. It tooka couple gateway bands to get back to them, and now I can't get enough. I hope to catch them again next time theyre back in Phoenix... but again, not everyone's cup of tea.
I don’t blame him. I like Meshuggah but always felt like this one was a bit too much of the same thing. So many more interesting songs in their catalog
People who don’t like meshuggah:
“Its like a jackhammer to your head!”
People who love meshuggah:
“It’s like a jackhammer to your head!”
I love heavy metal but I have to admit this is way too intense for me....
I love how I read those differently lol
@@harolddeschenes4640 You get used to it, listen to Demiurge, Obzen, Spasm, NMCC, Sane, Neurotica, Concatenation(remix) Meshuggah is great, but if you start on the most extreme end it can be a turn off to their music.
Lol!!!!! So true.
Great point
If you remove the audio completely, it looks like he's listening to 911 emergency calls and is processing grief and terror
😂
People don't tend to fiddle and shift around like a bored child when processing grief and terror 😂
@@beowulf1417 And when listening to boring repetitive songs like Bleed 🤣 Idk why people always pick Bleed to introduce people to Meshuggah, it's so monotonous and they have way better music.
Ha!!
@@niclastname Bleed is a great song, but it isn`t a good song for introducing people to Meshuggah, but if you introduce someone to Meshuggah through Bleed and they like it, then you can be very certain that their going to like the vast majority of Meshuggah`s discography.
In reference to it feeling like a headache, the original title for the track was aneurism and was meant to be the audio equivalency of having a brain aneurysm. The drummer, Thomas haak, had to adjust his entire drumming technique in order to learn the rhythm and the drumming for this song was done last as it was more challenging than the entire rest of the record. His words not mine of Wikipedia fact or fiction loud wire.
Yeah problem was the drums were build by the writer on program, was insane for a normal drummer to perform this in reality. Alone the little "hertas" playing constantly and switching rythm back and forth.
The aneurism is really symbolic and you can "feel" it. The constant sweeling up and down, keeping on crushing you, increasing and down, slower and the cycle keeps on repeating. Driving you insane slowly...i really think that is the hell for people with a longlife ear ringing. You only have 2 options, get insane or headbanging to your grave with insane neck musculus maximus.
Its my Top 3 gym song, next to "Bloody Roots" from Sepultura and DMX "X gon' give it to ya"
@@nikolah.8472 yah man I use this song to warm up to before I track guitars in my band, I am a rhythm player so this is a wonderful piece to get your chops back up to par after youv been at work all week not playing hardly at all especially with the holiday rush.
Actually this is solid, he’s said that in interviews. And something about he had damaged nerves, so his feet and something work a lil differently. Kinda crazy, when you can do that and have some condition that would stop a drummer, but yet he figured it out. A lot of respect. Sorry edit, but he is one of the best metal drummer right now. You guys should check out the video where, Bill Burr talking about his first time watching em live, and Danny Carey among another musician watching this song live. He said at one part Danny, was like “wtf” 😂 idk. But a cool thing to listen to Bills story of watching this band the first time, and musicians just impressed. after another reaction of meshuggah. kinda like the tool thing but different. Love you guys, great vids as always🤙🤙
It's HaakE
@@piet-0 okay cool thanks I just typed it how it sounded
Meshuggah's music is so deliberate, I haven't met anyone in the music industry that doesn't consider them geniuses, regardless if they like their music or not.
The simple fact that I don't like their style doesn't take away their brilliance. They're at the top of their craft. It's just way too intense for me.
force yourself to see them live, even if it´s just for the sound and the show and the trance. you're gonna bathe in that soundscape. thank me once you did @@harolddeschenes4640
Meshuggah have fuckin destroyed everything since day one....True fuckin pros...soooo synched together it'll piss you off....
Meshuggah, like a lot of progressive metal, is so totally focused on craft over anything else. Whatever you think of the music, it's clearly virtuoso skill level.
I already love their music, but I love when so,some can show my feeble brain why it’s more than I’m hearing. For instance, the guy on here that has a whole series of Meshuggah’s riffs and solos on the trumpet. I’d have never heard the jazz influences on my own.
When Tool's album "Lateralus" came out, my friend/bandmate at the time and I were also really into Meshuggah. As soon as we heard the first track off Lateralus on his car stereo, we both looked at each other and said, "They've been listening to Meshuggah!"
Sure enough, a few months later they announced they were bringing Meshuggah on tour with them.
That really made Meshuggah's career. They went from being a rather underground band to getting mainstream recognition.
Considering that Tool specifically asked their management to book Meshuggah to tour with them, I think it is fair to say that both Danny Carey and Thomas Haake have deep respect for one another. After all, "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery."
Also, I didn't see anyone else mention it in the comments, so I'll state it here: Meshuggah is a Yiddish word that means "crazy."
Saw that tour in Winston-Salem NC, so goddamned epic
I went to that tour, it was my first concert and it was my 16th birthday. Pretty good day, I’d have to say
bill burr spotted danny carrey at a meshuggah concert
They brought them on tour around the time Nothing came out, and Tool fans were total cunts during their performance (in MPLS at least)
@@hitthegoat Same!
Good analogy about the hammering of one note. This is not just challenging for the drummer. Trying to pick this on guitar for 7 agonizing minutes is just fucked.
bleed is like a rite of passage for every music reaction channel lol
unfortunately
@@uraniumcranium2613 Nah, it's still a masterpiece.
Pisces is a bigger rite of passage
@@ifer1280 didn't ask
I've never met a man who wasn't exhausted after their first listen of Bleed
i wasn"t, but probably only due to having been into Deathspell Omega and Portal by the time i finally got obZen, and already having known the earlier Meshuggah albums for a while
fucking hilarious comment dude haha
I find it deeply relaxing.
I am No Man
@@dc-jj2ntmy brother
Part of Meshuggah's appeal is this deliberate monotony. Bleed is the best example of this. This one-note repetition that Judson refers to, comparing it to a jackhammer, is a very purposeful part of Meshuggah's sound: The stark harmonic context, the almost drone-like melodies, are there to plant the listener's attention down. The relentless rhythms work together to that effect. The very low notes on the guitars add to the "lack" of melody, and the songs become something like rhythmic, aggressive... mantras. It is well known that many of Meshuggah's (and relevant artists') fans refer to their music as ...meditative (myself included).
Yeah the "Zen" in the title of the album is intentional, it's supposed to be sort of hypnotic
I heard a non metalhead refer to music once as "the last magic on Earth" and this song is a great representation of that mentality. A shaman in trance, but it's Bleed instead of a drum circle.
Wow, that makes me think of this band much differently. I don’t like Meshuggah, I think they’re boring as hell, but I’m gonna re-listen through Chaosphere with this in mind. Thank you internet stranger!
Anytime! 😄@@sireffortlessgarbage7922
Love how he keeps touching his piano for comfort. Great review.
"You ready?"
"Proceed Richard"
"You're not ready"
He was in fact not ready, no one is, gotta love this song
I just find it crazy that Bleed, being so unrepresentative of Meshuggah's writing style, somehow became their most popular and "reacted to" song. It's the "Nothing Else Matters" equivalent in the extreme metal realm.
Or “Africa” by Toto lol
It's the drums
@@johnc.hammersticks not only the drums, guitar and bass are crazy hard too
Are you calling Bleed a ballad? 😊
@@dreadbull5039 Bladdard
Just for Judson 's face when the song kicks in it's all worth it.
Classic reaction!
He got the thousand yard stare about half way through to 😂
Two quick things:
1) You both should have a Podcast.
2) Judson should make you react to Classical / Jazz Music as well.
Greetings from a chilean new subscriber 👍
great ideas
Somos el mejor país de Chile hermanoooo
ObZen is a mix of the english words "obscene and zen".
Cheers.
It actually isn’t!
Once I saw an interview with their drummer Thomas Haake, who said ob in obzen comes from the Latin prefix ob-, which means ‘anti’ or ‘the contrary of’.
So ObZen is anti-zen. The opposite of Zen.
It’s kind of funny to use the Latin prefix to go along Zen,
which is ancient Japanese, but the outcome means what it means and the sound remind you of ‘obscene’, which their music is in the most rhythmic way possible.
12:50 "...like a jackhammer, but hey, that's just me"
No, that's everyone, that's why that track is incredible. Time just flies by and you get into this semi-trance-like state.
I bet if you'd have played him this a couple of months ago, Judson would've been horrified. Great to see him picking out bits he liked, even if he wasn't a fan overall.
It's so weird to imagine people not liking metal. Like, I get they exist in large numbers, but it's still so foreign to me. I've gotten so into it all.
Just saw this live again tonight. It is good on record; it is absolutely INSANE live. The band is just incredible and no recording can harvest the energy and sound they put out
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I did too!!! First time seeing them live and was absolutely fucking amazed. They are 110% a LIVE band
Bruhhhh I saw them at the San Diego show. Such rhythmic assault. No one will ever replace them.
@Turcomichael hard to believe a group that's been around for 35+ years has never softened and still goes that hard/loud live and still has most of the original members.
Agreed
Since you’re showing him more “abrasive” metal now…
I’d like to suggest again that you show him “fermented offal discharge” by necrophagist. With the strong classical influence the band took a as well as what many would call “the best guitar solo in metal” it’d be interesting to hear what he thinks about the song from a compositional, classically trained perspective. Rather than the technical one that many fans likely see it from.
The Necrophagist solo might be impressive from a purely technical standpoint ( just listened to it now ), but is nowhere NEAR the best solos in Metal. All it feels like is "flexing of muscles", with no true soul, presence and atmosphere.
The best solos, in my opinion, are the ones from Dancers to a Discordant System by Meshuggah, and, another that rings a bell is Machine Head's Halo :) Both are incredibly atmospheric - first one feels cosmic and eerie, second one is soaked and steeped in emotion and inner pain. THAT is what an "impressive solo" should be in my book.
Honestly anything by Necrophagist, Obscura or Archspire would be amazing
@@norwish6940 true. Or spawn of possession - apparition.
Would be amazing. 10 minutes is probably too long though
@@norwish6940 Obscura is criminally underrated
@@GuniShushev literal blasphemy opinion
'straws pulled at random' still has my all time favorite solo in any song
Me too. I like how it's this one glimpse of light against pretty much their whole output.
You're welcome
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You should definitely get him to check out other songs. Despite being a top tier song, I don't think Bleed is the best song for introducing someone to Meshuggah especially given it's a one of a kind song within their catalogue. Demiurge or Rational Gaze are a lot easier to digest or even Born in Dissonance and the title track, Obzen, which I'd say has a nice mix of the slower sludgier parts and the fast paced bits like Bleed.
Yeah, OK, I'll say it: Bleed is overrated and does drag on for a fair bit. I appreciate the stamina and limb independence skill cap is high, but it could easily have been 3 minutes shorter and not lost any of it's oomph.
If Judson found Bleed monotonous, he'll probably think the same of Demiurge and especially Born in Dissonance (As much as I love both).
I actually feel a great entry track to Meshuggah would be Do Not Look Down. Plenty of movements melodically and the typical syncpation/polyrhythm mindbuggery happening while also pretty short and succinct.
@@gurushen99Dancers to a Discordant System is another great one that has a lot of depth to it. Honestly I see it as their most "signature" song, it pretty much has every element that makes Meshuggah... Meshuggah.
@@gurushen99Yessss Do Not Look down is my favorite track of theirs! It greatly shows their rhythmic complexity without being overbearing. And a killer guitar solo with cool lyrics to go along with it
demiurge, in death is life and rational gaze are the 3 classic groovy ones for me
Agreed something that shows Fredrick is the equal to Thomas, basically anything from destroy erase improve and chaosphere really
Meshuggah..It's exhausting to listen to sometimes, offputting, yet somehow it can pull you in. I think Break Those Bones That Sinews Gave Motion would be a good next one.
Seeing Meshuggah on Friday. I cannot wait to see them again. Best live performance I've ever seen.
Agreed 💯%
I wish you the best of luck that they are going to play Bleed live
I'd never pass up another opportunity to see them live, lol. This is my 3rd time. :)
@@meandfriendstv anything they play will be a pleasure to experience my man
I was there man. Hell of a show
The best description of Meshuggah’s style I have ever heard was 3 guys doing their own thing out of time in-time.
Future Breed Machine is a popular one that has some good vibes midway through. I think the pianist might enjoy that track a bit more.
Ohh yes please
Co-signed! Destroy Erase Improve is still my favorite album to this day, but I have to admit I pretty much love everything from them. Their last three albums have been excellent.
He would enjoy Gods Of Rapture even more, it has that fusion sounding solo section.
i certainly don't disagree with the 'monotonous' description lol, but i think that's what my brain likes about it! i love seeing different people's reactions to music. many folks would understandly find this jarring and discombobulating. seems to have opposite effect for me. the speed, repetition and dissonance i find soothing and comforting. 🥰
It's monotonous in the same way a metronome used for meditation is monotonous.
You're right. It's not monotonous, it's repetitive, in a hypnotic kind of way. I saw an interview with Tomas Haake where he explained that the repetition in their music is very much intentional, because you get in a sort of hypnotic state because of it.
...you forgot meditative.
monotonous doesn't have to be something negative
@@xenonvinc Monotonous has negative connotation. There are better ways to describe it when something stays the same for a while that are more positive.
Metronomes are calibrated using this song.
You should check out the live version where you get to see Tomas Haake playing this song with the light show synced up to the drums.
The light show is also performed! The technician that does their lights is also next level good.
Atomic clocks are calibrated by this song
"Are you ready? You're not ready." No truer words spoken.
I totally know what he means about the repetitive sound being like a jackhammer. When I was new to Meshuggah, this stuff was exhausting. Then, once I knew the structure of the song and that their time signatures are almost always 4/4, it really started to click and didn't just sound like a constant assault on the eardrums.
not as exhausting as meta (car bomb). That album physically hurts to get through
I just saw them live in Grand rapids Michigan last night. They actually played "bleed" last night for the first time since 2017 that I know of. It was my second time seeing them. It was an excellent show. I'm very sore today LOL getting old but I can still. 🤘
They played Bleed in 2018 and 2019 as well but then they stopped playing shows until last year and only brought Bleed back to their setlist on this past tour
So jealous
I had never heard of them before, and got the opportunity to see them as an opening act for System of a Down in 2001. It was epic, and morphed my idea of heavy music tremendously. When they came out, we thought they were the roadies for the next band though 😂.
I just saw them in Seattle on Black Friday. They played Bleed and Demiurge as their encore. It was great. I also was sore for a couple days after the show. 🤘😁👍
I was also at the grand rapids show but mainly went to see In Flames and Whitechapel. I wasn't too familiar with Meshuggah but it didn't take long for me to understand why they were the main headliner. They were absolutely insane.
i love that we get the richard cam too in the corner
It's harsh in the first time - yet still come back and listen in some self-sadistic rush - you start to diggin it and like. That's how it works.
Would be cool to see reaction to some Tigran Hamasyan stuff, like Leviation 21.
Jazz pianist influenced by Meshuggah, Tool (among others)
Richard: "You ready?... You're not ready"
Entire Comment Section: "Correct lol"
Fredrik Thorendal's melodies and guitar work in general was what originally turned me on to Meshuggah back in the Destroy Erase Improve days. Bleed really is just a monster of a song though lol
This duo is so entertaining :D Cheers from Finland my guys
Meshuggah are really amazing. First of all, I've never seen someone talking shit about them. Second, they never miss to tear shit up when I don't feel like listening to anything else, I just can't get tired of them. Plus they sound just like the studio version when they're playing live. True geniuses!
Just saw them live on tour with my favourite band in flames.
This song has to be one of the best metal songs ever right? After he says it’s growth I literally cannot resist making a grossed out face and headband its wild
Nothing is funnier to me than seeing a trained musician of any sort hearing Meshuggah and watching them become physically confused on the timing.
It's certainly confusing why people would listen to a song that goes nowhere interesting for that long haha. Meshuggah has way better songs, but people like to watch reactions to Bleed because "bro the drums are difficult!".
This is childs play for a trained jazz fusion musician. He didnt look confused btw, that was cringe lol.
"Take a jack hammer, and just put it on my head" welcome to Meshuggah 😄
Great stuff. Glad your friend is open to it!!!!
I dont remember if youre already familiar with Dimmu Borgir, but those orchestral live versions would be right in your wheelhouse(?), atleast i would think so
What song should we start with?
@@Greatmeasures Id personally go with "Progenies of the great apocalyspe" or " Gateways" from their live dvd "Forces of the northern night". Im pretty sure they also have a Wacken consert with orchestra so those songs might also be on their setlist there.
@@GreatmeasuresAm I a joke to you, Richard? "Progenies of the Great Apocalypse" live at Spektrum. 😎 "We add the song to the list, just for you" You hurt my feelings, Richard. 😭🤭🤣
@@Loendt that’s right! So sorry about that. We’re actually filming at the theater tomorrow. I’ll make sure we do it first thing in the morning. 🤘
@@Greatmeasures YES!!!!!!!!! 🤘💥💫
This song is just a crushing wall of sound that seems like it's all coming from one instrument or object of some sort
You absolutely lucky bastard. I see you seeing the music! I see that! Lucky duck!!! I can’t even use my minds eye and you’re out here organizing and analyzing sounds visually.
I like how the guy with black shirt is just out there vibing
Completely understand where you are coming from, Judson. It took me a while to get into them, now they are a good band to unwind with, for me.
When I was still playing shows I would make a habit of going up for the opening bands and be sure to show my support. I would headbang, mosh, you name it. One night, I was moshing and my knee got stepped on sideways, and I went down. Didn't injure myself but I had to go on stage with a crazy banged up knee. The whole show I stood stock still, glued to my mic stand, scared to even shift my weight in case I fell over. That was the day I decided I was done moshing.
This song, however, is on my list of exceptions. If i ever end up at a Meshuggah show, I will throw myself at this song.
😂 I’m picturing you throwing yourself AT the song.
I feel this one man. When I used to work retail I was unloading freight and very randomly I turned but my knee didn't and all I hear was a click noise my knee completely gave in. I was heavily into smoking pot at the time so I couldn't go to the hospital for fear of failing the immediate drug screen they always give. It was a strange experience because it didn't hurt but I kept waiting for the rush of pain that did eventually hit me a little while later. I took myself to the local hospital after work to make sure I didn't do any damage he said the cartilage in my knee was all fucked up so yah I should probably find a different job otherwise I will have knee surgery probably within the next 3-5 years.
Seeing them in 2 weeks, apparently on this tour the encore is bleed and demiurge. I feel like I should just stretch the rest of the show and prepare for the encore pit lol
@@swarthygiant1463So how was it?
Should have him listen to "I" in full. Lol its a gift that keeps giving for 20min. Straight! 🤘
If ever there was a song ruined by the internet, Bleed is right up there.
14:30 lies - he’s getting in his car and going to rock out to this song on his way home 😜 albeit with his mini head banging and crossed legs. He loved it “secretly” 😂
Hell yeah, love the channel! I look forward to seeing what you listen to every time
Thank you!
I think he's ready for "The Dillinger Escape Plan" now... lol
I never know if I enjoy this song or not, it’s really a mood song it can sound amazing one day & gets your head banging but on another you wonder why you put it on as you feel a headache coming on.
I can't really enjoy it since every time I put it on, I'm not really listening to it as much as I am studying it.
I feel that with music in general.
Mood/context can drastically alter the effect of a song.
I feel like his ability to dissect a song on his first listen is amazing. I have to hear albums like 10 times, with all songs in memory, before I can analyze anything about it. He just notices that stuff so fast.
I feel ‚dissect‘ is a bit much. What did he actually say there? IMO not that much apart from „this and that was cool“..
@@2freet I'm not talking about his opinion. He seems to try and be pretty objective. I'm talking about how he notices so many intricacies in the song. Obviously anyone would notice the main rhythmic pattern, but he notices the variations of it, and very subtle things like the octave note that only joins the pattern for like one verse. Also he can pretty much instantly find the key and melody of the song, which is not as easy as you might think. Find a song that you've never heard before, listen to it once, and then when you're done, try and list 5 things about its rhythm/melody/structure. Extra hard if you pick a Meshuggah song.
i dont wanna be that guy, but those are basic skills of any decent musician. it's a big part of their job. what do you think a session player is expected to do when he has to learn a repertoir of several songs on very short notice, sometimes in the rehearsal? whip out pen and paper and analyse the song for half an hour to find it's key? and the rest you listed...hell, even i can do that easily and i'm nowwhere near the level of any of those guys in a million years. @@DM-pv4rw
There's a difference between a music lover/listeners ear to a musicians ear to a classically trained musicians ear. Musicians listen to what's happening musically and break down what's happening as opposed to the aesthetics of how the overall sound is presented. Basically a musician can identify skills and ingenuity and pay props even though they might not be into the style
Classical music and metal music
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killer videos, 11/10.
Break Those Bones Whose Sinews Gave It Motion
"you're not ready" :smug face: LOL
Another suggestion for analysis, reaction, musically far superior in all aspects compared to this Meshuggah song: Death "Symbolic" (from the 1995 album "Symbolic"). Absurd thing in every way, in every aspect. Progressive Death Metal Elite!!!
Great videos as always, thank you! Any Between the Buried and Me on the horizon?
Saw them perform this live a couple weeks ago, and it was incredible! The whole show was.
Incase you guys didn't know,
Meshuggah is Yiddish for; Crazy, Insane, or non-sensical...
As in;
"If Jetson had to listen to this for the rest of his life, he would become Meshuganuh."
the pianists' little improvisation in the beginning got me 100% invested in his perspective.
And Thomas be looking chill throughout that drum cam video too, and no shoes or socks xD
first reaction channel/content i actually enjoy watching :)
Just throwing this out there....Mors Principium Est - The Unborn. Tracks - Pure or The Unborn. For me, it's still some of the best melo. death I've heard, the whole album is beautifully brutal....if there is such a thing, lol.
Keep em comin' guys!!! Cheers 🍻
Solid band tbh. Those guys and The Forsaken kinda get lost in the shuffle. Nothing really groundbreaking, but good stuff.
"We are the Sleep" is one of my favorite songs I return to every couple months, and it stays in my head for a week afterward.
04:06 "Are you ready? "Proceed Richard" "You're not ready"
08:54 Judson was in fact, *not ready*
Great video guys!
Judson has one of the coolest voices I've ever heard.
Loved how he tried to get a grasp of what fred's solo scale was just to realize the bastard shreds chromatically.
This guy just got given a math problem he can't even begin to solve.
The involuntary twitching at the beginning and throughout!! :D
Man I would pay so much money to watch Judson react to the entirety of Catch 33
brand new to the channel so I dont really know what music you guys usually play, but id personally love to see you guys analyze car bomb’s “lights out” or frontierer’s “heirloom”. theyre both extremely complex songs (mathcore); basically this but more intense and confusing.
also, not very similar to bleed, but any of paledusk’s more recent releases would be interesting as well.
It's amazing how deliberate Meshuggah's music is. His description is basically what they were going for lol What is feels like to have an aneurysm. And the infamous pattern is called the "herta" and while it shares similarity with a triplet form it actually is RL-R-L (8th note and 1/4 note). In repetition the bar crossovers end up making it feel like triplets.
Meshuggah is perhaps the most intriguing band out there. There's been a lot of jazz fusion influence in their sound, unless I'm mistaken, since forever. The vocal is "hermetic", "straight", "colorless". But I consider it a bold, avant-garde, interesting, disconcerting, intriguing sound. But it's not a "fun" sound to listen to, it's very "cerebral", like playing chess, I don't know. The current Sepultura I find much more interesting, and also has very complex arrangements and songs, but, of course, they are very different styles. Anyway, I can't come to the conclusion whether I like Meshuggah or not. But I recognize that they have a unique, "special" sound, not necessarily "catchy". OK, the band has excellent musicians and a drummer, Tomas Haake, who is impressive, although Sepultura's drummer Eloy Casagrande is superior for certain subtle details. The person who had the courage to take on this was the exceptional drums/percussion and performance specialist of drummers, Andrew Rooney, from New Zealand, who is also a very nice person...
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i disagree, Jens might sound colorless to someone untrained in listening to Jens screaming,
Jens adds a lot of emotions and texture to Meshuggah`s music. But for a beginner for listening to Meshuggah, it can help to view Jens as simply an extention of Tomas Haake`s drumming.
I personally love Meshuggah i think they are one of the most important metal bands in the entire history of metal and they are the band most responsible for the modern sound of metal.
Sepultura hasn`t been interesting since Max and Iggor left
Meshuggah is overrated, and everything you see in it is your own personal delusion.
@kahwigulum overrated by whom? Haake is a beast on drums and if you ask a drummer, they will agree.
But as for the band, there are a lot more fans of Tool, Slipknot, Dream Theater, etc. Are you just focusing on a handful of people somewhere?
@@thetruth4654 You're out of the loop, man. Appearances can be deceiving and you need to learn to respect plausible, reasonable opinions that differ from your own. I know and have Meshuggah's records since their first LP in 1991 "Contradictions Collapse", when the band had a clear influence from Metallica, and was also influenced by jazz fusion. Why have several people already liked my main message??? I and everyone who liked my post would be "wrong"??? Of course not!!! If you revere Meshuggah, that's fine. But even the current Sepultura is superior, more interesting, has a more dynamic, more "colorful" sound. Meshuggah's sound is indeed "cerebral", "hermetic", which is not "fun", "catchy", the vocalist has a "straight" style, "without colors", but they are excellent musicians, a band that can be considered "avant-garde", "unique", "disconcerting", and that it has an impressive drummer, but I have already highlighted that it is a fact that Eloy Casagrande (Sepultura) is superior due to several subtle details. If you want to accept this counterpoint, this plausible, reasonable dissenting opinion: great. If you don't want to accept it, this is called "fanaticism" (which is, in practice, synonymous with "blindness"), in this case, in relation to Meshuggah. Fact.
Another suggestion for analysis, reaction, musically far superior in all aspects compared to this Meshuggah song: Death "Symbolic" (from the 1995 album "Symbolic"). Absurd thing in every way, in every aspect. Progressive Death Metal Elite!!!
awwww, you caught us jackhammer-to-our-head lovers !!!!
Oh fuck yeah! I have that Municipal Waste shirt too
Try Oscillation Cycles by Blotted Science. Ron uses a 12 tone row - where every note is used. The song is the same pattern repeated forwards and in reverse at diferrent tempos. Ron is the craziest composer in metal. If you are up to it his solo album - Solitarily Speaking Of Theoretical Confinement, is 45 songs meshed into one kind of like what Meshuggah did with Catch 33. Rigidude, Static Chromatic and Erratic Chromatic are some other interesting ones.
Homie's reaction is still my reaction every time i listen to this song hahah
I thought he was going for his phone to searched...but just readjusted. This song is insane.
When I see you both, it seems you are great friends with deep complicity ; it's nice !
This song is an absolute masterpiece.
Math metal is cool, but I should have listened to Spasm
I would say this lands solidly in the groove metal category. Solid chunky groove the entire track. Reminiscing some of the Far Beyond Driven album or even some Ashes Of The Wake type of Grooves
That double kick pattern is VERY Vinnie, almost like Becoming with that almost off time kick
Nice ..MW..IM from Richmond va and remember these guys thrashing downtown.when I was 16...
I am autistic. This video is for autistic people.
I remember first hearing "Future Breed Machine" on winamp player on my PC years back.
Scared the crap out of me and awe inspiring all at the same time.
It's a contemplative song, It's like a Ritual, a trip. A rythm trip where musicians that are just living through the harmony or lyrics sometimes could just not enter the trip, and it's okay. But to who Immerse the trip... it drives you to a different place.
I like how the gent in the corner is just vibing out in the top corner to the glory that is Meshuggah
When 3 people are bangin' to 3 different rhythms and they're all on the beat, you know you're listening to Meshuggah.
Music for Epileptics.
(You Epileptics know what I'm talking about)
Meshuggah are very unique
Off kilter polyrhythmic kinetic and oh so chaotic.
Fun stuff.
I love Metal.
It's great to see the Meshuggah fan actually bobbing his head and smiling at the heaviness. Brings a tear of joy to my eye.
I hope you guys will do more from this band as they are one of the more unique bands out there. A song like Rational Gaze or Nebulous would be very interesting.
Seeing them live in Boston this Saturday.. ear-plugs? check. calculator? check. scratch paper? check.
The grin at 7:07 :)
I can appreciate this video just because it didn't stop the song in the middle.
That is the kind of torture the KGB used.
Maybe he would like Straws Pulled at Random, that one is rather melodious
Oh man I've been waiting for some Meshuggah. So many songs to recommend, I'd love to see They Move Below
I keep coming back cause it sounds like a sweet Harley idling.
Meshuggah is an aquired taste... I remember the first time I heard them and it was the vocals I didnt care for. It tooka couple gateway bands to get back to them, and now I can't get enough. I hope to catch them again next time theyre back in Phoenix... but again, not everyone's cup of tea.
I don’t blame him. I like Meshuggah but always felt like this one was a bit too much of the same thing. So many more interesting songs in their catalog
showing him the video 'i wonder where that blood comes from' could be cute to see.