Why Nike's Fastest Shoe is Terrible for Most Runners

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024

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  • @GTE_Channel
    @GTE_Channel 8 месяцев назад +21

    The argument that supershoes put more stress on your muscles and gives the injury risks is in itself completely false and not scientifically proven. Its just an emotional argument / opinion.
    ANY shoe that requires a different running mechanic compared to your normal shoes aposes a risk on injury.
    Therefore if one would run only in suoershoes he would be in no higer risk because the body adapts to the required running mechanics.
    And yes, this is also just an opinion 😅.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +4

      There haven’t been any direct studies comparing training most or every day in super shoes to a daily trainer or max cushion shoe. I think that’s an important fact I didn’t mention in this video so thank you for pointing this out. That being said the grounds for saying supershoes can increase injury isn’t pulled out of nowhere as the energy return does place extra strain on your legs. If it was an unfounded idea the pros would wear the alphaflies or other supershoes everyday as money wouldn’t be an issue for them. I have pinned this comment though as I think it’s important to point out no large interventional studies have been done on the effects of supershoes yet.

    • @TheStarPlayz
      @TheStarPlayz 8 месяцев назад +2

      Fundamentally different running forms cause injury’s more then other forms, but I believe that people with poorer forms find a negative and higher risk of injury from supershoes as opposed to the ‘normal’ trainers and those with better form have a lower risk of injury directly from the supershoes. Would love this hypothesis to have a good study and science behind it in the coming years. I speak from experience when I say I think supershoes have more bad effects on people with bad form. It could be the stack height, sole shape, cushioning, roller, foot landing, knee bend, etc… I don’t think it’s a emotional opinion at all, far from it. No research now, but I’ll bet my house on it being more negative directly from the shoes, for some.

    • @JS-Treadmill-Running
      @JS-Treadmill-Running 8 месяцев назад +1

      I absolutely share the same opinion as you. 75% of all my runs are in Super shoes and most often in those with the most shock absorption. not because of the carbon plate. But because they protect my old body better and because of their super foam. It means a lot that you don't get so much pain in your knees and hips after a run. I can run a marathon in a pair of super shoes and feel great the next day. I can't do that with very many other running shoes. Plus the super shoes give a lot of running pleasure, which I think is the important thing when I'm not so fast anymore.
      I do a lot of tests of running shoes that are databased. and my personal opinion is that anyone who wants to use carbon shoes should just use them. but it is only at speeds above 15 km per hour and optimally faster. I feel you can use the carbon plate properly.. that's just my personal experience. In any case, it may well surprise me when there is someone running for example at 11-12 km per hour that they feel the shoes really make a huge, huge difference. when it comes to how fast you can run. I think it's more about the placebo effect

    • @GTE_Channel
      @GTE_Channel 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@JS-Treadmill-Running if you have pain round your knees you could also choose to lower drop shoes, like Altra. Your calves will need to acclimatise to those shoes but the trade is a high probability that all your hips and knee issues dissappear.

    • @JS-Treadmill-Running
      @JS-Treadmill-Running 8 месяцев назад

      @@GTE_Channel Thanks for trying to help👍🙂. I have been running for more than 30 years and have tried pretty much every type of shoe. I probably have about 150-200 shoes in my collection right now. so it's not because I haven't tried different things. The truth is only when you have trained twice a day for many years. then it cannot avoid leaving its mark on the body. what I mean is just an example, yesterday I ran 14.5 km in Prime X. at a pace around pace 4:00. and later in the evening I had a tempo run. if I hadn't chosen to run in a pair of super shoes. I wouldn't be able to have run 5km tempo runs in a couple of Pro 3's later. and then the other important thing for me, it's just important to have fun when I run. and I think it's much more fun to run in carbon shoes. My philosophy has always been. The more kilometers you are able to run, the better you become. in my world you can't train too much, you can only recover too little. so it's about finding the shoes that allow you to run as much as possible without straining the body too much. and I have found what works for me.

  • @amatysharma4843
    @amatysharma4843 8 месяцев назад +3

    Same thing I felt when I bought maxflys i was a decent 11.1 runner in my senior year I dropped to 10.8 but felt like my pbs weren't possible without maxflys, now I just use them in the biggest meets.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад

      Probably how I’d use them if I got some supershoes as well.

    • @DonnerRunningFitness
      @DonnerRunningFitness 7 месяцев назад

      You were correct the super shoes are good for about 30 seconds per mile improvement. The only downfall of them is the cost and the fact that Nike has evilly raised the bar so that now everybody has to have these even for training just to keep up so now Running is the same expense as playing golf.

  • @justinwatkins7659
    @justinwatkins7659 8 месяцев назад +1

    I agree with the premise that super shoes take away from a PR or from records that are being broken. I too am a bit of a purist which is why I run in barefoot shoes. If you think about it, any running shoe that’s not flat (all running shoes since the 70’s I believe) are technically “advanced technology” compared to running in barefoot shoes or flat shoes…

  • @zephyrsimon
    @zephyrsimon 2 месяца назад

    Not the explanation that I was expecting because I generally think that these cushioning shoes are just bad for your feet due to making them too comfortable resulting in foot muscle degradation. I am liking my Xero shoes so far. My calves have been screaming after runs, but it is strengthening them at least.

  • @Zoominguy007
    @Zoominguy007 8 месяцев назад +2

    Running culture needed this vid👑

  • @joels5739
    @joels5739 8 месяцев назад +1

    Best running RUclipsr out here

  • @PepereWorld
    @PepereWorld 8 месяцев назад

    I totally agree ! First, I would never expense more than 150€. Two, I runs with a simple training shoes to let my muscles work and build my aerobic.

  • @GTE_Channel
    @GTE_Channel 8 месяцев назад +1

    What are you saying at 3:46? First you talk about a percentage in improvement and then you are talking about 20 second improvement for different running speeds, thats not the same % improvement.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +1

      I was trying to demonstrate that whilst supershoes will increase your performance somewhat, for most new runners the improvements they give you can be achieved through a couple weeks or months of consistent training. Conversely, because advanced runners have used most of their generic potential, the small benefits they gain from shoes would take many months of training to match. The point still stands if you use percentages and not doing that is just a silly mistake on my part.

    • @GTE_Channel
      @GTE_Channel 8 месяцев назад

      @@AdamJansen786 yeah I fully agree consistency is key for new runners. No worries, being a keyboard warrior is easier than actually putting out content 👍🏻

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +1

      @@GTE_Channelhaha I appreciate you questioning me respectfully - can be rough but it’s necessary to make good content and make sure I’m being clear and accurate

  • @xArsenico
    @xArsenico 8 месяцев назад

    I agree a lot with what you said, have you ever looked into swimming tech suits? They became popular around the start of the 2000s. It didn't take until 2009 for certain materials and types of tech suits to be banned in competitive swimming. Super shoes have only been around since 2017 and most other bands too by 2019-2020. Super shoes are too new I think, might take a few more years to start regulating what can and can't be done. Tech suits are still in use today, but guidelines on materials and coatings are in place now.

  • @SimonBanfield
    @SimonBanfield 7 месяцев назад

    How would you define super shoes?
    Do you use shoes with any carbon in them?

  • @KhalidAlsaie
    @KhalidAlsaie 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great video man definitely changed my perspective on these shoes especially as a beginner

  • @lukabrankovic
    @lukabrankovic 8 месяцев назад +2

    great video and explenation, but can you answer me this question. I found alphaflys on some great discount in nike store more then 50% of their price. I am not a runner, I cycle a lot. but I never run proffesionally or did any kind of marathon, I go to gym and run from 2-5km per session, nothing more. I was thinking to get them for a gym sneaker, probably cause of all the marketing, saw them everywhere, everyone talking about it. So would that be a bad idea or not, am I doing my self more harm then good?

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed the video! I still wouldn’t recommend them unless your gym sessions are like interval reps or done at a high effort level. Even then I would say the alpha flies are not necessary and a £70 pair of gym shoes/running shoes would do the same job. Of course though style is a legit reason to buy something and if your not using them super regularly then the negative effects I mentioned in the video will be minimised. I just think you can get a much cheaper (even with the discount), more durable and suitable pair of shoes. Hope this helps!

    • @lukabrankovic
      @lukabrankovic 8 месяцев назад

      @@AdamJansen786 Understand, and I’ll listen to you, maybe get alphaflys just for some occasions but definitely gym/regular running shoes for everyday. Thank you for the advice!

    • @lewin2275
      @lewin2275 8 месяцев назад

      Do not use top running shoes to gym trainning, running shoes just push forward, gymer's only standing all of time

  • @Go2seeGod
    @Go2seeGod 28 дней назад

    Running is a game of time, i will rather buy a used pair of alphafly for my race day than brand new brooks racing shoes.
    If you compare the foams and super shoes technology between the top 2 leading manufacturers, you will notice that Nike is on the left adidas is on the right and every other brand falls in the middle based on foam quality and the general technology. Sangasu running has a great video about this topic

  • @ferrydegroot6648
    @ferrydegroot6648 8 месяцев назад

    You're only looking at the alphafly as a an carbon plate shoe, which pushes indeed most to runners a little bit faster. But you're forgetting about the high drop angle. And carbon plate supporting foorfot landing nature and quicker bouncing return. Most runners will have a shorter contact time. And foorfoot landing feels more natural. Having run 4 years on vaporfly and alphafly yours. I would pair this shoe with a daily trainer.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад

      I agree I could have focused on forefoot landing helping with energy return but the heel to toe drop isn’t crazy as far as shoes go. 8mm is solid but plenty of shoes have 10 or even 12mm. I also don’t know if forefoot striking is more natural at marathon runners - from what I have heard many of them are heel strikers.

  • @tjboyte
    @tjboyte 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I think it’s probably something I’ll show to friends who might think about getting into running and looking at shoes to buy.
    I do slightly disagree with the point that technology in the newest shoes defeats the spirit of running. It works off the supposition that there’s some completely objective and level playing field that all runners stand on. And while that to some extent is the case, it’s also important to acknowledge the inherent difference genetics make. No one is totally on a level playing field and the seconds that a super shoe takes off a super elite runners time are negligible next to the differences made in the differences both training conditions and genetics can have. I feel like a lot of the hype around shoes is related to the marketing. Yes, PEBA and carbon plates make some small difference, but I also don’t believe the records being broken today by people such as Kiptum couldn’t be physically done in regular running shoes. Maybe I’m wrong in that, but I don’t feel like it’s an unfair argument. As a hobby runner running most of his stuff in the 7-8 min. pace range, I own a pair of Vaporfly 2’s kinda just for fun more than anything. It’s cool to say I have vaporfly’s but I don’t really think they make that big of a difference.
    Just my two cents

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +2

      Happy you liked the video. I agree that putting world records down to purely shows is a bit reductive and disrespectful to the athletes whether they are natural or not. That being said I think you can categorise running shoes as being against the spirit of the sport where genetics is part of natural human biology. And I do think at the highest level the 1-2% shoes give you does make a difference - Stephen scullion put it nicely when he said marathons are becoming too much of an engineering competition instead of an athletics competition. I don’t think super shoes are destroying the sport or anything like that but I think we are going down a slippery slope where the most important factor could be your running shoes.

  • @kylestephens9593
    @kylestephens9593 8 месяцев назад

    I bought Asics Metaspeed Edge v1 on 50% off, not exactly real supershoe, but it is fast for 5K especially. I didn't want to feel that I'm at a disadvantage vs. all the other runners using some quick shoe. Since everybody uses plated racers I don't think my race PRs are fraudulent or something like that. But I make a point to do my training in plain old daily trainers and even minimal shoes (for recovery).

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +1

      completely fair enough. I don't invalidate someones PB just because they were in supershoes - its more how I would view my own progress.

  • @cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855
    @cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855 8 месяцев назад

    2:47 - that's not true. There are lots of videos measuring the compression ratio and bounciness of ZoomX and it works well even after 300 miles together with a low heart rate and not outsole degradation as compared to Adidas or ON.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад

      Could you link me one of them you think is particularly good? I agree ZoomX foam itself is fairly durable - it’s the same ones on the invincible which should last much longer than 100 miles. That being said general guidance I have seen and been told by my coaches is first 50-100 miles use in races and the next 100 maybe save for only speed session as the shoes would have degraded and won’t give you maximum energy efficiency.

  • @mrnooby3434
    @mrnooby3434 7 месяцев назад

    I own a pair of vaporflys that I only use for races 10k and above below that I use streakflys which I also use for speed workouts beyond that for everyday running I just use pegasus 39’s

  • @Charles-kc2vt
    @Charles-kc2vt 8 месяцев назад +11

    I wear my Alpaflies to walk the dog. And they look cool 😎

  • @SirBogus-sg2op
    @SirBogus-sg2op 2 месяца назад

    My view is completely the opposite! I am in my late 50's and after numerous back and knee surgeries, running was painful and hard. Each run was straining my calves even at a slow pace. I switched to an Alpha fly on the recommendation of a friend and have not looked back. My calf pain has gone and I am able to maintain a comfortable pace throughout my runs. I have reduced my physio bills significantly and therefore saved the cost of the shoes in a few months. For a $ a day they are well worth the investment. PS I was not looking for a shoe to make me quicker just to be able to run pain free.

  • @jimbeam4736
    @jimbeam4736 8 месяцев назад

    What kind of new runners are wearing Alphaflys?

  • @benquinn717
    @benquinn717 8 месяцев назад +5

    Total Running Productions Who??? Adam No. 1

  • @cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855
    @cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855 8 месяцев назад +1

    4:50 - by studies, if you area in the minority of people that don't benefit at all from carbon plated shoes then you won't improve but this is highly individual to each runner and there is no one-size fits all. There are ultra runners who train SOLELY in alphaflys and manage to put on hundreds of miles without getting injured. At the same time, you can get injured by wearing a basic pair of Hoka Arahis (which happened to me) due to the incompatibility with my metatarsalgia.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад

      Yh that was just my justification for not buying them personally - I’m sure they would help me greatly but I don’t like that fact as the improvement I would see would only be because of crazy shoes and not my hard work. I agree that there is no one size fits all - I hope this video made it clear I believe you are free to train in whatever you want. That being said alphaflies are designed for a very specific purpose (racing) and if you use them not as intended then it reduces your chances of being compatible with the shoes.

  • @ayellowpapercrown6750
    @ayellowpapercrown6750 8 месяцев назад

    I don’t know how popular or unpopular of an opinion this is, but I am whatever the opposite of a running purist is - elites smashing record after record is super entertaining to me, whether it’s because of new training techniques they had to work for or because of new shoe technology they just had to wear!
    Super interesting video though, all in good fun!!

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +1

      Can’t say I disagree - it’s pretty astounding the amount of records we are get. I just hope that it’s because of new talent and training science instead of human engineering becoming better. A world record would feel a bit hollow to me if it was only because of a new shoe technology - not that I think shoes are the only reason we are getting these records though.

  • @stickyex
    @stickyex 8 месяцев назад

    Can a daily trainer like novablast 4 be used for running marathon as a casual runner?

    • @GTE_Channel
      @GTE_Channel 8 месяцев назад

      You can use any shoe you like.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +1

      As Aranen said use any shoe you’d like - just know some are better suited at different training. If the novablast 4s are anything like the 2s or 3s then I’d definitely recommend them for marathon training

  • @WILLIAMLINARES-h7m
    @WILLIAMLINARES-h7m 8 месяцев назад

    This is bull… 340lbs man and dropped to 280lbs and I ran in the Alfaflys everyday

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +1

      Good for you. Many people smoke for years and never get cancer - does this mean smoking doesn’t cause cancer? You seem to be the exception to the rule - plus I think you probably would have got the same great results with a cheaper shoe.

  • @DonnerRunningFitness
    @DonnerRunningFitness 7 месяцев назад

    All of the top professionals and division 1 college runners - for whom cost is not a problem - are wearing the vapor flies even for training, they allow you to train faster while beating up your legs less it’s likemechanical steroids. There is no argument on this other than cost for regular people. By the way, I’m not happy about this Nike is evil. All they have done is raise the bar. There should be an Asterix on all the new records after 2016 and they raised the bar even for mid-level high school athletes. Now you have to have these shoes to keep up with the competition. All they did is make it so now you need $250 shoes twice a month for your training, even if you are a mid-level high school athlete, hoping to attract the attention of college coaches.

  • @tomvermeulen8003
    @tomvermeulen8003 8 месяцев назад

    Strange opinion. Paying someone to coach you is also regarded as achieving a plastic, since you ran a record thanks to someone else. Getting a better diet that suits running or running with gels is the same for that. I do feel very strongly about the opposite, if you invest on everything, letting shoes out of the equation is quite strange.

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад

      Interesting point. I suppose the difference for me is that with coaching you need to still implement the good advice and with nutrition there is an element of experimentation and knowledge involved so there is still effort put into the improvement. Both of those also feel more "natural" ways of improving instead of sticking on a pair of highly engineered shoes that instantly improve your times with no extra effort on your part.

  • @DonnerRunningFitness
    @DonnerRunningFitness 7 месяцев назад

    Nope the only argument against wearing super shoes for every single run is the cost

  • @justinblake6543
    @justinblake6543 6 месяцев назад

    My knees and body feels so much better than regular running shoes. Video not correct.

  • @theperfecteraser5988
    @theperfecteraser5988 8 месяцев назад +2

    Fax no printer

  • @benjamin.kelley
    @benjamin.kelley Месяц назад

    Nikes are garbage for your feet and body since they're so narrow. Also, way too expensive. I want to break 3 hours using regular person shoes.

  • @kylekermgard
    @kylekermgard 8 месяцев назад

    I cant say ive seen people out for easy runs in alpha flys

    • @AdamJansen786
      @AdamJansen786  8 месяцев назад +4

      As someone who works in a running shoe store - you’d be surprised

  • @lowzyyy
    @lowzyyy 8 месяцев назад

    They should buy alphaflys to watch me smoke them in 50$ puma velocity nitro 😎

  • @christopherleigh
    @christopherleigh 8 месяцев назад

    Did my wife pay you to make this video?