Like in the beginning with OG Dragon Ball, everybody wants something from the Dragon Balls, but Goku doesn’t really know what he wants and eventually it seems like he wants to be like master Roshi and become like a fighter and martial arts. he learns all the virtues of that like honor and mercy and humility, etc.. But when he fights, Piccolo and lets him live it feels like he’s doing it for the wrong reasons partially. when he lets him live. I feel like and I know I’m not the only one to say this, but Z is like especially early on Goku’s battle with nature versus nurture when radditsfirst tells him he’s a sayain he’s kind of in denial and even after that, he doesn’t seem to fully accept it, he dies fighting raddits to save his son and in the sayain arc he lets vegeta live again for somewhat of the wrong reasons well yes he’s merciful in hopes they change he also really wants to fight them again and that’s a big motive. I’m pretty sure he says this but it seems after freeze and he realizes you can’t give everyone second and third chances he even tells gohan to kill cell to kill before he gets desperate, Buu arc he wants to successor in the new generation to take over, which is perfect because cell has the DNA out of every fighter aside from Gohan now he put him into the test, but the flaw is he doesn’t really think about what Gohan wants and what type of person Gohan is and also Gohan never put in the position to have this overwhelming power and be at the top so when he does get put in that position, even though he’s normally the rational and more peaceful guy, he’s super arrogant overconfident, and it cost him so Goku realizing his mistake again dies for his son and the planet, and all his family and friends He realizes a lot of villains like the red ribbon army like frieza like the sayains or drawn to earth because they come for him so he would rather stay dead because he think he might be the biggest threat to earth when he comes back in the buu arc . He’s literally letting buu get more and more powerful to the point where he can’t beat him anymore because he wants someone else to take his place as the protector of earth but after Vegeta help him realize it with the spirit bomb they realize it’s never been just one person. It’s always been working together, whether it be him training and learning for techniques and virtues, whether it be him literally jumping villains and, id say they even retread or reinforce this in the tournament of power arc. Even as late as the morrow arc , he still learning lessons like miris(prob spelled wrong) asking why does Goku fight and almost kinda pushing him to be more heroic and to fight for the beauty of life something along those lines. And super yes at some point I guess you could say he’s also kind of more stupid and silly, but also I would say he seems older now way more carefree. He’s not taking things as seriously a good majority of the time and most of the villains aren’t as much villains aside from Goku black and frieza. beerus is not a villain. Jiren and hit are from tournaments. They aren’t real villains. They may be challenges to his ideology or rather he’s challenges to theirs, especially Jiren. I know this is a big rant in Yap session kind of all over the place and not really articulated. Well better at speaking than I am typing things out. To sum up, I think he made massive improvements when it comes to his limits on how merciful he will be doing things for the right reasons realizing would go realizing that everyone has been brought up by is the reason for their success rather than needing to find someone to take his place as earth protector, talking to Miris about why he fights. Stomach hurts so bad.Sorry. I’ve also heard concepts like he’s similar to wukong in journey to the west. People say he’s like the ego destroyer where in that story he kind of defeats people and turns them good which is what Goku does with a lot of his villains. I would say I think there are some videos on RUclips that explain it much better and have a better understanding of it, but I watch those videos and I think I understand, the basic ideas behind it. I also think there’s a bunch of lessons learned becoming a martial art in general. I think he also is really good at judging peoples characters now you could argue that’s not true with frost, but I feel like people like Broly kinda give a good example of when the show mercy went to try to help vs real villains like morrow and frieza. I think Goku also eventually understood that. Yes he is a. Sayain but he doesn’t have to be some ruthless killer like his biology suggest there’s so many more things and again I’m not the best at articulating it but I think this could give you some of an idea. I don’t think he’s a flat character his personality may stay somewhat similar I think, develops a lot and calling him. A flat character is sort of disheartening from a fan.
Again, there’s so many more things I think I made a playlist a year ago of a bunch of videos that I think I agreed with about Goku’s character I could un private it if you want I know it’s kind of sad chicken out of saying it for myself, but there’s so much to go over and I don’t think I can discuss it all in yt comments
@@vanillamilk7575 I understand Goku's character very well. Everything you described is cool but it's not REALLY anything significant as far as character development goes. He's still a flat character. Goku from the End of Dragon Ball is the same Goku we see in Super personality wise. In fact, if you take the Goku we have now and put him in the Saiyan saga with all the lessons he's learned, it'll probably be exactly the same. He'd still try to fight Vegeta on his own and get overwhelmed by the Great ape and so on... Same with the Frieza saga. That's the mark of a flat character
@@thedead073He’d do the same thing cause hed know vegeta would become a hero later on obviously😂 Goku is not a flat character im tired of this agenda. He has multiple different arcs and him in the pilaf arc is VERY different from him in end of z.
Bro thanks just thanks bro these videos of if dragon Ball z is overrated is making my brain hurt then they call them self dragon Ball fans as a defense
Carthu’s dojo had a video with Tso_Sage. He had a segment about one of Goku’s subtle character change in regards to sparing villains and seeing the good in people. Also, the main character doesn’t have to change to be a good story or to make him a good character. One of the best movies imo and to most movie critics is 12 Angry Men. Does juror #8 who’s essentially the protagonist change in any way? Not really at all. Doesn’t stop him from being a great character.
@@NeonToonxyl That is what im thinking and its probably because how big the fandom is in general. Some OG DB fans don't like anything that came after it, some Z fans don't like anything that came after it, GT fans don't like anything that came after it, then Super fans don't specifically like something that came before it. A double edged sword is what I can call trying to coop into the Dragonball community or any anime fandom for that.
Dragon ball from king piccolo to the cell saga is legendary, things outside of that are really hit or miss with weird pacing and some oddly placed gags.
I would never call DBZ overrated, my problem is My entire life everyone's all about DBZ but no one ever gives original Dragon Ball that respect the deserves anymore
No short answer no. It literally defined a generation of fans and future manga that would become big hits. Most of the current day big Manga are written by people inspired by Dragonball. Over here in the west it was the anime that basically started the anime craze. There were a few anime brought over before then Sailor Moon, Ronin Warriors, Speed Racer but Dragonball was the one that really knocked it out of the park. Now I admit it had its flaws some of the later arcs specifically Buu created some big plot holes and felt more like a cash grab then anything and the filler and fight padding did tend to drag on far to long sometimes but overall Dragonball Z deserves all the hype and praise it gets
It isn't overrated. Butit also doesn't hold up nearly as well on eatching it as an adult as it did when I was a teen. I do have to say...in Dragonball Goku being suprised by things and how the world realpy worked was cute. By mid DBZ it was really annoying and by the end it was really starting to piss me off. At times Goku comes across as a flat out moron.
Actually, Akira helped me at a young age to fight in Chinese MMA. I trained mentally and physically by watching Kakarot & Vegeta and the other characters fight. Jiren helped me a lot to new fighting skills when he went against HIT and the characters taught me even when I’m not fighting anybody. to think actively in fighting scenarios to overcome them. Goku has the spirit of the warrior in him which influenced me to love to fightt and grew the same mentality of loving to fight others to show my skills and to test my fighting against the strongest and NOT being scared. I love watching the DB fights because it teaches me a thing of 2 and what to bring to the table while fighting. And honesty I feel like people overlook these anime’s because of “fake fighting” which isn’t the case they took the fighting style we use or we got to train to achieve it just looks fake because it’s in Anime but I tell you watch it to learn how to fight and you will learn couple things and more especially from dragon ball
But obviously flying shooting Jo’s from our hands and freezing people with our eyes yes fake and jumping really high and throwing punches and kicks under 1 millisecond is fake but if you can take the real and keep the fake in the fake you’ll see what I’m talking about😊
It's the best anime. Heroes are muscular. Nobody wants a skinny hero. That's not ideal. It's a feel good story. It must portray the perfect physique of a hero.
Totally not Marks series on each dbz arc very much show how deep the story is. Dbz is overall written pretty well. Mostly the Namek and Cell sagas things like the kamehameha deeper meaning and friezas depth as a villain
Animation is the one area I have to disagree. DBZ was not really good for it's era. Much of the changes in the animation come from a production standpoint. Animators haven't actually changed much as many animators still work the same way they did back on DBZ, on pen and paper. The major shift comes from the coloring process going from hand painted on physical celluloid to digital painting in a computer as well as digital compositing. Although some cel anime did use some digital compositing before making the shift to entirely digital for it's coloring process. The major shift is the wealth of new animators who are not only trying new stuff but also many of those have refined their skills over the years. Plus some series have had improved production schedules to allow for more refined and better animation with more interesting shots that are typically harder to draw as well as more frames of animation. DBZ has a lot of pretty well directed episodes that might not have a ton of unique frames of animation but they're shot well enough to make up for the limited animation. DBZ is slightly overrated at least amongst those who haven't seen other anime. It's a great shonen but it is often many people's only anime or one of a select few mainstream anime. Also Goku being more of a flat character is very much a good thing. Much like Luffy, that flat character they have is often times making them an active character instead of a reactive character. Goku's actions often lead to many plot points happening instead of Goku waiting for something to happen to him. Best example is Goku vs Gohan. Goku acts while Gohan reacts
Yeah naruto world building is pretty bad. We don't know a whole lot about the land of fire and we get next to nothing about the naruto world as a whole.
I retract my previous statement. As I go further into this video, I understand how people say that this show is fairly rated. It's not the best, not by a wide margin, but it is good for what it is. I think most of my hate stems from Dragon Ball Super and the whole damn fandumb that surrounds that specific show alone with their whole "Goku solos your favorite verse" bullshit even if the show I'm watching is fucking Detective Conan, but I digress. DBZ is a worldwide phenomenon and there's no doubt as to why that is and nobody can replicate it, not GT and definitely not Super. There's only one DBZ or 2 if you count Kai (Which I do because that was my introduction to the series as a whole). Again, the only thing that makes this show overrated is the fanbase, but that's really all
@@nerdoftheseasonnwibani2456 its no problem, when i first heard it i had to search for it for so long, even if you shazam it the song doesnt pull up. Just glad i could give it to ya.
This is an unnecessary question. DragonBall hasn't been good for a decade so asking if it's overrated has no point unless you are specifically talking about Super. If you're talking about the original airing of the show then yes. If you're talking about Kai or the manga then no.
I don’t believe goku is a flat character.
Well too bad he is a textbook example of a flat character
Like in the beginning with OG Dragon Ball, everybody wants something from the Dragon Balls, but Goku doesn’t really know what he wants and eventually it seems like he wants to be like master Roshi and become like a fighter and martial arts. he learns all the virtues of that like honor and mercy and humility, etc..
But when he fights, Piccolo and lets him live it feels like he’s doing it for the wrong reasons partially. when he lets him live. I feel like and I know I’m not the only one to say this,
but Z is like especially early on Goku’s battle with nature versus nurture when radditsfirst tells him he’s a sayain he’s kind of in denial and even after that, he doesn’t seem to fully accept it, he dies fighting raddits to save his son and in the sayain arc he lets vegeta live again for somewhat of the wrong reasons well yes he’s merciful in hopes they change he also really wants to fight them again and that’s a big motive. I’m pretty sure he says this but it seems after freeze and he realizes you can’t give everyone second and third chances he even tells gohan to kill cell to kill before he gets desperate,
Buu arc he wants to successor in the new generation to take over, which is perfect because cell has the DNA out of every fighter aside from Gohan now he put him into the test, but the flaw is he doesn’t really think about what Gohan wants and what type of person Gohan is and also Gohan never put in the position to have this overwhelming power and be at the top so when he does get put in that position, even though he’s normally the rational and more peaceful guy, he’s super arrogant overconfident, and it cost him so Goku realizing his mistake again dies for his son and the planet, and all his family and friends He realizes a lot of villains like the red ribbon army like frieza like the sayains or drawn to earth because they come for him so he would rather stay dead because he think he might be the biggest threat to earth
when he comes back in the buu arc . He’s literally letting buu get more and more powerful to the point where he can’t beat him anymore because he wants someone else to take his place as the protector of earth but after Vegeta help him realize it with the spirit bomb they realize it’s never been just one person. It’s always been working together, whether it be him training and learning for techniques and virtues, whether it be him literally jumping villains and, id say they even retread or reinforce this in the tournament of power arc. Even as late as the morrow arc , he still learning lessons like miris(prob spelled wrong) asking why does Goku fight and almost kinda pushing him to be more heroic and to fight for the beauty of life something along those lines. And super yes at some point I guess you could say he’s also kind of more stupid and silly, but also I would say he seems older now way more carefree. He’s not taking things as seriously a good majority of the time and most of the villains aren’t as much villains aside from Goku black and frieza. beerus is not a villain. Jiren and hit are from tournaments. They aren’t real villains. They may be challenges to his ideology or rather he’s challenges to theirs, especially Jiren.
I know this is a big rant in Yap session kind of all over the place and not really articulated. Well better at speaking than I am typing things out.
To sum up, I think he made massive improvements when it comes to his limits on how merciful he will be doing things for the right reasons realizing would go realizing that everyone has been brought up by is the reason for their success rather than needing to find someone to take his place as earth protector, talking to Miris about why he fights. Stomach hurts so bad.Sorry. I’ve also heard concepts like he’s similar to wukong in journey to the west. People say he’s like the ego destroyer where in that story he kind of defeats people and turns them good which is what Goku does with a lot of his villains. I would say I think there are some videos on RUclips that explain it much better and have a better understanding of it, but I watch those videos and I think I understand, the basic ideas behind it. I also think there’s a bunch of lessons learned becoming a martial art in general. I think he also is really good at judging peoples characters now you could argue that’s not true with frost, but I feel like people like Broly kinda give a good example of when the show mercy went to try to help vs real villains like morrow and frieza. I think Goku also eventually understood that. Yes he is a. Sayain but he doesn’t have to be some ruthless killer like his biology suggest there’s so many more things and again I’m not the best at articulating it but I think this could give you some of an idea. I don’t think he’s a flat character his personality may stay somewhat similar I think, develops a lot and calling him. A flat character is sort of disheartening from a fan.
Again, there’s so many more things I think I made a playlist a year ago of a bunch of videos that I think I agreed with about Goku’s character I could un private it if you want I know it’s kind of sad chicken out of saying it for myself, but there’s so much to go over and I don’t think I can discuss it all in yt comments
@@vanillamilk7575 I understand Goku's character very well. Everything you described is cool but it's not REALLY anything significant as far as character development goes. He's still a flat character.
Goku from the End of Dragon Ball is the same Goku we see in Super personality wise. In fact, if you take the Goku we have now and put him in the Saiyan saga with all the lessons he's learned, it'll probably be exactly the same. He'd still try to fight Vegeta on his own and get overwhelmed by the Great ape and so on... Same with the Frieza saga. That's the mark of a flat character
@@thedead073He’d do the same thing cause hed know vegeta would become a hero later on obviously😂 Goku is not a flat character im tired of this agenda. He has multiple different arcs and him in the pilaf arc is VERY different from him in end of z.
Bro thanks just thanks bro these videos of if dragon
Ball z is overrated is making my brain hurt then they call them self dragon
Ball fans as a defense
I love dragon ball z it’s really amazing and badass in my opinion.
No
Its grossly overrated like to a terrible extent
Both at once. A timeless classic and overrated. But I'll always say it's flawed.
Carthu’s dojo had a video with Tso_Sage. He had a segment about one of Goku’s subtle character change in regards to sparing villains and seeing the good in people.
Also, the main character doesn’t have to change to be a good story or to make him a good character. One of the best movies imo and to most movie critics is 12 Angry Men. Does juror #8 who’s essentially the protagonist change in any way? Not really at all. Doesn’t stop him from being a great character.
This.
Big 3 will always be One Piece, Naruto and Bleach but the GodFather of shonen will always be Dragon Ball
Just by having a thumbnail with goku and the word "overrated," you're probably on a cartel watchlist now
He brought the Fire let him get Burned.
He brought the Fire 🔥 let him get Burned by it.
Dbz is definitely NOT overrated.
Definitely Super, but not Z
Half of the DragonBall fandom hates super, really it’s overhated
@@NeonToonxyl That is what im thinking and its probably because how big the fandom is in general. Some OG DB fans don't like anything that came after it, some Z fans don't like anything that came after it, GT fans don't like anything that came after it, then Super fans don't specifically like something that came before it. A double edged sword is what I can call trying to coop into the Dragonball community or any anime fandom for that.
@@NeonToonxylsuper deserves its hate for the foolery it’s done to Goku
@@swampfire9382I swear if Gag is ur reason for him being regressed.
Dragon ball from king piccolo to the cell saga is legendary, things outside of that are really hit or miss with weird pacing and some oddly placed gags.
I would never call DBZ overrated, my problem is My entire life everyone's all about DBZ but no one ever gives original Dragon Ball that respect the deserves anymore
It shouldn't matter because it lasted longer than most anime. So it doesn't matter who says it's overrated.
Goku has developed heavily over Dragon ball and Dragon Ball Z
Goku is an all time great fictional character
Super is overrated. Z is not, not even close lol
Goku is a flat character but I don't mind. Because of him everyone has belief
Goku does have character development you just have to be a true fan to understand that
Dude dragon ball is goated and goku is a goated character. If you dont understand him then Ou just dont understand him.
lol I loved the quick answer of…. “No” it just worked.
No short answer no. It literally defined a generation of fans and future manga that would become big hits. Most of the current day big Manga are written by people inspired by Dragonball.
Over here in the west it was the anime that basically started the anime craze. There were a few anime brought over before then Sailor Moon, Ronin Warriors, Speed Racer but Dragonball was the one that really knocked it out of the park.
Now I admit it had its flaws some of the later arcs specifically Buu created some big plot holes and felt more like a cash grab then anything and the filler and fight padding did tend to drag on far to long sometimes but overall Dragonball Z deserves all the hype and praise it gets
It isn't overrated. Butit also doesn't hold up nearly as well on eatching it as an adult as it did when I was a teen. I do have to say...in Dragonball Goku being suprised by things and how the world realpy worked was cute. By mid DBZ it was really annoying and by the end it was really starting to piss me off. At times Goku comes across as a flat out moron.
Dbz is def sterotypical bur tht makes it easy to follow
when you were ranking super saiyen forms were was ultemate form gohan
Dragon ball z is ok but it not my favorite anime.
Actually, Akira helped me at a young age to fight in Chinese MMA. I trained mentally and physically by watching Kakarot & Vegeta and the other characters fight. Jiren helped me a lot to new fighting skills when he went against HIT and the characters taught me even when I’m not fighting anybody. to think actively in fighting scenarios to overcome them. Goku has the spirit of the warrior in him which influenced me to love to fightt and grew the same mentality of loving to fight others to show my skills and to test my fighting against the strongest and NOT being scared. I love watching the DB fights because it teaches me a thing of 2 and what to bring to the table while fighting. And honesty I feel like people overlook these anime’s because of “fake fighting” which isn’t the case they took the fighting style we use or we got to train to achieve it just looks fake because it’s in Anime but I tell you watch it to learn how to fight and you will learn couple things and more especially from dragon ball
But obviously flying shooting Jo’s from our hands and freezing people with our eyes yes fake and jumping really high and throwing punches and kicks under 1 millisecond is fake but if you can take the real and keep the fake in the fake you’ll see what I’m talking about😊
You brought the Fire 🔥 let you get Burned by it.
It's the best anime. Heroes are muscular. Nobody wants a skinny hero. That's not ideal. It's a feel good story. It must portray the perfect physique of a hero.
Muscular characters doesn’t make good shit
Goku is a great character
HELL NO…….timeless!
Dbs > the big 3
Yes
Totally not Marks series on each dbz arc very much show how deep the story is. Dbz is overall written pretty well. Mostly the Namek and Cell sagas things like the kamehameha deeper meaning and friezas depth as a villain
Animation is the one area I have to disagree. DBZ was not really good for it's era. Much of the changes in the animation come from a production standpoint. Animators haven't actually changed much as many animators still work the same way they did back on DBZ, on pen and paper. The major shift comes from the coloring process going from hand painted on physical celluloid to digital painting in a computer as well as digital compositing. Although some cel anime did use some digital compositing before making the shift to entirely digital for it's coloring process. The major shift is the wealth of new animators who are not only trying new stuff but also many of those have refined their skills over the years. Plus some series have had improved production schedules to allow for more refined and better animation with more interesting shots that are typically harder to draw as well as more frames of animation.
DBZ has a lot of pretty well directed episodes that might not have a ton of unique frames of animation but they're shot well enough to make up for the limited animation.
DBZ is slightly overrated at least amongst those who haven't seen other anime. It's a great shonen but it is often many people's only anime or one of a select few mainstream anime.
Also Goku being more of a flat character is very much a good thing. Much like Luffy, that flat character they have is often times making them an active character instead of a reactive character. Goku's actions often lead to many plot points happening instead of Goku waiting for something to happen to him. Best example is Goku vs Gohan. Goku acts while Gohan reacts
Yeah naruto world building is pretty bad. We don't know a whole lot about the land of fire and we get next to nothing about the naruto world as a whole.
So is the dragon ball world
HELL NO! DRAGON BALL ON TOP!
1p is not better than db.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT "NO"??!!
I retract my previous statement. As I go further into this video, I understand how people say that this show is fairly rated. It's not the best, not by a wide margin, but it is good for what it is. I think most of my hate stems from Dragon Ball Super and the whole damn fandumb that surrounds that specific show alone with their whole "Goku solos your favorite verse" bullshit even if the show I'm watching is fucking Detective Conan, but I digress. DBZ is a worldwide phenomenon and there's no doubt as to why that is and nobody can replicate it, not GT and definitely not Super. There's only one DBZ or 2 if you count Kai (Which I do because that was my introduction to the series as a whole). Again, the only thing that makes this show overrated is the fanbase, but that's really all
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awesome video
What is the music at 3:53?
it's from one piece, idk
I got you big homie
“The worlds number one Oden store” - from one piece
I hate when people reply and dont give the answer
@@RandomName-xx9ls Bro thank you so much! I have been hearing this track in his videos for so long and no one ever put it in the comments.
@@nerdoftheseasonnwibani2456 its no problem, when i first heard it i had to search for it for so long, even if you shazam it the song doesnt pull up. Just glad i could give it to ya.
great video
This is an unnecessary question. DragonBall hasn't been good for a decade so asking if it's overrated has no point unless you are specifically talking about Super.
If you're talking about the original airing of the show then yes.
If you're talking about Kai or the manga then no.