Long Recoil was used in shotguns because, at the time, black powder shotgun shells were still dominant, though smokeless powder was starting to overtake it. For self-loading rifles, the extra time that long recoil guns stayed locked was critical. Case metallurgy was extremely primitive and catastrophic case failure was common. The extra time that the action was locked together reduced pressure greatly and greatly reduced the chance of case failure. Machineguns of the era were usually short recoil type designs and relied on large reciprocating masses to delay the unlocking of the action. Long recoil gave the same delaying effect, but with reduced weight.
@@daetslovactmandcarry6999 I’m pretty sure he owns one but most of the guns featured on this channel are borrowed. Gotta remember he’s written books on French rifles it’s kinda his niche
@@daetslovactmandcarry6999 he owns a whole bunch of french things including a famas, but yeah, like he said, everything else he shows is almost always borrowed
Same, i remember 1st learning this on that pistol on its own video he made way back, then forget after the lynx video then wanted to remember how it worked after seeing the lynx vid a year later once more :)
You know its a good video when literally within the 1st second, the explanation has already begun. No bullshit, no rambling, just the deliverance of information.
This is one reason why I like this channel, am not a gun nut, have very limited interest or experience, but like hearing about the engineering or the stories behind them.
When I was young and learning how guns worked I took apart my dad's Browning auto 5. Not knowing how it worked and how it was different from other semi-autos I was familiar with I got my thumb bit by the bolt when it released forward. Those guns have really strong recoil springs and that ejector is pretty darn sharp let me tell you.
I have an old 70's Browning auto-5 and boy is it the most satisfying "clink-kachunk" on the planet when shooting clays. Big fan of it. Also, the shotgun seems to be all to excited about being fed ammo. If the bolt is locked open and you load a shell into the magazine tube, it'll immediately rip it out and slam it into the chamber. I've never had a firearm this eager for skeet before...
I think these videos explaining the basic concepts are a great idea. I know a number of people who are history buffs but not shooters. I think these videos will make it much easier for them to understand what you are talking about in your other videos.
Exactly my situation. History fascinates me, machines fascinate me, things that go boom fascinate me, and so this era of firearms is just really cool because you get to see how everyone was working these things out, except I personally have very little experience with firearms or opportunities to gain any more, so these videos are very helpful since understanding the most basic principles is making everything else make so much more sense
In gunsmithing school right now, and after reading about this system, having no prior knowledge of it, I couldn't for the life of me picture how this worked. THANK YOU!
Guns in this video (listing only when they first appear): 0:00 [top] Winchester Model 1911 Self Loading [bottom] Frommer Stop. 1:26 Remington Model 8. 1:43 Chauchat. Videos on these guns: Winchester Model 11: ruclips.net/video/6aX4W4HVo_U/видео.html Frommer Stop ruclips.net/video/39tX_7-mkMA/видео.html Remington Model 8 www.forgottenweapons.com/slow-motion-remington-model-8/ A bit more history: ruclips.net/video/QpYIX5bPtcA/видео.html Chauchat ruclips.net/video/bCwP3Dm52Ls/видео.html&vl=en I try to prioritize videos by Ian on the technical and historical aspects of these guns.
Careful! Don't get accused of being a school shooter in training! One of my friends was talking about how he goes skeet shooting with another friend and a teacher heard and accused him of prepping a school shooting
@@letsgoiowa here in Italy we basically never had mass shooting, but we have the same "people who accuse gun owners for everything" issue. The only times we had terrorist acts were in the "lead years" in the 60's when communist and fascists were killing each other
Ian , what about doing a series in the diver and submarine weapons,? example: mark 1 US MARINES underwater revolver , girojet flechete harpoon , the russian divers AKs ,the german HK M11 pistol ,etc. lots of forgotten stuff there!!!
Not so much forgotten as barely known. I am pretty sure the HK stuff and the russian APS/PPS are still in use by the respective combat divers. There was something about a new russian AR for underwater and regular use, but I'm not sure if they actually got them in numbers or did the usual purchase of 10 or so Units so that the manufacturer can Claim official use by the army for sales purposes.
I love your shows and I think these small mechanics videos will be a lot of help to people. I have used them already to show people how the mechanism works.
Woo! One of my most cherished firearms is my grandfather's old goose gun - a FN manufactured Auto-5 3" Magnum. I actually feel less recoil "shock" on firing from it since if the springs and friction rings are set up properly it's not slamming into the back of the receiver, it's more of a shove than a punch as the system transfers the recoil over it's full travel.
A Winchester Model 1911!! Winchester's attempt at engineering around the patents of John Moses Browning and his A5 / Remington 11. Being very forgotten, it deserves a show of its own: almost no screws in assembly like a Mauser C-96, fascinating cocking method, fragile fore-end and all. My brother had one for a while, (had to make a new and "beefier" fore-end). He traded that 1911 to a serious Winchester collector and then moved up to an A5; an early engraved, cased, trap / skeet combo with the fore-and-aft safety in the front of the trigger-guard. Long gone now.
I do hope he does a video on it. It's an interesting design and I enjoy mine, even if it's annoying having to cycle it while trying to figure out how to grab a hot barrel.
These short explanation videos are fantastic. I mean, I've already learned a hell of a lot about all kinds of firearms since joining the channel and visiting the site, but I'm still lacking knowledge about many concepts that people who actually own and shoot weapons would probably consider to be very basic stuff. Please sir, may we have some more? Thanks Ian, great work!
And gun jesus did tell of the early works of the disciples, that they were good and praiseworthy but finnicky...but the disciples did learn in time and it was good... Amen
Ian, the bullet going forward does not make the barrel go back. On the contrary, the friction will pull the barrel forward - that's how forward stroke systems work. The pressure on the back of the case makes it go back - and the breach face with it - and the barrel, if it's locked into the slide.
Now that silencers are more popular than ever, perhaps long recoil will make a comeback. The long travel rearward with the barrel and bolt locked together, cartridge fixed in place, means much lower pressures when it finally unlocks, as much more of the gas will be forced forward through the silencer at the muzzle. This would make for quieter operation, especially with subsonics, making it more like a manual action. In some cartridges, like .22LR, manual actions are generally noticeably quieter than self-loading actions, but long recoil could prove to be an exception. Modern technology would enable these guns to be more accurate than the long recoil guns of the past. Using modern recoil reduction methods would also reduce felt recoil. Muzzle devices can help, like the silencer I mentioned, but a recoil buffer spring (probably in the stock) would decelerate the barrel and bolt as they travel rearward for less jolting recoil. Those are simple solutions. Upping the budget, a Russian-style BARS (Balanced Automatic Recoil System) could greatly reduced felt recoil. Of course, for a very light recoiling round like .22LR no recoil reduction method may be necessary. Even without one, an integrally silenced long recoil .22LR could potentially be amazing, being a semi-auto (or automatic) offering a level of noise comparable to a manual action. If I was developing an integrally suppressed .22LR I'd definitely try it. Delaying the unlocking as long as possible in a semi-auto would reduce sound volume and gas blowback into the face of the shooter. In a semi-auto, perhaps other methods might work even better. I imagine a trigger that fires on pull, and unlocks the bolt to chamber a new round on release. It could work with any action. More recoil than some other actions, for sure, but it would be as quiet as a manual action since the human finger can be made to move more slowly than any firearm's mechanical automatic self-loading operation. Shooting it would be just like normal, press and release. It might feel a little jumpy or jerky since it moves twice, but that would make it as quiet as a manual action (arguably it would be a manual action, operated by the trigger release) yet firing as fast as a semi-auto.
The Gast principle uses two long recoil guns, side by side, with the barrels of each linked together and firing alternately. Other than the original WW1 Gast gun only a couple of Soviet autocannons have used this principle though.
The Ultimax is "Constant Recoil"... supposedly it's designed so that the bolt doesn't smack into the rear of the receiver, so the recoil is softer. Other that that it's a short-stroke gas piston gun.
Ian, please forgive my transgression here, but is "Chauchat" the French term for "Hot Pu$$y"? (Using my High School French education, here.) LOL @@ForgottenWeapons
Very good, but technically speaking the recoil doesn't directly push the barrel back. It pushes the bolt back, and the bolt pulls the barrel with it since they're locked together at that point. If anything, the force of firing tends to act forward upon the barrel (see blow-forward systems)
The Long Recoil Browning A5 and it's clone the Franchi 48 can even be run reliably with Black Powder loads if the friction rings are removed. I wonder if this is an inherent capability of long recoil systems in general.
I am curious about the viability of a long recoil action rifle in a modern military environment. As in a long recoil action LMG designed to fire very hot loads of ammunition (full case of .30-06 type pressure) ? Secondly, because one of the faults of the long recoil system is the recoil impluse it self, would the counter balance system used on the ak-100s solve the problem? I'm 13 and really interested in firearm engineering, so this really stood out in my head. Keep up the amazing work and i hope you grow your collection of extremely cool and rare firearms
Sub machine guns get their name from sub sonic cartridges. the blow back system they use does not work with high velocity ammunition. The rate of fire is governed by the distance the bolt has to travel to eject and chamber a cartridge. Fixed firing pins are mainly used and the primer caps are hardened to take the impact that can occur when the new cartridge is fed from the magazine. I know people will argue the point ,but this is fact.
The term submachine gun was coined by Thompson, to describe a small handheld machine gun. It is not related to ammunition being subsonic or supersonic. The rate of fire is generally controlled by a combination of bolt weight and spring force. And submachine guns do not require special primers in their ammunition.
YOU ARE WRONG SORRY. 9mm machine gun ammo has hardened primers especially sten gun ammo. Make a submachine gun using super sonic ammo if your game and let me see you fire it.
I find these really helpful. Just a thought why not do a series on cleaning, maintaining and displaying C&R vintage firearms? As a relatively new collector I don't seem to be able to find much reliable advise out there? Thanks for the show.
Seems logical to combine long recoil with a air compression buffering system to spread the recoil out. Of course it would provide less cushioning as the air pressure decreased at higher altitudes. One could make it adjustable to account for altitude.
Although Ian didn’t mention it , I was/am under the impression that long recoil systems are at their best with automatic anti-aircraft artillary, in the 25-57mm range. The guns are ground based so the recoil, which is its biggest drawback, isn’t felt by the gunners
Excellent Video, Ian! Can you do a similar video of the Blow-Forward action? I know you did the two 1908 pistols (Japan & Schwarzlose), but I think they could both be pretty nicely combined overall to better illustrate such an unusual design...
Seems like it would be really good for suppressed guns since it takes so long to cycle compared to other self loading systems, and doesn't rely on gasses to make the gun run reliably.
I always thought the Long Recoil System should provide plenty of energy to work the action and do so without using any kind of gas port, piston etc = "The Whole Barrel Is The Gas Piston". It also seemed to me that A) You couldn't mount a bayonet, if you wanted to and B) If you tried to mount a scope on the barrel it would be destroyed by G-forces - and C) if you mounted it to the frame then slop between frame & barrel is going to destroy accuracy.
Could you improve the recoil by extending the distance the barrel and bolt travel backwards beyond what they strictly need to, so that they slow down more gradually?
Why Jay If you want to get smacked in the face with a piece of metal maybe. And no, because that doesn’t dampen felt recoil. Recoil is caused by the mass of moving parts and hot lead being accelerated extraordinarily fast.
That would be trading a sudden kick for a long push. Don't know if you'll find it an improvement, since you'll also have a slower rate of fire. You could use a Muzzle Brake to slow down the action. I would have all the affects of what you're proposing without making the gun much heavier or longer.
@@ThZuao No one that shoots these type of firearms regularly complains about the slightly slower rate of fire of a constant-recoil gun. The Swedish K SMG has a rate of fire of 500 rounds a minute, versus the 600 rpm of the Uzi. Guess which one Ian prefers to shoot. Muzzle brakes come with the penalty of increased side blast, which can make them really unpleasant for anyone else around the shooter; and adding a muzzle brake is a nearly equivalent increase on the total length of the gun compared to constant-recoil.
Long Recoil was used in shotguns because, at the time, black powder shotgun shells were still dominant, though smokeless powder was starting to overtake it.
For self-loading rifles, the extra time that long recoil guns stayed locked was critical. Case metallurgy was extremely primitive and catastrophic case failure was common. The extra time that the action was locked together reduced pressure greatly and greatly reduced the chance of case failure. Machineguns of the era were usually short recoil type designs and relied on large reciprocating masses to delay the unlocking of the action. Long recoil gave the same delaying effect, but with reduced weight.
This was just an excuse to pull out the Chauchat, wasn't it Ian?
You honestly think he needs an excuse to pull out his Chauchat?
It's not called a "show-show" for nothing.
@@daetslovactmandcarry6999 I’m pretty sure he owns one but most of the guns featured on this channel are borrowed. Gotta remember he’s written books on French rifles it’s kinda his niche
@@daetslovactmandcarry6999 he owns a whole bunch of french things including a famas, but yeah, like he said, everything else he shows is almost always borrowed
I love these short videos explaining design concepts.
Same, i remember 1st learning this on that pistol on its own video he made way back, then forget after the lynx video then wanted to remember how it worked after seeing the lynx vid a year later once more :)
You know its a good video when literally within the 1st second, the explanation has already begun. No bullshit, no rambling, just the deliverance of information.
I think the lynx 50 bmg bullpup is one of the few modern firearms that still uses this long recoil system, which is pretty neat imo.
This is one reason why I like this channel, am not a gun nut, have very limited interest or experience, but like hearing about the engineering or the stories behind them.
When I was young and learning how guns worked I took apart my dad's Browning auto 5. Not knowing how it worked and how it was different from other semi-autos I was familiar with I got my thumb bit by the bolt when it released forward. Those guns have really strong recoil springs and that ejector is pretty darn sharp let me tell you.
I have an old 70's Browning auto-5 and boy is it the most satisfying "clink-kachunk" on the planet when shooting clays. Big fan of it.
Also, the shotgun seems to be all to excited about being fed ammo. If the bolt is locked open and you load a shell into the magazine tube, it'll immediately rip it out and slam it into the chamber. I've never had a firearm this eager for skeet before...
Quite simply excellent explanation.
I think these videos explaining the basic concepts are a great idea. I know a number of people who are history buffs but not shooters. I think these videos will make it much easier for them to understand what you are talking about in your other videos.
Exactly my situation. History fascinates me, machines fascinate me, things that go boom fascinate me, and so this era of firearms is just really cool because you get to see how everyone was working these things out, except I personally have very little experience with firearms or opportunities to gain any more, so these videos are very helpful since understanding the most basic principles is making everything else make so much more sense
Long Recoil: More fun to watch than it is to shoot
Nothing better than wake up in the morning, and watch Forgotten Weapons
I hear ya its what I look forward to every morning.
Cool! I have read explanations of long recoil systems many times, but this short video clarified it way more than anything else ever did.
Again a very concise and informative presentation. Well done, Sir.
In gunsmithing school right now, and after reading about this system, having no prior knowledge of it, I couldn't for the life of me picture how this worked. THANK YOU!
1:43 "On most guns the empty cartridge case is ejected when the BOLT is recoiling backwards"
If you have the captions on he has it corrected there.
Remington Model 8 represent
And of course the 81.
Guns in this video (listing only when they first appear):
0:00 [top] Winchester Model 1911 Self Loading [bottom] Frommer Stop.
1:26 Remington Model 8.
1:43 Chauchat.
Videos on these guns:
Winchester Model 11:
ruclips.net/video/6aX4W4HVo_U/видео.html
Frommer Stop
ruclips.net/video/39tX_7-mkMA/видео.html
Remington Model 8
www.forgottenweapons.com/slow-motion-remington-model-8/
A bit more history:
ruclips.net/video/QpYIX5bPtcA/видео.html
Chauchat
ruclips.net/video/bCwP3Dm52Ls/видео.html&vl=en
I try to prioritize videos by Ian on the technical and historical aspects of these guns.
Long recoil is my porn name...
Because people jolt backward in horror.
WTF lol lol lol
Goober Shamrock. Here.
Still better than "Pump Action"...
Better than "Nine Corto" or James "Short stroke" Healy.
Well , that's better than " Hammerless " .
Love the kerchunk when I shoot my Remington Model 11
I love it on the FN Browning Auto 5.
Do you have to change the friction rings for different loads?
So nice to see this notification while I am bored in my english class
"English" is capitalized. Pay attention in school, Simone. 😁
@@KarlBunker I've got 9/10 without studying. Just by looking at Ian's videos
@@KarlBunker I have to thank him for this, seriously
Careful! Don't get accused of being a school shooter in training! One of my friends was talking about how he goes skeet shooting with another friend and a teacher heard and accused him of prepping a school shooting
@@letsgoiowa here in Italy we basically never had mass shooting, but we have the same "people who accuse gun owners for everything" issue. The only times we had terrorist acts were in the "lead years" in the 60's when communist and fascists were killing each other
Those clips inbetween your explenation help alot to answer imminent questions. Good Job!
Ian , what about doing a series in the diver and submarine weapons,? example: mark 1 US MARINES underwater revolver , girojet flechete harpoon , the russian divers AKs ,the german HK M11 pistol ,etc. lots of forgotten stuff there!!!
Not so much forgotten as barely known. I am pretty sure the HK stuff and the russian APS/PPS are still in use by the respective combat divers. There was something about a new russian AR for underwater and regular use, but I'm not sure if they actually got them in numbers or did the usual purchase of 10 or so Units so that the manufacturer can Claim official use by the army for sales purposes.
Great job describing, and illustrating, the long recoil action. It was very interesting. More videos like this please.
Fascinating! Love the channel.
I love your shows and I think these small mechanics videos will be a lot of help to people. I have used them already to show people how the mechanism works.
Woo! One of my most cherished firearms is my grandfather's old goose gun - a FN manufactured Auto-5 3" Magnum. I actually feel less recoil "shock" on firing from it since if the springs and friction rings are set up properly it's not slamming into the back of the receiver, it's more of a shove than a punch as the system transfers the recoil over it's full travel.
One day, Ian will write a marvelous book about gun mechanic that will be the definitive reference on the subject.
Ian, thanks to your videos I'm finally able to make sense of these different operating systems. Thank you very much for the insight
These short sections are great. Thanks Ian!
Just have to say I’m enjoying this new series a lot.
A Winchester Model 1911!!
Winchester's attempt at engineering around the patents of John Moses Browning and his A5 / Remington 11.
Being very forgotten, it deserves a show of its own: almost no screws in assembly like a Mauser C-96, fascinating cocking method, fragile fore-end and all.
My brother had one for a while, (had to make a new and "beefier" fore-end). He traded that 1911 to a serious Winchester collector and then moved up to an A5; an early engraved, cased, trap / skeet combo with the fore-and-aft safety in the front of the trigger-guard. Long gone now.
I do hope he does a video on it. It's an interesting design and I enjoy mine, even if it's annoying having to cycle it while trying to figure out how to grab a hot barrel.
Another brilliantly simple explanation 👍
This type of video is fantastic. Love it
very cool concept, i henjoyed the frommer stop bit
These short explanation videos are fantastic. I mean, I've already learned a hell of a lot about all kinds of firearms since joining the channel and visiting the site, but I'm still lacking knowledge about many concepts that people who actually own and shoot weapons would probably consider to be very basic stuff. Please sir, may we have some more? Thanks Ian, great work!
I really like these videos explaining certain aspects of firearms, hopefully we'll see more of these over time
And gun jesus did tell of the early works of the disciples, that they were good and praiseworthy but finnicky...but the disciples did learn in time and it was good... Amen
WTF lol lol lol
I'm loving this informative, punchy and intelligent commentary on firearm operation systems, keep it up
🤔👍
The long awaited long recoil operating system video.
Worth it for the high speed. My father has a 16ga savage that is a humpback clone. It is actually quite nice to shoot.
Ian, the bullet going forward does not make the barrel go back. On the contrary, the friction will pull the barrel forward - that's how forward stroke systems work.
The pressure on the back of the case makes it go back - and the breach face with it - and the barrel, if it's locked into the slide.
Thanks for this interesting series of videos.
We had a Savage 720 light weight 12 GA that was brutal to fire. It eventually broke at the back of the receiver. I don't miss that gun!
Great! I like videos like this one very much. It is the mechanics of firearms that fascinate me, not the destructive capabilities of the bullets.
When my father taught gunsmithing he kept a Former Stop pistol for a very long time to explain long recoil function as you have here.
Thank you for these videos.
Thanks for the knowledge Sir
Thanks Ian! I was always curious about this system and you explained it perfectly.
Very interesting demonstration!
Now that silencers are more popular than ever, perhaps long recoil will make a comeback. The long travel rearward with the barrel and bolt locked together, cartridge fixed in place, means much lower pressures when it finally unlocks, as much more of the gas will be forced forward through the silencer at the muzzle. This would make for quieter operation, especially with subsonics, making it more like a manual action. In some cartridges, like .22LR, manual actions are generally noticeably quieter than self-loading actions, but long recoil could prove to be an exception.
Modern technology would enable these guns to be more accurate than the long recoil guns of the past. Using modern recoil reduction methods would also reduce felt recoil. Muzzle devices can help, like the silencer I mentioned, but a recoil buffer spring (probably in the stock) would decelerate the barrel and bolt as they travel rearward for less jolting recoil. Those are simple solutions. Upping the budget, a Russian-style BARS (Balanced Automatic Recoil System) could greatly reduced felt recoil.
Of course, for a very light recoiling round like .22LR no recoil reduction method may be necessary. Even without one, an integrally silenced long recoil .22LR could potentially be amazing, being a semi-auto (or automatic) offering a level of noise comparable to a manual action. If I was developing an integrally suppressed .22LR I'd definitely try it. Delaying the unlocking as long as possible in a semi-auto would reduce sound volume and gas blowback into the face of the shooter.
In a semi-auto, perhaps other methods might work even better. I imagine a trigger that fires on pull, and unlocks the bolt to chamber a new round on release. It could work with any action. More recoil than some other actions, for sure, but it would be as quiet as a manual action since the human finger can be made to move more slowly than any firearm's mechanical automatic self-loading operation. Shooting it would be just like normal, press and release. It might feel a little jumpy or jerky since it moves twice, but that would make it as quiet as a manual action (arguably it would be a manual action, operated by the trigger release) yet firing as fast as a semi-auto.
Thank you , Ian .
Hey thanks for doing this video I have always wondered how this works
Another well done video.
Hear me out. Buffer spring that would soften the recoil completely, so that there is no abrupt stop.
Amazing video man thank you!
I'm good at explaining but it's nice to have a video backup seeing as most people learn by seeing
The Gast principle uses two long recoil guns, side by side, with the barrels of each linked together and firing alternately. Other than the original WW1 Gast gun only a couple of Soviet autocannons have used this principle though.
Educational and cool. Thanks man.
Cool. I learned something new. Thanks.
Man I love these old firearms! Being a Brit however most people think you’re a lunatic when you try bringing up the subject of guns 😂
There’s something about that ol’ Remmy Model 8. It’s just so damn cool. Also very interesting to see that AK-style safety all the way back then.
These are great tutorials, to understand the small important things that make guns work. Looking forward to see more!
Love this videos. Please do inertial operation!
All praise Ian “Gun Jesus” McCollum
in the name of the hammer
the trigger
and the bolt carrier
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Such a good video that there is no dislike short and simple👍🏻👍🏻
very informative,
Thank you gun jesus
Good lord. I’ve never seen a rifle with that set up
Bet you learn more English from Gun Jesus than your class
acepilot1 what class, my knitting class? How did u know?
@@randomfamilyman4876 Look up the gm6-lynx its a huge rifle with exactly that setup
Thanks for explanation !!!
I take it guns using this system have very slow rate of fire?
Well, the Chauchat is really the only example of full auto long recoil.
The Ultimax is "Constant Recoil"... supposedly it's designed so that the bolt doesn't smack into the rear of the receiver, so the recoil is softer. Other that that it's a short-stroke gas piston gun.
@@bdkj3e No, the Ultimax mg is gas operated
The action holding the bolt back until the barrel is forward again is indeed similar to the function of many rate reducers
Ian, please forgive my transgression here, but is "Chauchat" the French term for "Hot Pu$$y"? (Using my High School French education, here.) LOL @@ForgottenWeapons
Very good, but technically speaking the recoil doesn't directly push the barrel back. It pushes the bolt back, and the bolt pulls the barrel with it since they're locked together at that point. If anything, the force of firing tends to act forward upon the barrel (see blow-forward systems)
Very interesting, thank you.
Hope all these short videos about "How do the guns work" can be found in some kind of YT playlist. :)
Great video
The Long Recoil Browning A5 and it's clone the Franchi 48 can even be run reliably with Black Powder loads if the friction rings are removed. I wonder if this is an inherent capability of long recoil systems in general.
My family has a Rem. Mod 8 in .32 Rem. It has one of the most disturbing recoil impulses of any rifle I have ever shot.
A Winchester 1911 shotgun?
Neat.
A bit dangerous but neat to see.
Nicely done! Thank You :)
My first gun was a Remington Sportsman 48 in 16 gauge, long recoil is definitely no slouch
Awesome video, could you do a quick video on telescoping bolts? I havent found much on them except for a few obscure references.
I am curious about the viability of a long recoil action rifle in a modern military environment. As in a long recoil action LMG designed to fire very hot loads of ammunition (full case of .30-06 type pressure) ? Secondly, because one of the faults of the long recoil system is the recoil impluse it self, would the counter balance system used on the ak-100s solve the problem? I'm 13 and really interested in firearm engineering, so this really stood out in my head.
Keep up the amazing work and i hope you grow your collection of extremely cool and rare firearms
Sub machine guns get their name from sub sonic cartridges. the blow back system they use does not work with high velocity ammunition. The rate of fire is governed by the distance the bolt has to travel to eject and chamber a cartridge. Fixed firing pins are mainly used and the primer caps are hardened to take the impact that can occur when the new cartridge is fed from the magazine. I know people will argue the point ,but this is fact.
The term submachine gun was coined by Thompson, to describe a small handheld machine gun. It is not related to ammunition being subsonic or supersonic. The rate of fire is generally controlled by a combination of bolt weight and spring force. And submachine guns do not require special primers in their ammunition.
YOU ARE WRONG SORRY. 9mm machine gun ammo has hardened primers especially sten gun ammo. Make a submachine gun using super sonic ammo if your game and let me see you fire it.
I find these really helpful. Just a thought why not do a series on cleaning, maintaining and displaying C&R vintage firearms? As a relatively new collector I don't seem to be able to find much reliable advise out there? Thanks for the show.
Seems logical to combine long recoil with a air compression buffering system to spread the recoil out. Of course it would provide less cushioning as the air pressure decreased at higher altitudes. One could make it adjustable to account for altitude.
can't wait for the short documentary mini-series on roller-delayed blowback
great video
Thank you sir
Have you considered adding some links to videos that show guns using the mechanism you describe in the video?
Does that weak ejection lead to more malfunctions?
Although Ian didn’t mention it , I was/am under the impression that long recoil systems are at their best with automatic anti-aircraft artillary, in the 25-57mm range. The guns are ground based so the recoil, which is its biggest drawback, isn’t felt by the gunners
Excellent Video, Ian! Can you do a similar video of the Blow-Forward action? I know you did the two 1908 pistols (Japan & Schwarzlose), but I think they could both be pretty nicely combined overall to better illustrate such an unusual design...
Seems like it would be really good for suppressed guns since it takes so long to cycle compared to other self loading systems, and doesn't rely on gasses to make the gun run reliably.
I always thought the Long Recoil System should provide plenty of energy to work the action and do so without using any kind of gas port, piston etc = "The Whole Barrel Is The Gas Piston".
It also seemed to me that A) You couldn't mount a bayonet, if you wanted to and B) If you tried to mount a scope on the barrel it would be destroyed by G-forces - and C) if you mounted it to the frame then slop between frame & barrel is going to destroy accuracy.
I am basikng my paintball marker design on this system. Still need to figure out the right sizes for pressures, but it most likely will work.
Could you improve the recoil by extending the distance the barrel and bolt travel backwards beyond what they strictly need to, so that they slow down more gradually?
Why Jay
If you want to get smacked in the face with a piece of metal maybe. And no, because that doesn’t dampen felt recoil. Recoil is caused by the mass of moving parts and hot lead being accelerated extraordinarily fast.
A buffer system of some type would help but you'd be putting more things in an already more complicated design lol.
@@Grabbagar670 What Why Jay is talking about is called constant-recoil, and it does indeed reduce felt recoil substantially. Look it up.
That would be trading a sudden kick for a long push. Don't know if you'll find it an improvement, since you'll also have a slower rate of fire.
You could use a Muzzle Brake to slow down the action. I would have all the affects of what you're proposing without making the gun much heavier or longer.
@@ThZuao No one that shoots these type of firearms regularly complains about the slightly slower rate of fire of a constant-recoil gun. The Swedish K SMG has a rate of fire of 500 rounds a minute, versus the 600 rpm of the Uzi. Guess which one Ian prefers to shoot. Muzzle brakes come with the penalty of increased side blast, which can make them really unpleasant for anyone else around the shooter; and adding a muzzle brake is a nearly equivalent increase on the total length of the gun compared to constant-recoil.
amazing!
Please keep making these. Honestly, I didn't know what "long recoil" meant until now. 😐😐😐
I would love to just sit down with Ian and just talk about guns... uh one day!!
Love it.