Things I hate in the Keyboard Hobby : Real Talk
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2023
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As a general rule - Geon should be considered the outlier, not the example. He runs his own factory and obviously have the capacity to drive down prices to a scale that smaller manufacturers can't, hence his pricing.
It's fair to want prices to go down and to want other vendors to be like Geon, but not realistic.
Yep, what he said was true about "hype chasing" and "flex culture". I have seen people from my community who buys the expensive stuff and pays someone to just build it, then post it on the group page. What bothers me is that they don't seem to care to learn how to build or even lube a switch.
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disagree. i think everyone just finds their way to enjoy this hobby. i personally simlpy enjoy the typing experience of this hobby, i do not enjoy doing my stabs or lubing my switches especially because its a pain in the ass. Regardless, i forced myself to build the first couple boards on my own but oh boy in no chance im lubing my switches. its a complete waste of time and effort imo, im more than willing to pay and get it done by someone else, would rather use that time to work on my certificate exams
Point 8 is the biggest one personally. The hobby is about custom keyboards. Let people customise it and have it how they want. The amount of hate I've had for sticking to ISO and helping people who want to stick to ISO get something they want.
As a 40% and SFF enjoyer I feel attacked.
But in a more serious note, there are sff cases these days that are as easy to build in as atx/matx cases. The sff tax are getting lower as well with Chinese companies with real R and D coming to the market for fans, cases and *some PSU's. Now if any of Intel, AMD or Nvidia are providing more support for ITX boards and power efficient GPU/CPUs I would bet there would be a wider acceptance for sff builds.
In keyboards however I really like the compactness of 40s as I have become very efficient with layers and I seem to not be bothered by the lack of keys. The portability also adds to the beauty as I can just chuck it in a backpack be on my merry way and continue to work wherever in the comfort of my own layout.
Just started the video and was reading some comments and came across this and how did he get to SFF pc’s? 😂 as I am a big SFF enjoyer. After building in my NR200p I could never good back to a M-ATX, or ATX sized pc lol.
I love this rant
People in this hobby are just way too scared to sell anything at any kind of loss. Best case you pay their cost + their shipping.
Well, it's not selling at a loss if you don't sell it. 😉
I mean, why should they? Look, personally I’ll just sell at cost to make the sale easy and fast, but no one has that obligation. It’s just a reality of things. Market value is market value and keyboards have become a big enough market to have price trends.
Now I do think that listing a 30 unit GB board for like $1600 on mm when there haven’t been any sales for that price is stupid *cough* Rei 60 XT *cough*
But established boards like keycults will always be expensive unless production ramps up.
hypyotech making "custom" keyboards🤓🤓🤓
Hippyotech or whatever is one of the keyboard RUclipsrs I dislike tbh :/ will never watch his videos
@@Oubaitorii hippiyo are just cringe
What's wrong with hipyo tech? He provides genuinely good content.
@@haybail7618Most of his videos screams “No foam = bad keyboard sound” which is just not true.
All his keyboards are foamy garbage and completely remove any character the keyboards had
Call out all the shit vendors and stop buying from them. No one wants to call out any of them including some of streamers and yt creators, they prefer to take product and make some fence sitting reviews. On the other hand give the good ones a shout out as they will help you out and support you if you have any issues.
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What vendors have really good reputations? THis will help know where to put my money.
I really like this Blacksimon guy, I will use him as my sole source for things I hate about keyboards. I cant wait for things he likes and misses so I can formulate my emotions then.
Good video.
A new RUclips video! Thank you
Thanks Simon
I feel like I'm not allowed to enjoy foam in an expensive keyboard.
I enjoy the sound, the aesthetic, and the feel
Don't ever let anyone tell you what you can and cannot enjoy. Especially me
He's not saying you can't enjoy foam in an expensive keyboard. He's saying that people shouldn't just get foam in their boards just because they're following the hype/trends. If you like the sound of foam in your board because you just like that sound profile, then go for it. But he's saying don't convince yourself you like foam in your board just because that's the popular sound profile at the moment.
“Anything for the sake of anything.” - applies to a lot of things in life. 😅
number 1 thing i hate the most is the all the buzzwords like thocky and creamy i feel dirty just saying it
Simon spitting some real shit. Only ever bought TX springs. Very consistent, and very enjoyable in the switches I used them in. First bought 70g longs for my Aliaz, then 65g longs for my Twilights (the latter of which I hated anyway lol) and then some 62g longs for MX Blacks and then 60g longs in some Greetech-topped Tangies. But my favourite spring is prob the stock spring in Meteor Oranges. Lovely springs and roughly 15mm. So just going to buy 57g TX mediums from now on
I like the look and weight of an aluminum board with the sound of foam :3
Nice vid.. i love the hobby fun.. experimenting.. doing strange things with my stabs crazy mods like adding silicone glue to fill up a spacebar hahah..
“how to make your keyboard sound like a jelly epoch”
thats why the only foamy board i own and enjoy is epoch cuz everything else is just a copy lol
What do you think about "gaming keyboards"? Is there any space for typing enjoyment with those? How the best of those compare to custom keyboards? I am really interested cause I cannot buy myself "real one" nor get the access to complicated process of admission into groups for group buys?
Honestly, get yourself a nice keychron K8 pro for under 100 bucks
It comes with lubed stabs and switches, is wireless and supports pretty much anything you'd expect a real custom to support.
You'll be 90% of the way there with something like that
1:57 very tragic callback. lest we forget
Calling out Scarra in the first 2 minutes LOL
Only thing i don't agree with is hotswap as i find it fun to change out switches pretty often to experiment with new things
Thank you for saying all of this. I've been feeling the same way.
I hate how right now every keyboard has to be gasket or else it will be hated. Like seriously how weak are your fingers to not be able to handle non-gaskets?
ikr, wts wrong with stiff
real talk
I must be lucky because I have yet to have any bad experience with kbdfans.
I will give you $20 right now to buy a lottery ticket, as long as you share half the winnings
@@Blacksimon is there a list of that bad things that KBDfans have done in the past and bad things they currently do? I just put through a big order with them for the toger lite and new Tofu65 - and watching you say how bad they has got me worried.😅
Great video and I really relate to a lot of your thoughts, however, the part about foam, doesn't that contradict your piece about judging other people's configurations? I agree makers should stop adding foam to everything, but if a hobbyist wants to put foam in their $1,000 keyboard, they should be able to do it without judgment.
From an enthusiast perspective criticism towards designers is valid when foam is used to compensate for a poorly designed case. Why refine when foam will cover up all the changes you make anyways? Sure, some people like the sound of foam...so give people the option to purchase it as an add-on instead of lumping it into every purchase. It's wasteful and drives up the cost for everybody.
I agree with your point. There isn't enough respect for other peoples preferences, and people should always be entitled to their preferences. But putting in foam reflects somebody who has more money then sense. Why put in foam into keyboards that are optimized for sound without it? It's a bit of an insult to the board's original design and the painstaking work that went into it. It's like saving up for a Ferrari and then swapping in a Honda Civic engine into it-I mean, all the power to you but like c'mon man.
@@darrensyoutube Yeah, I like the idea of allowing people the option to get it aftermarket and board designs not being created around it, but will never call someone out or ridicule them (not saying blacksimon did, but some people do) for deciding what to put in their boards, even if I have my own, differing, opinions.
I prefer foam in my board. I've tested it with and without. I just prefer it. It's a a Brutal65 v2. I don't know why. I just do.
foam is fine if a user chooses to foam their board. But when a huge majority of people are installing foam just because its in the kit, we end up leaving so much potential good sound on the table. And while preference is a thing, foam overall just leads to your board sounding like a plastic one anyways, so why even bother spending cash on an alu custom at that point?
I miss real people like you with actual passion. I’m new this hobby but before I was a record collector and audio fan but the same thing happened and I simply couldn’t take Everything anymore…I kindda felt the same …
18:34 was that candykeys or cannonkeys? 😂
Cannonkeys is great, don't worry ;)
you could call me a non-hobbyist. i type every day, i want to have a good keyboard, but i only want to have one keyboard, i don't like waste or to own unnecessary things. i've had bad experiences with big peripheral companies, that's why i'm here.
what really bothers me about mechanical keyboards is that once you stray away from the norm there aren't many options, and it's wild to me that nobody wants to have a good 100% keyboard or a southpaw 100% keyboard.
the names of new switches also really bother me, they are named after foods or animals and the name is not descriptive at all. if i'm not in the hobby 24/7 how am i supposed to know what the heck a Clione Limacina, Jellyfish, or Crystal Robin switch is? this might not be an issue if i have two or three options, but there are hundreds. why did we stray away from the cherry color scheme?
some people seem to associate RGB with rainbow vomit and treat you like a weirdo when you're looking for per key north facing RGB with nice shine through lettering and somehow people have told themselves that lights do not belong on high end boards. i like tasteful static RGB. yes i know about the clearance issue with north facing switches, but flipping the switches around is probably the worst solution to fix this.
You know what I hate. Xondat at Noxary exit scamming with 4 GBs unfulfilled. Used our gb money to buy a Porsch 911 and a high end watch.
I will never understand the constant hate on Kbdfans. Yes they have been in troubles, but this hobby grew a lot because of them. All of my purchases from them have been decent.
23:43 Looks like board scene could learn from the high end vape scene.. like, A LOT.
Nice talk. I hate 1. group buy. 2. cannot see the real product before put money down. 3. no standards. I don't hate the price, they price whatever they want if people still buy. Of course they will squeeze out every penny from your pocket, but it is profit driven market, all about demand and supply.
1. group buy, if any product can be delivered under three months, it's ok. Because we are still able to dispute the transaction if shit happens. RAMAWORKS still owe me $1200 products over 20 months, and nobody can solve the problem.
2. we cannot see and feel the real product before put money down. Every time place an order like gambling, we may receive a product makes us regret.
3. no standards, in this hobby is all about preferences. Because we cannot touch the real products, so RUclipsr's preferences drives the trends. You buy because it is been told "good".
im listing while cleaning my stabs. to remove a bandaid mod.... and use a ptfe tape experimenting..
Ooh group buy review streams? Would have loved to have been there for the Killer65 one lol.
vods should be up on Blacksimon Live ;)
Him reading “foamz for dayz” in the description was beautiful
38:07 maker for the hot-swap.. issue.. hmmmmm
Forgot to mention something: keyboard hobbyists looking down other hobbyist who do not have same tastes or who could not understand that how better would be if this hobby is not loaded only of programmers, engineers and gamers 😅
Calling out non hobbyist. "Gatekeeping" comments incoming
Massdrop and kbd fans lol. But I like my pbt fans and dcx.
Good video. I don’t agree with everything though.
For example, TX stabs are the best stabilizers I have ever used due to how well they were designed. I get that cheap stabs can be good, but I’d rather buy something that is consistently good for a higher price. Fixing stabs is a headache and I’m not someone who does stuff like holee modding.
Also, I think expecting people not to list something for market price when selling to a complete stranger is unrealistic. Why should I sell something at cost if I have no guarantee that they won’t just flip on me (this has happened to me before). If designers want their products to have lower aftermarket value, they need to produce more. That’s just how it works, even if it’s harsh.
TX have been good for sure, but Ive been burned so many times on stabs I'd rather wait and see if they stay just as good over a couple years
@@Blacksimon what are the chinese stabs that you buy? I can't find a name. Thanks 🙂
@@natejephcott5012 theyre just standard cherry clip in stabs with probably better wires
real talk time - Typing with first restored Model M - Liked - ready to watch
since the trend of hype gasket mount foam boards started i wanted to make a keyboard that actively makes it difficult to put Foam on it
It already exists, it’s called the zephyr
17:00 "Don't give money to people that suck doing business."
Ngl, a few people still coping hard that making, customizing, and keyboarding have become a legitimate avenue for business, but for some reason pull off "the small community" card when shit goes awry. Luckily, only a few though. (Mass)Drop and KBDFans are still on the yellow watch list instead of red watch list.
Only a few, fortunately. Helps that ICs and typing board friends 95+% can easily discern bullshit designs that would most likely go nowhere.
Real nice real talk.
You forgot about Expensive and exotic Lube...listening at your final point Drama !!
Screwless designs in keyboards is the absolute dumbest shit I've ever seen. People were calling Apple out for this shit on their Macbooks for YEARS, and Apple finally stopped doing screwless in the recent Apple Silicon boards, and everyone rejoiced. So WHY ON EARTH are we going back to screwless on keyboards?!
finally someone point out about the useless flex cut and thin pcb. tbh i hate them because make board sound thin and force to build with foam.
Foam can be useful. Then again, if you need foam, that says something negative about the board. When you put every foam piece possible, it gets to be in "all the same" territory.
i like wuqueStudio Aurora Fog stabs $14..
I play a lot of video games and people are flexing with their rank or whatever,
People type on keyboards and start flexing with how expensive their stuff is?
Some people's lives really lack diversity lmao
One Plus, the phone maker just made a keyboard. Ugh
'Why is it so expensive'
People keep paying for it. Companies have zero incentive to reduce prices if consumers continue to purchase the products
Also covid resulted in a lot of materials shortages which could be a contributing factor to the price increase in switches and keycaps.
Greed will always be the driving factor of high/ increasing price(s)
if Simon is a bible - then it's BlackBible
thats my childhood KEKW
when open source is0 then? 🤔
giggle
I remember when I joined this hobby I was watching this channel he was doing daily group buys that where going on. he was encouraging people to buy couple of sets for same GMK group buy. He was telling people you can up sale them and make money. After hearing that I stopped watching. Honestly terrible advice to tell people this there is no guarantee that you make money from it. I could tell this guy was in it to make money.
anything by keebfront is awful. they're all about marketing and influencers selling their products. I wanted their DOOM switches but turns out they have a ton of ping and housing issues. And they charge so much for it.
now i'm an Idion - good video
Things I hate
Big vendors having slightly higher prices on products ie- adding 5 cents to switches or $2.00 to accessories
Backplate and switch color obsession
around 26:10 makes me think of mode lately. Sucks because their boards have been catching my interest.
What specifically made you think of Mode?
@@synthetadyne The way they are choosing to reveal/market the envoy is just a little bit cringe to me. Might be overreacting but its just like... chill lmao
@@justanotherpxrson Gotcha. I haven't noticed anything cringe about it, though that's just me.
@@justanotherpxrson you're not the only one that noticed that 😅
@@muto4330 Haha good
I hate weeb keyboard and weeb designer, oh wait...
moral of this story - do keyboard case out of foam
Everything you're complaining about on pricing is because of the new vendors/middlemen services that needs their cut, keyboards is their job now so they need to make as much or more money than they previously made on their job
and also because people are willing to pay the prices, it's normalized
people actually get mocked when asking "why is X so expensive" in this hobby. Sometimes yes their demands are absurd, sometimes it's really not and yet the small clique of regulars (usually also "friends" with the vendors/artisans/designers or themselves a part of monetizing the hobby) mock them too
I dont know about that, look at geon's work, look at wuque studio with the $180 zoom tkl with pvd steel weights.
Its been proven that you don't need to charge and arm and a leg in order to make money. I just wish more people thought like this
@@Blacksimon Do you think it's a coincidence that the studios you've mentioned aren't NA-based?
@@MrDNE1000 THIS.
the kalam is prob nicer than the me
Why buy a clone for the price of a high end tkl?
@@muto4330 because the quality isnt too far off, and its actually attainable via 4 month turnaround group buys. if you miss a jane raffle, why not just buy a kalam for cheaper?
@@shoobo3548 But, but, muh clout, muh flex!
im actually considering to get a kalam unikorn tbh
with this comment i'm chasing the hype
brand/vendor shills are also pretty cancer. they should be called out
Agree 100% with the overpriced ass GMK sets and people are stupid enough to buy them. This isn't 2018 anymore where they were among the few consistent legend keycap makers, their QC is absolute garbage for the price and ABS spacebars should not be this warped
Simone showing boomer mindset hard with the stab comments lol. TX stabs are 1000% worth their price. I used only cherry clip ins for years but never again. Having one bad experience shouldn’t be enough to rant about how terrible something is on the internet.
Tx are good, which is why I didn't call them out. I'd suggest em to anyone building with a thin pcb.
However in a normal 1.6mm pcb, may as well save a few bucks
i reported this for hate speech.