I need to say this. Knee's tier list is at the highest of high level play. His tier list is based on his defense, whiff-punishment, sidesteps, backdashes and knowledge of all characters. I mean if you have defense like wall, your point of view will different from other players because lots of low moves won't work on him, but work on normal players. But some characters are strong at different levels of play because their moves are safer and faster than other characters.
Exactly why I could easily have win streaks on rank with a lower tier character like anna but struggle with a top tier like steve. Rank and high level/proplay feels like completely different games imo.
Noctis on PC where there's less input lag can be scary sharp. Remember his df2 is an easy launching whiff punisher and his f2 can literally punish your keep outs from across the screen.
In high level play df2 is difficult to land due to close range and safe playstyle so it can be useful mostly if the opponent commits a mistake or if the player is able to sidestep and then punish, when you look at ATL tournament it’s obvious that the move that can upgrade Noctis on the tierlist is B2(1+2) or Chidori, that move alone is a game changer because it can intercepts most poke moves at close range and deals a ton of damage making opponents even scary to try any mix-ups. I am not saying Noctis doesn’t have others good moves but that move it’s super busted.
@@hypnotoad1390 You're right, I use chidori a lot too. But, you can do chidori on PS4 with no difference in PC. I am merely stating why Noctis is better on PC than in PS4 thanks to having less input lag.
@@teamagbitang7928 Oh yes, unfortunately I played rarely on PC with my friends when I can, so I am not very familiar with input lag advantage on pc and honestly at my level I have many others things to worry about.
Do we really need an elaboration doe? There's so many tierlists out there that does so already. I'm pretty sure we all get the idea of his reasoning of those character placements. Just wanted to on now which of the cast he leans to in terms of top5/bottom5.
Why u don’t give him a free english lesson so he can elaborate more for you? Oops I forget u guys are riding his meat at all the time even him being not able to speak English fluently
I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Knee but based on his Top 5 Best characters, most of them are characters with great punishes and defense options. Kuni, Noctis, Geese, etc. which suits his play style. The top comment of this vid described it better than me.
i doubt people would hate the 2ds nearly as much if they hadnt been top tier and so prevalent in tournament, geese and akouma being so strong since release has soured me towards them for sure
When he said Noctis he was probably thinking about B2(1+2) or Chidori as they call in Korea. The move can compensate Noctis lows by using a defensive playstyle and trying to intercept the opponent.
I thought my game had dropped down as I was suddenly getting my arse whooped by 15 different Noctis on PC in ranked but now I know, thanks for the clarification Knee sama
For those who don't think devil jin isn't a bad character, I would like to remind you that he mostly relied on pokes and mixups. Basically he was the combination of Hei, Kazuya and Jin. But other than that he had nothing stands out compared to other Mishimas. His pokes aren't strong as Jin or Heihachi and now they nerfed his mixup potential and damage too. What's there left for Devil Jin to be considered good or average? And how many Devil Jin players have you guys seen that did well in tournaments for like 2 years?
he's awful now, they completely butchered his 50/50 mixup, used to be hellsweep or uf4, but now his uf4 doesn't knockdown EVEN ON CH, he truly is awful now
@@thelonesomewanderer8359 uf4 was just busted, he can still mix hellsweep with ws2 and ff2 for launch or knockdown. you were just spoiled by a comepletely brainless mixup, now that it takes some skill, he's dead and can't be played smh
@@koyomi_ya not necessarily what he means, because when Akuma was released, he and Korean community said it breaks the rules of the game and refused to play it. So it's more likely he meant akuma was literally sht.
They could have nerfed only DVJ B2,1 and kept his UF4 intact to at least preserve some of his Offensive game, or Nerfed only his UF4 and leave his High Combo damage. But nerfing both is very unfair and makes DVJ a Very High Execution Character with the Lowest Reward in the game. I think DVJ might have literally the lowest Damage Output in the game at his Current State
The final DLC character nerf patch was too much. Fahkumram and Lidia needed nerfs, but not this much. Now they are unplayable. Not a single pro player kept playing them. Leroy sees some play. He is fine now.
@@UriPhoneCracker i never got why people kept saying she is unplayable. I didnt even think lydia was nerfed that much, imo political storm never should have tracked and i lowkey think it wasnt even intended. She is just mid tier now but nothing like fahk where his whole playstyle and kit got made useless
Knee saying Devil Jin (one of his early mains) in Top 5 worst is because probably everything Devil Jin does is in the textbook. What I mean by this is that Devil Jin players only has a few sets of moves that is optional. Everyone playing Tekken prolly remembers pretty much all his move sets that's why Devil Jin is difficult to play
Well most Asian countries uses the Japan names for SF Character because of the arcades back in the days only offer japan versions. Like me i though Vega is Dictator, M. Bison is Boxer, Balrog is Spanish dude. Then English came in and Confused me
New sub here (but have been lurking in a while), great content as always! One thing I kind of would like to hear especially from a pro player is a tier list difference between online and offline environments. What is YOUR own personal opinion about that? Is there a huge or noticeable difference, especially knowing Tekken 7's netcode?
@@waleedbinshabbir1542 maybe there’s a play style or strategy you and most people aren’t aware of yet. I’m surprised too honestly. Nobi probably busting out some online secret discord tech out there in Japan 😅
@@ducky6160 compared to like half of the cast he has no lows that can launch, the 50/50 feel extremely risky to use. He seems more like a character that excels in whiff punishing and chip damage. both of which require good movement, which I don't have the talent for
Not surprising. The sole intention of the Devil Jin nerfs is to make people stop playing him, since by now it's almost surely won't be in the game, which is sad. A classic character, with a big fan base. I still believe in getting TGO with DJ as a goodbye before Tekken 8. Never give up.
He will be in the next game. Jin literally uses a devil form in the single player mode. Why would it not be playable? I don’t get why people keep saying this without thinking.
@@YourMasta He may be some kind of stance, like Devil Kazuya in Tekken 7. But I think he is not going to be a separate character anymore. It's clear Jin has a merged moveset.
@@atlante4368 jin has moves from various characters in the cast. He has some of Lars moves yet he’s a separate character. There is a huge population of Mishima players. You think Namco is going to force all of them to play kazuya? lol That would be a d*** decision.
Why Lidia? because everything is easily stepable to the left, max range you have to dash cancel and bait so you can get in, mid range you have to go into stance, which is interruptable and 0 range she has a lot of duckable strings and no scary lows also her combo damage is average, throw game is simple and the only answer for all that are her 2 mids (df2 and df4) she owns a lot of moves you should never use in generall a lot of risks and not a great reward especially after the nerfs
Kunimitsu is everywhere on Ps4 and she is soo op and braindead... alot pf People Who are stuck with their main and then pick up Kunimitsu will increase their rank by atleast 5 more... pay to win for sure
It's really Evil the way the so many in the Tekken Community as well as the main man Targeted Devil Jin to turn him into one of the worst characters in the game. And even now so many of them attack you for speaking up about it. A bunch of Sadistic ignorant clowns who have never played the character a day in their lives. They should have their characters key move nerfed into the ground, and then if they complain, accuse them of being carried by the move and tell them to shut up
They could have nerfed only DVJ B2,1 and kept his UF4 intact to at least preserve some of his Offensive game, or Nerfed only his UF4 and leave his High Combo damage. But nerfing both is very unfair and makes DVJ a Very High Execution Character with the Lowest Reward in the game. I think DVJ might have literally the lowest Damage Output in the game at his Current State
@@PsychoHell-uy2px "I think DVJ might have literally the lowest Damage Output in the game at his Current State" Imagine forgetting Eddy exists lmaoooo
Top tier competitive doesn't translate into green, red, blue, purple or even low gold. Incase anyone thinks it does. Unless you in the top 1000 best in the world pretend you didn't hear Noctis or Kuni. That's why you wrecked people in green with devil jin, but you hardly see him passed orange, minus the cheaters that seem to really like to use him. They don't count.
@@leonha4479 IDK,... because his hellsweep is the single best move in the game? Obviously Knee is a million time more knowledgable about Tekken than I ever will, but here he just sounds like a butthurt Devil Jin player that wants his old UF4 back. You have to be flat out stupid to honestly consider DJ bottom 5.
No way is DJ bottom 5 but he is definitely overrated as fuck by tons of people, especially after he was smacked with the nerf bat and lost his power mid and a lot of his combo damage. Don't get me wrong, having an electric is always great, but his busted hellsweep is the only thing that's actually scary about him and the only thing keeping him relevant. People who still talk about him like he's top tier are whack. Personally I think he's mid/mid-high tier. Lots of better characters than DJ in the current state of the game.
id say bottom cause its actually kinda rare to see anyone play him in tournaments nowadays only knee did and qudans. But now knee has completely dropped him people were band wagon on the devil jin op but if that was true why didnt we have a situation like leroy or all the DLC characters dominating it? even if i say this the facts are there are people who will still claim he was op before and even after
Hellsweep does like 56 damage with wall combo, it's not *that* scary, especially when you have full freedom to duck it way more than other Mishimas. Without walls kazuya's hellsweep is *way* better, almost the same damage and unbelievable Oki.
Wow that Devil Jin up forward 4 nerf was so strong, it got knee to place him in bottom 5 😮. Thought I'm sure there are other factors knee took into consideration.
B21 indirectly nerfed his hellsweep and his overall combo damage. There’s no point even going for hellsweep now if you know you can get launched for trying to do a 50 damage launcher when it used to do up to 70. DJ 2 electric combo with b21 used to get about 110 damage but now theres no point even going for 2 electrics cause the damage is negligible. Uf4 was a ridiculously good mid but the no knockdown nerf was insane cause he basically has no real scary mids now. Most players can’t iws2 so ff2 is their only mid now in neutral.
@@holyother1 there are still ways to get that kind of damage but it's very situational, cd4>1+4>1>1(second jab can be removed for less carry) >B2,3> df324~u> fly3> guaranteed b4 still does like 66 I think but you need perfect spacing for the
@@holyother1 No point in going for hellsweeps because you _only_ get 50 dmg? Sure.. XD In that case I guess Kazuya players who use hellsweeps are totally out of their minds.
I’m glad knee said it, devil Jin is clearly one of the worst characters in the game. The fact that people didn’t realize it until mainman said it, shows how little a lot of the tekken community know about the game.
@@TheMidian46 He does have influence over a large majority of the tekken fan base though. Sadly, people can’t form their own opinions without it being stated by an influencer.
yeah having electric and free wallcarry whanever he wants....truly one of the the worst. its knee the god of defense...him placing devil down there has little to no meaning for normal humans playing the game. mainman just takes every opportunity to downplay his mishimas and now he has a free devil ticket since every mishimaboy crys about him
@@eVuLeX If you think devil jin is good, you must be very bad at the game. Feng literally has multiple safe mid launchers and a safe mid that wall bounces. Marduk has every tool devil jin has except 100% better, easier and on steroids. What game are you playing? lol Not to mention it’s extremely easy to step devil jin.
@@YourMasta Yah compare dvj mids to...almost literally anyone in the game and it's terrible...but OH NO dvj got a free b4 from uf4 so everyone (frame) thinks he's top 5 somehow and had to be nerfed 😂
@@holden6104 you dont see her a lot true but that is mostly due to her being a new character, most people prefer to use legacy characters, i main her and trust me she is not that bad
@@RazorIsEpic man, if you are that blind then believe whatever you want idgaf, but i would say try the character for yourself and have your own opinion instead of just being a bot
@@johnsalchichon3605 "most ppl prefer to use legacy chars" that's the biggest lie ever.. Lidia as top tier was used by everyone, Leo as top tier (5.0) is far from being that popular even tho it is a strong char rn the same can be said about S1 Paul or S4 devil Jin I think you just hate Lidia to the point you refuse the fact she is bad rn lol
LArs mix up and pokes are godly. His crushing launchers and power crush is solid. His CH launch game and punish is solid. His range is also good. His lows may not knock down but they do a ton of damage and it can be mixed up with launchers.
I'm honestly surprised how many people say Fahkuram is one of the worst characters. I'm not a high level player (so far Destroyer is my highest rank but I've been stuck between Juggernaut and Usurper for a hot minute now) but I find Fahkuram to be one of my toughest matchups. Not THE toughest but enough where hearing he's low tier is surprising
Cause he is.. He can't step, about 30% of his moves are launch punishable, his lows are bad, either he loses turn or he gets launched.. His counter game is non existent, he struggles to middle launch, df23 duck and launch him, ff1+2 -15, no panic tools, no hopkick.. Too flawed character.. At your ranks tiers mean nothing indeed and you shouldn't worry
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me: "man noctis not good"
knee: "noctis top 5"
also me: " man noctis op"
😂
Lol
😅bruh😂
Lmao
I mean, he did say for PC only, so it's not hard to abuse him for online abuse...
I need to say this. Knee's tier list is at the highest of high level play. His tier list is based on his defense, whiff-punishment, sidesteps, backdashes and knowledge of all characters. I mean if you have defense like wall, your point of view will different from other players because lots of low moves won't work on him, but work on normal players. But some characters are strong at different levels of play because their moves are safer and faster than other characters.
Exactly why I could easily have win streaks on rank with a lower tier character like anna but struggle with a top tier like steve. Rank and high level/proplay feels like completely different games imo.
More safer
very true. A tier list for scrubs is way different
@@fangiscool1 Yes, I think at different level there are different tier lists.
Noctis on PC where there's less input lag can be scary sharp. Remember his df2 is an easy launching whiff punisher and his f2 can literally punish your keep outs from across the screen.
In high level play df2 is difficult to land due to close range and safe playstyle so it can be useful mostly if the opponent commits a mistake or if the player is able to sidestep and then punish, when you look at ATL tournament it’s obvious that the move that can upgrade Noctis on the tierlist is B2(1+2) or Chidori, that move alone is a game changer because it can intercepts most poke moves at close range and deals a ton of damage making opponents even scary to try any mix-ups.
I am not saying Noctis doesn’t have others good moves but that move it’s super busted.
@@hypnotoad1390 You're right, I use chidori a lot too. But, you can do chidori on PS4 with no difference in PC. I am merely stating why Noctis is better on PC than in PS4 thanks to having less input lag.
@@teamagbitang7928
Oh yes, unfortunately I played rarely on PC with my friends when I can, so I am not very familiar with input lag advantage on pc and honestly at my level I have many others things to worry about.
Remember that this is from an elite players perception who fights other elite players and not online warriors
he is referring to online I believe. thats why he mentions the difference between PS4 and PC
@William Brame only top tier players tho cause that actual stats say otherwise
@@Williamdealing well tournaments are usually fought on PS4s
He s reffering to online. He said pc and ps4
@@HolySok sure but I don’t think he’s referring to that.
I really want him to elaborate more on he’s picks😢
Wanna be the next scrupman?
He's just throwing shit out there to see everybody go crazy lol.
Do we really need an elaboration doe? There's so many tierlists out there that does so already. I'm pretty sure we all get the idea of his reasoning of those character placements. Just wanted to on now which of the cast he leans to in terms of top5/bottom5.
Why u don’t give him a free english lesson so he can elaborate more for you? Oops I forget u guys are riding his meat at all the time even him being not able to speak English fluently
I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Knee but based on his Top 5 Best characters, most of them are characters with great punishes and defense options. Kuni, Noctis, Geese, etc. which suits his play style. The top comment of this vid described it better than me.
I was like "wow, what?!" the whole video
i doubt people would hate the 2ds nearly as much if they hadnt been top tier and so prevalent in tournament, geese and akouma being so strong since release has soured me towards them for sure
been waiting on this for a long time fam!
When he said Noctis he was probably thinking about B2(1+2) or Chidori as they call in Korea.
The move can compensate Noctis lows by using a defensive playstyle and trying to intercept the opponent.
Yea back 2 and df2 are ridiculous when It comes to whiff punishing with Noctis. Especially db1 and F1+2
@@6omni6draconian6 there's like zero reason to use F1+2 when df2 is right there
@@BreadBeardFGC df2 sometimes whiffs on female characters
@@6omni6draconian6 Of course it does.
@@BreadBeardFGCafter the combo finisher with ff4 then df2 doesnt hit on female chars
I thought my game had dropped down as I was suddenly getting my arse whooped by 15 different Noctis on PC in ranked but now I know, thanks for the clarification Knee sama
nah, that's because you are trash
I don't think it would be wise to attribute your losses to Knee's opinion by default.
What Knee is saying doesn’t apply much to you lmao. He is talking about tournament level, the highest level of play.
nah you're still a fraud
Wow, noctis top 5 ,guess CBM has been doing very well in korea.
I struggle vs Noctis ngl
Yeah, Steve too.
@@KingJaeTV i still remember your fight with mainman's noctis XD
LOL. Could be because CBM's Noctis has beaten Knee.
@@KingJaeTV ORA
He didn't have to do my boy DVJ like that.
he didn't do anythingm, it's namco's work
I expected Jin to be in Top 5 Worst. Man has the worst wr data
For those who don't think devil jin isn't a bad character, I would like to remind you that he mostly relied on pokes and mixups. Basically he was the combination of Hei, Kazuya and Jin. But other than that he had nothing stands out compared to other Mishimas. His pokes aren't strong as Jin or Heihachi and now they nerfed his mixup potential and damage too. What's there left for Devil Jin to be considered good or average? And how many Devil Jin players have you guys seen that did well in tournaments for like 2 years?
he's awful now, they completely butchered his 50/50 mixup, used to be hellsweep or uf4, but now his uf4 doesn't knockdown EVEN ON CH, he truly is awful now
@@thelonesomewanderer8359 yeah and you have to take a big risk with ws2 and hell sweep mix up
It's been over 2 years since he's done well in tournaments man. Like...4 or something.
When his uf4 gave a free b4 he was good
@@thelonesomewanderer8359 uf4 was just busted, he can still mix hellsweep with ws2 and ff2 for launch or knockdown. you were just spoiled by a comepletely brainless mixup, now that it takes some skill, he's dead and can't be played smh
everything knee say bout tekken , i believe it
nice bro, knee said akuma is shit in season 1 :)
@@koyomi_ya not necessarily what he means, because when Akuma was released, he and Korean community said it breaks the rules of the game and refused to play it. So it's more likely he meant akuma was literally sht.
They could have nerfed only DVJ B2,1 and kept his UF4 intact to at least preserve some of his Offensive game, or Nerfed only his UF4 and leave his High Combo damage. But nerfing both is very unfair and makes DVJ a Very High Execution Character with the Lowest Reward in the game.
I think DVJ might have literally the lowest Damage Output in the game at his Current State
Yep even hitting Double EWGF to a combo feels like my damage is not enough
Noctis? Woah, that one threw me off.
Hopefully Tekken 8 gets rid of the lack of parity between platforms. Native input lag is cancer.
This an issue with console that won’t be fix. On PC you can reduce the input with a high refresh rate monitor and put VSYNC off
I'll never understand what they were thinking adding Noctass to tekken lmao.
Because why not if FF have a proper fighting game this is a great start not like dissidia
@@woofzen8311 N O
Rip kekw let's go main
The final DLC character nerf patch was too much. Fahkumram and Lidia needed nerfs, but not this much. Now they are unplayable. Not a single pro player kept playing them. Leroy sees some play. He is fine now.
Lidia isn't unplayable, she's still good imo
@@UriPhoneCracker i never got why people kept saying she is unplayable. I didnt even think lydia was nerfed that much, imo political storm never should have tracked and i lowkey think it wasnt even intended. She is just mid tier now but nothing like fahk where his whole playstyle and kit got made useless
Knee knows!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Knee saying Devil Jin (one of his early mains) in Top 5 worst is because probably everything Devil Jin does is in the textbook. What I mean by this is that Devil Jin players only has a few sets of moves that is optional. Everyone playing Tekken prolly remembers pretty much all his move sets that's why Devil Jin is difficult to play
My boy Noctis finally getting his spotlight😂
Knee said Noctis was good even before this
Agreed noct support
Hell yeah!!
I'm now no longer a lidia main effective immediately
😂
We have to stick together for Lidia
so what about the other 42 characters ?
More of a top 5 and bottom 5 than a tier list 😅
Everyone else mid tier I guess
Kneegan on the thumbnail
They call Akuma Gouki in Korea as well? I thought it was only in Japan for some reason.
Well most Asian countries uses the Japan names for SF Character because of the arcades back in the days only offer japan versions. Like me i though Vega is Dictator, M. Bison is Boxer, Balrog is Spanish dude. Then English came in and Confused me
New sub here (but have been lurking in a while), great content as always! One thing I kind of would like to hear especially from a pro player is a tier list difference between online and offline environments. What is YOUR own personal opinion about that? Is there a huge or noticeable difference, especially knowing Tekken 7's netcode?
This is a very good content idea. Might do that.
The Noctis i did not expect!
I love it!!
Noctis is really surprising but not actually
noctis has pretty terrible lows, as a noctis main I am surprised
@@waleedbinshabbir1542 maybe there’s a play style or strategy you and most people aren’t aware of yet. I’m surprised too honestly. Nobi probably busting out some online secret discord tech out there in Japan 😅
@@waleedbinshabbir1542 terrible lows how?
@@ducky6160 compared to like half of the cast he has no lows that can launch, the 50/50 feel extremely risky to use. He seems more like a character that excels in whiff punishing and chip damage. both of which require good movement, which I don't have the talent for
If you watch how CBM uses him he absolutely destroys people with Chidori, the move is disgustingly good as a neutral tool/frame trap.
I love how Lucky Chloe is trash tier, but many people still complain about her.
Because people don't fight her enough to remember her bullshit in the middle of a match, lol.
She's an entire library of garbage lmao
Noctis???
The way pro players forget eddy even exists lmao because saying devil Jin in the bottom 5 and eddy sitting right there
Eddy isnt that bad. And knee thinks a heavy mix up character is a strong character
@@Tuxedosnake00 I don’t agree with that
@@Tuxedosnake00 what does “that bad” mean ?
@@PrinceZayy_ he's saying he doesn't consider Eddy bottom 5
@@NickTheSickDick what is he bottom 10?
Noctis i feel is a overpowered charecter , difficult to play with silver rank noctis in rank modes too.
Well he isn't getting nerfed anytime soon so better learn
Wow Noctis.
(Tries Noctis)
*LOSES THE GAME*
try devil jin 😃
Not surprising. The sole intention of the Devil Jin nerfs is to make people stop playing him, since by now it's almost surely won't be in the game, which is sad. A classic character, with a big fan base. I still believe in getting TGO with DJ as a goodbye before Tekken 8. Never give up.
I really believe he's still in
He will be in the next game. Jin literally uses a devil form in the single player mode. Why would it not be playable? I don’t get why people keep saying this without thinking.
@@YourMasta He may be some kind of stance, like Devil Kazuya in Tekken 7. But I think he is not going to be a separate character anymore. It's clear Jin has a merged moveset.
@@YourMasta devil jin = not wings, it's tekken 3 moveset
@@atlante4368 jin has moves from various characters in the cast. He has some of Lars moves yet he’s a separate character. There is a huge population of Mishima players. You think Namco is going to force all of them to play kazuya? lol That would be a d*** decision.
Surprised he didn't say Paul. He's been dominant with Paul.
Why Lidia? because everything is easily stepable to the left,
max range you have to dash cancel and bait so you can get in,
mid range you have to go into stance, which is interruptable
and 0 range she has a lot of duckable strings and no scary lows
also her combo damage is average, throw game is simple and the only answer for all that are her 2 mids (df2 and df4)
she owns a lot of moves you should never use in generall
a lot of risks and not a great reward especially after the nerfs
He put her in the bottom 5.
@@TheRambler That was my point lol
@@BlueGangsta_MX my bad haha i read that wrong.
Bears not bottom 5 according to knee ?
did you watch the video?
I did not expect claudio here
As a Kuni main I'm happy to say ya she's broken AF and well deserved top 5 😂
knee said she's very good not broken
Kunimitsu is everywhere on Ps4 and she is soo op and braindead... alot pf People Who are stuck with their main and then pick up Kunimitsu will increase their rank by atleast 5 more... pay to win for sure
no elaboration ? especially on ps4 / pc disparity?
input lag you baboon
Knee God. hope to be able to watch a tournament live with him in it. Tekken 8!!
Are they at evo?
Unblieveble 3 top caracthers are guest... For me is a shame just for sell to make money
It's really Evil the way the so many in the Tekken Community as well as the main man Targeted Devil Jin to turn him into one of the worst characters in the game.
And even now so many of them attack you for speaking up about it. A bunch of Sadistic ignorant clowns who have never played the character a day in their lives.
They should have their characters key move nerfed into the ground, and then if they complain, accuse them of being carried by the move and tell them to shut up
Devil Jin was a literal behemoth when S4 released
The nerfs were necessary but this is too much
They could have nerfed only DVJ B2,1 and kept his UF4 intact to at least preserve some of his Offensive game, or Nerfed only his UF4 and leave his High Combo damage. But nerfing both is very unfair and makes DVJ a Very High Execution Character with the Lowest Reward in the game.
I think DVJ might have literally the lowest Damage Output in the game at his Current State
@@PsychoHell-uy2px
"I think DVJ might have literally the lowest Damage Output in the game at his Current State"
Imagine forgetting Eddy exists lmaoooo
Eddy's combo damage is way higher than Devil Jins. I don't know about the rest of his gameplay though
Steve top 5 on PC ? I guess he's right because he's the goat
Only HIS Steve lmao
@@wildman7220 I know man, I sub Steve and I understand
Geese the only character I know who gets stronger the more than he is nerfed.
Geeesssuuuuu
Im sorry, but without his explanation this is just confusing...
Unfortunately, there is no translation.
Damn Devil Jin bottom 5???
What's the input delay for pc and ps4?
DJ bottom 5?
Exactly.
Top tier competitive doesn't translate into green, red, blue, purple or even low gold. Incase anyone thinks it does. Unless you in the top 1000 best in the world pretend you didn't hear Noctis or Kuni. That's why you wrecked people in green with devil jin, but you hardly see him passed orange, minus the cheaters that seem to really like to use him. They don't count.
Devil Jin is bottom 5? Huh?
obviously? dunno why thats a surprise
yeah dj is fucking trash, noone was playing that character even in season 4 when he was considered "good" , namco just deleted him
Probably pro player scene has his gimmicks all figured out. Devil kicks my butt but Im a casual player
@@leonha4479 IDK,... because his hellsweep is the single best move in the game?
Obviously Knee is a million time more knowledgable about Tekken than I ever will, but here he just sounds like a butthurt Devil Jin player that wants his old UF4 back. You have to be flat out stupid to honestly consider DJ bottom 5.
@@FCM415 dj has no gimmicks lol
oh wow really interesting.
Knee: Devil Jin bad.
Qudans: Say that again.
Qudans literally dropped him for Leroy so he ain't even wrong
TMM wept when he saw no mishimas HAHAHHA
I actually thought Lars and Drag would be in his Bottom 5 S5
Noctis!
I main kunimitsu
What does he call Akuma?
Gouki. Name official of akuma in Asia
No way is DJ bottom 5 but he is definitely overrated as fuck by tons of people, especially after he was smacked with the nerf bat and lost his power mid and a lot of his combo damage. Don't get me wrong, having an electric is always great, but his busted hellsweep is the only thing that's actually scary about him and the only thing keeping him relevant. People who still talk about him like he's top tier are whack. Personally I think he's mid/mid-high tier. Lots of better characters than DJ in the current state of the game.
id say bottom cause its actually kinda rare to see anyone play him in tournaments nowadays only knee did and qudans. But now knee has completely dropped him people were band wagon on the devil jin op but if that was true why didnt we have a situation like leroy or all the DLC characters dominating it? even if i say this the facts are there are people who will still claim he was op before and even after
His main problem is he has no threatening mid off crouch dash anymore, but his Mishima staples alone should put him in at least mid tier.
Hellsweep does like 56 damage with wall combo, it's not *that* scary, especially when you have full freedom to duck it way more than other Mishimas. Without walls kazuya's hellsweep is *way* better, almost the same damage and unbelievable Oki.
A- tier at best sadly lol
B- at worst
I would replace Lidia with Kuma or Yoshimitsu.
Damn
Dude knee spitting 😂
Claudio and noctis broken ahh
That's going to be cool
Why Fahkumram 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Akuma is the strongest and always will be top tier in Tekken 7
Homie said noctis?
Indeed
Wow that Devil Jin up forward 4 nerf was so strong, it got knee to place him in bottom 5 😮. Thought I'm sure there are other factors knee took into consideration.
B21 indirectly nerfed his hellsweep and his overall combo damage. There’s no point even going for hellsweep now if you know you can get launched for trying to do a 50 damage launcher when it used to do up to 70. DJ 2 electric combo with b21 used to get about 110 damage but now theres no point even going for 2 electrics cause the damage is negligible. Uf4 was a ridiculously good mid but the no knockdown nerf was insane cause he basically has no real scary mids now. Most players can’t iws2 so ff2 is their only mid now in neutral.
@@holyother1 there are still ways to get that kind of damage but it's very situational, cd4>1+4>1>1(second jab can be removed for less carry) >B2,3> df324~u> fly3> guaranteed b4 still does like 66 I think but you need perfect spacing for the
@@NickTheSickDick this combo only works like once for 100 situations
@@holyother1 No point in going for hellsweeps because you _only_ get 50 dmg? Sure.. XD In that case I guess Kazuya players who use hellsweeps are totally out of their minds.
@@McYaballow kazuya literally has mids to condition the opponent to take the mixup. Dj is not conditioning an opponent with ff2.
Wow how did DJin fall so far down from where he was a few years ago?
He was never broken.
@@wildman7220 No one said broken, but he was at least A tier before, not he's at the bottom?!
LIDIA???? I understand the nerf but knee is high if he thinks lidia sobieska is bottom tier!
0:06 Lucky Culera xd
The best characters: Jack 7, Bob
I’m glad knee said it, devil Jin is clearly one of the worst characters in the game. The fact that people didn’t realize it until mainman said it, shows how little a lot of the tekken community know about the game.
scrupman doesn't kow anything too, total clown
@@TheMidian46 He does have influence over a large majority of the tekken fan base though. Sadly, people can’t form their own opinions without it being stated by an influencer.
yeah having electric and free wallcarry whanever he wants....truly one of the the worst. its knee the god of defense...him placing devil down there has little to no meaning for normal humans playing the game. mainman just takes every opportunity to downplay his mishimas and now he has a free devil ticket since every mishimaboy crys about him
@@eVuLeX If you think devil jin is good, you must be very bad at the game. Feng literally has multiple safe mid launchers and a safe mid that wall bounces. Marduk has every tool devil jin has except 100% better, easier and on steroids. What game are you playing? lol Not to mention it’s extremely easy to step devil jin.
@@YourMasta Yah compare dvj mids to...almost literally anyone in the game and it's terrible...but OH NO dvj got a free b4 from uf4 so everyone (frame) thinks he's top 5 somehow and had to be nerfed 😂
Devil Jin is definitely the worst character in the game.
I like these match up analysis in the comments👍🏽👌🏽
Los top tiers en pc si se los sabe rapido 😎
There is NO Season 5 T7 smfh🤦🏾♂️
I didn't see Kuma 😏
I really dont think lidia is bottom 5
Funny how you NEVER see her anymore though.
@@holden6104 you dont see her a lot true but that is mostly due to her being a new character, most people prefer to use legacy characters, i main her and trust me she is not that bad
@@johnsalchichon3605 No offense but I'd rather trust Knee's words than some rando who probably isn't even into TGO.
@@RazorIsEpic man, if you are that blind then believe whatever you want idgaf, but i would say try the character for yourself and have your own opinion instead of just being a bot
@@johnsalchichon3605 "most ppl prefer to use legacy chars"
that's the biggest lie ever..
Lidia as top tier was used by everyone, Leo as top tier (5.0) is far from being that popular even tho it is a strong char rn the same can be said about S1 Paul or S4 devil Jin
I think you just hate Lidia to the point you refuse the fact she is bad rn lol
No zafina I love it been saying there's better then her😊
Poor Lidia
Lars is not trash anymore or hes so trash that theres not even point mentioning anymore?
Lars with good fundamentals is better then those characters. Mainly when people say Lars is trash. They're just talking tournament level
Lars had a problem with serviceable lows. He's gotten enough buffs that he's no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel.
LArs mix up and pokes are godly. His crushing launchers and power crush is solid. His CH launch game and punish is solid. His range is also good. His lows may not knock down but they do a ton of damage and it can be mixed up with launchers.
@@frozzytango9927 his ch game is decidedly mediocre, other than that ur right.
@@frozzytango9927 Plus wall carry and braindead execution.
Where did Noctis come from?😆 But his picks are pretty accurate 👍
He on purpose tells misleading top and worst 5 i think
Noctis???? Lmfao
Why this difference between ps4 and pc?
Input lag
Damn son I need to practice My kuni mitsu and geese for evo! 🎉
Im playing with the worst character! Cool!
So funny, thats the most character's in his list came from others games 🤣
Dinosaur from the UK put Lidia above Leo, I'm still laughing at his useless tier list
무릎형 한국어로 말하면서 케릭은 발음 굴리는거 귀엽노 ㅋㅋ😅😅
Wtf noctis?
yeah
I'm honestly surprised how many people say Fahkuram is one of the worst characters. I'm not a high level player (so far Destroyer is my highest rank but I've been stuck between Juggernaut and Usurper for a hot minute now) but I find Fahkuram to be one of my toughest matchups. Not THE toughest but enough where hearing he's low tier is surprising
He's just very punishable, once you know the matchup he becomes very weak
Cause he is..
He can't step, about 30% of his moves are launch punishable, his lows are bad, either he loses turn or he gets launched..
His counter game is non existent, he struggles to middle launch, df23 duck and launch him, ff1+2 -15, no panic tools, no hopkick..
Too flawed character..
At your ranks tiers mean nothing indeed and you shouldn't worry
that's because the tier list only work in the highest level of play with solid defense, in low rank every character is good