You are making amazing vehicles. You have amazing skills! But i have never see you just once painting something 😂 So many awesome projects left to rust
You are such a great fabricator, I love binging your videos while I’m in the shop. You keep me motivated. Also the best music in the game. It always delivers.
I just did a quick look on google for a flexible steering shaft and there looked to be some great options. They would probably need to modified but I don't think that would be a problem for you. It would help to get rid of some of the u-joints. Hope this helps in the future of this build and future builds also.
spc , allstar performance , qa1 and moog parts make adjustable ball joints we use them for oval track cars . prius electric steering/3 wire ecu with a borgeson 312500 adaptor is the way to go for steering !
Something to think about when putting the power steering on the axle is it water proof mud, creek crossing other harsh environments could be a problem, just a thought. Love watching you do your project and all your enthusiasm. 👍👍✌️🇺🇲✌️
11:29 personally, i think both are good. Just depends on what you're doing with them. Some project benefit from one type of articulation, some from another, there's even projects where you can use both, so enhance a specific feature of the steering.
Chris, awesome project. Maybe you should consider the pinion angle of the front diff. you made a 10 deg caster angle but now the front driveshaft would not be straight at the pinion. you can give it a little more angle so the pinion will be directly toward the transfer case. Thank you for your videos. love them.
Also, seems nowadays youd be able to find a pretty beefy electric rack from a prius or something in a scrapyard. steering power is paramount in a rock crawler.
Putting the power steering on the axle would save a lot of problems but it would also create more, the main one i can see is with water and if it is not 100% water proof then the second you go throw a deep puddle it could stop working or worse malfunction
What about putting the power steering on the frame just not at the steering wheel but at the bottom so that the shaft comes off it and goes to the rack & pinion . That way it would only be going through 2 U-joints like it would be in any other setup.
Big thing vs Heim and Ball joints is that ball joints tend to fail spectacularly when they go. A lot of the time a heim joint will still hang on even if its super sloppy and wont hold for long. Could be the difference between sliding to a safe stop or sliding into a tree
Not saying one is better than the other, like anything really, the application and execution matters more than the physical characteristics of the part itself
I feel like the power steering closer to the rack in pinion is much better than mounting on the buggy. I don't have nearly the experience with building vehicles with power steering but I have built many many CNC machines and you get jitter when you have too much play between your motor and your "end effector" which in your case is the rack and pinion/hubs. I don't know if its at all the same but if it is I think its worth it to modify the power steering or maybe even get one of those stupid expensive off the shelf ones that are already smaller and start there. But you know 10,000 times more than me about building vehicles stuff! So I'm sure you'll know the way to go based on all the factors we can't really fully understand because we aren't building it!
Did you know that by lowering your bans saw guide, that it won't turn has much and prevent making you having to compensate as much? You could even set a "straight edge" to cut perfectly straight lines! The closer you lower your band saw guide, to your piece, the better, like 1/16 1/8!
I have several race quads all with custom front suspension the ones with ball joints handle in my opinion way better than the ones I have with heim joints
I know u prolly thought about this but how about an electric steering pump with a steering ram? Just my suggestion they do have different sizes of hydraulic rams check into it
what about hydraulic steering? then you could run hoses from the steering box at the steering wheel and out to the box on the axle and not need to deal with extra u joints and such. As far as tighter steering radius goes, we use something in the radio controlled crawler scene called a "dig setup". It completely locks up the rear driveshaft of the truck and allows you to pivot on an axis by dragging the rear end around. im not sure if they use that type of setup on full size trucks though.
Can you quickly go over how that suspension is supposed to work with no coils whatsoever? Seems like if that rig had had a functioning suspension it would have been one of your ultimate builds.
@@ExoPhaz Fluid dampening will not replace the coils of a functional suspension. The question is rhetorical. The suspension on this buggy absolutely does not perform properly and a lack of coils is the reason.
It's too bad you don't have a small inventory of parts. especially parts you use often, so you don't have to wait for parts to show up. at least the parts you needed this time showed up just in reasonable time.
This is gonna be good! Chris is in the la bore a tory again!! How do I get the accent on that right?? Hmmm, just crossed my mind... A couple Subaru rear diffs could be the Superman units for these builds... Just a thought. Caster at 10° will work.
Im gonna say your channel watching you fab& machining part i just love it & learn stuff . I watch alot of y t . & your doing alot of awsome work & im probably on the a similar style of creativity is probably why I enjoy it. Soo much . Im good ! Butbyour next level. I watch ghpc also . Id be out building, but my back from a punk pulling out in front of me . Enjoy what you have , it could be gone tomorrow.
With all do respect to all other RUclipsrs… you are the smartest man on RUclips. Mark Rober has nothing on you. Love watching you guys build projects like this.
only thing i question is the motorcycle disk brakes. they have to transfer a lot of energy and motor and imo might be up to the task but seem inadequate, but then again im sitting in a pc chair and just doing all the motors in my in mind and not building anything then advanced depression... so yeah
I wonder if there was a way to redo the whole steering column to make it so you only have 3 ujoints? That's about how many normal road vehicles have. What would be cool if there was a way you could instead have hydraulic power steering where you have a cylinder at the front that would do all the steering, then instead of a steering column, you would have hydraulic lines going to an orbital valve on the steering wheel, but you would need either an electric hydrualic pump or something to get the fluid moving. Least then, if you really wanted 4 wheel steering, it wouldn't take much to do the same for the rear then it would just be to swap the lines around to get the steering to go the opposite direction as the front. Maybe a bit much now, but incase you ever build one with a car engine, then it would be possible.
That is something that I hate about eBay, a lot of sellers don't give good descriptions of the items they are selling. such as dimensions of the items. (an example) is not long ago I looking into a new phone. because I'm hard on phones. and I think I would safe to say that nearly half the sellers. don't have the size of the screen in their disciption. which strikes me as really strange since that's the first thing that any person would ask. in regards to a phone, is what size is the screen. and they don't put it in the discription. but that's just one of my hates about eBay. if I had an archdroid/arkdroid what ever way it's spelled. I would use the hell out of it. there's quite number of brackets, braces, gussets, and oh so many other things that can be made with It. Ethan at GHPC uses theirs all the time. and John and Ike at cars and cameras have the Langford system. it's slightly different but they use it quite a bit. oh yeah I almost forgot, don't like ball joints either. they are too application specific. I'm curious to see how much better the rock crawler will be after the upgrades?
Looks like your ackerman is going to be wrong with the way you have it now. Maybe consider hydrostatic steering instead of using a rack, and all those joints.
Are the spindles mounted opposite sides compared to the original application? Asking because the steering arms look like they're shaped for a rear steer application, and looks like you're going front steer. If true, the ackerman geometry will be way off, causing really poor steering.
@@ratherBweldingChris I was able to heat and bend the steering arms to correct the ackerman on a drag race car I converted from rear to front steer with rack and pinion.
I'm surprised you didn't design it so most of the outer cage was tucked up higher, like, as in, the lowest point doesn't need to hang any lower than the axle shaft itself, leaving just the diff to hang down as low as it does, not the entire assembly. nice work otherwise.
"Prius Electric Steering Controls" are meant to be mounted inline with the steering shaft. Period. It's been mentioned MANY times that Voltage adjusts the steering input strength. Period. IT Is Adjustable By Voltage Inputs. Period. I Could reiterate the POINT, but that's Redundant. Unless the Person Using a part does Not Get The POINT. You may want to pass this on to someone using an Electric Steering Unit that can understand this. It may even help You with your builds too.
You really should start with a totaled small 4 wheel drive car, truck, or SUV and just gut it and use the transmission and engine possibly, but more importantly the breaks, axels, drive shafts, steering... Then you could focus on building the frame and roll cage and doing upgrades like tires and axels. While you builds are OK they are not reliable. This way you would know the parts work together and you do not have to worry about buying the wrong thing. Also no chains is a good thing.
He has addressed this very topic in full detail before. He wants to eventually do something like that but he's limited by space in his shed n he never did any kind of upgrades to the shed for something like a hoist for moving things around cuz he never intended to stay in the shed. N now he's wanting to find a new house with some land n privacy where he can build a ship that'll be better suited to making bigger projects but as I'm sure you're aware the housing market isn't exactly a buyers market right now
@@benmiller5015you are correct, I’m still looking to buy my own property to build a bigger better shop but the prices of homes has doubled to almost tripled in the last three years
My Sunday is just not complete without a new RBW video!
Just like church on Sunday
Toy Church!!
About mid afternoon I start to constantly check for an upload
@@TheActiontech I do too! There are a few channels I like to follow for good content.
You are making amazing vehicles.
You have amazing skills!
But i have never see you just once painting something 😂
So many awesome projects left to rust
@@masterofpatent they only rust if you slow down.
That arc Droid machine is killer. Going from cardboard to plasma cut brackets without coding a cnc table seems like my kinda process.
Very good 👍
You are such a great fabricator, I love binging your videos while I’m in the shop. You keep me motivated. Also the best music in the game. It always delivers.
Its 11am here in New Zealand and the video has been up for a hour. Time for a coffee
I’m from NZ too! 🇳🇿
Its 6am here and its time for cup a tea 👨🔧👋🇫🇮
'We definitely don't have to modify something.' On the CV axles, don't speak too soon Chris, you know what happens when you say that.
You could design the front of the axle to simulate a wedge/skid plate kind of thing. So it doesn't hit the rocks head on, it has a rake to it.
I just did a quick look on google for a flexible steering shaft and there looked to be some great options. They would probably need to modified but I don't think that would be a problem for you. It would help to get rid of some of the u-joints. Hope this helps in the future of this build and future builds also.
Olá amigo gostei das alterações,muito bom trabalho como sempre!!!
Boa sorte sempre!!!
spc , allstar performance , qa1 and moog parts make adjustable ball joints we use them for oval track cars . prius electric steering/3 wire ecu with a borgeson 312500 adaptor is the way to go for steering !
Something to think about when putting the power steering on the axle is it water proof mud, creek crossing other harsh environments could be a problem, just a thought. Love watching you do your project and all your enthusiasm. 👍👍✌️🇺🇲✌️
watching the video at 12am from Galicia. Greetings.
11:29 personally, i think both are good. Just depends on what you're doing with them. Some project benefit from one type of articulation, some from another, there's even projects where you can use both, so enhance a specific feature of the steering.
Good improvements on the mini rock crawler.
I like when you take a kind of good build and make it very good.
Chris, awesome project.
Maybe you should consider the pinion angle of the front diff. you made a 10 deg caster angle but now the front driveshaft would not be straight at the pinion. you can give it a little more angle so the pinion will be directly toward the transfer case.
Thank you for your videos. love them.
It would be soooo cool if you built a Weller SR1 race UTV. Looks like you could do in your shed as well. Thank you for the great content!!!
Also, seems nowadays youd be able to find a pretty beefy electric rack from a prius or something in a scrapyard. steering power is paramount in a rock crawler.
Putting the power steering on the axle would save a lot of problems but it would also create more, the main one i can see is with water and if it is not 100% water proof then the second you go throw a deep puddle it could stop working or worse malfunction
Lookes like it will still have good akimin angle on the steering with one side being limited
What about putting the power steering on the frame just not at the steering wheel but at the bottom so that the shaft comes off it and goes to the rack & pinion . That way it would only be going through 2 U-joints like it would be in any other setup.
Looking good bud
Big thing vs Heim and Ball joints is that ball joints tend to fail spectacularly when they go. A lot of the time a heim joint will still hang on even if its super sloppy and wont hold for long. Could be the difference between sliding to a safe stop or sliding into a tree
Not saying one is better than the other, like anything really, the application and execution matters more than the physical characteristics of the part itself
I probably made those ball joints 😂 i worked at the company that made them for polaris
Well done!
I feel like the power steering closer to the rack in pinion is much better than mounting on the buggy. I don't have nearly the experience with building vehicles with power steering but I have built many many CNC machines and you get jitter when you have too much play between your motor and your "end effector" which in your case is the rack and pinion/hubs. I don't know if its at all the same but if it is I think its worth it to modify the power steering or maybe even get one of those stupid expensive off the shelf ones that are already smaller and start there. But you know 10,000 times more than me about building vehicles stuff! So I'm sure you'll know the way to go based on all the factors we can't really fully understand because we aren't building it!
Did you know that by lowering your bans saw guide, that it won't turn has much and prevent making you having to compensate as much? You could even set a "straight edge" to cut perfectly straight lines! The closer you lower your band saw guide, to your piece, the better, like 1/16 1/8!
Ball joints have a much longer service life than heim joints and don’t require as much maintenance
i miss the old simple builds with 1 chain..... been watching for years i think about 7 or 8 years... the mini green atv
good job i love it
Mod the steering. You already envision it. Just do it cuz you are capable of it!
THANKS A LOT
I can tell you a steering unit off of a 2007 is compact and would work perfect just make sure you get the BCM to operate it!
I have several race quads all with custom front suspension the ones with ball joints handle in my opinion way better than the ones I have with heim joints
I know u prolly thought about this but how about an electric steering pump with a steering ram? Just my suggestion they do have different sizes of hydraulic rams check into it
what about hydraulic steering? then you could run hoses from the steering box at the steering wheel and out to the box on the axle and not need to deal with extra u joints and such. As far as tighter steering radius goes, we use something in the radio controlled crawler scene called a "dig setup". It completely locks up the rear driveshaft of the truck and allows you to pivot on an axis by dragging the rear end around. im not sure if they use that type of setup on full size trucks though.
I just realized Chris. You are the scratch builder! I
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Good late (in France 12 pm) Sun'day.
Can you quickly go over how that suspension is supposed to work with no coils whatsoever? Seems like if that rig had had a functioning suspension it would have been one of your ultimate builds.
they use fluid as dampening or whatever and have internal springs
@@ExoPhaz Fluid dampening will not replace the coils of a functional suspension. The question is rhetorical. The suspension on this buggy absolutely does not perform properly and a lack of coils is the reason.
It's too bad you don't have a small inventory of parts. especially parts you use often, so you don't have to wait for parts to show up. at least the parts you needed this time showed up just in reasonable time.
This is gonna be good! Chris is in the la bore a tory again!! How do I get the accent on that right??
Hmmm, just crossed my mind... A couple Subaru rear diffs could be the Superman units for these builds... Just a thought.
Caster at 10° will work.
It's a rock crawler, so you want the reverse of unsprung weight. So the power steering should always go on the axles.
Im gonna say your channel watching you fab& machining part i just love it & learn stuff . I watch alot of y t . & your doing alot of awsome work & im probably on the a similar style of creativity is probably why I enjoy it. Soo much . Im good ! Butbyour next level. I watch ghpc also . Id be out building, but my back from a punk pulling out in front of me . Enjoy what you have , it could be gone tomorrow.
Learning by doing at its finest
What about using "steer by wire" using 2 stepper motors stepper controllers and a micro controller?
14:12 why not put a skid plate on bottom of new axel to help prevent damage?
Love it so much keep it up as always 💘
Love the work you do have you tried steel it paint
Take the boots off next time during install and a bit of WD40. On a side note heim joint boots do wonders.
With all do respect to all other RUclipsrs… you are the smartest man on RUclips. Mark Rober has nothing on you. Love watching you guys build projects like this.
Hybrid ball joint with 4 verticle heim joints
only thing i question is the motorcycle disk brakes. they have to transfer a lot of energy and motor and imo might be up to the task but seem inadequate, but then again im sitting in a pc chair and just doing all the motors in my in mind and not building anything then advanced depression... so yeah
Damn bud u really need one of those tables from fireball tool
Have you ever tried both ball joints and hime joints
Bro. Try to find a VW buggy rack. Steering is really easy!
Can you use the ball joint pins and make a mount to connect your spherical joint to
now it's ok 👍, a real direrential
Hydrosteer would be ideal
4PM here
The knuckles are on the wrong sides swap them where tie rod connects on the backside
12 am here
Your a great fabricator . But dude you gotta to paint your stuff it's all rust buckets u have built 😢. Paint your stuff it's important
I wonder if there was a way to redo the whole steering column to make it so you only have 3 ujoints? That's about how many normal road vehicles have. What would be cool if there was a way you could instead have hydraulic power steering where you have a cylinder at the front that would do all the steering, then instead of a steering column, you would have hydraulic lines going to an orbital valve on the steering wheel, but you would need either an electric hydrualic pump or something to get the fluid moving. Least then, if you really wanted 4 wheel steering, it wouldn't take much to do the same for the rear then it would just be to swap the lines around to get the steering to go the opposite direction as the front.
Maybe a bit much now, but incase you ever build one with a car engine, then it would be possible.
That is something that I hate about eBay, a lot of sellers don't give good descriptions of the items they are selling. such as dimensions of the items. (an example) is not long ago I looking into a new phone. because I'm hard on phones. and I think I would safe to say that nearly half the sellers. don't have the size of the screen in their disciption. which strikes me as really strange since that's the first thing that any person would ask. in regards to a phone, is what size is the screen. and they don't put it in the discription. but that's just one of my hates about eBay.
if I had an archdroid/arkdroid what ever way it's spelled. I would use the hell out of it. there's quite number of brackets, braces, gussets, and oh so many other things that can be made with It. Ethan at GHPC uses theirs all the time. and John and Ike at cars and cameras have the Langford system. it's slightly different but they use it quite a bit.
oh yeah I almost forgot, don't like ball joints either. they are too application specific. I'm curious to see how much better the rock crawler will be after the upgrades?
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sparkler sticks?
I think some cars use an electric steering rack and pinion,
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This project needs to be 4ws
Looks like your ackerman is going to be wrong with the way you have it now. Maybe consider hydrostatic steering instead of using a rack, and all those joints.
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How about hydraulic steering? just a thought😅
How about a baja 1000 capable smart fortwo project. I have the donor car.
Are the spindles mounted opposite sides compared to the original application? Asking because the steering arms look like they're shaped for a rear steer application, and looks like you're going front steer. If true, the ackerman geometry will be way off, causing really poor steering.
You are correct, this is something I address in the next video
@@ratherBweldingChris I was able to heat and bend the steering arms to correct the ackerman on a drag race car I converted from rear to front steer with rack and pinion.
Why no hydronic steering?
I realize you aren't finished. I assume you will do a full-penetration weld on the shortened axle? Maybe even pre-heat and post-weld annealing?
Ackermann angle?
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I'm surprised you didn't design it so most of the outer cage was tucked up higher, like, as in, the lowest point doesn't need to hang any lower than the axle shaft itself, leaving just the diff to hang down as low as it does, not the entire assembly. nice work otherwise.
Why not machine pins an use Heim joints Anyway?
If you choose to put it on the axle you will need to waterproof it
Maybe you've said it before...
But why don't you protect the frames you build with rustproofing or paint?
He does once they are completely done and he knows he won't be changing anything. But all testing is done with a bare frame
why dont you make the wings on your welding table foldable, so you dont have to weld them on and cut them off?
I... have never heard someone say bolted off instead of unbolted... it bothered me way more than it should have
Daddy wants his shed back😅
Check out the uniball ball joint .look at toyota 4 runner style.
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Your ball joint mounts look a little sus... sorry
samurai axles would be less Wait and stronger already built. Change gear Ring and pinion easy
Look at all the measuring tools he uses, let's see someone that's only used CAD cam replicate that piece with no electronics 🤔
hydrolic power steering
Hydraulic steering
But you literally have the tools you need to find the size of the spindles... And bearings.
hydraulic steering
"Prius Electric Steering Controls" are meant to be mounted inline with the steering shaft. Period. It's been mentioned MANY times that Voltage adjusts the steering input strength. Period. IT Is Adjustable By Voltage Inputs. Period. I Could reiterate the POINT, but that's Redundant. Unless the Person Using a part does Not Get The POINT. You may want to pass this on to someone using an Electric Steering Unit that can understand this. It may even help You with your builds too.
Shot bearings on a rig that's been used maybe twice? That's not good.
Uh, so short ?
I mean you could make the video a little longer than 20 minutes and show how you actually built some of the stuff
Some people's attention span is like a nat
@@seapanda579 I know I get it
You really should start with a totaled small 4 wheel drive car, truck, or SUV and just gut it and use the transmission and engine possibly, but more importantly the breaks, axels, drive shafts, steering... Then you could focus on building the frame and roll cage and doing upgrades like tires and axels. While you builds are OK they are not reliable. This way you would know the parts work together and you do not have to worry about buying the wrong thing. Also no chains is a good thing.
He has addressed this very topic in full detail before. He wants to eventually do something like that but he's limited by space in his shed n he never did any kind of upgrades to the shed for something like a hoist for moving things around cuz he never intended to stay in the shed. N now he's wanting to find a new house with some land n privacy where he can build a ship that'll be better suited to making bigger projects but as I'm sure you're aware the housing market isn't exactly a buyers market right now
Shop not ship. Stupid keyboard app autocorrect bs
@@benmiller5015I thought Ship would signify that his projects would, in a breeze sail smoothly 😂
@@benmiller5015you are correct, I’m still looking to buy my own property to build a bigger better shop but the prices of homes has doubled to almost tripled in the last three years