I can picture a box magazine with eyeballs popping up your computer screen. Maybe this needs to be a thing for a first person shooter. Where Clippy guides you through the tutorial. Like a clip guides ammo into a magazine.
This clippy is looking for a job. See the vid " Clippy " on the channel " Guy Collins Animation " and just for completeness, tons of references in this one " Voyager "
Mosin Nagants do not have clips, they have ammo storage and organization devices which can sometimes, occasionally be used to load the rifle if the stars align correctly.
They also aren't firearms but rather combustion rituals which may or may not succeed in propelling a projectile in the general direction of your enemy.
-I loaded my clips with the rims oriented as they would be the in magazine, making my clips directional. -Then I would pull up on the top round as I pushed down with my thumb. -Then by the time the sacrificial goat was done burning, the rounds usually went where they were supposed to. -Usually.
The swiss clip was firs designed for black powder rounds that had grease on the cartridge neck. To protect that grease they developed this kind of clip. And for logistic they just sticked to it as they had already the pouches to store them and the cost of changing everything was not worth it. They had their rifles have a cut to accept a mauser form/style clip of their design.
When I was in boot camp we had a "combat" rifle range exercise where we humped out about ten miles into the hills of Pendelton to shoot at targets from behind barricades and pretend door and window frames. Fun, except for that it was about 40°F and drizzly. I was picked to be in the party that filled magazines. I don't know how many stripper clips I went through but the temperature also kept me from knowing how cut to ribbons my clumsy, numb fingers got from the process. A hint on how cold and miserable it was is that they sent containers of hot soup out to us and cattle cars to bring us back to the main base. Once I warmed up a bit, oooooh, the fingers!
@@RealCadde Luxury! We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, work twenty hour a day at the mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!
@@Mishn0 I used to have to wake up half an hour before I went to bed, and then spend twenty-nine hours a day at the mill - I had to pay the mill-owner for the privilege - and when I got home my mum and dad will kill me and dance on my grave singing "hallelujah". You tell the kids nowadays and they don't believe you.
Possibly. But would imagine that a moon clip would be too light. Hira (star) Shuriken need sharp points not sharp edges. You want an edge but it should be dull enough so you don't cut yourself when pulling it out of a pocket.
@@jennoscura2381 to solve the lightness problem how about making it for a large revolver, like the mk32a1 semiautomatic 40mm granade launcher? (At that point it is a frisbee)
I love triggering people by saying "We need another clip for the ak." and then having them correct me only to watch in confused horror as I stuff my 5.45 magazines with tacticool clipazines like a madman.
Thanks, Ian, for this much-needed lesson in distinguishing between clips and magazines. Please take the concept a step further in a future video, and explain/demonstrate the difference between bullets and cartridges.
@@BogeyTheBear lol but as someone who does know what makes up a round Bullet/case/primer/propellent (not in that order) I reserve the right after i slip up and call it a bullet to accuse anyone of being semantic before correcting myself
I'm guessing he limited the loading demonstrations due to regulations and/or safety. He seems to have filmed it in his house and only loaded bolt action "safe" rifles, hard to have an accidental discharge with those, not so sure about the Mauser C-96. Don't know either if he had a C96 clip on hand too.
A friend of mine had a red-9 broomhandle Mauser. At the time, original factory stripper clips were unavailable and 5.56 strippers were still very uncommon (late 60's) but worked fine if you could find them.
@@Joshua_N-A A stripper clip only cares about the rim size. And they are pretty close (since the diameter of a 5.56mm cartridge is 9mm), whether they work would depend on tolerances but seems reasonably likely a 9mm NATO cartridge would fit in a 5.56mm NATO stripper clip.
"I already know the differences between clips and magazines." *Watches video anyway and still learns something while finding it interesting* Thanks, Ian!
He meant internal magazines! Guns like the mosin have an internal spring that is considered the magazine. You insert the clip into the gun, and push the rounds inside the internal magazine.
When I was in the police academy in the early 90's, at firearms training on the sig p226, if you called the magazine a clip, it cost you a box of donuts for the instructors. I only said it once.
Oh those clips, I remember being resupplied by air in Vietnam, in the middle of a prolonged firefight, only to have to hunker down to load magazines, scrambling to find intact clean mags to load under fire.
The "Swedish-K" had a 6x6 (36 rounds) stripper clip (like 6 single Mauser stripper clips fused together forming a square base) used together with a (really simple) speed-loader to fill a magazine with 36 rounds in seconds without ever failing or causing problems. Used it as a conscript. The ammunition came in a wax-sealed cardboard box and and each box filled a magazine. I remember that system as being really nice and well thought out.
Yes, it really worked like a charm. I still have everything but the kpist itself, the speedloader really helps when you get 39B and have to strip them from the clip in order to single-load another magazine.
Good point. Circular magazines like that on a lewis gun don't need springs either, do they? (I know the lewis mags had springs to add "floors" but if it where a single stack it wouldn't need them I think)
One of the best gun accessories I own is a Strip Lula for STANAG mags. Every time I go to a gun show now I look for 5.56 stripper clips and load them when I'm bored. Makes loading mags a breeze and it's so fast. Super handy on the range.
The M-14 and M-16 magazines had an adaptor to load the stripper clips. It fitted to the rear of the magazine. To speed up the process and “save” our fingers we would put the stripper clips into the attached adaptor and press the stripper clip against an ammo box or other hard object to drive the rounds into the magazines.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah, I knew most of the stripper clips, I've used an SKS clip before myself so that was was obvious to me. I hadn't seen the Mosin clip before but it was a reasonably educated guess that that was what it was given that the two next to it were the Lee Enfield and the Gewehr 98. I didn't do as well on the EnBlock clips though, although I patted myself on the back for knowing the Mannlicher M95 one!
For the Swedish K-pist m/45 there were clips with 36 rounds, 6 rows of 6, that with a special magazine loader tool made it quick and easy to load the 36 cartridge magazines.
A follow up to the presentation Ian did 8 years ago on the same subject. Jesus, I can't belive I've been following this channel for almost 10 years now.
I once owned a Springfield Armory M1A . I had a few magazines and the green canvas bandolier with stripper clips in cardboards . When I was in the navy the M14 was our fleet service rifle . I didn't know about the green bandoliers until I EAOSed and bought the M1A .
I really like the "How does it work" videos. I don't know much about guns. I am mainly here because Ian has an excellent way of presenting hisgory through a, for me, novell perspective.
3:51 SKS stripper clips are most excellent for carrying an extra ten .38/.357 rounds. You can use them like a old school Bianchi Speed Strip for reloading revolvers.
I would guess that the confusion between the nomenclature of clip versus magazine, probably occurred sometime around the changeover from the m1 to the M14. When soldiers were issued magazines, they probably still continued to call them clips since that's what they were used to. I have nothing to back this up, but it just seems like it makes sense.
highly likely, you can describe the basic booot with many adjectives, smart is not one of them. We were dumb as shit, and I think they are still to this day. The magic of the infantryman.
I hear that the term “lock and load” became a standard phrase for loading a weapon because that was from the manual of arms for the M1. There must have been millions of city boys around WW2 whose only experience with firearms was with the M1 when they were serving.
Probably heard you say it dozens of times now, but every time I hear "Garand" instead of "Garand" I'm reminded why I started watching your vids in the first place. Cheers from Michigan, Ian!
As someone that gets scolded by my more knowledgeable friend on firearms terms, this was a godsend. Thank you! I love your channel and thoroughly enjoy when you discuss the engineering of weapons and what worked and what didnt.
"I'm Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons, and hopefully that has answered some of your questions about clips." I'm sure most of his viewers didn't have any question about clips when they clicked on this video, they just wanted to listen to Ian ramble about geeky subjects
My dad was a WW2 Marine, if I called a magazine a clip I'd either get a lecture or he'd just pretend he hadn't heard me until I used the right wording. Now I do it to people :)
I don't even feel bad about this anymore. I'm a small arms repairer in the Army and I get frustrated when people thing that magazines and clips are interchangeable.
Kpist 45b speed loader. 36 rounds in a few seconds. 6 stripper clips with 6 rounds each put together as one unit and a special plunger that fits over the top of the magazine. You put the clip in the side of the speed loader, tilt it all a little then press the plunger 6 times and you're fully loaded.
I think you mean Kpist m/45 .. and the ammo is called 39B (steel jacketed 9x19) I was just wondering why Ian didn't show the 36 round stripper Chips, and the speed loader , then it occured to me he might not have access to swedish military ammunition.. maybe I should send him a 36-round clip? ;)
@@AndersLiebenholtz 45B,( thank's for the correction) some of the 45's had the Finnish mag and didn't use that loader, they had another one where you had to load it, round by round, with a special plunger. And the 39b had tombak plating over the steel jacket.
Anyone else enjoying the novelty of actual ammunition on FW? I love the content, and I get why live rounds aren't usually incorporated, but damn it's cool to see!
What would the delineation be between a clip and a feed strip like in the Hotchkiss M1909 Benét-Mercié? That a feed strip has to hold each cartridge individually?
My memory is far from perfect, but I'm certain I remember major characters in Walker, Texas Ranger referring to "50mm" when they meant the .50cal machine guns on a P51 Mustang.
Nice as always Ian, the best clips in the world, the E-clip , the one used in the Garand it fits perfect over the rear sight on a H&K G3, and there are no funny shadows in the rear sight drum, shooting at day with various light conditions . ( maybe for you to try out ) 🤠👍💥💥💥💥💥
One thing you forgot to note It's nearly impossible to load most enblock guns without the clip if it is missing Where as on mauser style clips you can still feed the rounds 1 at a time if clips are not available but ammunition is That's why most countries used mauser style
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR Some of them, it doesn't really work with a M95 so without a clip you're essentially upriver in a small stream and lacking a boat propulsion device.
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR A lot of rifles don't have an extractor that can do that safely. A lot of extractors are designed to have the tail of the cartridge come up from below, when the bolt frees the next cartridge to rise up into the feed lips, and will quickly break if repeatedly forced over the back of the cartridge already in the chamber.
Not only are they 100 rounds, they're fully semi automatic assault clips. Please force every "news" agency to watch this video as a primer on how to not sound like a complete twat.
I know that semantics are a bottom less discussion in this case; but I always felt the simplest explanation of the two is: A magazine is the part of the weapon that contains additional rounds for feeding; a clip is a device for loading multiple rounds into a magazine at once. This encompasses all common types of magazine, including detachable magazines, fixed internal magazines, tube magazines, and so on. Also reflects the broader definition of magazine, as used in ships, forts, etc. I suppose it's just an elaborate way of saying, clips load the magazine; magazine feeds the gun.
This has been a Public Service Announcement. Seriously, the terminology is so muddled and incorrect sometimes. Thanks Ian for showing some beautiful examples!
The term 'magazine' was used as the function name for the facility to store ammunition, in the days prior to cartridges, the magazine was where powder was stored. When firearms for cartridges were introduced, the part holding the ammunition - not in the chamber - was also called the magazine. What is not mentioned about the Mannlicher clip or 'en bloc loading device' is the device becomes part of the magazine when in use. It has the feed or control lips (to direct the loaded cartridge into the chamber, and also holds the rounds in place (as the walls of a conventional magazine does).
This is such a great video! So much information in such an efficient use of time! Loved seeing all the different examples as well! Very cool. Thank you Sir!
Semantically, it's not a "Clip," but you can say "I need a Clip!" You can also say "I Need a Magazine!" or "I'm out!" but in some ways it's like saying Whiskey Tango Foxtrot over the radio. You can "Well actually" in the comments, but if you're in a firefight, and your buddy needs a "Clip," you throw him a Magazine, and then debate semantics after the firefight. If you want to be an asshole on the Range, you throw him an Empty one, and joke that he didn't say he needed Ammo. Likewise, rappers said "Clip" in lyrics. They could say Magazine, but then they would have to rework the whole rhyme. Let's call the whole thing off...
You can carry a shit ton (Standard Imperial shit-ton, not Metric Shittonne) more ammo in clips than you can magazines. You can carry more in box magazines than you can in Drum Magazines. So, loading up, or ordering off of "Cheaper than Dirt," you kinda have to weigh how much you're expecting to need in a firefight, to get to Cover, where you can safely reload. I just watched a Hickock45 video on "How accurate is full auto?" Where he put a 60 round drum into a 55 gallon drum at "Whites of the eyes" range. That's great, but that drum lasted 4 seconds. How much ammo did you bring? Well, actually, he fired 160 rounds in about 10 minutes. That's about 1 belt of machinegun ammunition+a Brady Ban magazine. I'd rather carry 1 belt than 2 drums, and a banana clip.
Why would anyone downvote this? The title says it's about how clips work...then proceeds to show exactly that. Nothing is misleading. What did the people who downvoted this expect to get?
With the rimmed 303 clips we were trained to keep the first, third and fifth round low to prevent a rim lock. The clip for 9mm looks interesting. I always hated the tedious process of loading the double stacked box of the Gustav SMG.
Some gun people get VERY upset when they hear people call a magazine a clip. I'm a lot more chill about it. I'm sure there are lots of comments below with angry or sarcastic or funny comments about this. :)
I took my friend to the shooting range to shoot my Sig P229 and my Sig MCX a few years ago. She said “why do You need a 30 round clip”? I said as far as I’m aware there is no such thing as a 30 round clip that exists today.
There's a 36 round clip for kpist m45. If I remember correctly a guy who's name might be haggebänke has a video on how to load a magazine with a speedloader.
@@Kvistor, I always thought a clip and a speed loader were two different things. Clips allow you to load a gun with an internal magazine or allow you to load a gun without removing the magazine. While speed loaders you have to remove the magazine from the gun to load the magazine.
I love it when Clippy would pop up and ask, "It looks like you're trying to load a firearm. Would you like help?"
I can picture a box magazine with eyeballs popping up your computer screen. Maybe this needs to be a thing for a first person shooter. Where Clippy guides you through the tutorial. Like a clip guides ammo into a magazine.
This is the best comment I've seen in a while lol, thank you
This clippy is looking for a job. See the vid " Clippy " on the channel " Guy Collins Animation " and just for completeness, tons of references in this one " Voyager "
Cool it helps a lot to clear up the confusion!
Lol
“A stripper clip loads my magazine. A stripper magazine upsets my wife.”
Not if your wife is on the cover.
Do not search for "man licker clip"
Lmaoooo
@@FilmFlam-8008 that's a different problem altogether, but still potentially a problem...
That's because it's her that's on the cover.
Mosin Nagants do not have clips, they have ammo storage and organization devices which can sometimes, occasionally be used to load the rifle if the stars align correctly.
a ukrainian fella said to me: "you push, if it won't load, just push harder"
They also aren't firearms but rather combustion rituals which may or may not succeed in propelling a projectile in the general direction of your enemy.
-I loaded my clips with the rims oriented as they would be the in magazine, making my clips directional.
-Then I would pull up on the top round as I pushed down with my thumb.
-Then by the time the sacrificial goat was done burning, the rounds usually went where they were supposed to.
-Usually.
Perhaps comrade you did not fill out the required Ammo Loading Request Form or its mandatory Appendices R and Y.
@@mrgameboy6261
There's brute force and brutal brute force.
i remember as a kid watching mail call with my grandad, R. Lee Ermy said "A clip can go into a magazine, a magazine cannot go into a clip!"
That's what I tell people to help them figure it out.
They still haven't figured it out.
@@lordhellfire153 send them this video.
I tell people what you think is a clip or like the media says “banana clips” are in fact magazines
Who cares? This is one of the dumbest hills to die on in the 2A question.
@@Fausto_4841 using clip and magazine interchangeably is like saying scissors and a sword are the same cos they are both pointy
Hmmmmm... curious how he has the M1 clip with the top round on the left side to avoid that 7th round jamming.
Shouldn't have ground off that ramp on the right of the receiver...
He recently did a video just on that I believe
@@joejoelesh1197 hence the comment. I would not have known about it otherwise.
Most detachable box magazines would benefit from stripper clip guides.
Wasn't the whole point of that video to say that defect had been fixed rather early in its production?
What type of chocolate did the Swiss use for theirs? It looks delicious.
It couldn't have been any high-quality cholocate because it tastes like cardboard.
@@williamsohlstrom1530 Ate a Swiss clip before, can confirm
The swiss clip was firs designed for black powder rounds that had grease on the cartridge neck. To protect that grease they developed this kind of clip. And for logistic they just sticked to it as they had already the pouches to store them and the cost of changing everything was not worth it. They had their rifles have a cut to accept a mauser form/style clip of their design.
@@williamsohlstrom1530 Hershey then - foul muck.
@@PapaSchultz74 you missed the joke
When I was in boot camp we had a "combat" rifle range exercise where we humped out about ten miles into the hills of Pendelton to shoot at targets from behind barricades and pretend door and window frames. Fun, except for that it was about 40°F and drizzly. I was picked to be in the party that filled magazines. I don't know how many stripper clips I went through but the temperature also kept me from knowing how cut to ribbons my clumsy, numb fingers got from the process. A hint on how cold and miserable it was is that they sent containers of hot soup out to us and cattle cars to bring us back to the main base. Once I warmed up a bit, oooooh, the fingers!
*OOF*
Ah, Camp Pendleton! Generations of jarheads have happy memories of that place.
You were lucky, try doing it in 5 degrees F. 🥶
@@RealCadde Luxury! We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, work twenty hour a day at the
mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!
@@Mishn0 I used to have to wake up half an hour before I went to bed, and then spend twenty-nine hours a day at the mill - I had to pay the mill-owner for the privilege - and when I got home my mum and dad will kill me and dance on my grave singing "hallelujah". You tell the kids nowadays and they don't believe you.
Now I'm imagining moon clips with sharpened edges so you can use them as throwing stars once you run out of ammo.
Possibly. But would imagine that a moon clip would be too light. Hira (star) Shuriken need sharp points not sharp edges. You want an edge but it should be dull enough so you don't cut yourself when pulling it out of a pocket.
@@jennoscura2381 to solve the lightness problem how about making it for a large revolver, like the mk32a1 semiautomatic 40mm granade launcher? (At that point it is a frisbee)
@@juanordonezgalban2278 You mean a chakram.
I love triggering people by saying "We need another clip for the ak." and then having them correct me only to watch in confused horror as I stuff my 5.45 magazines with tacticool clipazines like a madman.
I'd just laugh and tell you "ya got me on that one - I didn't know the AK had actual clips."
Well yeah, a clip is a speed loader, regardless of what kind of mag, internal, revolver, DB, or whatever.
Try that with VZ58. It can actually be loaded with a clip, while mag is still attached🙂
It's like when I tell people I own a 327 magnum and they try to correct me.
@@Mibit911Love that bit.
Thanks, Ian, for this much-needed lesson in distinguishing between clips and magazines. Please take the concept a step further in a future video, and explain/demonstrate the difference between bullets and cartridges.
And another video answering the question I hear all the time: Are you allowed to call Dardick ammunition "rounds"?
@@jubuttib I think you're meant to call them Trounds. Even though its a sleeved round.
"I bought this bullet mold, but all it makes is the little bit in the front. What kind of mold do I get to form the gold part in back?"
@@BogeyTheBear lol but as someone who does know what makes up a round
Bullet/case/primer/propellent (not in that order) I reserve the right after i slip up and call it a bullet to accuse anyone of being semantic before correcting myself
I was hoping he'd show a Mauser C-96 broomhandle being reloaded with a stripper clip. Those were 10-rounders.
I'm guessing he limited the loading demonstrations due to regulations and/or safety. He seems to have filmed it in his house and only loaded bolt action "safe" rifles, hard to have an accidental discharge with those, not so sure about the Mauser C-96. Don't know either if he had a C96 clip on hand too.
A friend of mine had a red-9 broomhandle Mauser. At the time, original factory stripper clips were unavailable and 5.56 strippers were still very uncommon (late 60's) but worked fine if you could find them.
@@dbmail545 9mm brass is the same size as .223?
@@Joshua_N-A Apparently it does work, almost: www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/broomhandle-stripper-clips.788568/
@@Joshua_N-A A stripper clip only cares about the rim size. And they are pretty close (since the diameter of a 5.56mm cartridge is 9mm), whether they work would depend on tolerances but seems reasonably likely a 9mm NATO cartridge would fit in a 5.56mm NATO stripper clip.
love that this knowledge is being documented in such detail... been a big fan for years and your meticulous documentation never fails to amaze me
"I already know the differences between clips and magazines." *Watches video anyway and still learns something while finding it interesting* Thanks, Ian!
"We're also not talking about magazines today" (2 secs later) "clips are used to load cartridges into a magazine" you lied to me! 😂
He meant internal magazines! Guns like the mosin have an internal spring that is considered the magazine. You insert the clip into the gun, and push the rounds inside the internal magazine.
@@Zegger Nah, he specifically said you can use clips to load independent magazines.
When I was in the police academy in the early 90's, at firearms training on the sig p226, if you called the magazine a clip, it cost you a box of donuts for the instructors. I only said it once.
For a "how does it work" an historical driven guy, this is the best series on the channel
Oh those clips, I remember being resupplied by air in Vietnam, in the middle of a prolonged firefight, only to have to hunker down to load magazines, scrambling to find intact clean mags to load under fire.
Wow. Damn.
The "Swedish-K" had a 6x6 (36 rounds) stripper clip (like 6 single Mauser stripper clips fused together forming a square base) used together with a (really simple) speed-loader to fill a magazine with 36 rounds in seconds without ever failing or causing problems. Used it as a conscript. The ammunition came in a wax-sealed cardboard box and and each box filled a magazine. I remember that system as being really nice and well thought out.
Yes, it really worked like a charm.
I still have everything but the kpist itself, the speedloader really helps when you get 39B and have to strip them from the clip in order to single-load another magazine.
A magazine doesn’t have to have a spring, it just has to have some mechanism to present cartridges. Hence gravity feed magazines
Good point. Circular magazines like that on a lewis gun don't need springs either, do they? (I know the lewis mags had springs to add "floors" but if it where a single stack it wouldn't need them I think)
One of the best gun accessories I own is a Strip Lula for STANAG mags. Every time I go to a gun show now I look for 5.56 stripper clips and load them when I'm bored. Makes loading mags a breeze and it's so fast. Super handy on the range.
They're only called "clips" when they're falling through Earth's atmosphere. Once they hit the ground, they're called "magma".
lmao
Magmazines
doesn’t magma have to be under the earth’s crust?
@@ogloc6308 nah, that's when they're referred to as "stalagmites"
Science.
The M-14 and M-16 magazines had an adaptor to load the stripper clips. It fitted to the rear of the magazine. To speed up the process and “save” our fingers we would put the stripper clips into the attached adaptor and press the stripper clip against an ammo box or other hard object to drive the rounds into the magazines.
Anyone else playing a game of "Guess the rifle from the clip" while watching this?
I properly guessed only one. The Garand.
Lol yes
@@MonkeyJedi99 Same here lol
That 7.62x39 clip to load AK mags was pretty obvious. way shorter, steel casing, and with a nice red ring.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah, I knew most of the stripper clips, I've used an SKS clip before myself so that was was obvious to me. I hadn't seen the Mosin clip before but it was a reasonably educated guess that that was what it was given that the two next to it were the Lee Enfield and the Gewehr 98.
I didn't do as well on the EnBlock clips though, although I patted myself on the back for knowing the Mannlicher M95 one!
For the Swedish K-pist m/45 there were clips with 36 rounds, 6 rows of 6, that with a special magazine loader tool made it quick and easy to load the 36 cartridge magazines.
I was thinking of just that when Ian mentioned there were some clips for pistols as well
A follow up to the presentation Ian did 8 years ago on the same subject. Jesus, I can't belive I've been following this channel for almost 10 years now.
I once owned a Springfield Armory M1A . I had a few magazines and the green canvas bandolier with stripper clips in cardboards . When I was in the navy the M14 was our fleet service rifle . I didn't know about the green bandoliers until I EAOSed and bought the M1A .
Clips are technically speed loaders for mags
This was long overdue. Soooo many attempts to clarify this in the past, and now I just need to link a 1-stop video to explain it all. Thanks Ian!
I really like the "How does it work" videos. I don't know much about guns. I am mainly here because Ian has an excellent way of presenting hisgory through a, for me, novell perspective.
I always marvelled that .30 Carbine ammunition was issued in 10 round clips for 15 round magazines.
Makes sense to me. After a couple of uses you wouldn't want to load the magazines up to full to prevent feeding issues.
Perfect timing, new vid right before bed.
Maybe Ian should sing a lullaby at the end.
Ha! I just got up and watched while waiting for coffee.
About to enjoy lunch here in Europe
3:51 SKS stripper clips are most excellent for carrying an extra ten .38/.357 rounds. You can use them like a old school Bianchi Speed Strip for reloading revolvers.
I would guess that the confusion between the nomenclature of clip versus magazine, probably occurred sometime around the changeover from the m1 to the M14. When soldiers were issued magazines, they probably still continued to call them clips since that's what they were used to. I have nothing to back this up, but it just seems like it makes sense.
Sounds logical
highly likely, you can describe the basic booot with many adjectives, smart is not one of them.
We were dumb as shit, and I think they are still to this day. The magic of the infantryman.
I hear that the term “lock and load” became a standard phrase for loading a weapon because that was from the manual of arms for the M1. There must have been millions of city boys around WW2 whose only experience with firearms was with the M1 when they were serving.
Lots of old firearm advertising from the early days of auto handguns called them clips.
No, you're right, period documentation definitely uses the term clip for a detachable magazine.
Probably heard you say it dozens of times now, but every time I hear "Garand" instead of "Garand" I'm reminded why I started watching your vids in the first place.
Cheers from Michigan, Ian!
Bless you Ian for making this video! SO many people do not understand the difference in the states.
I dont understand this. Im in the uk and i know more about guns than most americans.
My friends calling magazines clips is one of my biggest pet peeve’s. Thank you for helping to dispel that tendency.
Saving for faster use in the future
much faster than loading individually
As someone that gets scolded by my more knowledgeable friend on firearms terms, this was a godsend. Thank you! I love your channel and thoroughly enjoy when you discuss the engineering of weapons and what worked and what didnt.
Beautiful, informative to the point, visually descriptive, excellent video.
Love these short and sharp explanation videos.
Forgot who called them chargers but I always saw that as the best name for clips. Say if you need to charge a rifle or recharge a magazine.
The British call then chargers, which is quite an accurate word.
Man it must be nice loading that. It was so effortless and smooth. Usually you see people struggle. Even when they're super familiar with the firearm.
Next on "How does it work": Magnets!
"Fucking magnets, how do they work?"
I mean, how do they work?
I know what they do but I forgot how or why they do what they do.
It's magic
They just do.
it's a miracle they work at all
Oh, how many years of work has to be done before being trusted to do such short form format. Thank You Ian!
"I'm Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons, and hopefully that has answered some of your questions about clips."
I'm sure most of his viewers didn't have any question about clips when they clicked on this video, they just wanted to listen to Ian ramble about geeky subjects
Ian, lovely video! Please do more of these and similar videos on other "accessories" like sling & scope mount etc.
My dad was a WW2 Marine, if I called a magazine a clip I'd either get a lecture or he'd just pretend he hadn't heard me until I used the right wording. Now I do it to people :)
I don't even feel bad about this anymore. I'm a small arms repairer in the Army and I get frustrated when people thing that magazines and clips are interchangeable.
Excellent explanation. That last pistol clip with the pusher is cool.
Emptying a magazine is called mag-dumping, so loading is called mag-pumping?
That makes sense and sounds cool
Kpist 45b speed loader. 36 rounds in a few seconds. 6 stripper clips with 6 rounds each put together as one unit and a special plunger that fits over the top of the magazine. You put the clip in the side of the speed loader, tilt it all a little then press the plunger 6 times and you're fully loaded.
I think you mean Kpist m/45 .. and the ammo is called 39B (steel jacketed 9x19)
I was just wondering why Ian didn't show the 36 round stripper Chips, and the speed loader , then it occured to me he might not have access to swedish military ammunition.. maybe I should send him a 36-round clip? ;)
@@AndersLiebenholtz 45B,( thank's for the correction) some of the 45's had the Finnish mag and didn't use that loader, they had another one where you had to load it, round by round, with a special plunger. And the 39b had tombak plating over the steel jacket.
That was very interesting, ty Ian.
Anyone else enjoying the novelty of actual ammunition on FW? I love the content, and I get why live rounds aren't usually incorporated, but damn it's cool to see!
When people confuse the two in books it hurts the immersion :')
And movies and games. I loose my shit and yell "its not a clip! Its not even close!"
He takes the safty off, on his Glock.......
Real sentence i red in a book
@@erzherzogalbrecht8504 did you mean off?
@@erzherzogalbrecht8504 Maybe the character was running around with a rare US Army MHS trials Glock? ha!
@@tsmithkc nope a run of the mill Glock 17
Really loved seeing the odd ball clips. Thanks for sharing!
What would the delineation be between a clip and a feed strip like in the Hotchkiss M1909 Benét-Mercié?
That a feed strip has to hold each cartridge individually?
The feed strips are more like a rigid belt than a clip or mag.
Nice presentation. It was very interesting to see the variety of clips that were used Good work Ian.
Stripper-clip fed clipazines for fully-automatic hopper gatling guns.
And from the rock, the 'Gun Jaysus' spoke, and all listened, and took heed of his words, for they where fair and informative.
when skeako doesnt know the difference between clips and mag soo forgotten weapons and penguinz0 try to explain it
Love this, please keep this kind of firearm history alive
Off topic. I had
One of my friends say "this is my 40mm glock" to which I reply " I didn't know glock made bolters!".
Thats bigger than a bolter is im not mistaken
@@Ojthemighty Indeed, the heavy bolter rounds is only like 25 mm, 40 mm shells is what you stick into a... 40 mm Bofors AA gun.
My memory is far from perfect, but I'm certain I remember major characters in Walker, Texas Ranger referring to "50mm" when they meant the .50cal machine guns on a P51 Mustang.
@@dannythehonestgamer6051 your friend must have arms the size of a space marine.
@@aaronleverton4221 also the show where walker pulled a bazooka out of nowhere. Like he just has a bazooka in his pickup truck
Yesterday I got a bunch of Steyr-Hahn clips delivered and today Ian puts out a video talking specifically about clips. Funny how that worked out.
But what about clippazines?
(thank you for the informative video)
Or those shoulder things that go up?
Clippazines are the most dangerous, they hold the dangerous "baby killing rounds" and are often found next to schools, watch out for them
And what about magazips?
@@boratsagdiyev5679 Oh, come on you alarmist. Those are only the "fully semi-automatic bullet clippazines".
@@Ebalosus ...and the even more dangerous grippy things that go down...
Nice as always Ian, the best clips in the world, the E-clip , the one used in the Garand it fits perfect over the rear sight on a H&K G3, and there are no funny shadows in the rear sight drum, shooting at day with various light conditions . ( maybe for you to try out ) 🤠👍💥💥💥💥💥
One thing you forgot to note
It's nearly impossible to load most enblock guns without the clip if it is missing
Where as on mauser style clips you can still feed the rounds 1 at a time if clips are not available but ammunition is
That's why most countries used mauser style
You can still load en-block guns one round at a time by thumbing one into the chamber, but I see your point.
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR Some of them, it doesn't really work with a M95 so without a clip you're essentially upriver in a small stream and lacking a boat propulsion device.
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR I'm not sure of other rifles, but I know for Carcanos you will break the extractor if you do that habitually.
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR A lot of rifles don't have an extractor that can do that safely. A lot of extractors are designed to have the tail of the cartridge come up from below, when the bolt frees the next cartridge to rise up into the feed lips, and will quickly break if repeatedly forced over the back of the cartridge already in the chamber.
Amazing video, it's great to see such a wide variety of designs in so many differn't styles!
Someone should send this to sneako
Ian posts video, I learn something.
Mannlicher tried to sell his arms in the US but, tragically, fell victim to adolescent sniggering whenever his name was mentioned.
Just as well for him, life without his arms would have been difficult.
A French woman usually holds her liquor by the ears...
Good episode, I liked the speed & flow of the info; felt different than most of your traditional content.
But where do I get magical 100 round clips for my AR-47?
Not only are they 100 rounds, they're fully semi automatic assault clips. Please force every "news" agency to watch this video as a primer on how to not sound like a complete twat.
Ooo this is like a simpler version of that full introductory presentation you posted a while back. Always interesting stuff.
And here I was, devout follower, thinking that I was starting to learn something about guns.
The only clip that seemed familiar was the 303.
Thanks Ian.
I'd never realized on the Mauser style that the base is a spring.
i was enjoying this video so much, I was genuinely disappointed with how soon it was over.
"We'll talk more about these later."
*Yeet*
*throws moon clip, unbeknownst to the audience he threw it with lethal intent at an internet troll who keeps claiming the AR isnt reliable*
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 Moon clip that's also a shuriken? Write that down
I know that semantics are a bottom less discussion in this case; but I always felt the simplest explanation of the two is:
A magazine is the part of the weapon that contains additional rounds for feeding; a clip is a device for loading multiple rounds into a magazine at once.
This encompasses all common types of magazine, including detachable magazines, fixed internal magazines, tube magazines, and so on. Also reflects the broader definition of magazine, as used in ships, forts, etc.
I suppose it's just an elaborate way of saying, clips load the magazine; magazine feeds the gun.
This has been a Public Service Announcement.
Seriously, the terminology is so muddled and incorrect sometimes. Thanks Ian for showing some beautiful examples!
6:55, we know Ian pushed the the cartridges, because it looks fun and satisfying.
You can't call it a magazine unless it's made in the Magasin region of France.
The term 'magazine' was used as the function name for the facility to store ammunition, in the days prior to cartridges, the magazine was where powder was stored. When firearms for cartridges were introduced, the part holding the ammunition - not in the chamber - was also called the magazine.
What is not mentioned about the Mannlicher clip or 'en bloc loading device' is the device becomes part of the magazine when in use. It has the feed or control lips (to direct the loaded cartridge into the chamber, and also holds the rounds in place (as the walls of a conventional magazine does).
can you show me how a full auto belt fed magazine clip works
Ian, the hero we need but we don't deserve, solving the always existing problem of "what is a clip"
There's some people who doesn't like clips but also their favourite bolt action rifle is kar98k
This is such a great video! So much information in such an efficient use of time! Loved seeing all the different examples as well! Very cool. Thank you Sir!
Ah, yes. Mosin stripper clips. The quickest and easiest to get a rim jam, even if you held the cartridges angled up when inserting the clip.
I even tried the supposedly good Russian made ones, right out of an ammo tin from the late 40s. They also suck.
"We are not talking about magazines today" *proceeds to reference and talk about magazines for half the video*
You should have collaborated with BOTR for this one … 🤣
Excellent,! I often wondered how magazines work, thank you Ian!
Semantically, it's not a "Clip," but you can say "I need a Clip!" You can also say "I Need a Magazine!" or "I'm out!" but in some ways it's like saying Whiskey Tango Foxtrot over the radio. You can "Well actually" in the comments, but if you're in a firefight, and your buddy needs a "Clip," you throw him a Magazine, and then debate semantics after the firefight. If you want to be an asshole on the Range, you throw him an Empty one, and joke that he didn't say he needed Ammo. Likewise, rappers said "Clip" in lyrics. They could say Magazine, but then they would have to rework the whole rhyme. Let's call the whole thing off...
Thank you for magsplaining that.
You can carry a shit ton (Standard Imperial shit-ton, not Metric Shittonne) more ammo in clips than you can magazines. You can carry more in box magazines than you can in Drum Magazines. So, loading up, or ordering off of "Cheaper than Dirt," you kinda have to weigh how much you're expecting to need in a firefight, to get to Cover, where you can safely reload. I just watched a Hickock45 video on "How accurate is full auto?" Where he put a 60 round drum into a 55 gallon drum at "Whites of the eyes" range. That's great, but that drum lasted 4 seconds. How much ammo did you bring? Well, actually, he fired 160 rounds in about 10 minutes. That's about 1 belt of machinegun ammunition+a Brady Ban magazine. I'd rather carry 1 belt than 2 drums, and a banana clip.
Why would anyone downvote this? The title says it's about how clips work...then proceeds to show exactly that. Nothing is misleading. What did the people who downvoted this expect to get?
Video games and old tv shows/movies are bad about calling magazines clips, and cartridges bullets.
So is Dianne Feinstein....
With the rimmed 303 clips we were trained to keep the first, third and fifth round low to prevent a rim lock. The clip for 9mm looks interesting. I always hated the tedious process of loading the double stacked box of the Gustav SMG.
Sometimes I say clipazine just to piss people off
@Paul Martin sure
love this series. Also people saying clip instead of magazines bother me. Now I have a good source to point them to
Everyone I know always calls magazines clips. I thought that was what they were for so long
Some gun people get VERY upset when they hear people call a magazine a clip. I'm a lot more chill about it. I'm sure there are lots of comments below with angry or sarcastic or funny comments about this. :)
Everyone you know must have been curb stomped as a child.
@@Ginrummy33 well they are two completely different things. Its like calling a pencil a pen. They are not the same.
@@Ginrummy33
Here's a fun one, I can clip out a bad guy, a coupon, or a picture in a magazine.
@@kenbrown2808 exactly.
0:12 Ian showing of his ninja throwing star skills.
I took my friend to the shooting range to shoot my Sig P229 and my Sig MCX a few years ago. She said “why do You need a 30 round clip”? I said as far as I’m aware there is no such thing as a 30 round clip that exists today.
>liberal friend
At least they went I suppose.
There's a 36 round clip for kpist m45. If I remember correctly a guy who's name might be haggebänke has a video on how to load a magazine with a speedloader.
Why is it important that she is your "liberal friend"?
Isn't "friend" enough?
@@labinot1363 Because normal people don’t worry about such meaningless trivia.
@@Kvistor, I always thought a clip and a speed loader were two different things. Clips allow you to load a gun with an internal magazine or allow you to load a gun without removing the magazine. While speed loaders you have to remove the magazine from the gun to load the magazine.
This is a fantastic video that will have many years of important educational , and “see I told you so!” use!