Kaladin isn’t going to die. I feel more strongly about that than any other thing in the book. Thematically, I just don’t see how he can die. Brandon has spent 4 books getting Kaladin to overcome his depression, to find something to live for, to not carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. Kaladin having to sacrifice himself to save the world completely goes against that storyline.
Yeah, he spent all this time jumping in front of bullets to save people, and beating himself up when he survives and they die. It would be a terrible conclusion to his arc of learning to live with himself, only to jump in front of a bullet, but this time it works and he dies.
I think Kaladin will die, become a cognitive shadow and pull a Kelsier with Dalinar as his Vin. Then Kaladin and Vasher are going on an adventure. This will be Stormlight Secret History. Gonna be lit.
Knowing how seriously Sanderson takes his approach to mental health rep, I really don't see him ending Kal's character arc with a death that could be in any way read as self harm
I am very confident that Vasher won't die here. Because till now while he's been reference heavy it'd be a massive jump for Sanderson to actually resolve a major plot point via something completely described in another book. Vasher feels more endgame.
@@user-ez9ng2rw9c Agreed, I think Vasher's gonna give up his Divine Breath (I would guess to save/heal Adolin or Renarin from a Shardblade wound) at some point in Stormlight 6-10 Edit: or maybe, if Moash gets a redemption arc, he might heal his blindness?
@@TheCosmerenaut In a vacuum, perhaps not, but just like the Divine Breath use in Warbreaker, it depends on the situation. Healing one of them after a battle might not be significant, but saving them in the middle of one, perhaps even from a Shardblade having just killed them, might be very much so, I think. Edit: the Moash part is just speculation, I agree that wouldn't seem significant enough
@@TheCosmerenaut Was this ever stated? I always took it more to be a separate story that happens to explain who Vasher is. Plenty of stormlight fans don't read it and you'd pretty much have to to understand the significance of it if it happens in book 5. I'm sure we'll get heavier references. But references is all it'll be for now.
I’m really bored by the idea of Kaladin dying. It’s time, in my estimation, for writers to find ways to make “and they lived happily ever after” interesting, nuanced, complicated. But if anyone could make heroic sacrifice not unbelievably dull, it’s Sando.
I think it's both - the 5th ideal will be something self-sacrificial, Kaladin will swear it and level up, amd then he will try to sacrifice himself but fail somehow, which then provides another struggle (survivor's guilt) for him to grapple with as the story continues
His fith ideal could be acknowledging that others might be willing to die to protect him- that he isn’t always the one to shoulder sacrifice. “I accept that there will be times when others will protect me”
@@Atkion He's already struggled with Survivor's guilt since TWOK. His arc in ROW is really overcoming survivor's guilt. W&T isn't going to repeat the same thing again.
@@hubrisnxs2013 Gavinor wants revenge on Moash for killing his father, a fact brought up several times in Rhythm of War. He's too young to understand the full ramifications of his decision, but that wouldn't stop Todium from trading a now worthless piece for almost assured victory. Or, even better, a chance to spit in Dalinar's eye over his inability to understand sacrifice for the good of all.
We see one instance of it in Oathbringer when kaladin is fighting Amaram, and I'm guessing we'll see Szeth use it as part of being a skybreaker which would be awesome
Sorry but there's no way Odium is broken up/changes vessel again in back to back books, and Taravangian amounts to nothing... That would be so disappointing.
I mean this with all sincerity - if kaladin dies, im dnf'ing the book, and the rest of stormlight. I cant think of a thematically worse choice than spending 4000+ pages overcoming suicidal ideation, only to suddenly find a "good enough" reason to follow that ideation. It would completely shatter the central themes of the series so far, and probably give some of its audience some pretty upsetting feelings about their own real experiences.
@@bookreviewsfromareadingmac1148 that's why I said something like. I think bast on the one fifth ideal we know the 5th has to be extreme. Who know it might override the others
On Canticle, when Nomad thought he saw Kaladin in the storm, he worded it in a way that made it sound like it made sense to see Kal in a storm, but not on Canticle. This has all but completely convinced me that Kal will shift into a different form of existence. Whether its through dying, talking up a shard, merging with the Stormfather or replacing the stormfather when he inevitably is killed/unmade, he IS going to become a storm somehow
This was a fun video! Love me some Stormlight 5 predictions. First off, I’m in the camp that thinks “the entire thing happens during the ten days building up to the Contest of Champions.” I’ve just had that feeling ever since reading RoW when the ten days were called “the final ten days” (i.e. “The Musings of El). When you’ve got Oathgates and Windrunners who can fly about the map, I think travel times will be less of an issue than one might think. Regarding the Gavinor theory, I’ve had this longstanding guttural dislike for the theory, but I’ve seen enough evidence that I’ve had to grudgingly acknowledge that it is a real possibility for Stormlight 5. Renarin forcing Odium to break the contract is a really, really interesting thought, because most of the time fans talk about how Odium might get Dalinar to break his end of the contract. I do think there are elements of the contract that both sides can exploit. For example, in the event that Dalinar wins the Contest, Odium is to return Alethkar. But what if Venli, the Listeners and their chasmfiends invade Alethkar and turn it into homeland for Singers free of Odium’s influence? Then Odium won’t be able to return Alethkar because he no longer has Alethkar. That said, my prediction for Dalinar is that he either becomes a fused (in the event he loses the Contest) or a herald (in the event he wins). This seems to be foreshadowed by his Third Ideal which says, “If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man.” The fall could refer to death and the rise to resurrection, the words “each time” suggesting a cycle of multiple deaths and resurrections. Both heralds and fused undergo cycles of deaths and resurrections. I think Kaladin’s purpose in Shinovar will be to heal Ishar as opposed to trying to “kill or incapacitate” him, as I think there will need to be a new Oathpact, but perhaps with a twist. The Everstorm may provide the fused with too ready a form of access to Roshar to ever be sealed back to Braize, but a new Oathpact may seal them to the Rosharan system, thwarting Odium’s ambitions to send agents to the rest of the Cosmere. I hope you are wrong about all the honorspren dying because man, that would be devastating. But we did just get antiinvestiture and I do expect it to be used to devastating effect. You could be right and I’m not ready for it. I don’t think Kaladin will die. Just doesn’t feel right for his character arc which has been about putting “life before death.” Totally agree with you about Shallan’s mom, that “Nightblood is going to be hungry,” that we’ll see other honorblades used, Renarin and Rlain kissing and there being a process for restoring deadeye spren. And that was a really interesting thought about Vasher.
I highly doubt that, because for your average windrunner this..... is not a tough choice at all. I mean it is such a natural thought for them that I cannot imagine it being emotionally satisfying. Kaladin has been willing to die for a long time now.
@@neodigremoit’s not a tough choice but you still have to make that choice and have sworn all the other ideals already. I think it’s a fair prediction.
@@austinp9983 It's not a ridiculous prediction at all, but it doesn't seem to finish a journey for a Windrunner. Their first unique ideal is about protecting others. Then about protecting even people they dislike. They about not hating themselves if they can't save others. There is no revelatory throughline from that to sacrificing yourself. The only 5th ideal we know is the Skybreakers becoming the law, that is moving beyond their old limits and learning to trust their own judgements over another's. A similar reversal feels to me both more thematically appropriate, and more fitting for Kal's character. So something like "I will let people save me" or the ilk would fit better IMO.
@@neodigremo and given the only fifth Ideal we know is "I am the law", I think all fifth Ideals would go something as "I am the most at [insert whatever the Order represents]" so Kal's could be "I decide who is worth saving"
I disagree because kaladin always begins the books without the character development to swear that book's oath, and he's been willing to sacrifice himself for the whole series
I'm surprised you aren't a beta reader. Edit: The idea of Vasher "remaking" and Unmade sounds really, really cool. Sja-anat and Vasher in a scene together? Him giving up his divine breath to her? Omg
The final ideal of the with runner is probably something about giving people the tools to protect themselves. It brings the Windrunner oaths full circle like the skybreaker oaths
My completely insane theory. Spoilers for mistborn. Odium makes a deal with the ghost bloods, and their leader Kelsier shows up with the bands of mourning as the champion.
As a beta I love hearing your theories and watching all the comments. Especially when I see theories I had at some point or when one is dead on. It really makes for a fun experience.
My theory is that Kaladin dies and becomes a Cognitive Shadow. This will be the Stormlight Secret History. What Kaladin is doing in the back half of the series.
Dude, I'm twice a Paytch subscriber and absolutely respect you...but your take on Baby Champion is insane! First, Gav isn't a suckling child, and Second, Gav couldn't possibly be said to be a willing/consenting participant! Third, and most importantly, it's an awful and pointless way for Dalinar to lose. I don't LIKE the Chana stuff because it requires so many things to be true at the same time, but within the narrative it's possible and make sense. If Baby Champion is a thing it'd require the rules to be ignored (willing participant) and a death rattle to be wrong (suckling child is a Baby, not a 6 year old) to be right...if it's a thing I'll stop reading Sanderson books altogether and I really really really love and get a lot of meaning from Sanderson. But, yeah, you're probably right. Don't worry won't cancel just because I can't read the books anymore
If you stop reading a series that brings you joy because a single plot point didn't align with your perspective, then you're reading stories wrong. Go read nonfiction and broaden your horizons! Reading allows us to live through another's eyes... It's the cure. If you're being hyperbolic... Chill out. It's not that deep.
@ahobbitstail7022 yeah, I'm probably going to go with my own way, as this isn't a social dilemma where your opinion matters. Baby Champion is the absolute stupidest thing ever, for reasons rhetorical, narrative, and even within the rules established in a book. Going to your nonfiction recommendation, it'd be like if for a thousand pages the author built up a theory of the nature of debt and it's effect on humans, and then for the last two hundred pages it was just pictures of sharks with dicks fucking various landmarks on the Eurasian Steppes: it's absurd and stupid and undercut thousands of pages of effort put in by the reader
Odium has moash the person who killed Elhokar, leverage over gavinor. also there were not any legal rules on what consent dictated in the contract other than they agree to do it.
Kal ain't gonna die. Nomad is too smart to think that Kal could somehow be alive and contacting him. When he mistakes Wit for Kal it isn't hope that he lives, but him literally just wishing it was Kal that reaches out instead of Wit...At least that was my interpretation.
If Moash doesn't kick the bucket or redeem himself in some epic way in Stormlight book 5 then it'd be a major waste of effort relating to his character arc. This and Syl needs to smack the heck outa him at some point in the book (if she were to achieve a physical form as you predicted).
Still disagree that Gavinor is the champion for odium. Personally still think it’ll be adolin. The “suckling child” death rattle I argue can apply to both adolin and Gavinor, since gavinor isn’t really a “suckling child” anymore and is much older. Furthermore, so many of adolin main scenes are described with intense emotion or passion, often commenting that he puts little thought into his actions. AND we’ve been told repeatedly that he’s “not better than his father” which I feel is setting up that inevitable clash
With all due respect, I hate the “Gavinor is Odium’s champion” theory. It’s anti-climatic and, to be honest, a little stupid. I doubt Odium will like his odds hinging on Dalinar being a softie. It’s “only” the entire Cosmere being at stake here. Edit to add: and let’s not forget Gavinor is too old to be considered a “suckling child” anymore.
Kaladin wont die, syl will. When the shard of honor gets reformed, all honor spren get absorbed into the shard and Kaladin will have to deal with losing his best friend in the second arc
The champion will be a returned Elhokar to mirror the fight at the end of way of kings Prime :3 Dalinar refuses to kill him unlike Way of Kings Prime and becomes a Fused :3 but Szeth swears the 5th ideal and kill him before it could happen :3 Ghostblood intervention and Thadakar will show up :3
So my thoughts: Kaladin's fifth ideal would be, I think, about realizing people should not need his protection. It is the final step of the ideas if you think about it. The first was to protect those who need it, then protect without prejudice, followed by realizing he can't protect everyone. So the final step should be realizing he shouldn't be the one to defend everyone. I think Dalinar could potentially ask someone else to be a champion. It is true that he said he intends to be his own champion, but a lot can happen in 10 days. I think that the possibility is there because part of being a leader, which is what Dalinar's arc partially is, involves not taking every responsibility. Sometimes it is okay to acknowledge some things are better done by the authority of others. It is an issue he had was Amaram and Elokar, saying he gives them power but ultimately ignores it. So I could see him asking someone else to be his champion, maybe Szeth? I also don't think that freeing Ba-Ado-Mishram would solve the problems of the deadeyes, like was said in the video. I am curious mainly Cultivation as essentially she was the one influencing things from the shadows. Dalinar didn't serve Odium thanks to her intervention and at the same time, Taravangian ascended to Odium because of her. Literally the main opposing forces are what they are because of her. But why did she do all that? What is her intent? She also created Lift's unique edgedancer version. Why?? I also really really hope Shallan meets Kelsier. He is nothing like Mraize after all, from what we see in Lost Metal. I am curious if the two would talk, will he mentioned he knew a girl who was assertive like her? One he perhaps was close to? (Vin) And lastly, how would Szeth cleanse the shin? Would he have to fight his family? Would Nightblood goat him to a rampage in Shinovar? Who would he think is evil among the shin?
The more I realize about the extent of Cultivation's meddling, the more nervous I become. And a meeting between Shallan and Kelsier would be incredible.
What if kaladin doesnt die but gets sent to damnation to do what the heralds failed to do. And be tortured for eternity or release the desplations again
@@aka_shoyo5244 true but Kaladin would go willingly if it meant he can protect everyone. But i agree. It's a terrible fate and would put salt on the wound of readers
What if the suffering Kaladin has ALREADY faced on Roshar has desensitized him in a way, such that the "torture" in damnation is a reprieve? In a similar vein to allomantic savants in Mistborn.
Kaladins death would neither make sense nor work thematically. For most of his bloody story he has been totally down with death if it protects someone. He would happily lay down his life. His journey is about learning he has worth too and should be willing to save himself. His 5th ideal will not be about sacrificing himself but letting other save him or even saving himself over someone else. The 5th is supposed to be damn impossible to sware and that would be the thing that Windrunners struggle with the most since theyre all about saving others and selfless sacrifice.
I've got recap videos of Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, and Oathbringer on my channel, and I'm working on one for Rhythm of War for the next couple weeks.
I had a different theory(before the blurb came out): Contests of champions will still happen, Gavinor will still be odiums champion. But, Dalinar will lose and turn fused. In order to stop odium from getting access to the stormfather in the process , the stormfather will be deadeyed. Maya will become the first fully undeadeyed spren. deadeye stormfather will stop producing stormlight in highstorms, that leaves the coalition forces crippled for the most part. Kaladin will be giving therapy to Szeth in shinovar. Chana Davar, definitively. Then Odium brings in the rest of the everstorm and it hovers over the entire continent, and doesn't disappear. Renarin and rlain is confirmed I think. Kaladin will definitely swear the 5th ideal, death is a possibility. I don't think than anyone will ascend yet. Taln will be healed somehow, possibly kaladin therapy. BAM left odiums side before the false desolation when they got an old magic direct from cultivation. The honor spren death is on the table, but then again, we have only seen one radiant order at all in the future because we have only seen one radiant in the future. I think that Adolin will become a psuedo edgedancer and renarin will take up leadership of bridge 4 and the rest of the Kholin forces. It is unlikely that Thaidakar will show up directly because he still cannot get offworld up to 6 years later I think. (blurb kinda disquialied or at least threw into doubt the baby champion theory)
Why is no one considering that the Contest of Champions could end in a tie? It's the only outcome for which there are literally no clauses. I understand why people think Kaladin will die but like. Cmon ya'll. His entire character arc is literally to persevere and keep living and protecting. You think Brandon's gonna do all that character development and then make DYING the answer? Come on. I don't like the Gavinor/Adolin champion theories. They're just not really interesting, and I really don't think Adolin is that susceptible to Odium anyway. Renarin outsmarting Odium into making himself vulnerable is a really cool idea! I really REALLY hope you're wrong about the Honospren mass death. We've already had one in the Recreance, that's ENOUGH ;_; I absolutely agree about the deadeyes, and if Adolin is alive to see it he's gonna be the first to make it happen. Your idea about Vasher completing his purpose on Roshar is really interesting and kind of a terrifying look on Endowment.
My personal theory is that the Shards of Odium and Honor; if combined; would become either the Shard of Justice or the Shard of Revenge/Vengeance. Like Harmony/Discord it would depend on the Vessels attunement to one over the other. I don’t think it would happen now but later maybe
The holder may try to shift the Intent, but given that we've seen warlight already it would make sense if that was the inherent combination. Though Honor and Cultivation don't create towers, so there's definitely wiggle room.
@@TheCosmerenaut Yeah I always thought the name War light was just a man (parshendi) given name. So it does not necessarily have to mean War would be the combination of the Shards themselves. Also how is War an aspect of a person/god? Like yeah you can have conflict within yourself but those concepts are not nearly the same. And the Shard of Turmoil would be just kinda mid
If we are setting bets for characters most likely to die in WaT, for me it's: 1. Adolin 2. Syl 3. Moash 4. Someone from Bridge 4 we adore 5. Stormfather HUGE DROP OFF I think Dalinar loses the duel of the fates and becomes a Fused, and Kaladin is sidelined from the story another way, but I don't think either die in a traditional sense. Dalinar as a Fused and Kaladin ascending in some way seem more likely than dead (and I think Kal retiring to full time therapist for all of Roshar once his spren seems like a likely outcome
It's the old dude who's fascinated by humans and study them. Former holder of the title Vyre before he fell out of favor for some reason. He has metal plates in place of carapace. He kills The Pursuer for real in the end of the book.
Kaladin isn’t going to die. I feel more strongly about that than any other thing in the book. Thematically, I just don’t see how he can die. Brandon has spent 4 books getting Kaladin to overcome his depression, to find something to live for, to not carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. Kaladin having to sacrifice himself to save the world completely goes against that storyline.
Well put.
Yeah, he spent all this time jumping in front of bullets to save people, and beating himself up when he survives and they die. It would be a terrible conclusion to his arc of learning to live with himself, only to jump in front of a bullet, but this time it works and he dies.
I think Kaladin will die, become a cognitive shadow and pull a Kelsier with Dalinar as his Vin. Then Kaladin and Vasher are going on an adventure. This will be Stormlight Secret History. Gonna be lit.
Knowing how seriously Sanderson takes his approach to mental health rep, I really don't see him ending Kal's character arc with a death that could be in any way read as self harm
Good point.
I am very confident that Vasher won't die here. Because till now while he's been reference heavy it'd be a massive jump for Sanderson to actually resolve a major plot point via something completely described in another book. Vasher feels more endgame.
Though Warbreaker was written basically as a prequel to Stormlight, explaining why Vasher is on Roshar. So there has to be *something* there at least.
@@user-ez9ng2rw9c Agreed, I think Vasher's gonna give up his Divine Breath (I would guess to save/heal Adolin or Renarin from a Shardblade wound) at some point in Stormlight 6-10
Edit: or maybe, if Moash gets a redemption arc, he might heal his blindness?
That doesn't seem significant enough to me.
@@TheCosmerenaut In a vacuum, perhaps not, but just like the Divine Breath use in Warbreaker, it depends on the situation. Healing one of them after a battle might not be significant, but saving them in the middle of one, perhaps even from a Shardblade having just killed them, might be very much so, I think.
Edit: the Moash part is just speculation, I agree that wouldn't seem significant enough
@@TheCosmerenaut Was this ever stated? I always took it more to be a separate story that happens to explain who Vasher is. Plenty of stormlight fans don't read it and you'd pretty much have to to understand the significance of it if it happens in book 5. I'm sure we'll get heavier references. But references is all it'll be for now.
I’m really bored by the idea of Kaladin dying. It’s time, in my estimation, for writers to find ways to make “and they lived happily ever after” interesting, nuanced, complicated. But if anyone could make heroic sacrifice not unbelievably dull, it’s Sando.
I think it's both - the 5th ideal will be something self-sacrificial, Kaladin will swear it and level up, amd then he will try to sacrifice himself but fail somehow, which then provides another struggle (survivor's guilt) for him to grapple with as the story continues
His fith ideal could be acknowledging that others might be willing to die to protect him- that he isn’t always the one to shoulder sacrifice.
“I accept that there will be times when others will protect me”
@@Atkion He's already struggled with Survivor's guilt since TWOK. His arc in ROW is really overcoming survivor's guilt. W&T isn't going to repeat the same thing again.
There's definitely something in store for the "Son of Tanavast."
No mention of Cultivation…just the way they like it.
Still pulling strings behind the scenes.
I still think it won't be Gavinor... because that's super fucked up. Which also makes me think it might be because of that.
@@CHUCKLZLORD how Gavinor consent to it? Doesn't he need to be a willing participant?
@@hubrisnxs2013 Gavinor wants revenge on Moash for killing his father, a fact brought up several times in Rhythm of War. He's too young to understand the full ramifications of his decision, but that wouldn't stop Todium from trading a now worthless piece for almost assured victory. Or, even better, a chance to spit in Dalinar's eye over his inability to understand sacrifice for the good of all.
If anything, I don't think Sanderson is above doing that to us.
My hope is that we'll finally see the capabilities of the Surge of Division beyond just pyrography
We see one instance of it in Oathbringer when kaladin is fighting Amaram, and I'm guessing we'll see Szeth use it as part of being a skybreaker which would be awesome
He's got to go learn if from Nale though, which could be awkward...
Sorry but there's no way Odium is broken up/changes vessel again in back to back books, and Taravangian amounts to nothing... That would be so disappointing.
Fair point.
I mean this with all sincerity - if kaladin dies, im dnf'ing the book, and the rest of stormlight. I cant think of a thematically worse choice than spending 4000+ pages overcoming suicidal ideation, only to suddenly find a "good enough" reason to follow that ideation. It would completely shatter the central themes of the series so far, and probably give some of its audience some pretty upsetting feelings about their own real experiences.
Honestly, excellent point.
I think you meant Venli and her mom, not Leshwi.
Oh, did I say Leshwi? Yeah, Venli. Oops.
I think the 5 ideal of the wing runers will be something like "I decide who's worth saving"
And then doesn't save Moash
I prefer this over all other theorys about the 5th ideal.
@@prestonc9059 it will probably depends if he shows remorse to Kal, in my opinion
That feels like it goes against the third ideal though
@@bookreviewsfromareadingmac1148 that's why I said something like. I think bast on the one fifth ideal we know the 5th has to be extreme. Who know it might override the others
On Canticle, when Nomad thought he saw Kaladin in the storm, he worded it in a way that made it sound like it made sense to see Kal in a storm, but not on Canticle.
This has all but completely convinced me that Kal will shift into a different form of existence. Whether its through dying, talking up a shard, merging with the Stormfather or replacing the stormfather when he inevitably is killed/unmade, he IS going to become a storm somehow
This was a fun video! Love me some Stormlight 5 predictions.
First off, I’m in the camp that thinks “the entire thing happens during the ten days building up to the Contest of Champions.” I’ve just had that feeling ever since reading RoW when the ten days were called “the final ten days” (i.e. “The Musings of El). When you’ve got Oathgates and Windrunners who can fly about the map, I think travel times will be less of an issue than one might think.
Regarding the Gavinor theory, I’ve had this longstanding guttural dislike for the theory, but I’ve seen enough evidence that I’ve had to grudgingly acknowledge that it is a real possibility for Stormlight 5.
Renarin forcing Odium to break the contract is a really, really interesting thought, because most of the time fans talk about how Odium might get Dalinar to break his end of the contract. I do think there are elements of the contract that both sides can exploit. For example, in the event that Dalinar wins the Contest, Odium is to return Alethkar. But what if Venli, the Listeners and their chasmfiends invade Alethkar and turn it into homeland for Singers free of Odium’s influence? Then Odium won’t be able to return Alethkar because he no longer has Alethkar.
That said, my prediction for Dalinar is that he either becomes a fused (in the event he loses the Contest) or a herald (in the event he wins). This seems to be foreshadowed by his Third Ideal which says, “If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man.” The fall could refer to death and the rise to resurrection, the words “each time” suggesting a cycle of multiple deaths and resurrections. Both heralds and fused undergo cycles of deaths and resurrections.
I think Kaladin’s purpose in Shinovar will be to heal Ishar as opposed to trying to “kill or incapacitate” him, as I think there will need to be a new Oathpact, but perhaps with a twist. The Everstorm may provide the fused with too ready a form of access to Roshar to ever be sealed back to Braize, but a new Oathpact may seal them to the Rosharan system, thwarting Odium’s ambitions to send agents to the rest of the Cosmere.
I hope you are wrong about all the honorspren dying because man, that would be devastating. But we did just get antiinvestiture and I do expect it to be used to devastating effect. You could be right and I’m not ready for it.
I don’t think Kaladin will die. Just doesn’t feel right for his character arc which has been about putting “life before death.”
Totally agree with you about Shallan’s mom, that “Nightblood is going to be hungry,” that we’ll see other honorblades used, Renarin and Rlain kissing and there being a process for restoring deadeye spren. And that was a really interesting thought about Vasher.
Great predictions! Those ten days are going to be packed.
He’s going to die but the last ideal will be, “I will protect even if it means I sacrifice my life”. Then he will be a full radiant. Book it.
I highly doubt that, because for your average windrunner this..... is not a tough choice at all. I mean it is such a natural thought for them that I cannot imagine it being emotionally satisfying.
Kaladin has been willing to die for a long time now.
@@neodigremoit’s not a tough choice but you still have to make that choice and have sworn all the other ideals already. I think it’s a fair prediction.
@@austinp9983 It's not a ridiculous prediction at all, but it doesn't seem to finish a journey for a Windrunner. Their first unique ideal is about protecting others. Then about protecting even people they dislike. They about not hating themselves if they can't save others. There is no revelatory throughline from that to sacrificing yourself.
The only 5th ideal we know is the Skybreakers becoming the law, that is moving beyond their old limits and learning to trust their own judgements over another's. A similar reversal feels to me both more thematically appropriate, and more fitting for Kal's character. So something like "I will let people save me" or the ilk would fit better IMO.
@@neodigremo and given the only fifth Ideal we know is "I am the law", I think all fifth Ideals would go something as "I am the most at [insert whatever the Order represents]" so Kal's could be "I decide who is worth saving"
I disagree because kaladin always begins the books without the character development to swear that book's oath, and he's been willing to sacrifice himself for the whole series
I'm surprised you aren't a beta reader.
Edit: The idea of Vasher "remaking" and Unmade sounds really, really cool. Sja-anat and Vasher in a scene together? Him giving up his divine breath to her? Omg
If ever they want me, I'm available.
The final ideal of the with runner is probably something about giving people the tools to protect themselves. It brings the Windrunner oaths full circle like the skybreaker oaths
Ooh, I like that.
My completely insane theory. Spoilers for mistborn.
Odium makes a deal with the ghost bloods, and their leader Kelsier shows up with the bands of mourning as the champion.
The Bands would already be at the temple on Scadrial at this point, but that would be a crazy thing.
As a beta I love hearing your theories and watching all the comments. Especially when I see theories I had at some point or when one is dead on. It really makes for a fun experience.
My theory is that Kaladin dies and becomes a Cognitive Shadow. This will be the Stormlight Secret History. What Kaladin is doing in the back half of the series.
So many great theories packed into just 5 minutes. 👏👏
Dude, I'm twice a Paytch subscriber and absolutely respect you...but your take on Baby Champion is insane!
First, Gav isn't a suckling child, and Second, Gav couldn't possibly be said to be a willing/consenting participant! Third, and most importantly, it's an awful and pointless way for Dalinar to lose.
I don't LIKE the Chana stuff because it requires so many things to be true at the same time, but within the narrative it's possible and make sense.
If Baby Champion is a thing it'd require the rules to be ignored (willing participant) and a death rattle to be wrong (suckling child is a Baby, not a 6 year old) to be right...if it's a thing I'll stop reading Sanderson books altogether and I really really really love and get a lot of meaning from Sanderson.
But, yeah, you're probably right. Don't worry won't cancel just because I can't read the books anymore
If you stop reading a series that brings you joy because a single plot point didn't align with your perspective, then you're reading stories wrong. Go read nonfiction and broaden your horizons! Reading allows us to live through another's eyes... It's the cure.
If you're being hyperbolic... Chill out. It's not that deep.
@ahobbitstail7022 yeah, I'm probably going to go with my own way, as this isn't a social dilemma where your opinion matters.
Baby Champion is the absolute stupidest thing ever, for reasons rhetorical, narrative, and even within the rules established in a book.
Going to your nonfiction recommendation, it'd be like if for a thousand pages the author built up a theory of the nature of debt and it's effect on humans, and then for the last two hundred pages it was just pictures of sharks with dicks fucking various landmarks on the Eurasian Steppes: it's absurd and stupid and undercut thousands of pages of effort put in by the reader
Odium has moash the person who killed Elhokar, leverage over gavinor. also there were not any legal rules on what consent dictated in the contract other than they agree to do it.
I'm not saying I *want* it to happen, just that I think it will. Personally, I think "suckling child" is more metaphorical.
Kal ain't gonna die. Nomad is too smart to think that Kal could somehow be alive and contacting him. When he mistakes Wit for Kal it isn't hope that he lives, but him literally just wishing it was Kal that reaches out instead of Wit...At least that was my interpretation.
If Moash doesn't kick the bucket or redeem himself in some epic way in Stormlight book 5 then it'd be a major waste of effort relating to his character arc. This and Syl needs to smack the heck outa him at some point in the book (if she were to achieve a physical form as you predicted).
My predictions for stormlight .. I’m positive I’m correct… but I KNOW… that tons of booktubers will all begin posting on the same timeline.
Contents gotta be relevant!
Still disagree that Gavinor is the champion for odium. Personally still think it’ll be adolin.
The “suckling child” death rattle I argue can apply to both adolin and Gavinor, since gavinor isn’t really a “suckling child” anymore and is much older. Furthermore, so many of adolin main scenes are described with intense emotion or passion, often commenting that he puts little thought into his actions. AND we’ve been told repeatedly that he’s “not better than his father” which I feel is setting up that inevitable clash
Ooh, Adolin would be painful.
With all due respect, I hate the “Gavinor is Odium’s champion” theory. It’s anti-climatic and, to be honest, a little stupid. I doubt Odium will like his odds hinging on Dalinar being a softie. It’s “only” the entire Cosmere being at stake here.
Edit to add: and let’s not forget Gavinor is too old to be considered a “suckling child” anymore.
Kaladin wont die, syl will. When the shard of honor gets reformed, all honor spren get absorbed into the shard and Kaladin will have to deal with losing his best friend in the second arc
I don't think Kal is going to be meaningfully present in the second arc.
The champion will be a returned Elhokar to mirror the fight at the end of way of kings Prime :3
Dalinar refuses to kill him unlike Way of Kings Prime and becomes a Fused :3
but Szeth swears the 5th ideal and kill him before it could happen :3
Ghostblood intervention and Thadakar will show up :3
Ooh, bringing in Way of Kings Prime to support your argument! Gutsy!
I'm very fond of that death rattle, but Gavinor is *NOT* a suckling child. Kal's brother, on the other hand....
Don't you bring Oroden into this!
Something sure happens to Kaladin as is hinted at in The Sunlit Man.
Yup.
So my thoughts:
Kaladin's fifth ideal would be, I think, about realizing people should not need his protection. It is the final step of the ideas if you think about it. The first was to protect those who need it, then protect without prejudice, followed by realizing he can't protect everyone. So the final step should be realizing he shouldn't be the one to defend everyone.
I think Dalinar could potentially ask someone else to be a champion. It is true that he said he intends to be his own champion, but a lot can happen in 10 days. I think that the possibility is there because part of being a leader, which is what Dalinar's arc partially is, involves not taking every responsibility. Sometimes it is okay to acknowledge some things are better done by the authority of others. It is an issue he had was Amaram and Elokar, saying he gives them power but ultimately ignores it. So I could see him asking someone else to be his champion, maybe Szeth?
I also don't think that freeing Ba-Ado-Mishram would solve the problems of the deadeyes, like was said in the video.
I am curious mainly Cultivation as essentially she was the one influencing things from the shadows. Dalinar didn't serve Odium thanks to her intervention and at the same time, Taravangian ascended to Odium because of her. Literally the main opposing forces are what they are because of her. But why did she do all that? What is her intent? She also created Lift's unique edgedancer version. Why??
I also really really hope Shallan meets Kelsier. He is nothing like Mraize after all, from what we see in Lost Metal. I am curious if the two would talk, will he mentioned he knew a girl who was assertive like her? One he perhaps was close to? (Vin)
And lastly, how would Szeth cleanse the shin? Would he have to fight his family? Would Nightblood goat him to a rampage in Shinovar? Who would he think is evil among the shin?
The more I realize about the extent of Cultivation's meddling, the more nervous I become. And a meeting between Shallan and Kelsier would be incredible.
If Kaladin dies I will throw up.
What if kaladin doesnt die but gets sent to damnation to do what the heralds failed to do. And be tortured for eternity or release the desplations again
Considering the amount of trouble Brandon tried to make Kaladin go through, I think he would consider death a mercy and rather sent him to damnation.
@@aka_shoyo5244 true but Kaladin would go willingly if it meant he can protect everyone. But i agree. It's a terrible fate and would put salt on the wound of readers
What if the suffering Kaladin has ALREADY faced on Roshar has desensitized him in a way, such that the "torture" in damnation is a reprieve? In a similar vein to allomantic savants in Mistborn.
Kaladin ain't built for torture.
Our boi Szeth on the other hand...
@@tonykuriger573 Unfortunately, szeth's ideals are for upholding Law, not protecting
Kaladins death would neither make sense nor work thematically. For most of his bloody story he has been totally down with death if it protects someone. He would happily lay down his life.
His journey is about learning he has worth too and should be willing to save himself. His 5th ideal will not be about sacrificing himself but letting other save him or even saving himself over someone else.
The 5th is supposed to be damn impossible to sware and that would be the thing that Windrunners struggle with the most since theyre all about saving others and selfless sacrifice.
So what if it becomes not about saving, but about killing? A reverse of the third ideal?
If kal and Szeth die, I don’t know if I can continue the story honestly. The only other character I’m emotionally tied to is lift 😅
We know Lift is around in the second arc, so she should be safe.
I need a recap of the last four books because I definitely won't have time to reread them this year
I've got recap videos of Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, and Oathbringer on my channel, and I'm working on one for Rhythm of War for the next couple weeks.
I had a different theory(before the blurb came out):
Contests of champions will still happen, Gavinor will still be odiums champion. But, Dalinar will lose and turn fused. In order to stop odium from getting access to the stormfather in the process , the stormfather will be deadeyed. Maya will become the first fully undeadeyed spren. deadeye stormfather will stop producing stormlight in highstorms, that leaves the coalition forces crippled for the most part. Kaladin will be giving therapy to Szeth in shinovar. Chana Davar, definitively. Then Odium brings in the rest of the everstorm and it hovers over the entire continent, and doesn't disappear. Renarin and rlain is confirmed I think. Kaladin will definitely swear the 5th ideal, death is a possibility. I don't think than anyone will ascend yet. Taln will be healed somehow, possibly kaladin therapy. BAM left odiums side before the false desolation when they got an old magic direct from cultivation. The honor spren death is on the table, but then again, we have only seen one radiant order at all in the future because we have only seen one radiant in the future. I think that Adolin will become a psuedo edgedancer and renarin will take up leadership of bridge 4 and the rest of the Kholin forces. It is unlikely that Thaidakar will show up directly because he still cannot get offworld up to 6 years later I think.
(blurb kinda disquialied or at least threw into doubt the baby champion theory)
Deadeyed Stormfather no longer producing stormlight is a *FASCINATING* concept.
I still dont think kaladin will die. However, MOASH 200% will.
1000%
Boy's just going to walk off a cliff.
[Ba-Ado-Mishram]'s gonna be pissed about being stuck in Iraq for 2000 years 😂
Sorry, can't unhear it lol
*Mission Accomplished
Not even Iraqis can stand being stuck in Iraq for one year, let lone two thousands.
A bit more elbow room than a gemstone, but still pretty barren.
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Hoid is still bonded to Design in Yumi so we've seen at least one else caller in future Cosmere.
*Lightweaver. Good point!
Kaladin playing a Jesus move on Roshar sounds cool
We's got the hair for it.
Why is no one considering that the Contest of Champions could end in a tie? It's the only outcome for which there are literally no clauses.
I understand why people think Kaladin will die but like. Cmon ya'll. His entire character arc is literally to persevere and keep living and protecting. You think Brandon's gonna do all that character development and then make DYING the answer? Come on.
I don't like the Gavinor/Adolin champion theories. They're just not really interesting, and I really don't think Adolin is that susceptible to Odium anyway.
Renarin outsmarting Odium into making himself vulnerable is a really cool idea!
I really REALLY hope you're wrong about the Honospren mass death. We've already had one in the Recreance, that's ENOUGH ;_;
I absolutely agree about the deadeyes, and if Adolin is alive to see it he's gonna be the first to make it happen.
Your idea about Vasher completing his purpose on Roshar is really interesting and kind of a terrifying look on Endowment.
Brandon has specifically said that Vasher hasn't had a chance to do what he was Returned to do, so it has to be something big!
My personal theory is that the Shards of Odium and Honor; if combined; would become either the Shard of Justice or the Shard of Revenge/Vengeance. Like Harmony/Discord it would depend on the Vessels attunement to one over the other. I don’t think it would happen now but later maybe
They would literally be War. Stormlight+Voidlight = Warlight. I think, save for the vessel altering the Intent, the two shards naturally become War.
The holder may try to shift the Intent, but given that we've seen warlight already it would make sense if that was the inherent combination.
Though Honor and Cultivation don't create towers, so there's definitely wiggle room.
@@TheCosmerenaut Yeah I always thought the name War light was just a man (parshendi) given name. So it does not necessarily have to mean War would be the combination of the Shards themselves.
Also how is War an aspect of a person/god? Like yeah you can have conflict within yourself but those concepts are not nearly the same. And the Shard of Turmoil would be just kinda mid
Didn't the contract state that the champions had to be willing?
Yup, but how hard would it be to convince Gavinor that this would get revenge on the man who killed his father?
Bro I am going to lose my shit if Kaladin dies.
Read on the toilet.
I have not read one Stormlight Archive book yet so I understood about 10% of what was said in this video haha
Pepe, I've got some books for you to read.
@@TheCosmerenaut I plan on starting the first one next month. I hope the rumors are true that it's Sanderson's best work.
They aren't my favorite, but they are the best. And they are many peoples' favorite.
If we are setting bets for characters most likely to die in WaT, for me it's:
1. Adolin
2. Syl
3. Moash
4. Someone from Bridge 4 we adore
5. Stormfather
HUGE DROP OFF
I think Dalinar loses the duel of the fates and becomes a Fused, and Kaladin is sidelined from the story another way, but I don't think either die in a traditional sense. Dalinar as a Fused and Kaladin ascending in some way seem more likely than dead (and I think Kal retiring to full time therapist for all of Roshar once his spren seems like a likely outcome
Dalinar as a Fused is just too scary for me to really want to consider.
What do you guys think skybreaker plate is made of?
Gravitationspren is my guess
That sounds plausible.
What's impressive is that most of your predictions kinda make sense. Somehow. 😅
The most effective lies are the ones based in truth.
The contest isn’t going to be with Gavinor because then it becomes a trolley problem
Conversely, the contest IS going to be with Gavinor BECAUSE it's a trolley problem.
I will be so mad if the character who JUST overcame his suicidal tendencies's arc ends in him dying or killing himself anyways. Leave my boy alone.
#KaladinDeservesABreak
Dude has some one the worst most fan service ideas for Wind and Truth 😂 fun to think about some but I doubt any of them will happen
We'll just have to...
"Read And Find Out!"
I hope Szeth lives to become an epic crusader in the aftermath of this book. I know people don’t like him but he’s in my top five 😂
I like him, but he needs a lot of healing still.
I always liked him. His pov chapters in WoK are fantastic.
Szeth is a very interesting character.
Who is “El” ? Read so long ago and can’t remember
El is barely mentioned at the end of Rhythm of War and has some kind of letter that is used in the chapter headings in the final part of RoW.
Would be so great if he has that random buildup (all on the first of the final 10 days) only to get permakilled by Sigzil in chapter 3.
It's the old dude who's fascinated by humans and study them. Former holder of the title Vyre before he fell out of favor for some reason. He has metal plates in place of carapace. He kills The Pursuer for real in the end of the book.
What these folk said.
Cant wait to see Szeth using division vs Ishar
It's gonna be an epic fight.
*sigh* gavinor, really?
I don't want to be right, I just am.
booo moash
You can't jump out and scare him anymore; he can't see you.