Hey brother. Your voice tells of what your going through. How does one get through this life without experiencing this. Been there done that. A great teacher that might be helpful is author and good guy Eckhart Tolle. The mind is a powerful thing and it can bring one unhappiness or joy. He's on utube and has several books. Your not alone my friend . Good luck to you. Loving your videos and my euc !
At least there's a test that looks like it will tell you if you're in danger of this problem. It also shows that Inmotion is actively working on it. That's reason for optimism. I hope those with problem V12s will be made whole before they get dashed to pieces and that the next batches will be verifiably solid.
I've done about 5 spin tests on my V12 (Second Batch). So far it's passed however I still don't feel too comfortable, aside from being a brand new rider (two miles in the kitchen due to Heavy snow and Ice outside) I'm over 200 lbs and I can't imagine how a hand held spin test could ever recreate the actual forces of riding. I gear up for sure. Love you videos and your chats. May you always stay Above the Wheel, Duf Man. Thanks for all your help.
The V12 is my first wheel too. After researching EUC's for about a year, I bought an Inmotion because of their reliability and safety. I really hope InMotion come through and do the right thing.
I must say I cannot wait to get a ride on a V12. For me its an awesome looking wheel. Solid range, good looks, weatherproofing for the UK and good speed. I think they will sort out the cut out issues and more forward. Solid package. Keep well and keep sharing.
It's difficult to obtain any electronic components at the moment so maybe that had some baring on it... Keep your chin up and keep busy. I appreciate the great videos.
I'm still waiting for my batch 2 wheel and I was super excited about my purchase but now it's tainted! Looks like when I get it I'll have to leave it parked until new control boards are available or risk injury. The main reason I purchased this wheel was because of its supposed safety and quality. I sure hope Inmotion comes through with a proper fix!
Kind words all good. Enjoy your new camera and weekend. Hey the good thing is...when your down there is only one way to go and that's up. Time is the great healer.🐊🌴🌞
A bunch of Batch 1 failed the test as well in the tracker, so all V12 units are affected: Make sure to test yours even if it already worked for some distance. 🙏 Duf: did you test yours? 22% failure rate across all batches: You talked about smaller MOSFETs, their spec is up to 100V and it seems a good chunk of them can work reliably beyond that. Long term degradation is also a concern. Have you seen the V12 HT announcement? "Increased max power output by 23%" and "More durable MOS" What do you think about that.
I had not heard of any batch 1 wheels failing? I guess I missed it. Mine was one of the first 30 in the US so it was really early. I haven't done the test, because I don't want to blow out my wheel, lol.
22% across people who are on forums and Facebook groups. Then you have people who just don't want to test it because theirs is running fine so the real percentage is unknown. All of them are affected and it's not the mosfets fault.
@@Duf yes it seems common worry about blowing it out while testing, then people don't when they should. You often ride next to cars, a cutout would not be pretty, best to test it for your own sake! By the way you could make a video about how to test well at the same time: a lot of folks struggle to reproduce the stress test from the existing instructions.
@@francomusty5013 yep its not the out of spec MOSFET its the poor design choice basically without a reserve (100V on a 100.8V wheel where rule of thumb is adding 20 - 50% voltage reserve because of voltage spikes). Therefore to some degree all wheels must be affected. I wanted V12 but if they wont add mosfets to the spec I have to look somewhere else
Mine did cutout. Rode on it from the 16th to the 31st December. I don't know what hurts more, my injured knee or the fact the I have to wait till March to get the wheel back.
Hey Duf - been a fan of your vids for a long time now. Hate to hear that you are going through rough times, but please know that you have many supporters out here that appreciate you and your content. All the best to you and yours from Oregon!
U look like ur down?yes ur baby is awsm all animals do.anyway whatever is wrg wit u plz be happy and be grateful of u life.let go of wat hot.and wat is.it will be BETTER.be positive at all time
One would hope that wheel manufacturers would have or develop a basic regime of tests for wheels, and run a sample of each batch through the regime before releasing them to the public. Most wheel riders are not acrobats or trained stunt people, and having a wheel cut out can be catastrophic.
Watching this way later I am thinking about buying a v12 PRO, but I dont know if this cutout issue is fixed or not? Anyone knows ? Security is very important to me and my v10f and my patton never had a cutout.
So, I've had my wheel since November from a June Order.. so is that First Batch? I haven't had any issues, but a firmware update just came in today.. I hope I didn't mess up by updating my software, but it kinda forced me to do it because my wheel wouldn't charge while the update was available and said it was a critical issue that needed to be fixed.. So, I've I said I hope the updated firmware doesn't mess my wheel up
Mine did cutout on a ride. I'd be careful using it until they come out with an explanation. Specifically for the 2nd batch ( you can see screws on handle)
I did the test InMotion recommended and then I did another one the day after, both times passed. But I feel I still can't trust it. Time will tell if there will be any cutouts on V12's, even after the test. I think Inmotion need to replace the board with higher voltage MOSFETS.
Exactly. Offer to change all the motherboard. I dont care if mine passed the test i cant trust it too. This means your best bet is dont charge fully and when you are at higher battery % avoid doing hard braking to avoid regen
@@Duf AlienRide killed a few wheels out of box though, 40-70% charge. Doesn't need to be 100% full charged to have a failure which is the scary part imo.
Mine shuts off during the test like immediately. InMotion should've shown an example, but it's like NOTHING you'd expect. I rock the wheel forward, it pushes back a bit, and then... shuts off. Screen blank. Lights off. Motor cuts. Crazy.
The real problem is in design not the batch. The wheel is rated for 100.8 V battery. The maximum MOSFET rating is 100 V. Because MOSFETs are driving an inductive load there are voltage spikes and a rule of thumb is to have like 20 % - 50 % reserve in voltage rating. In this case atleast 125 V rated MOSFETs. So I am little disappointed of the design choice here because its an obvious fault and I wanted to have V12. Hope Inmotion solve this up to standard by using correctly rated MOSFETs.
Why u sad?life is to short to think like that,live on and glide be happy move ahead not backwards,I'm single I'm to busy to worry or be sad,I move on wit my life wit or without any1 by my side.i know martial arts I go to places I've never been too.im never worry,u have wat others don't have so be proudly of ur success and glade ur healthy wit ur six pack I see wen u rideing.so cheer on and live jus breath ahhhh!!!ok
Yes it is. I crashed twice. 2 cut outs on my v12 ht. One yesterday soon as I got it back fully repaired with a new battery and controller. I'm passed. Went from loving this wheel to never trusting InMotion again.
1st crash was 30 mph seated. Apparently a battery was unbalanced After 2379 miles. E wheels fixed it for free. Just got it back rode like 2 miles under 25 mph and cut out on flat new road pavement. The rim is bent and it won't turn on. Both crashes I was lucky I'm loose ( pause 😅 ) and thin n lightweight and fully geared minus gloves. All I got was scraped knuckles and a lil soreness.
I'm thinking about mounting three cheap ass FPV cameras on top of a helmet in a circle. I mean, if it works over and in the air it should be pretty easy to support if it's attached to my hat. No, I'm not using the antennas because that would look doofy af.
Cut out is bad , I think the problem is a serious one ! If it happens too often for a particular EUC then I think it’s best to avoid ! Duff Let see how many times you get cut off 😅
Hey brother. Your voice tells of what your going through. How does one get through this life without experiencing this. Been there done that. A great teacher that might be helpful is author and good guy Eckhart Tolle. The mind is a powerful thing and it can bring one unhappiness or joy. He's on utube and has several books. Your not alone my friend . Good luck to you. Loving your videos and my euc !
I appreciate that, gotta keeping moving forward.
From TIMES SQUARE NEW YORK CITY !!!!! You GO DUF. I can’t wait for the. V12 HT.
Yea man!
At least there's a test that looks like it will tell you if you're in danger of this problem. It also shows that Inmotion is actively working on it. That's reason for optimism. I hope those with problem V12s will be made whole before they get dashed to pieces and that the next batches will be verifiably solid.
Yep it's good they are working on it although I am afraid their test video is creating more problems because of confusion about it
I've done about 5 spin tests on my V12 (Second Batch). So far it's passed however I still don't feel too comfortable, aside from being a brand new rider (two miles in the kitchen due to Heavy snow and Ice outside) I'm over 200 lbs and I can't imagine how a hand held spin test could ever recreate the actual forces of riding. I gear up for sure. Love you videos and your chats. May you always stay Above the Wheel, Duf Man. Thanks for all your help.
The V12 is my first wheel too. After researching EUC's for about a year, I bought an Inmotion because of their reliability and safety. I really hope InMotion come through and do the right thing.
I can understand the paranoia.
@@Duf jus went back and edited my comment. Lol, Between autocorrect and who knows what, it might make more sense now.
Hang in there Duf and have a great weekend.
No other choice
Thanks Duf get mine next week. Full face and fingers crossed.
Yepper, I did the test today to point out some confusion people have about it.
Gyms might be a good place to meet other people.
Lots of discussion on the forum about the V12.
Look forward to next vid, thanks.
I go to a gym 5 days a week, unfortunately it is very sparsely populated.
I must say I cannot wait to get a ride on a V12. For me its an awesome looking wheel. Solid range, good looks, weatherproofing for the UK and good speed. I think they will sort out the cut out issues and more forward. Solid package. Keep well and keep sharing.
Yep I really love mine.
Did you get the v12 how was your experience?
Duf Man, definitely need to raise the height of the new camera so we have a better view! Be well and until your next video, be safe!
Yea that cam and wheel riding shots is not a good mix
Love that drone shot Duf !
Thanks buddy.
See you soon. V11, RS HS and MCM5v2 are making the trip south. Hope we can find time for a ride or wheel life adventure. Linda
Cool
It's difficult to obtain any electronic components at the moment so maybe that had some baring on it...
Keep your chin up and keep busy. I appreciate the great videos.
Thanks!
I'm still waiting for my batch 2 wheel and I was super excited about my purchase but now it's tainted!
Looks like when I get it I'll have to leave it parked until new control boards are available or risk injury. The main reason I purchased this wheel was because of its supposed safety and quality. I sure hope Inmotion comes through with a proper fix!
Cancel it. All wheels are affected. By doing the test your are just speeding up it's failure. It's an inherent design flaw.
Where is that documented?
I have not heard that all wheels are compromised!
@@whileistillcan9338 Your wheel can get covid too better stop riding!
Kind words all good. Enjoy your new camera and weekend. Hey the good thing is...when your down there is only one way to go and that's up. Time is the great healer.🐊🌴🌞
You got that right!
A bunch of Batch 1 failed the test as well in the tracker, so all V12 units are affected:
Make sure to test yours even if it already worked for some distance. 🙏 Duf: did you test yours?
22% failure rate across all batches: You talked about smaller MOSFETs, their spec is up to 100V and it seems a good chunk of them can work reliably beyond that. Long term degradation is also a concern.
Have you seen the V12 HT announcement? "Increased max power output by 23%" and "More durable MOS"
What do you think about that.
I had not heard of any batch 1 wheels failing? I guess I missed it. Mine was one of the first 30 in the US so it was really early. I haven't done the test, because I don't want to blow out my wheel, lol.
22% across people who are on forums and Facebook groups. Then you have people who just don't want to test it because theirs is running fine so the real percentage is unknown. All of them are affected and it's not the mosfets fault.
@@Duf yes it seems common worry about blowing it out while testing, then people don't when they should.
You often ride next to cars, a cutout would not be pretty, best to test it for your own sake!
By the way you could make a video about how to test well at the same time: a lot of folks struggle to reproduce the stress test from the existing instructions.
@@francomusty5013 yep its not the out of spec MOSFET its the poor design choice basically without a reserve (100V on a 100.8V wheel where rule of thumb is adding 20 - 50% voltage reserve because of voltage spikes). Therefore to some degree all wheels must be affected. I wanted V12 but if they wont add mosfets to the spec I have to look somewhere else
So when you test and it failed, it breaks the euc meaning you can’t use it until it’s fixed?
Does running way below max speed minimize the risk?
Mine did cutout. Rode on it from the 16th to the 31st December. I don't know what hurts more, my injured knee or the fact the I have to wait till March to get the wheel back.
When they say March, it probably means May or June or ??
Damn sorry to hear that. So when it cut, did it no longer turn on or did the motor seize?
@@Duf it turned off mid ride. MOSFETs are out. And motor is reluctant to spin.
@@hedialaya3230 Ok that is exactly what I am trying to explain, if your wheel fails this test, that would be the end result.
Hope you're not too injured. What was the circumstance for the cutout? Speed? Terrain? Just curious how it may possibly happen.
Hey Duf - been a fan of your vids for a long time now. Hate to hear that you are going through rough times, but please know that you have many supporters out here that appreciate you and your content. All the best to you and yours from Oregon!
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
Sean you're awesome stay positive my brother ! Your not the dare devil trickster but your personality makes up the difference ! LOL ! 👍
Oh yea I am just sunshine and rainbows.
U look like ur down?yes ur baby is awsm all animals do.anyway whatever is wrg wit u plz be happy and be grateful of u life.let go of wat hot.and wat is.it will be BETTER.be positive at all time
OK!
One would hope that wheel manufacturers would have or develop a basic regime of tests for wheels, and run a sample of each batch through the regime before releasing them to the public. Most wheel riders are not acrobats or trained stunt people, and having a wheel cut out can be catastrophic.
Agreed the lack of thorough testing in EUC's is a big issue.
i have heard a few ppl say the wheel passed the test and still have a cutout. I stopped riding my b2 v12 after that.
The test has too many variables in execution to rely on, IMO.
At the end of the day. It's new tech in a box. Its like wait a year till you decide on the basis of quality and reliability.
That would likely be the ideal path
Hey mate, great video! I noticed you DIY'd a bumper on the v12 screen! Tutorial video please 😁
I made the design available for free on Thingiverse :) www.thingiverse.com/thing:5231336
@@Duf legend. Thanks bud! What material did you end up using for yours?
Great video
Thx!
Just got my Scorpion AT950 helmet so now I can be like Duf and drink DD while I'm riding! Lol
NICE!
Watching this way later I am thinking about buying a v12 PRO, but I dont know if this cutout issue is fixed or not? Anyone knows ? Security is very important to me and my v10f and my patton never had a cutout.
Yes it has been addressed with newer wheels.
@@Duf Thanks a lot, this was my main concern about the v12.
Duf when are you supposed to get your S20?
Same time as anyone else, aka who the f knows....
So, I've had my wheel since November from a June Order.. so is that First Batch? I haven't had any issues, but a firmware update just came in today..
I hope I didn't mess up by updating my software, but it kinda forced me to do it because my wheel wouldn't charge while the update was available
and said it was a critical issue that needed to be fixed..
So, I've I said I hope the updated firmware doesn't mess my wheel up
If you had bad mosfets the firmware wouldn't change that
@@Duf ; thanks Duf
I still plan to get the v12. Fets seem like a small easy issue to deal with
We will see.
Aren't the newer wheels more powerful and faster??? Maybe MOSFETs not up to snuff...
They are.
Talk about DUF. 1
From Times Square?
I just bought my V12 and then this cutout issue comes about the same time I received it. Bad timing I guess.
Mine did cutout on a ride. I'd be careful using it until they come out with an explanation. Specifically for the 2nd batch ( you can see screws on handle)
@@hedialaya3230 THanks for the advice. Sorry that happened. I hope you came out of it okay.
Same thing here, mine comes next Wednesday
I'm riding mine for the first time tomorrow. Wish me luck.
@@nhguy9950 Good luck! Hope everything goes well.
I did the test InMotion recommended and then I did another one the day after, both times passed. But I feel I still can't trust it. Time will tell if there will be any cutouts on V12's, even after the test. I think Inmotion need to replace the board with higher voltage MOSFETS.
Exactly. Offer to change all the motherboard. I dont care if mine passed the test i cant trust it too. This means your best bet is dont charge fully and when you are at higher battery % avoid doing hard braking to avoid regen
Hey if they are going to have a dealer do the work and pay for shipping both ways sure, change my board. But we all know that will not be the case.
Another reason that you should NOT do this test at 100% charge
@@Duf AlienRide killed a few wheels out of box though, 40-70% charge. Doesn't need to be 100% full charged to have a failure which is the scary part imo.
Mine shuts off during the test like immediately. InMotion should've shown an example, but it's like NOTHING you'd expect. I rock the wheel forward, it pushes back a bit, and then... shuts off. Screen blank. Lights off. Motor cuts. Crazy.
Enjoy yer Sunday man ! Do the Betty White challenge ! $5.00 to an animal shelter. Elsa will be proud of you. Heh. Heh heh.
I donated to an abandoned farm animal charity for Christmas. :)
Ill get s22
Grats
The real problem is in design not the batch. The wheel is rated for 100.8 V battery. The maximum MOSFET rating is 100 V. Because MOSFETs are driving an inductive load there are voltage spikes and a rule of thumb is to have like 20 % - 50 % reserve in voltage rating. In this case atleast 125 V rated MOSFETs. So I am little disappointed of the design choice here because its an obvious fault and I wanted to have V12. Hope Inmotion solve this up to standard by using correctly rated MOSFETs.
So it is 100% confirmed the MOSFET on the V12's are only rated to 100V?
And now Ewheels is saying May for new v12s. I really wanted one but may just won't do. S20 it is
Ugh, as much as I like my V12 I would likely trade it for a S20, any day.
@@Duf absolutely.
Why u sad?life is to short to think like that,live on and glide be happy move ahead not backwards,I'm single I'm to busy to worry or be sad,I move on wit my life wit or without any1 by my side.i know martial arts I go to places I've never been too.im never worry,u have wat others don't have so be proudly of ur success and glade ur healthy wit ur six pack I see wen u rideing.so cheer on and live jus breath ahhhh!!!ok
I'm doing ok Tia but thanks for the words of encouragement.
Is it still a issue?
Not with newer models
Yes it is. I crashed twice. 2 cut outs on my v12 ht. One yesterday soon as I got it back fully repaired with a new battery and controller. I'm passed. Went from loving this wheel to never trusting InMotion again.
1st crash was 30 mph seated. Apparently a battery was unbalanced After 2379 miles. E wheels fixed it for free. Just got it back rode like 2 miles under 25 mph and cut out on flat new road pavement. The rim is bent and it won't turn on. Both crashes I was lucky I'm loose ( pause 😅 ) and thin n lightweight and fully geared minus gloves. All I got was scraped knuckles and a lil soreness.
I'm thinking about mounting three cheap ass FPV cameras on top of a helmet in a circle. I mean, if it works over and in the air it should be pretty easy to support if it's attached to my hat. No, I'm not using the antennas because that would look doofy af.
Wouldn't an Insta360 be easier? :)
@@Duf Insta360 doesn't stream video.
Cut out is bad , I think the problem is a serious one ! If it happens too often for a particular EUC then I think it’s best to avoid ! Duff Let see how many times you get cut off 😅
Yes lets see
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Thx
Unfortunately it has nothing to do with batches.. all batches have the same probability to fail. Looking more like a design flaw.
I really don't think that is true. I have seen some Batch 1 wheels get abused way harder than this with no issue.
Definitely a bad batch. My friend has a batch 1 v12 and he rides like a crazy man (off road jumping, up and down stairs) with no problems at all.
Clone Force 99.
Sorry to disappoint. Batch 1 fail as much as other batches
That is my feeling as well although supposedly some Batch 1 wheels fail "the test"