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Michael, I'm enjoying your videos so much. Thank you. I recently read Lilly Lehmann's book and thought it was wonderful. I've been experimenting and trying to figure out what she meant by "lean the breath against the chest". You are adding so much clarity to what she said.
The key word that you added that brings so much clarity is "diagonal". Even with all you wrote above, it still falls in the domain of "vocal imagery" and outside of physiology or acoustics, so there's a challenge to put the imagery into practice.
I was first taught "belly breathing", where you blow your belly up like a beach ball and then push out against it. I didn't like it at all. I was even told it was "traditional bel canto appoggio". Once I started reading Lehmann, Garcia II, Barbara Doscher, R. Miller, and my new favorite, Allan Lindquest, I realized that it's almost in universal agreement that we breath deep into our lower back and we also want some nice lower rib expansion. I've adopted this and LOVE it. (There's some small disagreement amongst them as to whether you take a big, full breath, or "just enough" air, such as half to two-thirds.)
However, I was still directing it vertically. As you say in the video, you can make this work, but if you can find a way to direct/lean it diagonally toward the sternum, there's some extra magic in there.
I think I'm getting the hang of this. I'm trying to alternatively send it straight up and then diagonally forward to develop the kinesthetic awareness of the difference. I've been at this for a month or two since reading Lehmann. I feel I'm close to a breakthrough.
Thanks again for your videos. I have more to study and may leave more comments here and there.
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So you take a breath behind you into your back ribs which is like the bottom of the ladder and then lean the top of the ladder on your diaphragm above? Is that right?
Edit: okay, breathing not into the lower ribs. Into the lower back. Is that correct?
@@Tenoretrimble I just watched the video on maintaining appoggio. Yes! This makes perfect sense. And the result is amazing. I'm gonna have to experiment but wow! Thank you Michael!
I appreciate this information
From 7:09 to 7:23 is what you must remember from this video.
Hello Michael.....these videos are invaluable. I'm a 65 yr old bass and feel comfortable with a 'butt tuck', pelvic tilt under position, if you will. I feel I can breathe into my back most easily with this position as it seems to open up my lower back... I get a lot of firmness in my lower abs and am tempted to push down, which you have not endorsed....Is it just a matter of leaning the breath against the front of the diaphragm and not tense the lower abs? Pressing the shoulders down a little would help also? Or perhaps you don't prefer the butt tuck position in the first place? Many thanks. PS: I see where you answered another below and said to sigh down onto the sternum, or perhaps you would think about aiming toward the sternal arch?
@@Tenoretrimble Hi Michael, I would love for some more clarification of this butt-tuck, breathing into the lower back is something that still puzzles me. Cheers!
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Thank you very much for the clarification. I will practice with this different goal and approach. After several weeks I have much more ease, am reaching higher notes, and longer breath capacity. So I am so pleased and appreciate all you do. Thanks again!
Very good information, can you make a video on a topic,head dominant and chest dominant voice?
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Even Pavarotti mentioned this (like going to the bathroom) in a RUclips video.
what is the best leaning method for normal speaking?
How do you exactly explain lean? What should you do after breathing down? Is it the moment and place you get ready (cord closure) to sing? Is it the cough you do?
You are a legend michael, thanks a lot for your videos. I singed for 2 years with false methods that i found on the internet and i am excited to see how it will be after some time using your method. I bought yesterday on amazon your book and i hope i am understanding everything right. A little question, what should i exactly think when i lean? Where does the voice come from? From my lower back to my chest or maybe from my head to my chest? Thank you so much.
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Michael Trimble I've heard accounts that mask resonance is not real and just is a constrictive mechanism of the voice. I've been told true resonance is in the pharynx and this makes sense; sound can't pass through flesh, so trying to feel the vibration in or cheeks and face is just trapped sound. The upper part of the pharynx is behind the nose and extends to the bottom of the earlobes but not higher. Any clarifications?
Interesting.
Michael, I've heard you mention that you have talked to Pavarotti on breathing before. I have heard him on video or in print say that he pushed like he was going to the bathroom. So in your opinion, do you think that he was breathing down into the pelvis and leaning from there? If so, where did he lean to from way down there? He would often say too " with down comes up" I read where Corelli said this too. Also, I have an article where he( Pavarotti ) would let his low abdomin come out on the inhale to make space for the lungs above. It seems that he was using a hybrid approach to the breathing as I know that many of the past great voices breathed like yourself where the lower abs pop in as the breath goes into the back. Again, I know that you have talked to Pavarotti about breathing and was wondering if you could expand on this. Thanks Michael, I'm not questioning your wisdom here I'm just a life long vocalist that is still interested in learning. Thanks Steven
@@Tenoretrimble Wow, Michael! What a wealth of information you just sent me. I'm so appreciative. Thank you! From your description I would say that I favor Pavarotti' s method of inhale and then point of lean. I've tried many and that is the one that works for me. I have tried the tailbone to sternal notch lean in the past and it just didn't work for me. All of this reminds me of the tennis forhand grip . Federer uses what is called an eastern forhand grip which is like a handshake position, Djokavic uses an western forhand grip which is 90 degrees more extreme than Federer ' s. Neither guy is wrong as either guy could win on a given day, it's just what feels natural to them. It looks like it's the same for singing, although we don't have the advantage of being able to see the bio mechanical variations that are much more apparent in sports. It's strange that in the singing industry there is a mentality that " IF YOU DON'T SING MY WAY THEN YOUR A BUMB" . I'm learning then ( especially from you) that to sing well you do indeed have to have some go to standards. ... inhale into the back then lean on the diaphragm. ... no tension in the throat, jaw and tongue but from there some degree of personalization can maximize our instrument.
Michael, thanks again for the amazing information you sent me. I'm a student for life and I truly appreciate it! Steven
Oh and YES! What an amazing book that would be if you wrote about all of the vocal approaches that you have encountered from the many discussions that you have had with the great voices over the years!
@@Tenoretrimble Michael, in this video ruclips.net/video/3JIVs9FZ8sQ/видео.html Pavarotti claims that when he is singing in the passagio that his vocal cords only vibrate in the middle. I've never heard anybody say that before. I was wondering if he had ever discussed that with you? Also, I've noticed that often when he gives a vocal example that he put his hand right in front of his mouth as though the sound goes directly there and not up in the mask ( I'm speculating here). Did he ever mention where he placed or let his voice go to for face or head resonance? Thanks, Michael! I want you to know that although I've been singing for years, your videos instructions are taking my voice to another level and I truly appreciate it! Got to say this too. Your voice is still sounding Amazing! Clearly your technique is a good one that doesn't harm the voice. Thanks again, Michael! Steven from Ohio
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Sir my name is sreeharipraseed
I am an India at kerala I am 20 year old I am covered range f#4 g4 g# easy sometime A4 A#4 sometimes straining sir tell my voice type??
Are you saying to lean or not to lean im sorry maybe i just missed something