give him a rimjob. he can't even speak baby level english and he doesn't explain anything. phidx asked why geese is not good i don't understand, what did he say? nothing. uuuuuh, very high introspection alert!
Wow, what a coincidence, I was just about to ask for this! (Been watching a lot of YGO tier lists lately) I do quite enjoy the discussions that can be had with tier lists, but I don't know how far they can be taken with Tekken (YGO has tier lists for days). Although they're definitely something I like to watch.
I'm seeing your channel lately and I have to say your videos are very good and your takes are really on point. Keep it up, you deserve more subs/views. If I can make a little suggestion, I'd really like to see a deep dive on the match ups, for example I didn't know that Paul has a bad match up with characters with a good back dash. But that's just a suggestion, you are doing great
"If Parry 100%, #1" *L M A O* Gotta love it. The ridiculousness, absurdity and *truthfulness nonetheless* in this statement alone. Knee is the real deal.
I’d love to see a technical list of what damage Jin can get vs what Leroy can get since you can do certain moves after Leroy’s parry that aren’t the canned parry attack. It’s more difficult so you don’t see it that often but Knee was talking about hypothetical perfection.
@@Animetheplayer Probably still bad match-ups tier, honestly. Throws aren't that great in T7 regardless, and King's high hitboxes and average movement still make some match-ups kind of annoying. df2(1) CH is kind of the wild card, because that string is stupidly good.
@@thefabledenglishman6000 There are ways around that, which is doing feint and half inputs for chain throws, but it's way too much work and it's not worth it at times (taxes the hand too much with high chance of miss input).
Yoshi top 15 is so interesting. he's probably the strongest he's ever been with that new F1+2 counter hit launch and the guaranteed sword mill after wall crush.
Asuka in the "bad matchups" tier makes all the sense in the world. Its funnt ttough cause she's solid vs some of the top 10 like Akuma, Marduk, ajd Geese, but she's just so bad vs some characters like Kuni, Noctis, Julia, Claudio, and Feng, that's its really hard to stay consistent with her. Also love how Phi was saying that top 5 had like 6 characters while the actual list only has 4 distinct characters. 😂
@@lyricalsnowfall He doesn't have a consistent punish for b3. And because most of his good moves are pretty slow, cancan is an amazing move to just blow him up. If you play the matchup fast and force the Marduk to play to your pace, you'll have plenty of chances to get big big damage.
@@lyricalsnowfallMarduk sucks when facing aggressive players due to slow startup frames. Several of asuka's buttons have either high or low evasion that allow her to catch off attempts at punishing her spam. The best way to avoid getting evasivelly whiff punished is by using fast mids vs her when she starts sequencing neutral/plus frames with evasion. But Marduk has zero fast mids (his mids might actually all be minus on block, cant remember). Either way, he has very few tools to deal with evasive pressure as long as you're in his face. Add to that Asuka's parry and you've got a ganeplan that consist of "get in his face" versus "run the fuck away so I can use my lanky arms". Please note that there's a difference between playing aggressively and playing unsafe though. Temper your aggression or you'll witness god in 4K.
Glad you got knee to do this, the list was pretty good considdering the rushed conditions, Not sure about Noctis being top10 but what do i know, also putting Julia & Katarina specifically in "PS4 top 5" was funny
Man i really despise goin up against noctis and usually root against any noctis players in tourneys that was you included. But tbh im becoming a fan, watch ur content very often these days cuz it's top quality, straight to the point, very informative. Keep it up 🙌 one of my favourite Tekken creators rn.
It's kinda funny, I made a tier list few days ago where I put Jin in top 5, Geese and Julia below him in top 10, Steve and Lee in and around top 15, DJ in Bottom 15 below ganryu, nina lower than Anna and King lower than armor king because I believe he has more bad matchups and people flamed my ass. Now Knee has pretty much done the same and also put only my main in hard/honest category which I have been telling people for ages that she's so hard to win with against random play and very high level. The only major difference I see is I would swap lei and law here.
Thats why I am saying the developers should not entirely listen to the pro players when it comes to balancing. It was clear since the beginning how strong Katarina rly was in online pros only discover the characters strengths when another player does well with that charcter in a tournament
@@rpgtimefire she was never bad in online and a few buffs cannot make a character go from f tier to s tier unless the buffs are crazy like the ones leo got
@@Whitesoul-.20 one buff can make a character broken. I remember one patch they over buffed a law move and everyone was playing him destroying ppl. Its not one buff its multiple small buffs over 10 years. Her small tekken game is so much more cleaner now. Plus the ability to frame trap way easier.
That giant swing advice is good.. yes you can compare that to hachet kick.. but mostly bryan player execute hachet kick on neutral.. yes you can duck it but its so fast and bryan does have 3+4 and qcb,4 but king players normally pokes first then buffer giant swing.. im saying this bcuz i fought a AK player and what i do when i heard a circular noise from his stick i press 1 🤣🤣🤣
@@finnmarr-heenan2397 i see... Dont know about that thou ive never been had a game with a player using controller or right stick.. most people playing here are using arcade sticks and some korean levers are to loud ( neo knee lever,etc) clicking that you can hear the stick how they input it...
clip this to bandi-namco as the best says again for 3rd time that lei is very gd character and hard to use proerly and consecutively. Lei wulong for Tekken 8 plz. thx and ty. love your channel and ty sirs.
You should do a reaction on FT5 Hafiz Tanveer(claudio) vs Arslan Ash( noctis) and explain the different play style of Noctis by you and Arslan against the same opponent and same character.. Would be really interesting
@@reirei_tk yeah man i just disabled v-sync and changed a couple of graphics settings according to Rip's old video settings.. and i can actually play the game now LOL.
Kazumi is all about the players themself, sure its hard to win with kazumi , but winning against a good kazumi is even harder , they have tools for almost everything
what i hear when someone says a character is "bad for tournaments" or "low tier" "so if you play this guy and win, you're better then everyone else who plays these other characters up here, cuz they're just SOOO strong and you're just simply better"
Not really. They mean that some chars are better in a quick ft2 match, rather than deathmatch. Knee and other Koreans still play deathmatches. Knee also plays a bunch of characters, so I assume he would choose different chars for each situation. Not riding his dick here, just don't think it's johns necessarily.
@@bennymountain1 no im just messing around cuz the two characters i main are uuusually considered hard to learn and not the beeest I picked em cuz they're cool to me, they both just so happen to be hard/not the best characters Edit: main is bryan cuz zombie cyborg is metal as fuck, secondary i picked up recently, drag, cuz he's kinda funny and awkward, but also cool grapples, i like grapples, and shit lows, cuz i dont wanna rely too much on bryan's strong lows (just if you were curious idk lol)
For short tournaments when people don't know your patterns on the 50/50 she is a very dangerous character, even more than Kazuya. For long sets she is close to bottom 10 imo
@@falo4043 yeah...that I can understand... Playing her at the moment and I'm not even that good with Anna...just playing her basics...do not expect a lot of elbow rushes from me...but people get very confused about her mix ups en speedy strings...Ok..higher ups will have it easy playing against her but her explosiveness and 50/50 is indeed what makes her difficult to play against.. And now I'm playing against a 3xS+ Anna....gonna get wrecked....🥲🥲😄😄
I just just gained Emperor with Asuka last week. And I'm really not good at tekken. I feel Asuka is one of the strongest. I only have problems fighting Bryan. Anyone else is manageable with Asuka.
@PhiDX oh you're right... so is kuni. But they're not that much represented online and I mostly lose to them because I know nothing about them... and of course because of their non sabaki conform moves... Btw... I'm rooting for you. Love the way you celebrate your wins.
i want to say the u/f+4 nerf is what turned many players away from DVJ. Don't play him myself but thats what sticks out the more from the Season 5 changes
What i've seen from playing him its he has low/avarage damage combo, quite bad mids, his cancel transitions can be interrupted, u/f 4 gives nothing, too much telegraphed moveset (like strings as d4 3, ff3 2 4, d/f 3 2 4), bad magic4 And then he has some stupid moves like u4 or the short imblok
My guess would be how hard he is to play well, especially when compared to other high tier characters who practically pilot themselves. DJ is still insane on paper.
@@keidz03ps4 has 1/2 frame delay and pc dosent have any delay that's the thing I can share the video explaining the same so it becomes easier to put frame perfect commands on pc as per my experience myself
Tekken 7 on consoles has significantly more native input lag. This makes reactive play much harder - the risk of eating a strong mid while moving/fuzzying is increased while mixups are harder to block if you choose to stay still and avoid being clipped. Characters like Katarina are ideal for this environment because she has tons of fast and safe big hitbox buttons which constantly force reactions out of the opponent on hit and on block. Katarina and Claudio are still strong but high level players would be able to block, move and punish them bit more accurately on PC.
Ps4 has more input lag than pc (I don't remember how much exactly), making some moves that you could more or less consistently react to in PC unreactable on ps4. And also when it comes to precise movement and the likes, because of the input lag ps4 basically makes it wayyyy harder and many times even downright impractical. Yes it's fucked up, blame bamco.
s tier because of a player is the dumbest reason ever. that is not what a tier list means. if one wins all tournaments with yoshi, and only him, that does not mean he is s tier@@noblejustice19
its a bit confusing how to view this tierlist because of sections that dont say "top x," it'd be nice if you were able to place a single character several times so we could see where they would be at on non pc / ps4 great video otherwise
![FORTNITE CLASSICS IS BACK! Fortnite Item Shop [November 15th, 2024] (Fortnite Chapter 5)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RbQURbeFwqs/mqdefault.jpg)
For a man that gets asked this question incessantly since T7 launched, he has so much patience and introspection every time he speaks on the topic
give him a rimjob. he can't even speak baby level english and he doesn't explain anything. phidx asked why geese is not good i don't understand, what did he say? nothing. uuuuuh, very high introspection alert!
Knee is such a humble person. Good job with that video phi!
thank god he didnt put steve on top 5. Now I have an excuse when i lose
LMAO
Nah, even if he put Steve at Top 5 you have another excuse.... He's hard to play and requires strict execution 😁👌
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tiers barely matter only since it’s unreliable and Tekken is so knowledge checky that even the worst characters can get away with nonsense.
Nah you have no excuses
"Lars tresh" will never stop being funny 🤣
"You play Noctisu?
Please stahp. Changey characto"
"Noctisu iszu..... TRESH 😏"
Play stevu, stevu is good characto
This must be racist.
@@Asura6ix ruclips.net/video/TNRDzXZGV4g/видео.htmlsi=PiQ6KAuuOKoukTkO
Mo?
Now I realized why it feels so strange when I join the tournament, coz I practice on PC, and there is no input delay, while console have.
Wow, what a coincidence, I was just about to ask for this! (Been watching a lot of YGO tier lists lately) I do quite enjoy the discussions that can be had with tier lists, but I don't know how far they can be taken with Tekken (YGO has tier lists for days). Although they're definitely something I like to watch.
I mean we have a diverse format, I saw a teirlist of the current format almost 2 hrs lmao
@@Dyleniz Jesse Kotton's 1.5 hour video about 50 or whatever staple cards was peak
@@reirei_tk yea thats the one I saw also the hr long when to hand trap guides form other ygo creators
I'm seeing your channel lately and I have to say your videos are very good and your takes are really on point. Keep it up, you deserve more subs/views.
If I can make a little suggestion, I'd really like to see a deep dive on the match ups, for example I didn't know that Paul has a bad match up with characters with a good back dash. But that's just a suggestion, you are doing great
Haven’t played Tekken since Tekken 5 so getting into it again before 8 :) thanks for this
"If Parry 100%, #1"
*L M A O*
Gotta love it. The ridiculousness, absurdity and *truthfulness nonetheless* in this statement alone.
Knee is the real deal.
I’d love to see a technical list of what damage Jin can get vs what Leroy can get since you can do certain moves after Leroy’s parry that aren’t the canned parry attack. It’s more difficult so you don’t see it that often but Knee was talking about hypothetical perfection.
Never realize king worst matchup is 1 monitor
There are some players who quite literally put a blanket on top of their hands to try to prevent their opponents from hearing the iSW or GS inputs.
Makes me wonder what King's tier would be on pad
@@thefabledenglishman6000 i remember kokkoma doing that against arslan
@@Animetheplayer Probably still bad match-ups tier, honestly. Throws aren't that great in T7 regardless, and King's high hitboxes and average movement still make some match-ups kind of annoying. df2(1) CH is kind of the wild card, because that string is stupidly good.
@@thefabledenglishman6000 There are ways around that, which is doing feint and half inputs for chain throws, but it's way too much work and it's not worth it at times (taxes the hand too much with high chance of miss input).
Yoshi top 15 is so interesting. he's probably the strongest he's ever been with that new F1+2 counter hit launch and the guaranteed sword mill after wall crush.
He was already fairly solid. 2,1 is bonkers, df2 is one of the best keepouts, and he just has great range. The oki game is top
yeah the 2,1 cancel is my favorite thing to use. very underrated string in my opinion.@@KTA_ESP
real yoshi is best yoshi is better than everyone
Yea but he’s not because he’s very hard to win tournaments with especially in a ft2 settings. Thats why you dont see yoshi winning majors
@@mibbzx1493 yeah in other words he is hard to master
finally a tier list, that says Yoshi isn't weak, like many other lists. He is far from being weak.
Asuka in the "bad matchups" tier makes all the sense in the world. Its funnt ttough cause she's solid vs some of the top 10 like Akuma, Marduk, ajd Geese, but she's just so bad vs some characters like Kuni, Noctis, Julia, Claudio, and Feng, that's its really hard to stay consistent with her.
Also love how Phi was saying that top 5 had like 6 characters while the actual list only has 4 distinct characters. 😂
Hold up, what makes Asuka good in the Marduk matchup? I always struggle to beat him :(
@@lyricalsnowfall He doesn't have a consistent punish for b3. And because most of his good moves are pretty slow, cancan is an amazing move to just blow him up. If you play the matchup fast and force the Marduk to play to your pace, you'll have plenty of chances to get big big damage.
Forever mediocre tier
@@lyricalsnowfallMarduk sucks when facing aggressive players due to slow startup frames. Several of asuka's buttons have either high or low evasion that allow her to catch off attempts at punishing her spam.
The best way to avoid getting evasivelly whiff punished is by using fast mids vs her when she starts sequencing neutral/plus frames with evasion. But Marduk has zero fast mids (his mids might actually all be minus on block, cant remember).
Either way, he has very few tools to deal with evasive pressure as long as you're in his face. Add to that Asuka's parry and you've got a ganeplan that consist of "get in his face" versus "run the fuck away so I can use my lanky arms".
Please note that there's a difference between playing aggressively and playing unsafe though. Temper your aggression or you'll witness god in 4K.
@@lyricalsnowfall in general any character who can't reliably punish b3 is super weak against Asuka, one mistake and you blow up
I love how Knee said that xD 18:40
Iconic
Really considerate of you to tailor your English to ease the language barrier, many don't
Glad you got knee to do this,
the list was pretty good considdering the rushed conditions,
Not sure about Noctis being top10 but what do i know, also putting Julia & Katarina specifically in "PS4 top 5" was funny
Noctis is really really really really good
Man i really despise goin up against noctis and usually root against any noctis players in tourneys that was you included. But tbh im becoming a fan, watch ur content very often these days cuz it's top quality, straight to the point, very informative. Keep it up 🙌 one of my favourite Tekken creators rn.
He’s such a boring and lame moveset
Wow what a treat man. Awesome video. Knee has great takes as usual... Devil Jin main here :^)
Armor King cannot keep getting away with it.
Big fan of your content! They're informative and help a scrub like me understand what's going on piece by piece. Keep it up!
Boa don’t care about bad matchups, he still shreds 😂
Thanks PhiDX for this awesome content! ❤
Boa just doesn't give a fuck if he dies in a hellsweep or not
Boa is also very experienced, like knee was saying that experience can make a character stronger.
@@nsmilitia Yes,but again, this dude literally after a hellsweep is blocked twice, he will hellsweep again right after, so he just doesn't care.
@@nsmilitiau😊
Can we finally admit kunimitsu is busted? That character ruined the game for me. She is so stupid to play against.
Ur not alone 🤣
It's kinda funny, I made a tier list few days ago where I put Jin in top 5, Geese and Julia below him in top 10, Steve and Lee in and around top 15, DJ in Bottom 15 below ganryu, nina lower than Anna and King lower than armor king because I believe he has more bad matchups and people flamed my ass. Now Knee has pretty much done the same and also put only my main in hard/honest category which I have been telling people for ages that she's so hard to win with against random play and very high level.
The only major difference I see is I would swap lei and law here.
Special guest tony in the back
At last someone puts Katarina and Leo where they belong.
leo top 10 ganggang
lee just keeps getting moved lower, im crying
outro >:)
Knee's english so much better!! Proud of him.
You should make a tier list of all season from 1-5, all season tier list
What a guy!! Hopped on a plane to get good hq videos for us!
Hoping that DVJ will be become stronger in T8.
Me too!
He's trash right now so nowhere to go but up
@@chiaramaffei3739Just dont be surprised if more inbred whiners complain over 2 single moves of dj and they nerf him to the ground once again lolol.
It's happening
Love the only set to 2 because its true. players can either adapt very quick or can't.
Thats why I am saying the developers should not entirely listen to the pro players when it comes to balancing. It was clear since the beginning how strong Katarina rly was in online pros only discover the characters strengths when another player does well with that charcter in a tournament
Ill def use Katarina in a tourney and be funny if made it to top 10 using only her lol
Kata got buffed hard on the last seasons, especially her small tekken. On release she was underrated but not as strong as she is now.
Naw your forgetting the buffs. 44 string wasn't so solid and harrier follow ups were trash.
@@rpgtimefire she was never bad in online and a few buffs cannot make a character go from f tier to s tier unless the buffs are crazy like the ones leo got
@@Whitesoul-.20 one buff can make a character broken. I remember one patch they over buffed a law move and everyone was playing him destroying ppl. Its not one buff its multiple small buffs over 10 years. Her small tekken game is so much more cleaner now. Plus the ability to frame trap way easier.
That giant swing advice is good.. yes you can compare that to hachet kick.. but mostly bryan player execute hachet kick on neutral.. yes you can duck it but its so fast and bryan does have 3+4 and qcb,4 but king players normally pokes first then buffer giant swing.. im saying this bcuz i fought a AK player and what i do when i heard a circular noise from his stick i press 1 🤣🤣🤣
That’s why you gotta also spam 360s on the right stick as a fake out
That’s why you gotta also spam 360s on the right stick as a fake out
@@finnmarr-heenan2397 i see... Dont know about that thou ive never been had a game with a player using controller or right stick.. most people playing here are using arcade sticks and some korean levers are to loud ( neo knee lever,etc) clicking that you can hear the stick how they input it...
The noise I let out when I saw Anna’s placement
Soooo the best mishima right now is Bob. Nice.....
I love the content but man, knee is operating on such a higher level then any of us that i dont think this tier list applies to any of us 😅
It does but I don't agree with some points on some characters here
the god of tekken has spoken.
King Jae question 👀😂
🤣
clip this to bandi-namco as the best says again for 3rd time that lei is very gd character and hard to use proerly and consecutively. Lei wulong for Tekken 8 plz. thx and ty. love your channel and ty sirs.
Would love to see a video where you go more in depth with this list
18:43 that somebody was me😂
if you could clarify the bad matchups/risky/one monitor? specifically for howarang and king, I would appreciate it, great content.
One monitor means you're sitting side-by-side and can see their hand movements
Hwoarang has really bad matchups like Zafina and Kuni
You should do a reaction on FT5 Hafiz Tanveer(claudio) vs Arslan Ash( noctis) and explain the different play style of Noctis by you and Arslan against the same opponent and same character.. Would be really interesting
Knee showing love to the Supercop Lei Wulong! 💪🏼 T8 🙏🏼.
Amazing work on the audio! I thought the video was ruined by the bits donations etc...
do people make separate list for ps4/pc because of the input delay on consoles?
precisely yeah
@@PhiDX much appreciated.. thanks champ
Playing on PC vs PS4 is like walking through a flooded basement vs walking underwater.
@@reirei_tk yeah man i just disabled v-sync and changed a couple of graphics settings according to Rip's old video settings.. and i can actually play the game now LOL.
you can tell sometimes because alot of dash follow ups are dropping
LOL, Bob. Second best Mishima in the game!
Top 16 are definitely great tournament characters. The rest are fillers. I’d probably only switch Bob with Bryan tho.
when a top five became a top 50.
It’s very impressive how Tone has made it into the top player inner circle. Unless I’m outdated, I don’t believe he has made top 3 at a major before.
So funny how far Devil Jim fell
"Devil Jim"
😄
I'm calling both Jin's Jim from now on.
hey Phidx i love your "serious " approach , thank your for Knee interview man , i just love that man , no homo tho xD
Damn, didnt know lars was trash.....wow
Your videos are to good i just finished the backdash video now this lol. I paused my show 😅 how can i not watch this.
Katarina main, I agree with this video 🗿
awesome stuff
Kuma and Panda not gonna sugarcoat it , b1 b1 b1
With king my main and Paul, drag and kuma being characters I like it makes me feel better about being trash 😅
Knee is so chill and not full of himself. It's why I love him and not a huge fan of Arslan.
As a Kazumi main, I agree. Kazumi hard!
Kazumi is all about the players themself, sure its hard to win with kazumi , but winning against a good kazumi is even harder , they have tools for almost everything
what i hear when someone says a character is "bad for tournaments" or "low tier"
"so if you play this guy and win, you're better then everyone else who plays these other characters up here, cuz they're just SOOO strong and you're just simply better"
Not really. They mean that some chars are better in a quick ft2 match, rather than deathmatch. Knee and other Koreans still play deathmatches. Knee also plays a bunch of characters, so I assume he would choose different chars for each situation. Not riding his dick here, just don't think it's johns necessarily.
@@bennymountain1 no im just messing around cuz the two characters i main are uuusually considered hard to learn and not the beeest
I picked em cuz they're cool to me, they both just so happen to be hard/not the best characters
Edit: main is bryan cuz zombie cyborg is metal as fuck, secondary i picked up recently, drag, cuz he's kinda funny and awkward, but also cool grapples, i like grapples, and shit lows, cuz i dont wanna rely too much on bryan's strong lows (just if you were curious idk lol)
I don't know why fahkumram is so weak to Knee, can someone tell? I feel he's not an easy character to defend against
I’m concerned about Lydia, cos they rated her thrash and I always get slayed when I match with her
cannot wait for tekken 8
i dropped julia because it felt too easy to win sadge. i hit genbu with steve tho im proud
They wouldn't be "former champions" since it's not like their championships got revoked or anything.
True, just not the most recent world champs
what's the difference between PS4 and TOP5 dynamics ?
Lídia still my favorite
When I played Fahkumram was good. What happened to him?
Surprised about Anna in top 16....
For short tournaments when people don't know your patterns on the 50/50 she is a very dangerous character, even more than Kazuya. For long sets she is close to bottom 10 imo
@@falo4043 yeah...that I can understand...
Playing her at the moment and I'm not even that good with Anna...just playing her basics...do not expect a lot of elbow rushes from me...but people get very confused about her mix ups en speedy strings...Ok..higher ups will have it easy playing against her but her explosiveness and 50/50 is indeed what makes her difficult to play against..
And now I'm playing against a 3xS+ Anna....gonna get wrecked....🥲🥲😄😄
@@falo4043 I never understood that statement. In a long set, a good Anna has the time to adapt and condition you to her 50/50s and keep you guessing.
I just just gained Emperor with Asuka last week. And I'm really not good at tekken.
I feel Asuka is one of the strongest.
I only have problems fighting Bryan. Anyone else is manageable with Asuka.
Noctis is soooo hard for asuka. Confidence is really good though 💪🏼😁
@PhiDX oh you're right... so is kuni. But they're not that much represented online and I mostly lose to them because I know nothing about them... and of course because of their non sabaki conform moves...
Btw... I'm rooting for you. Love the way you celebrate your wins.
@@PhiDXIm hard for Asuka 😜
Why would PS4 be different than PC? Dualpad/FightStick/HitBox should work on both, so is it like a framerate thing?
Input delay is higher on PS4
@@PhiDX What about Xbox?
Got 3 trash characters as mains
I want timestampssssssssssss 😭
I just wanna know why Knee put Devil Jin on trash tier. If he could take some time to explain it I would really appreciate it.
i just wanna say it’s pro play tier list, in casual play he’s still good i’d say but that can be said about every character tbh
i want to say the u/f+4 nerf is what turned many players away from DVJ. Don't play him myself but thats what sticks out the more from the Season 5 changes
What i've seen from playing him its he has low/avarage damage combo, quite bad mids, his cancel transitions can be interrupted, u/f 4 gives nothing, too much telegraphed moveset (like strings as d4 3, ff3 2 4, d/f 3 2 4), bad magic4
And then he has some stupid moves like u4 or the short imblok
My guess would be how hard he is to play well, especially when compared to other high tier characters who practically pilot themselves. DJ is still insane on paper.
With uf+4 nerf Devil Jin doesn´t have a scary mixup anymore. You can just duck against him at mid range and he won't have much tools to deal with it.
Video covering the tier list can't see it
Excuse me for not knowing this but why are they making extra tiers for ps4 and pc? Are there actual differences between the two?
Yeah input delay and general game feel
Can I ask why PC and Console are different Character tier? Just curious.
console is used in tournaments and has more input delay compared to pc
@@patches3I didn't know that Ps4 version has input delay. Thanks for the information. Cheers.
@@keidz03ps4 has 1/2 frame delay and pc dosent have any delay that's the thing I can share the video explaining the same so it becomes easier to put frame perfect commands on pc as per my experience myself
As a Lars main, I feel sad
Anna top 15? Isn’t she like the most unsafe character on the entire roster?
console to pc difference? i dont get it
Why is peeshee and Pee-S-fo different?
Why are PS4 and PC different?
Cany anyone explain what are difference between ps4 tekken and pc tekken?
Tekken 7 on consoles has significantly more native input lag. This makes reactive play much harder - the risk of eating a strong mid while moving/fuzzying is increased while mixups are harder to block if you choose to stay still and avoid being clipped. Characters like Katarina are ideal for this environment because she has tons of fast and safe big hitbox buttons which constantly force reactions out of the opponent on hit and on block. Katarina and Claudio are still strong but high level players would be able to block, move and punish them bit more accurately on PC.
I wasnt playing for 2 years
What happened to devil jin????😮
Doesn’t have a mid anymore :(
So trash easily bottom 5 unfortunately
I'm new to this. Why is there a difference between tiers based on platforms?
Ps4 has more input lag than pc (I don't remember how much exactly), making some moves that you could more or less consistently react to in PC unreactable on ps4. And also when it comes to precise movement and the likes, because of the input lag ps4 basically makes it wayyyy harder and many times even downright impractical. Yes it's fucked up, blame bamco.
@@Atamachikaku oh yeah, its weird. Thanks for the explanation though!
Ps4 has 1/2 frame input delay
Can you please explain why devil jin is trash tier?
my main goes hard fr fr
Knee pog
So is it better to play on pc or console
pc because there's no input delay. if you play on console, you're also playing against people with the same input delay as you though.
also PC because PC players tend to use ethernet cable as opposed to wi-fi
JIM KAZAMER N#1 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
Yet the clowns on the Tekken subreddit still think Devil Jin is SS++
Name and shame all akuma and geese players and ban them from this game right now.
Bro you were really crying 😂
What does one monitor mean ?
playing the game side by side on one monitor
Why Devil J Trash lol ? and How dragunov went from top 5 Season 1 to trash ?
Power creep and nerfs
katarina top 5? what ? no one plays her and especially not in tournaments?
Arslan won twt with her. Kuni and cat are S stricly because of arslan ash. Not shocking right?
s tier because of a player is the dumbest reason ever. that is not what a tier list means. if one wins all tournaments with yoshi, and only him, that does not mean he is s tier@@noblejustice19
Putting DVJ in trash is crazy
Devil jin have more tools than kazuya but lacking damage not worth taking risks anymore
its a bit confusing how to view this tierlist because of sections that dont say "top x," it'd be nice if you were able to place a single character several times so we could see where they would be at on non pc / ps4
great video otherwise
Great respect for great player but seeing some top tiers like devil jin and kazuya in bottom hurts me
Jin is top tier but kazuya and devil jin almost trash
Why did that guy sit in your chair?